View Full Version : How far back can you trace your family?
Armistead
08-11-13, 09:29 PM
How far back?
If they came to America, when?
Wars fought?
Anything else you want to share, famous people, things they did...
Sailor Steve
08-11-13, 09:55 PM
I haven't bothered to go across the ocean to England, but here, if you can stand it, is my direct lineage to that time. I'll leave out all the brothers and sisters and just stick to the direct ancestors. Well, I have to leave in one or two brothers, just because of their military service.
James Bradfield: (No birth date listed), South Wales, Great Britain. Listed as living on the Rappahannock River near Fredericksburg, Virginia in 1785, and in Loudon County, Virginia, in 1787
Elizabeth Lorentz: 1765, Wales
Married around 1785 - 2 sons
Lewis B. Bradfield: 1786, Dumfries, Prince William County, Virginia – 1870, Uniontown Alabama. His younger brother John served in the War of 1812.
Mary C. “Polly” Farrar: December 20, 1788, Rockingham County, North Carolina – 1855, LaGrange, Georgia
Married November 24, 1807 - 6 sons, 3 daughters. The youngest son served in the Confederate army.
William Bradfield: April 15, 1813 – November 7, 1893, Madison, North Carolina
Ann Elizabeth Talley: July 4, 1822, Green County, Georgia – November 7, 1893, Madison, North Carolina - 1 daughter, 6 sons
James Olin Bradfield: December 2, 1843, Troup County, Georgia – March 7, 1932, Austin, Texas
Served in Company E, 1st Texas Regiment, Hood’s Brigade, Longstreet’s Corps, Army of Northern Virginia. His younger brother, John Anderson Bradfield, served in Company F, 4th Texas, Hood's Brigade.
Louisa A. Estes: I have no other information on her, or when they were married - 2 sons
Robert Olin Bradfield: October 24, 1889 – July 1, 1965, Dallas, Texas
Blandena Frances Safronia Keller: July 28, 1895, Dallas, Texas – May 22, 1973, Dallas, Texas
Married January 1914 - 7 sons, 3 daughters
Donald Edward Bradfield: December 11, 1927, Dallas, Texas – July 19, 2012, Redondo Beach, California
US Navy, 1947-1949. He had two older brothers who were at Pearl Harbor, and several more served in the war, but I have no details.
Doris Gwendolyn Sutton: December 12, 1927
Married 1949, Divorced 1958 - 1 son - me :D
Barbara Daily: November 23, 1939
Married August 1, 1961 - 1 daughter, 1 son
Now aren't you sorry you asked?
Red October1984
08-11-13, 10:09 PM
I know my grandma has published books on the lineage of that side of the family.
Back to the Mayflower I think. :hmmm: I know I've got family from England and Ireland on that side.
On the other side, it's Italian and German. :)
Having an Italian family is awesome...The food alone is good.... :o :o
I think I'll start up an Ancestry.com account and do the free trial and see what shows up. Thing is, my name is so common it'll be hard.
Armistead
08-11-13, 10:42 PM
Lewis B. Bradfield: 1786, Dumfries, Prince William County, Virginia – 1870, Uniontown Alabama. His younger brother John served in the War of 1812.
Mary C. “Polly” Farrar: December 20, 1788, Rockingham County, North Carolina – 1855, LaGrange, Georgia
Married November 24, 1807 - 6 sons, 3 daughters. The youngest son served in the Confederate army.
Now aren't you sorry you asked?
You might be related to my wife by marriage...Steve, we're family:haha::haha::o
Several Farrah family members still around here from Polly. I got married in the Wentworth Courthouse. I bet they went drinking in the old tavern across the street from it..
Armistead
08-11-13, 11:18 PM
The earliest I can trace my family is to 1561.
Coming to America
Philip Wolf 1760's, settled on land in NC/SC border granted him by King George III. Fought and wounded in battle of King's Mountain. His brothers son was George Wolf, Governor of Pa around 1830's.
Henry Wolf
Sampson Wolfe Large Planter, about 5000 acres
Martin Wolfe Capt. 22NC Company E. CSA {Survived Pickett's Charge}
and so on down to me.
Cybermat47
08-11-13, 11:30 PM
Survived Pickett's Charge
:o
I still remember the chilling line from Gettysburg:
"General Lee... I have no division."
Armistead
08-11-13, 11:39 PM
:o
I still remember the chilling line from Gettysburg:
"General Lee... I have no division."
The 22nd had a wonderful history. They have the honor of being the farthest to the front during Pickett's charge. He kept a detailed CW journal that we have, along with his sword, uniform and pistol. He was wounded twice, but returned to service. His worse injury being a sabre slash to the achilles.
Red October1984
08-12-13, 12:08 AM
The 22nd had a wonderful history. They have the honor of being the farthest to the front during Pickett's charge. He kept a detailed CW journal that we have, along with his sword, uniform and pistol. He was wounded twice, but returned to service. His worse injury being a sabre slash to the achilles.
Got to respect guys like that. The ones who get injured and keep going.
Gargamel
08-12-13, 01:31 AM
To the Mayflower, John Alden I believe. Probably could keep going from there.
Red October1984
08-12-13, 02:01 AM
To the Mayflower, John Alden I believe. Probably could keep going from there.
I know I've got family back on the Mayflower...I just don't know names. :hmmm:
I do intend, at some point to dig deeper into the further reaches of my familys history, I've got pretty concrete routes to about four generations back and then it gets a bit hazy. My grandfather on my mothers side apparently did do some research a while ago but how accurate it was is debatable.
I know that I have links to Lithuania through my fathers mothers side of the family, and we're pretty sure that on my mothers side there's links to Hungary. There's also suspected Norse involvement somewhere down the line, but given how much of the UK they visited I think that comes as little surprise.
It's also suspected that somewhere along the line we had someone who fought in Crimea as a part of the Light Brigade, and yes, they were at Balaclava, and were one of the survivors of that infamous charge.
There's also reports that our family was once quite rich but the fortune was lost during card games, but again it's not known how much of this is true.
Wolferz
08-12-13, 06:41 AM
My family tree has been traced back to the 1800's and the trail ends there due to a courthouse somewhere in Pennsylvania burning down and all the records along with it. I guess someone wanted to erase their past.
My ancestors were some of the first through the Cumberland gap when the west was young. Or so I've been told.
I have been told that Davy Crockett is a distant cousin. My father served during WWII and an uncle on my mothers side served in Korea. I served during the Gulf war. I'm sure I had other family that served in other wars.
My surname (Newhouse) isn't a right common one. I just wish I could trace it back a little further to find out if it is English or converted from the German (Neuhaus). My maternal grandfather was a Bolton, so, he was definitely of Irish descent. There is a castle in Germany that bears the name Neuhaus Schloss. Not sure if it's any relation.
Jimbuna
08-12-13, 08:47 AM
Never really looked so can only say three generations :oops:
Sailor Steve
08-12-13, 10:15 AM
My surname (Newhouse) isn't a right common one. I just wish I could trace it back a little further to find out if it is English or converted from the German (Neuhaus).
I'm told that "Bradfield" goes all the way back to the Saxon invasion of England in the 400s, and was originally "Brodfeld". I haven't done the research myself, so it's just hearsay at this point. Someday I'm going to buckle down and give money to Ancestry.com and do some serious looking. I know nothing of my mother's family past her mother, and I've promised my daughters that I'd look into their mother's antecedents.
But not today. :oops:
Oh, and thank you for stepping up and giving your family name. I respect people who are willing to come out from behind the internet wall and show themselves. Same goes to Armistead and several others here. :sunny:
Betonov
08-12-13, 10:23 AM
Never really looked so can only say three generations :oops:
Same for me :oops:
Some talk about one branch coming from Russia in the 19th century and the red-ish beards the males from my mothers side tend to have tells me something about a celtic heritage. Thats about it. Farmers, the lot of them :O:
Sailor Steve
08-12-13, 10:39 AM
To the Mayflower, John Alden I believe. Probably could keep going from there.
I know I've got family back on the Mayflower...I just don't know names. :hmmm:
If you don't know the names then you don't know it goes back to the Mayflower. You only know what you can show. Get off yer lazy butts and do some research! :O:
Herr-Berbunch
08-12-13, 10:53 AM
Oh, and thank you for stepping up and giving your family name. I respect people who are willing to come out from behind the internet wall and show themselves.
I think my relatives fought the Campbells at some point. Proper clan wars. :03:
My late uncle apparently did a lot of research into our family before his death, I've never asked about it directly (like my Grandad's history as a submariner!) but really should. And soon, for you never know when tomorrow will be too late.
WernherVonTrapp
08-12-13, 11:01 AM
My family came to the US sometime around the Irish potato famine period. My family (clans) hail from the counties of Cork and Munster in southern Ireland (yeah, we were southerners too). Great grandparents have served in the GAR during the US Civil War (we have the honorable discharge papers), the Spanish American War, WWI and WWII.
Aktungbby
08-12-13, 11:37 AM
The 22nd had a wonderful history. They have the honor of being the farthest to the front during Pickett's charge. He kept a detailed CW journal that we have, along with his sword, uniform and pistol. He was wounded twice, but returned to service. His worse injury being a sabre slash to the achilles.
Well there IT IS.! You don't need to fly any reb flag at all; Just put out the sword with your hat on it in honor of your avatar namesake Gen. Armistead. A small stone wall would be a nice touch too. My forbears were at Hastings (1066 and an allday brawl) with Willy the Bastard of Normandy himself. To get rid of his own thugs and exert control over his new holdings, William dispersed his own treacherous knights with land grants and swiftly built the Tower of London. My forbear, a Flemish squire, was granted the Saxon Bishopric of Witney near present day Surrey; yup, its in the Domesday book Sailor Steve, The family retained the name Witney and eventually arrived in Canada. My sister still has the middle name Whitney.:arrgh!:
Armistead
08-12-13, 11:39 AM
I'm told that "Bradfield" goes all the way back to the Saxon invasion of England in the 400s, and was originally "Brodfeld". I haven't done the research myself, so it's just hearsay at this point. Someday I'm going to buckle down and give money to Ancestry.com and do some serious looking. I know nothing of my mother's family past her mother, and I've promised my daughters that I'd look into their mother's antecedents.
But not today. :oops:
Oh, and thank you for stepping up and giving your family name. I respect people who are willing to come out from behind the internet wall and show themselves. Same goes to Armistead and several others here. :sunny:
My wifes aunt married a Farrah of the Polly line.
My wife and I spend all day exploring her ancestors land. She hadn't been in 25 years and boy did we get lost. The maps were crap and no phone signal. We road around dirt roads for a few hours. We finally saw an old black man farming and he gave us directions " go down and turn by the big cedar tree, bout fo miles. Anyway,we found it. We were looking for the original 1700's cabin, lucky a distant relative was mowing. He purchased it and had it restored as historical as possible.
We had never met this man, just had some family relations. He said "go on up and look, I leave the door open so anyone can go in." He was old and full of stories. He reminded me of "Big Fish" in that movie. He told us to come spend the night anytime, that he kept plenty food and drinks in the barn. He says he's never spent a night in it. The family had let it go, he had money, so he purchased it from another family member and restored it. Sadly, when he had someone bulldoze a grown over field of brush, they pushed the oldest graveyard in a gully, but he restored it the best he could.
soopaman2
08-12-13, 11:48 AM
As far back as I have ascertained from great grandparents as a child.
My family came from Sicily to New York City post ww1. (1919-1921)
Before that is hard to find out, as my family last name was changed by the ignorant, unable or unwilling to spell or even care, rednecks at Ellis Island.
My last name was reduced to the region my great grandparents came from. If anyone ever seen the Godfather, it was a similar situation to him being named Corleone, rather than Andolini.
So my past beyond arrival in America is foggy.
AVGWarhawk
08-12-13, 11:52 AM
I will have to take a look at my family tree but I believe I can trace back to the 1600 hundreds. Perhaps earlier. We hailed from Germany.
Armistead
08-12-13, 11:56 AM
One mistake people make in researching is ignoring the genealogy forums and services from whatever nation your family stems from. I joined one in Germany, but couldn't read German, but finally got help. In doing so was able to go back to the 1500's.
Wolferz
08-12-13, 11:57 AM
That's the problem for many of us American mutts. The records of our forbears were either burned, bulldozed or just plain lost in the sands of time.:-?
Clean Sweep
08-12-13, 12:00 PM
I don't have a really "exciting" family history, as we came over in the late 1800s.
My maternal grandfather's grandmother came from Ireland.
My maternal grandmother's grandparents from Spain.
My paternal grandfather's grandparents from Germany.
My paternal grandmother's grandparents from France.
So that would make me fourth or fifth generation American?
All we do know is that on my paternal grandfather's side were nobles back during the German Empire days, and then eventually were members of the Waffen SS during WWII (thankfully we have no affiliation to them).
Other than that we were poor Irish farmers, Spanish pilgrims, and apparently once they came to America, doinked a few Native Americans and so there's Tunica Biloxi tribe in my heritage somewhere. :haha:
Aktungbby
08-12-13, 12:19 PM
That's the problem for many of us American mutts. The records of our forbears were either burned, bulldozed or just plain lost in the sands of time.:-?
Probably because so many fled here with little time for paperwork! Of the three lines I've traced, no one came willingly. My great grand mother left the 'Ozarks' of Bavaria at the turn of the century and knew when to do so. Married in the temple in Brooklyn, she lost track of the rest of the Koenigs back in the fatherland-disappeared as of 1945. History is often written by the timely bugger-outers not just the winners. :arrgh!:
soopaman2
08-12-13, 12:42 PM
Probably because so many fled here with little time for paperwork! Of the three lines I've traced, no one came willingly. My great grand mother left the 'Ozarks' of Bavaria at the turn of the century and knew when to do so. Married in the temple in Brooklyn, she lost track of the rest of the Koenigs back in the fatherland-disappeared as of 1945. History is often written by the timely bugger-outers not just the winners. :arrgh!:
Alot of people fled here out of desperation and were more than happy to leave Europe behind, they never thought their past as important, only their future.
My family arrived under duress.
The term WOP for italians applied to my family, it means "without papers"
No bull. Alot of Irish arrived the same way, and were equally as despised, must be why we get along so well here in the states to this day,.:rock:
My last name was changed. They accepted it out of gratitude. A new name a new start. That was a mere 90 years ago.. I always found that amazing.
I ould love to be able to go back further, but Ellis Island was not too stringent on record keeping.
Armistead
08-12-13, 02:07 PM
Here's a few pics I took this weekend. After driving for a few hours up and down numerous dirt roads we found the 1800's grave site. About 8 years ago they sort of cleaned it out, removed 40 trees. The actual site goes deeper in the wood. Most the larger ones are marked with family names, but about 50-75 simple rock headstones, most belonging to slaves.
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/Armistead1424002/IMG_0905_zps2f8908ba.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/Armistead1424002/IMG_0899_zpsae713575.jpg
A few slave headstones
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/Armistead1424002/IMG_0903_zps4843c644.jpg
They're actually 3 family cemeteries on the total propery, one from the 1700's at the original cabin, the larger near the plantation{above pictures} and one from the early 1900's.
Aktungbby
08-12-13, 02:23 PM
Here's a few pics I took this weekend. After driving for a few hours up and down numerous dirt roads we found the 1800's grave site. About 8 years ago they sort of cleaned it out, removed 40 trees. The actual site goes deeper in the wood. Most the larger ones are marked with family names, but about 50-75 simple rock headstones, most belonging to slaves.
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/Armistead1424002/IMG_0905_zps2f8908ba.jpg
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/Armistead1424002/IMG_0899_zpsae713575.jpg
A few slave headstones
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/Armistead1424002/IMG_0903_zps4843c644.jpg
They're actually 3 family cemeteries on the total propery, one from the 1700's at the original cabin, the larger near the plantation{above pictures} and one from the early 1900's.
Good stuff. Did your forbear shoot at that wicked but inventive Scot, Maj. Ferguson, killed at King's Mtn.? I own a Ferguson rifle and Zane Gray wrote a book of the same title. Prefer my two-band Enfield and Colt Navy though. Perhaps I could march my 14 Tenn. brigade on that road... unpaved is easier on the feet than McAdamized especially on one of our too-real 20 milers with packs in the heat. We'd only hep o'selfs to a few ears o' corn!:arrgh!:
Sailor Steve
08-12-13, 02:31 PM
Good stuff.
Not to be mean, but there's really no reason to repost all the pictures, or any of them, when they're on the same page. Cutting the pictures and just leaving relevant words works just as well, and takes up a lot less space. :sunny:
Aktungbby
08-12-13, 02:36 PM
I think my relatives fought the Campbells at some point. Proper clan wars. :03:
My late uncle apparently did a lot of research into our family before his death, I've never asked about it directly (like my Grandad's history as a submariner!) but really should. And soon, for you never know when tomorrow will be too late.
Everybody, including the Kincaids (my mom's side) and the Macleans of Mull (my wifes side) fought the Campbells at some point. From which we get the big hit 'The Campbells are coming Hurrah, Hurrah' Thank God for a claymore and a wool skirt with the sporran in front for added protection! In checking out the proper wool tartan for the Kincaid thing however, I found out that I' only come from a 'Sub' clan. So it all fits: in my oilskin kilt in my VIIB off Glasgow...:arrgh!:
Aktungbby
08-12-13, 02:45 PM
Not to be mean, but there's really no reason to repost all the pictures, or any of them, when they're on the same page. Cutting the pictures and just leaving relevant words works just as well, and takes up a lot less space. :sunny:
Sorry, I've done that before and don't know how that occurs. I'll be more careful and only answer written rather than photo blogs.:arrgh!:
Mr Quatro
08-12-13, 02:48 PM
Here's a few pics I took this weekend. After driving for a few hours up and down numerous dirt roads we found the 1800's grave site. About 8 years ago they sort of cleaned it out, removed 40 trees. The actual site goes deeper in the wood. Most the larger ones are marked with family names, but about 50-75 simple rock headstones, most belonging to slaves.
If you suddenly have any personality changes, such as a strong desire for drugs or alcohol, then you'll know why you should stay away
from old grave yards. :D
but seriously I was visiting South Carolina one time and I could not believe my eyes when I saw a church surrounded by a grave yard.
You could not get into that church without passing through the graves of what I suppose they refer to as saints. I just call them ghost.
Yes they are very real and they are always looking for a new unsuspecting soul to enter into.
A cross dipped in garlic wouldn't hurt, because they hate to smell like garlic it gives their presence away. :o
I stopped looking for my ancestors when I found out they were just a bunch of bank robbers.
Plus the only reason to look is to see if someone owes you money ...
Jimbuna
08-12-13, 02:53 PM
Here's a few pics I took this weekend. After driving for a few hours up and down numerous dirt roads we found the 1800's grave site. About 8 years ago they sort of cleaned it out, removed 40 trees. The actual site goes deeper in the wood. Most the larger ones are marked with family names, but about 50-75 simple rock headstones, most belonging to slaves.
A few slave headstones
They're actually 3 family cemeteries on the total propery, one from the 1700's at the original cabin, the larger near the plantation{above pictures} and one from the early 1900's.
Some very interesting history there :cool:
Armistead
08-12-13, 03:18 PM
Some very interesting history there :cool:
Sometimes it can be funny studying history. I never knew my wife existed until I met her, no relations or idea of her family. However, her family on her mothers side settled near my family. They married each other a lot.
Years after we got married and really got into the history, we laughed we might be distant cousins or something.
Anyway, it is funny in their old plantation grave sites and ours, you can find both names...
But I think we're OK......:yeah:
All the family concerns tend to come from my mothers side. She was a Presley from the same linage of Elvis, but far removed. My great great grandfather on her side, about all we know was comes from a family bible, his date of death {hung by Union} My grandmother lived to 100, she said he rode with Mosby's Rangers (Mosby's Raiders if you're a Yank}
Armistead
08-12-13, 03:53 PM
Good stuff. Did your forbear shoot at that wicked but inventive Scot, Maj. Ferguson, killed at King's Mtn.? I own a Ferguson rifle and Zane Gray wrote a book of the same title. Prefer my two-band Enfield and Colt Navy though. Perhaps I could march my 14 Tenn. brigade on that road... unpaved is easier on the feet than McAdamized especially on one of our too-real 20 milers with packs in the heat. We'd only hep o'selfs to a few ears o' corn!:arrgh!:
Ole P certainly killed several Redcoats before he took a bayonet in lower back. As you know, we gave no quarter for a long time. After my grandfather died, some distance relative got his tomahawk he carried in the war.
http://image2.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2012/198/93776607_134258135744.jpg (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=69326635&PIpi=63715472)
I take it you reenact? I was a serious CW reenactor from 80's to about 98. I actually got to be a part of the movie Gettysburg. My CW relative walked across that field during Pickett's charge. It was exciting to do the same thing.
Red October1984
08-12-13, 05:35 PM
If you don't know the names then you don't know it goes back to the Mayflower. You only know what you can show. Get off yer lazy butts and do some research! :O:
I remember my grandma telling me about it....but I'm too lazy to do research on that.
I'll take her word for it since she's published books about the origins of our family. :88)
Wolferz
08-12-13, 06:29 PM
Now we knows whut's wrong with yer dog, Martin.:03::O:
u crank
08-12-13, 06:46 PM
This is a very cool thread.
I know little of my moms' family history other she came from the Sudbury area in northern Ontario.
On my dads' side I got lucky. One of my cousins did all the work. He contacted me to find out some info about my kids and wife and told me about his research.
My great, great, great, great grandfather, Jean Pineau was from St.Thual, Bretagne, France. He arrived in Rustico, Prince Edward Island, Canada around 1750. His family some how survived The Expulsion (1755–1764) and that's why I'm here today. Although this island is mostly English/Irish/Scots, P.E.I. has a thriving Acadian culture that is closely related to the Cajun culture in Louisiana. Good food, good music and lots of fun. The lines in my sig are from a song by a local Acadian singer/songwriter, Lennie Gallant. He's from Rustico and more than likely a distant cousin. I can't speak the language nor can my kids but the cool thing is my grandson, who bears the family name will be bilingual. He takes a French immersion school course.
@ Armistead.
My wife has a niece whose partner is a hard core metal detector/treasure hunter. He dives wrecks etc. He has found US Civil War stuff here on Prince Edward Island. Buttons from uniforms, etc. My guess is they were mostly Union.:O: Of course at that time this was a British colony.
Recently read The American Civil War: A Military History by John Keegan. A fascinating subject.
Again, great thread.:up:
Stealhead
08-12-13, 07:00 PM
There are a few companies that offer DNA tests where they actually map out your DNA makeup and they will tell you how your ethnic make up breaks down and where you originated from so to speak.They run a couple hundred dollars though but worth I reckon to know what you are really made of.
There is a show on PBS where they take a person of fame and research thier history at the end of the show they show the results of the DNA test which is interesting because it of course goes back much further than written data can.TLC has a rip off show doing the same thing.
The show is called "Finding Your Roots" very interesting on one they talked to a few black men who of course like many black Americans the family history is hard to trace.The DNA tests where interesting some had been told they had native blood in fact they had none another had relatives a few generations back that where white on one side of the family he had no idea of this.
In another show Martha Stewart found out there her distant ancestors originated in Syria of courses that is so far back there is no way to know more beyond that basic information.
The DNA test is able to traces your haplogroups.It is an interesting idea of course you would still have to research your history to know who was who and that is the tricky part what is true and what is not.
Aktungbby
08-12-13, 08:01 PM
Ole P certainly killed several Redcoats before he took a bayonet in lower back. As you know, we gave no quarter for a long time. After my grandfather died, some distance relative got his tomahawk he carried in the war.
http://image2.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2012/198/93776607_134258135744.jpg (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=69326635&PIpi=63715472)
I take it you reenact? I was a serious CW reenactor from 80's to about 98. I actually got to be a part of the movie Gettysburg. My CW relative walked across that field during Pickett's charge. It was exciting to do the same thing.
Yup, did it till the politics and squabbling drove me out like Achilles sulking in his tent! Don't worry about the consanguinity of the cousin thing. Cousin marriages are actually the norm the world over and along the Amazon and do quite well as ...well they're family-gotta be nice. If you haven't got Huntington's Choraea (Woodie Guthrie) Hemophilia (Victoria and her intermarrying grandkids) or aren't winning any dueling banjo contests (Deliverance) -all good!. Is yer easily insulted dog a Bluetick or a Redbone?:arrgh!:
AVGWarhawk
08-12-13, 08:18 PM
Took a few pictures of my family tree. Mother's side. We hail from Germany. Mother's maiden name of Schultheis. My father's last name of Gossweiler(Barvian)
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/IMAG0617_zpseaadc6cd.jpg
As far back as 1654:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/IMAG0618_zps2f326e17.jpg
Up to 1901. From here I believe I have the remaining tree in my great grandmother's Bible. It is in my breakfront under glass. Much family history in this Bible. Charles John is my grandfather.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/IMAG0622_zps4fa9c6e3.jpg
This is the entire tree professionally framed.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/avgwarhawk/IMAG0620_zpsa11b3ca7.jpg
I have naturalization papers, marriage certificates, etc all professionally framed. My mother did an excellent job of preserving our family history.
Feld Grau
08-12-13, 08:31 PM
My fathers side hails from East Prussia,in a tiny town just outside of Konigsberg. Great-Great Grandfather Rudolph Pruss came to the states about 15 years before WW1. Max Pruss,the captain of the Hindenburg is a distant relative. Not sure about anything past old Rudolph though.
And on my mothers side,we come from South Carolina and Georgia. Had a relative that fought in a Georgian Marksman unit during the Civil War,found the grave and the papers and everything. We used to actually own a plantation and were the founders of Brunson South Carolina. Where the family fortune went is a mystery,but we reckon that GrandDad has it buried in his backyard:D
Still,its fun to say you have an interesting family history! Quite interesting to see how everyone has something unique to their family.
Aktungbby
08-12-13, 08:49 PM
My fathers side hails from East Prussia,in a tiny town just outside of Konigsberg. Great-Great Grandfather Rudolph Pruss came to the states about 15 years before WW1. Max Pruss,the captain of the Hindenburg is a distant relative. Not sure about anything past old Rudolph though.
And on my mothers side,we come from South Carolina and Georgia. Had a relative that fought in a Georgian Marksman unit during the Civil War,found the grave and the papers and everything. We used to actually own a plantation and were the founders of Brunson South Carolina. Where the family fortune went is a mystery,but we reckon that GrandDad has it buried in his backyard:D
Still,its fun to say you have an interesting family history! Quite interesting to see how everyone has something unique to their family.
There's a little Junker in every family tree...vel gluck VON Pruss:arrgh!:
Armistead
08-12-13, 08:53 PM
Yup, did it till the politics and squabbling drove me out like Achilles sulking in his tent! Don't worry about the consanguinity of the cousin thing. Cousin marriages are actually the norm the world over and along the Amazon and do quite well as ...well they're family-gotta be nice. If you haven't got Huntington's Choraea (Woodie Guthrie) Hemophilia (Victoria and her intermarrying grandkids) or aren't winning any dueling banjo contests (Deliverance) -all good!. Is yer easily insulted dog a Bluetick or a Redbone?:arrgh!:
Well,my wife and I are not blood related in any way, just some other early family from both sides married. We do know of two cases of 2nd cousins that married. My wife was a Winston Cup Girl when racing was real and plays a little banjer. I'm left handed.
Course inner family marriage was common with the rich planters to keep the land in the family. We don't have any of the land, so I feel confident that we're not related.
Wolferz is just jealous of my dog, because my dog is better looking than he is.
WernherVonTrapp
08-12-13, 09:08 PM
Don't know too much about my mother's side, regrettably. The best I can recall, she is of Dutch (mostly) and German descent. If I remember correctly, her father was Dutch and her mother was Dutch & German.:hmmm:
Wolferz
08-12-13, 10:24 PM
Wolferz is just jealous of my dog, because my dog is better looking than he is.
That he is.:up: And he's a much better butt sniffer, leg humper and sock ripper too.:03:
Bear gets props.
Gargamel
08-13-13, 07:05 AM
If you don't know the names then you don't know it goes back to the Mayflower. You only know what you can show. Get off yer lazy butts and do some research! :O:
Actually, I have. About 25 years ago my mother and I did the research, chronicling the entire family tree back to the early 1600's. At the time, the internet was practically non-existent, so getting records from England at the time was nigh impossible, so we stopped there.
We did end up with a 300 page tome with a direct lineage back to the Mayflower. Included were various scrapbook items, news articles, photo/lithographs of family.
The part of the name I wasn't sure on, as I haven't read the book in 15-20 years, was the exact spelling.
I challenge you to now get off your lazy but and Show me your last 400 years of lineage.
And yes, I know you were joking... but damn that was a lot of work.
AVGWarhawk
08-13-13, 08:37 AM
My family's business over the centuries has been rose growers. When we arrived in NY my family set up a mile of greenhouses for growing roses. They employed Asians to work the greenhouses. One day a large box kite was constructed by one of the workers. The kite was large enough to fly a worker and they did. Unfortunate he fell out of the kite and crashed through a greenhouse window. He was ok after the incident.
At any rate, my great grandfather created a hybrid rose knows as the Schultheis Rose. Here is a picture and description.
http://www.vintagegardens.com/roses.aspx?cat_id=20
http://www.vintagegardens.com/classhabits/habit_roses/pres_dut.jpg
Herr-Berbunch
08-13-13, 08:58 AM
My family came to the US sometime around the Irish potato famine period. My family (clans) hail from the counties of Cork and Munster in southern Ireland (yeah, we were southerners too).
My mum's from Cork. I know that much! Go me. I really should ask more questions!
Jimbuna
08-13-13, 09:17 AM
@AVG
That my friend is a priceless wealth of information...I so envy you :salute:
AVGWarhawk
08-13-13, 09:25 AM
@AVG
That my friend is a priceless wealth of information...I so envy you :salute:
Oh heck, I have more. I still have family(distant cousins) in Germany. Still growing roses and run flower shops. My grandfather a Mason. I have his Master Mason apron framed.
My mom was big on family history and keeping records. The family Bible is full of dates for birth, marriage, death of family members. The Bible dates over 100 years old. My great grandmothers Bible before my to possession. She had it professionally re-bound in leather. Just a wealth of info.
Here is the obit from my uncle. WW2 vet that passed on last year. Note the reference to greenhouses he worked. Our family greenhouses in NY. Edward R. Schultheis, 87, of Oxford, New Jersey passed away on Sunday, October 14, 2012 at Warren Haven Nursing Home, Oxford, NJ. Born: Edward was born on December 16, 1924 in Flushing, NY. He was the son of the late Mr. Charles J. Schultheis and Arceneth M. Bertgchinger. Personal: Edward is predeceased by his loving wife, Eugenia Lucille Larkin in 1997. Edward worked as a master maintenance mechanic for M&M Mars, Hackettstown, NJ. In his earlier years, Edward worked in greenhouses and worked as a blacksmith for Allenwood Steel Company, - See more at: http://obits.lehighvalleylive.com/obituaries/etpa/obituary.aspx?pid=160493268#fbLoggedOut
Jimbuna
08-13-13, 09:37 AM
Absolutely priceless :sunny:
Sailor Steve
08-13-13, 09:49 AM
Actually, I have.
That is awesome! :rock:
I challenge you to now get off your lazy but and Show me your last 400 years of lineage.
I really should. I keep meaning to, but there is always something else going on, some new project that keeps me busy. Ancestry.com keeps asking me to sign up, but I tell myself I don't want to spend the money. The truth is that I really am a lazy-butt, and I need to get over that and get started.
And yes, I know you were joking...
It was also mostly aimed at Red October, who gave nothing but a big "I think..." I really do try to live by that logical credo that says that if it's not a fact, it's just a guess, and if you can't show it then you don't know it. That's why I qualified the Saxon connection by saying that at this point it's just hearsay.
but damn that was a lot of work.
I can imagine. Most of my information comes from a small booklet published by one of my relatives many decades ago. She did all the work, and it's still largely incomplete.
Sailor Steve
08-13-13, 09:52 AM
At any rate, my great grandfather created a hybrid rose knows as the Schultheis Rose. Here is a picture and description.
That is so cool! :yep:
AVGWarhawk
08-13-13, 09:58 AM
That is so cool! :yep:
It is kind of neat seeing the rose every now and then for sale at local nurseries.
Armistead
08-13-13, 11:13 AM
Actually, I have. About 25 years ago my mother and I did the research, chronicling the entire family tree back to the early 1600's. At the time, the internet was practically non-existent, so getting records from England at the time was nigh impossible, so we stopped there.
We did end up with a 300 page tome with a direct lineage back to the Mayflower. Included were various scrapbook items, news articles, photo/lithographs of family.
The part of the name I wasn't sure on, as I haven't read the book in 15-20 years, was the exact spelling.
I challenge you to now get off your lazy but and Show me your last 400 years of lineage.
And yes, I know you were joking... but damn that was a lot of work.
Doing the hand work is he best way to do it. You would be surprised how much false info gets online. Luckily we have a lot of family info, but to this day ancestry.com and other services use wrong info. They have all descendents stemming from his second wife, not his first. Plus you'll never get the full info online. I find churches the best place.
My wife and I have both tried to collect our family history. Both have 100s of pics, tin types, nitrates, deeds, grants. We have furniture from the 1700's, clothes from the 1800's, numerous military items from the CW to Korea. I even have the trunk my original ancestor brought over from Germany in the 1700's.
If we ever get our farm house restored, we plan to make it a family museum of sorts....
Armistead
08-13-13, 01:28 PM
Yup, did it till the politics and squabbling drove me out like Achilles sulking in his tent! :
What's surprising is the amount of todays Yanks joining CSA acting groups. Finally, they've come to their senses. But like you said, even reenacting is becoming political, many Yanks seem to be making a statement that they hate the big govt, taxes, all those same issues that started the CW to start with.:D
nikimcbee
08-13-13, 01:51 PM
What's surprising is the amount of todays Yanks joining CSA acting groups. Finally, they've come to their senses. But like you said, even reenacting is becoming political, many Yanks seem to be making a statement that they hate the big govt, taxes, all those same issues that started the CW to start with.:D
I was gunna post something else, then I saw this.:up: Spot on.
Back on topic, my Mum's side goes waaay back to when Newcastle was part of Scotland.:D I'm pretty sure Jim and I are kin folk.
AVGWarhawk
08-13-13, 01:59 PM
Back on topic, my Mum's side goes waaay back to when Newcastle was part of Scotland.:D I'm pretty sure Jim and I are kin folk.
:o God help you, Jim!
Jimbuna
08-13-13, 01:59 PM
Back on topic, my Mum's side goes waaay back to when Newcastle was part of Scotland.:D I'm pretty sure Jim and I are kin folk.
WHAT THE!! :o
Dear Lord please say it isn't so http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9425/praydl5rp5.gif
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6324/uowyaydh5wc2zm2.gif
Wolferz
08-13-13, 02:20 PM
WHAT THE!! :o
Dear Lord please say it isn't so http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9425/praydl5rp5.gif
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6324/uowyaydh5wc2zm2.gif
Dear Jimbuna,
The lord does not tell lies.
Yours truly,
Jesus
Armistead
08-13-13, 03:04 PM
Great news finding a relative Jim. I was pleased to find Steve and I were family.
Pleased that he lives so far away.
Jimbuna
08-13-13, 03:25 PM
I'm simply praying everyone (Jason mostly) will run out of 'tracing' paper soon :)
Platapus
08-13-13, 04:37 PM
I don't have to trace my family. They track me down every time they need money. :nope:
Sailor Steve
08-13-13, 05:06 PM
Pleased that he lives so far away.
As I once told Frau Kaleun, I know the five scariest words you'll ever hear:
I can be there tomorrow. :D
Armistead
08-13-13, 05:28 PM
As I once told Frau Kaleun, I know the five scariest words you'll ever hear:
I can be there tomorrow. :D
Well, I hope you read the sign.
No Trespassing
Violators prosecuted!
Family members shot on sight!
However, I can send my wife, her dogs and credit card bills to you:D
WernherVonTrapp
08-13-13, 06:16 PM
What's surprising is the amount of todays Yanks joining CSA acting groups. Finally, they've come to their senses. But like you said, even reenacting is becoming political, many Yanks seem to be making a statement that they hate the big govt, taxes, all those same issues that started the CW to start with.:D
Sometimes I have to wonder; are they reenacting or drilling?:O:
AVGWarhawk
08-14-13, 10:44 AM
Sometimes I have to wonder; are they reenacting or drilling?:O:
Yes.
Aktungbby
08-14-13, 11:01 AM
My family's business over the centuries has been rose growers. When we arrived in NY my family set up a mile of greenhouses for growing roses. They employed Asians to work the greenhouses. One day a large box kite was constructed by one of the workers. The kite was large enough to fly a worker and they did. Unfortunate he fell out of the kite and crashed through a greenhouse window. He was ok after the incident.
At any rate, my great grandfather created a hybrid rose knows as the Schultheis Rose. Here is a picture and description.
http://www.vintagegardens.com/roses.aspx?cat_id=20
http://www.vintagegardens.com/classhabits/habit_roses/pres_dut.jpg
Will be looking that up to grow in my back yard along with the veggies, and raspberries, grape vines and the rose tree arbors -Schultheis. We plant the roses at the heads of the grape vine rows here as they are a early warning mine canary of sorts. if the roses ain't looking good there's probably a problem with the grapes too. Have your defibrillator standing by: 1 acre of Cabernet Savignon acreage is $2-4 million-roses and vines not included- but it may be a useful sale lead for you as the great houses of the landsraat , Mondavi etc., all do it too and it looks good for the tourists. :arrgh!:
Well, bringing this back on topic a little (the horror!), this thread inspired me to do some digging of my own, since until now I had been relying on third hand information, which it would seem is inaccurate.
So far I have found no evidence of involvement in the Light Brigade or of riches of any sort. However, what I have found has been quite fascinating. The family has been mostly agricultural based, although my great-great-grandfather did have a shoe warehouse in Swindon in the 1850s, and Charles seems to be a very popular name for the men, about four generations worth of Charles dating back to 1748 with a Philip thrown in for good measure.
There is quite a cute tale around the 1850s that involved Henry Hayes, my Great-Great-Great-Grandfather who fell in love with the family servant, Mary Ann Hall, married her, had two children but then sadly died eight years later. I mean, it's like something out of a Catherine Cookson novel! :haha:
Then there's the wife's side who had her great-grandfather marry the girl next door! :haha:
It's been quite fascinating work. :yep:
Aktungbby
08-14-13, 11:08 AM
That is awesome! :rock:
I really should. I keep meaning to, but there is always something else going on, some new project that keeps me busy. Ancestry.com keeps asking me to sign up, but I tell myself I don't want to spend the money. The truth is that I really am a lazy-butt, and I need to get over that and get started.
It was also mostly aimed at Red October, who gave nothing but a big "I think..." I really do try to live by that logical credo that says that if it's not a fact, it's just a guess, and if you can't show it then you don't know it. That's why I qualified the Saxon connection by saying that at this point it's just hearsay.
I can imagine. Most of my information comes from a small booklet published by one of my relatives many decades ago. She did all the work, and it's still largely incomplete.
Hence my reference to the domesday book in my reference to Hastings; I know you appreciate good sound primary source scholarship!:arrgh!:
You guys do know that Ancestry.com...well, co.uk anyway, has a 14 day free trial at the moment? That's what I'm using...and I can recommend it highly.
Aktungbby
08-14-13, 11:23 AM
Well, bringing this back on topic a little (the horror!), this thread inspired me to do some digging of my own, since until now I had been relying on third hand information, which it would seem is inaccurate.
So far I have found no evidence of involvement in the Light Brigade or of riches of any sort. However, what I have found has been quite fascinating. The family has been mostly agricultural based, although my great-great-grandfather did have a shoe warehouse in Swindon in the 1850s, and Charles seems to be a very popular name for the men, about four generations worth of Charles dating back to 1748 with a Philip thrown in for good measure.
There is quite a cute tale around the 1850s that involved Henry Hayes, my Great-Great-Great-Grandfather who fell in love with the family servant, Mary Ann Hall, married her, had two children but then sadly died eight years later. I mean, it's like something out of a Catherine Cookson novel! :haha:
Then there's the wife's side who had her great-grandfather marry the girl next door! :haha:
It's been quite fascinating work. :yep:
Speaking of the horror: My Kincaid forbear near Glasgow was burned at the stake 1588 for hiring her man servant to murder her abusive husband; so much for women's lib. The rest of the Kincaids and the Mclain's of my wife's side were all cattle thieves and extortionist-and those McClains actually gave comfort to shipwrecked Armada crew in exchange for cattle raiding assistance-all being good Catholics at the time which foundered off Scotland after the great channel fiasco trying to get home via the Northern route. No wonder good King George gave us the option to flee to the colonies after 1745 ; all that energy could be used on Indians and the French in Canada. The Kincaid House restaurant in the Bay area is my favorite-naturally and out of respect, theres no corkage fee (if I bring my own Scotch) for clan members...:arrgh!:
Aktungbby
08-14-13, 11:26 AM
As I once told Frau Kaleun, I know the five scariest words you'll ever hear:
I can be there tomorrow. :D
From which we get " Today Germany, tomorrow the world"? Zeig!
Sailor Steve
08-14-13, 11:32 AM
From which we get " Today Germany, tomorrow the world"? Zeig!
Hey, hey, HEY! I'm not threatening to take over anything.
Just visit. :D
Aktungbby
08-14-13, 01:01 PM
Hey, hey, HEY! I'm not threatening to take over anything.
Just visit. :D
Of course, Heine, we're just visiting...for the next thousand years! That's why there's a Ubootwaffe. how does one post photos here anyway. I saw something from Onkel but can't find it now. Thnx in advance.:arrgh!:
Sailor Steve
08-14-13, 01:57 PM
Use a free hosting service, like ImageShack or Photobucket. :sunny:
Aktungbby
08-14-13, 02:01 PM
Use a free hosting service, like ImageShack or Photobucket. :sunny:
Danke:arrgh!:
Armistead
08-16-13, 12:25 AM
I haven't bothered to go across the ocean to England, but here, if you can stand it, is my direct lineage to that time. I'll leave out all the brothers and sisters and just stick to the direct ancestors. Well, I have to leave in one or two brothers, just because of their military service.
James Bradfield: (No birth date listed), South Wales, Great Britain. Listed as living on the Rappahannock River near Fredericksburg, Virginia in 1785, and in Loudon County, Virginia, in 1787
Elizabeth Lorentz: 1765, Wales
Married around 1785 - 2 sons
Lewis B. Bradfield: 1786, Dumfries, Prince William County, Virginia – 1870, Uniontown Alabama. His younger brother John served in the War of 1812.
Mary C. “Polly” Farrar: December 20, 1788, Rockingham County, North Carolina – 1855, LaGrange, Georgia
Married November 24, 1807 - 6 sons, 3 daughters. The youngest son served in the Confederate army.
William Bradfield: April 15, 1813 – November 7, 1893, Madison, North Carolina
Ann Elizabeth Talley: July 4, 1822, Green County, Georgia – November 7, 1893, Madison, North Carolina - 1 daughter, 6 sons
BRADFIELD, WILLIAM
Headline: Two Madison news items
Abstract: Death notice for William Bradfield.
Subject term: Bradfield, William, d.1899
Subject term: Death notices -- 19th century
Newspaper: Reidsville Weekly Review 06/09/1899: December 2, 1843, Troup County, Georgia – March 7, 1932, Austin, Texas
Served in Company E, 1st Texas Regiment, Hood’s Brigade, Longstreet’s Corps, Army of Northern Virginia. His younger brother, John Anderson Bradfield, served in Company F, 4th Texas, Hood's Brigade.
Louisa A. Estes: I have no other information on her, or when they were married - 2 sons
Robert Olin Bradfield: October 24, 1889 – July 1, 1965, Dallas, Texas
Blandena Frances Safronia Keller: July 28, 1895, Dallas, Texas – May 22, 1973, Dallas, Texas
Married January 1914 - 7 sons, 3 daughters
Donald Edward Bradfield: December 11, 1927, Dallas, Texas – July 19, 2012, Redondo Beach, California
US Navy, 1947-1949. He had two older brothers who were at Pearl Harbor, and several more served in the war, but I have no details.
Doris Gwendolyn Sutton: December 12, 1927
Married 1949, Divorced 1958 - 1 son - me :D
Barbara Daily: November 23, 1939
Married August 1, 1961 - 1 daughter, 1 son
Now aren't you sorry you asked?
SInce William/Talley are a known historical couple here, thought I would do some research for you. You probably know of most of this. William was the richest man in his county around 1861. Ann Talley was considered one, if not, the most beautiful woman in the South. I think I found where I can get an earlier picture of her in Madison, would like to see for myself.
He also served in the CW.
"He was Quartermaster of the 7th Texas Regiment, CSA until the fall of Fort Donelson, and was afterwards Provost Marshal at Marshall, Texas with the rank of Major".
They had another son named Charles that also served in the CW as a special messenger to Gen. Tighlman.
They had 10 Children....., although one site has it as 7.
"Major William Bradfield, a North Carolina native, was the first stationmaster and the first postmaster. He came to Mesquite in 1873 with the railroad and has been recognized by Texas historians as the first settler of Mesquite" Before that, seems he started a stagecoach and ran a large plantation in Marshall in the 50's. The RR put an end to his stagecoach business. However, his stagecoach business also worked and received payments from the CSA govt. However, he later became DIrector of the RR. Found this, thought funny
"TEXAS REPUBLICAN [MARSHALL], April 18, 1868, p. 2, c. 2
Major Bradfield upon reading the criticism of the Tyler Index upon the present management of the Southern Pacific Railroad, so far as he is concerned, and he thought he was doing pretty well. That he has taken charge of the road in December last, and, with the exception of four days, had made daily trips regularly, to and from Shreveport, carrying freight and passengers. That he had been abused during that period but by two people: the editor of the Index and an old Irish woman."
His historical marker stagecoach.
http://www.9key.com/markers/marker_detail.asp?atlas_number=5203010197
Guess you know his Stagecoach Rd. today is considered the scariest road in Texas and they have used it numerous times in movies.
http://myetx.com/stagecoach-road/
It appears when he joined the 7th, during Fort Donelson many died or were captured, but some escape. From what I can tell, he was one that escaped and never saw action with the 7th again. He either joined Terry's Rangers for awhile or quickly became Provost. I guess his wealth and quartermaster skills with the 7th helped that.
Here is a clip of Major B's action as Provost Marshall during the CW, sounds exciting. I assume the cargo he was after was slaves.
http://books.google.com/books?id=QQdSXGSenYQC&pg=PA210&lpg=PA210&dq=William+Bradfield+provost+marshal+confederate&source=bl&ots=xbLdRHe8R1&sig=Wen9gTl3dAJp0AIf2s17N6vt1Eo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BcENUsHRHoGFyQHb9oA4&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=William%20Bradfield%20provost%20marshal%20confed erate&f=false
I found several of his Provost arrest and other reports, some trivial, some rather tough.
You can find him mentioned several times in the [MARSHALL] TEXAS REPUBLICAN" The newspaper of the day there. Give it a search, great reading.
The reason for this obit of sorts in Reidsville is that Madison was so small, it didn't have a paper then.
William also died in 1899
BRADFIELD, WILLIAM
Headline: Two Madison news items
Abstract: Death notice for William Bradfield.
Subject term: Bradfield, William, d.1899
Subject term: Death notices -- 19th century
Newspaper: Reidsville Weekly Review 06/09/1899
Ann Talley Grave
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=59494100
William Grave
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=59494076
Also, you have a William after a William, which should be James Olin Bradfield who served in Company E, First Texas Regiment, Longstreet's Corps, Hood's Brigade, the Army of Northern Virginia. Robert Olin is of James loins...
Robert Olin grave
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=48790334. Assume you remember him.
Found this son that obviously served in the navy, John Clifford.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=76197428
You have some great history. I may be in Madison this weekend and will stop and see if they have info/pictures of them in the church that exists now. It's old, but think the original where they're buried is gone.
Did you inherit any of his money? Wonder if he lost most of it after the war? Strange they would return to Madison, as it was a small rural poor town of sorts then.....and now.
I plan to go to Basset Historical Center in Va. soon. That small town probably has the best material available for all CSA, even did the research for Michelle Obama's slave heritage. I'll see what I can pull out for your CSA family.
Forgive me for breaking the history up, worked on it as I went along. Love history.
Sailor Steve
08-16-13, 10:10 AM
Cool! The Death Notice date is at variance with what I already had there. I'm sure some research there will clear it up for me.
Thanks! :sunny:
[edit] The tombstone says 1899, so now I'm wondering where the date I have came from.
I just figured it out. The 1893 date is Ann's. I repeated it somehow.
[edit 2] They had 10 Children....., although one site has it as 7.
The information I already have lists
Mary Anna Bradfield: October 17, 1841, Troup County, Georgia
James Olin Bradfield: December 2, 1843, Troup County, Georgia – March 7, 1932, Austin, Texas (great-grandfather)Served in Company E, 1st Texas Regiment, Hood’s Brigade, Longstreet’s Corps, Army of Northern Virginia
John Anderson Bradfield: October 30, 1845, Long Cane (Troup County), Georgia – December 24, 1932, Dallas TexasServed in Company F, 4th Texas Regiment, Hood’s Brigade, Longstreet’s Corps, Army of Northern Virginia
Joseph Nicholas Bradfield: October 14, 1851, Troup County, Georgia – January 23, 1919
George Reese Bradfield: November 5, 1854, Harrison County, Texas – April 19, 1926, Helena, Arkansas
Harry Langdon Bradfield: March 16, 1860, Harrison County, Texas – 1892(?), Texas
Thomas Otis Bradfield: July 19, 1864, Harrison County, Texas – 1892, Throckmorton, Texas
So that's ten.
[edit 3] Robert Olin grave. Assume you remember him.
Yes indeed. His 1962 visit to L.A. was one of the highlights of my young life. I already had looked at that site. Thanks.
[edit 4] Found this son that obviously served in the navy, John Clifford.
Don't know if I've seen that or not, but I didn't have it in my records. Thanks again.
[edit 5] His historical marker stagecoach.
Guess you know his Stagecoach Rd. today is considered the scariest road in Texas and they have used it numerous times in movies.
Nope, I did not know that. I only had information that he had owned a stage line and several slaves.
Armistead
08-16-13, 11:16 AM
I called the lady at the Pres. Church. She says the church has a lot of info, some pictures. Be nice to see a younger picture of Talley since she was the most beautiful woman of the South during her day.
Sorry the looks didn't make it to you...:O:
Sailor Steve
08-16-13, 12:06 PM
ISorry the looks didn't make it to you...:O:
Not at all. In fact I'm grateful I'm not regarded as the most beautiful woman in Utah. :yep:
Armistead
08-16-13, 12:17 PM
Not at all. In fact I'm grateful I'm not regarded as the most beautiful woman in Utah. :yep:
smartazz:haha:
Wolferz
08-16-13, 08:49 PM
Not at all. In fact I'm grateful I'm not regarded as the most beautiful woman in Utah. :yep:
If you were, would you care?:03::O:
Sailor Steve
08-16-13, 10:39 PM
Umm... :doh:
Armistead
08-16-13, 11:00 PM
Umm... :doh:
I went to grave yard today, found Williams grave. Called the Historian at Wentworth about my wife's family, he said he knew yours well, even related to Talley line. Get to meet with him next week. From what little I know, like me, you can thank the Yanks for ruining your inheritance.
Maybe, you're not so ugly, not sure how old you are, guessing by your few pics posted, early 70's?
Sailor Steve
08-17-13, 09:14 AM
I went to grave yard today, found Williams grave. Called the Historian at Wentworth about my wife's family, he said he knew yours well, even related to Talley line. Get to meet with him next week. From what little I know, like me, you can thank the Yanks for ruining your inheritance.
It's amazing how you can run into people who know people like that. :rock:
early 70's?
Ninety-six, punk, and still tougher'n you'll ever be! :x
My uncle (mothers brother) traced the Shetland side of the family a few years ago. Furthest back my tree goes is 12th Century Norway, somewhere around Stavanger.
Mike.:D
Edited for unnecessary info!
Neptunus Rex
08-17-13, 10:06 AM
1641, New Netherland (present New York City).
Had a Great-Great-Grandfather in the Gordons but during the First War. :salute:
My Great-Grandfather was on the receiving end of one of Doenitz's boys, but survived, shook him up quite a bit though and put him out of the war about six or seven months later, he'd already received wounds in the First war, and been pushed off the beach at Dunkirk.
More details in this thread - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=684262&postcount=8
Been working with my Dad to get his side of the family, the Lithuanian connection is a bit closer than I thought, my great-grandparents were apparently brought over from what was then Russia (thanks to the Russia/Prussia/Austria agreements of the 1770s/1790s) to work at the Tate and Lyle factory in London.
Armistead
08-17-13, 10:23 AM
Ninety-six, punk, and still tougher'n you'll ever be! :x
Hey, the reason I have such a handsome face at 50 didn't come from being weak. I think having some Presley in me is where I get my moves.
I'm a hunka burning love...
Wolferz
08-17-13, 10:46 AM
Hey, the reason I have such a handsome face at 50 didn't come from being weak. I think having some Presley in me is where I get my moves.
I'm a hunka burning love...
If you truly had some Presley in you, you'd be a hunka, hunka burning love.:hmmm:
Don't look now, you're pants are on fire.:huh:
Armistead
08-17-13, 11:09 AM
If you truly had some Presley in you, you'd be a hunka, hunka burning love.:hmmm:
Don't look now, you're pants are on fire.:huh:
Elvis was kin on my mothers side
Just compare, look at those eyes, the strong chin, the full lips, the hair.... No doubt about it...
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/IMG_0025.jpg
http://www.texasexes.org/images/hs/hook/ElvisPresley.jpg
Sailor Steve
08-17-13, 11:33 AM
You do remind me a bit of Pressly - Jaime Pressly! :O:
Wolferz
08-17-13, 03:30 PM
Elvis was kin on my mothers side
Just compare, look at those eyes, the strong chin, the full lips, the hair.... No doubt about it...
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/IMG_0025.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/cro-magnon.jpg
Pffffffffffttttttttt!:haha:
I bet if you really tried, you could trace yourself all the way back to Cro-Magnon
Jimbuna
08-17-13, 03:38 PM
Elvis was kin on my mothers side
Just compare, look at those eyes, the strong chin, the full lips, the hair.... No doubt about it...
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/IMG_0025.jpg
I really don't wish to sound rude but I' a little confused...which one is you? :hmmm:
:O:
Armistead
08-17-13, 04:11 PM
Good friends here....
Wolferz
08-17-13, 04:59 PM
Good friends here....
Yeah, we're the best! :yeah:
To answer your question, Jim...he's the fuzzy one.
WernherVonTrapp
08-17-13, 05:04 PM
Elvis was kin on my mothers side
Just compare, look at those eyes, the strong chin, the full lips, the hair.... No doubt about it...
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/IMG_0025.jpg
Well, you've aged better than I have, I'll admit that.:hmm2:
Armistead
08-17-13, 05:09 PM
You guys are just jealous, if you really compared us, you would see we look a lot alike...
Armistead
08-17-13, 05:10 PM
Well, you've aged better than I have, I'll admit that.:hmm2:
Ah, another insult. I expected as such.
WernherVonTrapp
08-17-13, 05:14 PM
You guys are just jealous, if you really compared us, you would see we look a lot alike...
:hmmm: Now that you mention it, you do look a bit like that guy in the blue & red shirt.
Wolferz
08-17-13, 05:52 PM
:hmmm: Now that you mention it, you do look a bit like that guy in the blue & red shirt.
Bow wow owee.:O:
They both lick themselves too.
The insults will continue until humility is achieved.
Armistead
08-17-13, 06:21 PM
The insults will continue until humility is achieved.
Hey, give me a good book, a cup of coffee and me dog and I can be happy all by meself.
"Bite Me"
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/475ab263-44a9-4a9a-80b9-5d5a1d748ab1_zps98923ef0.jpg
Sailor Steve
08-17-13, 06:40 PM
Good news! While sorting through boxes I found the little pamphlet published by a family member back in 1956. I had seen a copy as a boy, and in 1987 wrote to an aunt in Dallas asking if she knew where I could get one. She had copies and sent me one. It contains errors, such as listing my grandfather as having eight children when in fact he had ten. That's understandable since it was written by
Still, it contains some interesting information that I'm now trying to follow up on. some of it concerns the families of spouses such as Polly Farrar. It also has a fairly long article on the Talleys.
The part I'm looking at now concerns the older English and Welsh ancestors. The booklet has a John de Bradfield, Bishop of Rochester, 1040, "about the time of the accession of Harthcnut". British History Online says that the first Bishop of Rochester was Siward, in 1058. They do have John de Bradfield as Bishop, but from 1278 until his death in 1283. Still, there he is. :sunny:
The next listing refers to Collins' Peerage, which tells of Thomas Bendish, who married Margaret, daughter of Thomas Bradfield of Barrington in 1389. A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain confirms this. He may be only a distant relation, or he may be a direct ancestor. Either way, this is fun!
It turns out there are several villages and manor houses in England bearing the name of Bradfield. Now I have to join Ancestry.com! :rock:
WernherVonTrapp
08-17-13, 06:44 PM
Hey, give me a good book, a cup of coffee and me dog and I can be happy all by meself.
"Bite Me"
How did your "tubing" excursion go?
http://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Go-tubing-down-the-Salt-river-they-said.jpg
Wolferz
08-17-13, 07:51 PM
How did your "tubing" excursion go?
http://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Go-tubing-down-the-Salt-river-they-said.jpg
Tonto really should tell the lone Ranger that kemosabi means stoopid cowboy.:03:
Wolferz
08-17-13, 08:13 PM
Hey, give me a good book, a cup of coffee and me dog and I can be happy all by meself.
"Bite Me"
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/475ab263-44a9-4a9a-80b9-5d5a1d748ab1_zps98923ef0.jpg
Not until momma washes your filthy hide again, pal.:stare:
Platapus
08-17-13, 08:16 PM
We had some troops who used to go tubing when I was stationed in Texas (the dark times). Many of them came back that colour and worse.
Tubing can be pretty bad for your skin if you are not careful. Unfortunately, careful and young troops seldom were introduced. Ouch.
We have this one troop come back with partial thickness burns (second degree) all over his shoulders, upper back, and worse upper chest. That guy sure paid for his carelessness. :nope:
Armistead
08-17-13, 10:05 PM
Good news! While sorting through boxes I found the little pamphlet published by a family member back in 1956. I had seen a copy as a boy, and in 1987 wrote to an aunt in Dallas asking if she knew where I could get one. She had copies and sent me one. It contains errors, such as listing my grandfather as having eight children when in fact he had ten. That's understandable since it was written by
Still, it contains some interesting information that I'm now trying to follow up on. some of it concerns the families of spouses such as Polly Farrar. It also has a fairly long article on the Talleys.
The part I'm looking at now concerns the older English and Welsh ancestors. The booklet has a John de Bradfield, Bishop of Rochester, 1040, "about the time of the accession of Harthcnut". British History Online says that the first Bishop of Rochester was Siward, in 1058. They do have John de Bradfield as Bishop, but from 1278 until his death in 1283. Still, there he is. :sunny:
The next listing refers to Collins' Peerage, which tells of Thomas Bendish, who married Margaret, daughter of Thomas Bradfield of Barrington in 1389. A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain confirms this. He may be only a distant relation, or he may be a direct ancestor. Either way, this is fun!
It turns out there are several villages and manor houses in England bearing the name of Bradfield. Now I have to join Ancestry.com! :rock:
It can be interesting. It can be difficult to figure directs. The Rockingham Genealogical Research Center at the college has a lot of info on the Bradfields. Some of their descendants still live around here today. I know when William and Talley came back here, their younger children came with them, so assume from that. I'll see what they might have when I go researching my relative there.
Ancestry.com is OK, but usually contains errors.
Armistead
08-17-13, 10:07 PM
How did your "tubing" excursion go?
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I didn't go today, raining hard and I didn't want to get wet.
Wolferz
08-18-13, 03:41 PM
I didn't go today, raining hard and I didn't want to get wet.
:roll::roll:
Sailor Steve
08-18-13, 03:46 PM
Ancestry.com is OK, but usually contains errors.
Maybe, but where else am I going to find information on the English ancestors?
Armistead
08-18-13, 04:06 PM
Maybe, but where else am I going to find information on the English ancestors?
It's fairly accurate on records you can see. Take my case, gave my ancestors 2nd wife as my direct linage, when it was his first wife we came from.
You should also search sites in Wale/UK. I found much more of my ancestors there regarding euro family history. Most you have to pay for, but some have free trials.
Aktungbby
08-18-13, 07:05 PM
I'm a little nervous; am checking on Wulf -Koenig connection.:arrgh!:
Aktungbby
08-18-13, 09:30 PM
1641, New Netherland (present New York City).
When it was Nieuw Amsterdam! Gott Bless DeKuyper!:arrgh!:
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