Anti-fascist protective rampart built

[Platapus]

Well at least that's what the East German's called it (antifaschistischer Schutzwall)

Most of us called it the Berlin Wall and it went up on 13 Aug 61. 52 years ago today.

OK, not so much a wall, but a barricade. The "wall" did not go up until later. :yep:

[Schroeder]

They needed the wall to protect them from mass immigration of the subjugated, enslaved and exploited people of West Germany who all wanted to enter the workers and farmers paradise...not.:-?

[Skybird]

We have young people finishing school now who spend all days of their lives so far without the wall.

And some especially promising and potential geniuses amongst them did not even learn what it was.

[Penguin]

A little know fact is that the wall protected us in the West - from the terrible things which grew on the other side:

http://abload.de/img/titanic_cover0807xhp5f.jpg

(Discussion about GDR border security - no shooting order is also no solution)

[Skybird]

^ :har:

My God where did you dig this one out? Titanic? By style, it could be that.

[the_tyrant]

You know, when I was in berlin on vacation, every damned gift shop tried to sell me a piece of the berlin wall.

Now the thing has turned into a giant tourist attraction

[Schroeder]

And some especially promising and potential geniuses amongst them did not even learn what it was.
Yep, German post war history obviously doesn't exist in modern schools...I hardly know anyone who knows what the Berlin airlift was.:/\\!!

[Herr-Berbunch]

I hardly know anyone who knows what the Berlin airlift was.:/\\!!

Tsk, you Germans and your technological progress in building elevators. :03:

[CaptainHaplo]

A little know fact is that the wall protected us in the West - from the terrible things which grew on the other side:

http://abload.de/img/titanic_cover0807xhp5f.jpg

(Discussion about GDR border security - no shooting order is also no solution)

I dunno - that chick in the back is pretty hot. :har:
(Uhm - that is a chick, right?) :arrgh!:

[Schroeder]

I dunno - that chick in the back is pretty hot. :har:
(Uhm - that is a chick, right?) :arrgh!:
No, he isn't.:dead:
(we need a throw up smiley...)

[Jimbuna]

No, he isn't.:dead:
(we need a throw up smiley...)

http://imgcash1.imageshack.us/img144/4458/spewingao3.gif

[Schroeder]

:salute:

[Simmy]

The Berlin Wall was a good thing.
It kept us from them.:D
Whoever them was.:haha:

[Skybird]

You might be surprised, but many former Westberliners of my age and older think that the city was more pleasant and better off during the cold war, than it is now. It is hard to explain and probably even harder to understand for foreigners, but it was a closed, protected habitat, with a clear border line for when you were "in" and when you were "out". When you were in, life was good and the mood of general life was "gemütlich". Compared to the 80s which I lived from autumn 79 to autumn 89 in WB, I think life in Berlin now being much worse, and the Western part of the city by looks and state definitely has lost, I thought of it all looking so shabby when I was there the last time. Even when ignoring higher crime and worse public traffic, social problems and bad financial situation, worsening school situation and a general left-leaning, prolet-like trend in the city, the mood and character in W-Berlin in the 80s was much better than it was the last times I was there, which is some time ago now. Have no intetion to ever go back there again. My friends who lived there, all have left the city. More precisely: they fled. And that is their word, not mine.

And from a personal view, since my father was classical musician, both the two major orchestras of the city were of much better quality back then (world format, both the philharmonic and symphonic orchestra) than they are today. Today they are good - not more. Which means, by global elite standards they are mediocre. A shame. Actually, there have been even more orchestras back then, not just these two big players.

[Stealhead]

Hans Conrad Schumann
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q527/datsun260zyojimbo/hans-conrad-schumanns-leap-for-freedom1_zps0e27f874.jpg~original (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/datsun260zyojimbo/media/hans-conrad-schumanns-leap-for-freedom1_zps0e27f874.jpg.html)



Watch how he cleverly drops the SMG as he hopes over.This was in 1961.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYtbBBBHtd0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMV7phB_4nA)

[Sailor Steve]

You might be surprised, but many former Westberliners of my age and older think that the city was more pleasant and better off during the cold war, than it is now.
I'm not surprised at all. An unquestionable authority can get things done and make them run smoother. After all, Mussolini made the trains run on time.

[Skybird]

I'm not surprised at all. An unquestionable authority can get things done and make them run smoother. After all, Mussolini made the trains run on time.
That was not what it was about in W-Berlin. Thew four Allied Powers left the mayor and politicians pretty much dop what they want, except some laws in place that do not support your implication. Knifes of a certain length with fixed blades were prohibited, and the Bundeswehr was not allowed to draw in W-Berlin. Minor things like that that in normal life played no role.

As I said, for foerigners it must be difficult to understand. It compares to Feng Shui's turtle effect: always sit with a wall in your back. Security-wise it plays no role when you sit in a restaurant with or without a wall in your back. But 9 out of 10 people feel better, more "gemütlich" if they have a wall in their back (a psycho-empirical fact, btw). I too do not like to sit in a room in the middle with my back in the open, no pillar, no wall, no podium there.

It was the living style, the way of life, the overall feeling when being in W-Berlin. You were inside the castle. Inside it was cozy, and compact. You were "safe". And life was good.

Many national and international artists who lived there at that time btw also say that.

When you were a boy, were there never that situation when for fun you ran to a barn or a house over an open place, and although you were not in danger at all, somehow it felt so good, so relieved if the gate or door fell behind you, and you were inside? I cannot imagine that people can go through life without ever having had that kind of feeling.

It probably also was kind of a relief after the boring transit through the GDR on marked and closely guarded roads, the transit through Soviet garrison towns, the depressing sights, and the often chicanerous (?) final paper control at the last GDR border checkpoint (although sometimes the guards there were correct and polite, but in the majority of cases they tried to show those Westerners who was in command: by working slow, looking long and deep into your eyes, complaining about nothing, and so on.