Replacing coal in Britain with wood chips? From the USA as well.

[mako88sb]

So how to you folks from Britain feel about this?:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/06/law-of-unintended-consequences-number-eleventy-zillion/#more-91046

True there's a lot less bad pollutants released compared to coal(90% less mercury for ex.) but how much more wood has to be burned to match the same output from coal?

[Oberon]

If it's cheaper than coal and has the same energy output then I'm for it. Most of our coal comes from Germany now anyway.

[Tribesman]

What happens if they cut the subsidies?

[Betonov]

I got about 300 cubic metres of birch for sale :hmmm:
But you'll have to go and cut it yourselves :O:

[BossMark]

There's loads of coal left in Britain so there's no need to burn wood, oh hang on a minute didn't the...........................................:/\\!!

[STEED]

There's loads of coal left in Britain so there's no need to burn wood, oh hang on a minute didn't the...........................................:/\\!!

I like fill the gaps, far too easy....bloody tories closed down all the mines.

[Jimbuna]

There's loads of coal left in Britain so there's no need to burn wood, oh hang on a minute didn't the...........................................:/\\!!

As much as it kills me to say it...Wilson closed a lot more pits than Thatcher.

[STEED]

As much as it kills me to say it...Wilson closed a lot more pits than Thatcher.

O' crud...Bossmark are you there?

[Wolferz]

Coal vs Wood pellets... In BTU's per ton, coal wins hands down....
http://www.ehow.com/about_5597091_wood-pellets-vs_-coal.html

I heat my home with Anthracite coal because it's cheaper than any other fuel and I just happen to live where Anthracite is king. The linked article quotes 2009 prices. That's changed about $100.00 per ton since then. But still, I can heat my home through the winter for an average of $300.00 to $600.00. Even if we have a long cold winter.

I would expect the price to rise if global demand increased. China buys a lot of it now. Probably the reason for the jump in price in a relatively short period of time.
If Britain and the EU start burning pellets then maybe my cheap fuel will remain cheap or get cheaper. Maybe China should start using pellets too. I'm sure they have plenty of timber resources.

[Oberon]

Coal vs Wood pellets... In BTU's per ton, coal wins hands down....
http://www.ehow.com/about_5597091_wood-pellets-vs_-coal.html

I heat my home with Anthracite coal because it's cheaper than any other fuel and I just happen to live where Anthracite is king. The linked article quotes 2009 prices. That's changed about $100.00 per ton since then. But still, I can heat my home through the winter for an average of $300.00 to $600.00. Even if we have a long cold winter.

I would expect the price to rise if global demand increased. China buys a lot of it now. Probably the reason for the jump in price in a relatively short period of time.
If Britain and the EU start burning pellets then maybe my cheap fuel will remain cheap or get cheaper. Maybe China should start using pellets too. I'm sure they have plenty of timber resources.

We used to use Anthracite on the Rayburn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayburn_Range) IIRC, good stuff, doesn't burn quite as hot as other coal but it burns longer and at a consistent heat.
We don't use the Rayburn any more since it tried to kill us (CO, long story) so we use standard coal on the living room fire. It is not cheap though, not cheap at all, we buy in the summer before the winter prices come in but even then it's about £6.88 at the moment, and will probably clock up to £7 a bag by the end of the month when the winter prices start.

[BossMark]

As much as it kills me to say it...Wilson closed a lot more pits than Thatcher.
Most definitely true but Mr Wilson did not close them to make a profit for his mates like the bloody Tories did.

O' crud...Bossmark are you there?
:yep:

[Wolferz]

We used to use Anthracite on the Rayburn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayburn_Range) IIRC, good stuff, doesn't burn quite as hot as other coal but it burns longer and at a consistent heat.
We don't use the Rayburn any more since it tried to kill us (CO, long story) so we use standard coal on the living room fire. It is not cheap though, not cheap at all, we buy in the summer before the winter prices come in but even then it's about £6.88 at the moment, and will probably clock up to £7 a bag by the end of the month when the winter prices start.

I use a Liesure Line coal stoker like this one...

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/39476428_scaled_234x320.jpg

Thermostat controlled blowers and stoker feed is great!

It was made in a town just over the ridge from my home. Purchased from one of the inventors and a former partner in the company who now just sells them out of a small store not far from here.

[Jimbuna]

Most definitely true but Mr Wilson did not close them to make a profit for his mates like the bloody Tories did.


:yep:

Do the Left seriously claim that Harold Wilson was accepting economic realities while Margaret Thatcher was motivated by sheer spite?

That argument flatlined many years ago.

[Armistead]

Build more nuclear plants, save trees and coal.

[BossMark]

Do the Left seriously claim that Harold Wilson was accepting economic realities while Margaret Thatcher was motivated by sheer spite?

That argument flatlined many years ago.
Want meant to be an argument Jim just a statement that I believe still to be true :yep:

[Wolferz]

Build more nuclear plants, save trees and coal.

I would be all for that if they could find a better method of disposing of the waste. Locking it up in a salt mine is temporary at best and sticking it in tank ammo kind of spreads it all over the place. Hmm, maybe that's the real reason for the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan?

[mako88sb]

Build more nuclear plants, save trees and coal.

I was wondering that myself but it seems half of the existing nuclear facilities are to close in the next decade and there seemed to be a lot of foot dragging about getting anymore built:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2046213/Britains-nuclear-future-bright-firms-look-exit-strategy.html

However, this newer article shows they have made a commitment to get 2 new plants built but they won't be ready till sometime mid 2020's.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/03/26/uk-britain-energy-nuclear-idUKBRE92P0K620130326

[Tribesman]

Do the Left seriously claim that Harold Wilson was accepting economic realities while Margaret Thatcher was motivated by sheer spite?

That argument flatlined many years ago.
I would say Thatchers approach to the miners as well as many other sectors was driven by her flawed political ideology more than economic realities.

[Armistead]

I would be all for that if they could find a better method of disposing of the waste. Locking it up in a salt mine is temporary at best and sticking it in tank ammo kind of spreads it all over the place. Hmm, maybe that's the real reason for the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Yea, in the next county over uranium ore has become an issue. So much of it that it's basically coming out of the ground. One man owns about 4000 acres that has enough ore to supply all the plants in the US for about 3 years. Those that want to drill say it's safe as long as they follow proper methods, those that are against it, site numerous issues. The waste would have to be properly stored for 1000 years.

[Jimbuna]

Want meant to be an argument Jim just a statement that I believe still to be true :yep:

Oh I know that Mark and considering what you experienced on a personal level I believe I can well understand your opinion.

[Sailor Steve]

I don't know about this. "Carrying wood chips to Newcastle" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

[Jimbuna]

Can't be any less profitable than trying to sell sand to the arabs :hmm2:

[Wolferz]

Can't be any less profitable than trying to sell sand to the arabs :hmm2:

Y'all could always use the fatbergs out of the London sewer as fuel.:O:

[Jimbuna]

Y'all could always use the fatbergs out of the London sewer as fuel.:O:

You've got me there...fatberg?

[nikimcbee]

In before Bossma.....:dead:

So, if they get rid of coal, what will bossmark do for work?

Lumberjack?

http://jholroyd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/lumberjack.jpg

[Fubar2Niner]

^

:har::har::har::har:

[nikimcbee]

You've got me there...fatberg?

Steed?:hmmm:

Steed Fatberg?
Can't be right.

[Jimbuna]

In before Bossma.....:dead:

So, if they get rid of coal, what will bossmark do for work?

Lumberjack?



No, I reckon he'll fall in love with a Firefighter instead.

[nikimcbee]

No, I reckon he'll fall in love with a Firefighter instead.

:hmmm:

Not sure about that.

There is some pretty strong data supporting the theory that this is Steed:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQnyS0F40yDrU7TZMcJwxSkoNasnV5Ux F8A_EXdIYqLgPgnhprV

or this
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1310029.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Prince%20Harry%20-1310029
(jeebus Steed, get a haircut already or go to the salon)

[Oberon]

You've got me there...fatberg?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/23586290

Not for those with a weak stomach. :O:

[mako88sb]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/23586290

Not for those with a weak stomach. :O:

Wow! Learn something new everyday. Never thought I'd see something more disgusting then one of our co-workers eating habits.

[Jimbuna]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/23586290

Not for those with a weak stomach. :O:

You shouldn't have bothered!! :o

[BossMark]

In before Bossma.....:dead:

So, if they get rid of coal, what will bossmark do for work?

Lumberjack?


Retired from coal mining in 2003 Niki :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Retired from coal mining in 2003 Niki :yep:

Now working in a toilet as a cleaner :hmm2:

[BossMark]

Now working in a toilet as a cleaner :hmm2:
For how good the bloody management run the factory I work in, I might as well be a bloody cleaner

[Jimbuna]

LOL :)