Two British teens attacked with acid

[eddie]

2 young British teenage girls, ( who volunteered at a school in Zanzibar) were walking down a street when suddenly someone threw acid in their faces. Both suffered burns on their faces, chest and back. Pretty nasty thing to do to two young women only trying to help at a local school.

Hope they catch whomever did it, and throw acid on them, but wait at least 2 hours before you ask them how it feels!

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/08/19930221-acid-attackers-target-western-teens-volunteering-at-school-on-zanzibar?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=5

[Jimbuna]

Disgraceful but they're on their way home now.

[Wolferz]

That's hard core not cool.:down:

When I read the thread title, the first thing that came to mind was...
the perps were religious extremists.:nope:

[Jimbuna]

That's hard core not cool.:down:

When I read the thread title, the first thing that came to mind was...
the perps were religious extremists.:nope:

Might have some bearing:


The attack on the women came at the end of the Muslim holy month of fasting of Ramadan, and as people began to celebrate the Eid holiday.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/zanzibar-acid-attack-two-british-2139279

[Wxman]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/zanzibar-acid-attack-victim-katie-2140366

Just weeks earlier, Katie, from London, claimed she was attacked in the street by a Muslim woman for singing during the religious festival.

The teenager tweeted: "A Muslim woman just hit me in the street for singing on Ramadan. Is that normal?" — Katie Jemma Gee (@katiejgee) July 24, 2013

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2140089.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Main-Acidgirls-2140089.jpg

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/Two-British-teens-active-in-Jewish-group-attacked-with-acid-in-Zanzibar-322505

Funny how you never hear about Muslim attacks like this in American mass media. Kinda’ like the way they don’t cover black on white violence either. One could argue that its not PC, i.e., politically correct. I argue that it is indeed PC, i.e., political cowardice.

That notwithstanding, for the evangelical Mohametans are a tough crowd. One has to be absolutely firmly grounded in the doctrine of Scripture. One can not bridge with Mohametans dogmatically; such bridge can only be established on an intellectual foundation. Mohametans perceive themselves to be intellectually superior to all faiths. Their tolerance of christians is predicated on they being "followers of The Book" to which the Q'uran commands them to give deference.

Evangelizing Mohametans is neither beginner nor intermediate level work. Even expert evangelists need to have a solid understanding of Muslim culture, protocol, ettiquette and decorum. Failing any of that, their altruism, good intentions and expert knowlege of doctrine will be worthless.

Scripture says evangelists should be "wise as serpents but harmless as doves." Offending the Mohametan will result in absolute failure in one's efforts in spreading the Gospel. In a worst case scenario it can result in the loss of the evangelists life.

Evangelism aside, this Jewish group may be on a purely secular, i.e., humanitarian mission, but the issue regarding cultural norms can never be minimalized in a predominant Muslim populace / society.

[HW3]

The islands are mainly Muslim, with some three percent of the 1.2 million people Christian.

Might explain why, as I'm sure they were not dressed properly according to the Muslim way of thinking.

[eddie]

Might want to check the first post to a link in the American mass media,lol

[Stealhead]

It happens to women in places like Pakistan every single day the local women.

[eddie]

You kinow something Stealhead, if you carry out an attack like this, no matter where in the world you do it, who do you brag about it to?

"Wow, guess what I did today? I snuck up on a couple of women and threw acid in their face!! Am I a tough guy or what!"

Personally, I couldn't do it, let alone brag about it.:nope:

[Stealhead]

You kinow something Stealhead, if you carry out an attack like this, no matter where in the world you do it, who do you brag about it to?


I am not following how this relates to my post.I simply stated that this kind of acid attack against women is very common in many parts of the world.I am not in any way agreeing with such actions or trying in anyway to explain why someone would do it.

I was merely stating that these kinds of attacks targeting women are common in some parts of the world. Of course typically the victims are not Europeans or North Americans maybe people will want to do something about it if they realized that such attacks are common against these 3rd world women.Probably not though.

[Gerald]

Terrible that things like this happen,:nope:

[WernherVonTrapp]

Very sad. All born out of hatred. Shameful. I hope the girls can recover from this.:nope:

[eddie]

I am not following how this relates to my post.I simply stated that this kind of acid attack against women is very common in many parts of the world.I am not in any way agreeing with such actions or trying in anyway to explain why someone would do it.

I was merely stating that these kinds of attacks targeting women are common in some parts of the world. Of course typically the victims are not Europeans or North Americans maybe people will want to do something about it if they realized that such attacks are common against these 3rd world women.Probably not though.

Well, I'm just trying to understand the mentallity of someone who would do this, not a judgement of what you wrote. Younger guys who like to fight, usually go around bragging whose butt they kicked, mostly against other guys. Vary rarely do men brag about knocking women about, so if you are involved in throwing acid in some girls face, who do you brag about that to? Other guys would think that they are candy arses for going after women, so what kind of sick mentallity thinks this is ok?

[BossMark]

There is some rotten evil in this world, catch the bastard(s) who did this and make them drink the stuff now that should nice and painful :yep:

[Skybird]

Tja. Nasty it may be, however I cannot help the impression that they - and many others - go to these dark countries with pretty much of naivety in their hearts as well. And naivety it obviously is when the one girl sings and gets attacked for that - and then asks on Twitter whether that is normal.

"In some countries, it is, young lady. And you were in one of them. You should have learned about that place before you went there."

I am sure that no tourist in the next holiday season will care for this event again, once he has to chose for his holiday destination and his own dreams and holiday expectations are affected when being asked why he even goes to such countries in the first. So as usual I think there is quite some hypocrisy involved if now the headlines are made over these two girls. Same about the Norwegian woman in Dubai recently that got sentenced for getting raped. What do people expect when going to certain countries?

Simple advise, dear boys and girls: do not move to countries ruled by barbary.

[Jimbuna]

Well, I'm just trying to understand the mentallity of someone who would do this, not a judgement of what you wrote. Younger guys who like to fight, usually go around bragging whose butt they kicked, mostly against other guys. Vary rarely do men brag about knocking women about, so if you are involved in throwing acid in some girls face, who do you brag about that to? Other guys would think that they are candy arses for going after women, so what kind of sick mentallity thinks this is ok?

Well it speaks volumes of them to me....weakest and most innocent/defenceless target.

Very brave and warrior-like not :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Zanzibar police say a reward of 10m Tanzanian shillings (£3,970, $6,170) has been offered for information leading to the capture of attackers who threw acid at two UK women.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23629334

Probably a fair amount of money over there.

[eddie]

My God Jim, the family of one of the girls released this picture of her showing the burns. I feel so sorry for them.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/photo-reveals-grissly-acid-burns-suffered-teenage-girls-horrific-attack-zanzibar-article-1.1422337

[mookiemookie]

While the desire to volunteer in a third world country is commendable, there's no freakin' way I'd do it.

Call me when Sweden or Luxembourg needs female body inspectors.

[Tribesman]

While the desire to volunteer in a third world country is commendable, there's no freakin' way I'd do it.
Yep. Many many years ago when I considered doing it I was offered Angola Zimbabwe Kashmir Sri Lanka or Eritrea.
No thank you, especially after they emphasised the theoretical benefits my nationality would give me over their other staff.

[Jimbuna]

My God Jim, the family of one of the girls released this picture of her showing the burns. I feel so sorry for them.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/photo-reveals-grissly-acid-burns-suffered-teenage-girls-horrific-attack-zanzibar-article-1.1422337

First I've seen...they look bad but thank God the face wasn't damaged anywhere near as much.

[STEED]

Why sick minded people do such a thing is just sick. :nope:

Those poor girls now have to go though a long period if not a few years of treatment.

[AVGWarhawk]

Assaulted for simply existing. The human animal is alive and well apparently.

[antikristuseke]

It's instances like this which keep convincing me that in certain cases, violence is indeed the solution.

[AVGWarhawk]

It's instances like this which keep convincing me that in certain cases, violence is indeed the solution.

Perhaps just eye for an eye.

[Jimbuna]

Or a tooth for a tooth.....the gummy barstewards :stare:

[antikristuseke]

Perhaps just eye for an eye.

I don't actually think eye for an eye works, but the nature of this act has shown that the perpetrator does not wish to be part of a civilized society as maiming people over something so minor is not acceptable. If they want off the society train, I would have no problem with giving them a helping hand, provided their guilt is proven to a reasonable degree.

[Penguin]

^good words, I would have no problems pushing them off the society train - not even mentioning a real train :). The only problem I see, is that the perps in their deranged minds think that the motivation for their deeds came from a higher power than human society.

[BrucePartington]

(snip) The only problem I see, is that the perps in their deranged minds think that the motivation for their deeds came from a higher power than human society.
Convince a little man he's doing something for a good and higher cause, he'll be capable of the most horrible deeds, and he'll do it with a smile.
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsS/25785-9775.gif

Before I'm keelhauled, because I'm alluding to Sir William Gull's statement in the tv mini-series Jack the Ripper (w/Michael Caine) 1988, I'd like to say, in my defence, that
**I know this version of events is just a dramatisation based on a popular fictional version**

Also, it is becoming apparent that for us to just "turn the other cheek" isn't working with these people. I fear it comes across as weakness, something I believe LEO and prison guards are familiar with.
OTOH, responding with violence tends to escalate the tone. Any response has to be weighed carefully.

Extremist leaders fear their followers become permeable to free thinking and enlightenment, which obviously undermines their power. Not surprisingly these people live in or nearby countries where religion IS the state. It's all about power, a potent and ancient drug.

[Skybird]

Bruce is right.

From a libertarian view on "justice", a victim of a crime shall have the right to demand a penalty that at maximum may equal the crime that it suffered from the hand of the perpetrator. The victim - not the state - should be the receiver of any compensation or penalty payments/fees. And penalty indeed translates into "an eye for an eye" here.

Lets see how this principle would work on such a case. The perpetrator must pay for the medical treatment, and must hand over a compensation that roughly, more or less, equals the severity of the crime. Maybe difficult to decide, but certainly a decision that cannot pass without any form of approval by the victim.

Until here, you then have an equalization of crime and compensation, but no punishment yet. Since the victim has the right to demand that the perpetrator shall be turned into a subject of the kind of crime he committed himself, the victim then can also demand that the perpetrator shall be burned by acid to the comparable degree he burnt her. The victim also has the right to forgo on this measurement, which then would be called an act of forgiveness or mercy. The victim must be totally free to decide here. Other people should keep their moral views on how the victim should decide, to themselves, and should not try to influence the decision by their precious personal world views.

Anything going beyond a punishement exceeding the quality of the crime, would be stepping beyond the scale of the original crime, and so the victim has no claim to demand any further punishment. If it would, it would become a criminal actor itself.

By this it becomes clear that no matter where the perpetrators will be brought to trial (if they catch them, which is anything but certain) - justice will neither be achieved, nor is it the purpose of the whole exercise.

Zanzibar was a center of Arab slave trading, and enjoys tourism interest that only gets effected by economically-linked ups and downs in Europe, but not by changes in general interest for or attraction by the place. Those going there I'm sure will not care for the two girls (if they even recall the case) and the background in ideology of the attackers. Well.