View Full Version : GOP extortion now?
Wolferz
08-05-13, 05:01 PM
http://news.msn.com/us/gop-to-networks-cancel-clinton-shows-or-well-nix-debates
WTF!?!?:stare:
The puppet theater gets stranger by the day.
Buddahaid
08-05-13, 05:06 PM
Waaaaaaaa It's not fair....... I not gonna play with you anymore...... I'm tellin' my Dad..... waaaaaa.....
Sheesh. Politics has really hit the gutter and slipped into the sewer system.
Platapus
08-05-13, 05:23 PM
I think the GOP has more to lose than CNN does in this deal. :nope:
Maybe the GOP could commission a program on the successes of the GOP under the G W Bush administration...no, wait,...the commercials would run longer than the program itself...
It is very telling the GOP is so concerned about intra-party and candidate sniping in the course of the debates. The only thing more politcally divided than the general population or the Congress is the GOP. With all the noisy and noisome factions in the GOP, they would do better to find some means of exerting some form of cohesiveness rather than attempting a pitiful PR stunt likely to backfire on themselves. It would also serve them well to ditch the rather outdated and out of touch pundits and advisers like Rove...
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Wolferz
08-05-13, 07:11 PM
What are they so afraid of in regard to a Clinton documentary?
Maybe, since their filibuster of Obama's first term went bust in their faces, they don't want to chance that a "woman" might take the prized seat away from them for another four years in 2016.
They have made their feelings known about women and Obama abundantly clear for the last eight plus years and knowing full well that they can't come up with a winning candidate after the last debacle. So, they'll resort to childish tantrums and ultimatums for the next cycle? What a bunch of sad pathetic little people the GOP has become.
On a side note, the next senatorial election cycle officially kicked off at the Fancy Farm BBQ in Kentucky over the weekend. Mitch McConnell decided not to attend. Matt Bevin, one of the Tea Partyish candidates for his office stated that he's not going to Mitch's left or right, he's going right over the top of him.
WernherVonTrapp
08-05-13, 08:02 PM
What are they so afraid of in regard to a Clinton documentary?
Maybe it's; when the media starts courting one political party (and consequently it's ideals) over the other, especially involving a potential presidential candidate, it serves as an example for the definition of "propaganda".
Noun: propaganda
1. Information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause
Noun: propagandist
1. A person who disseminates messages calculated to assist some cause or some government
Adjective:propagandist
1. Of or relating to or characterized by propaganda
The media should restrict it's involvement in politics to objective/impartial reporting and/or debates. Not glamorizing or glorifying any politician or party.
I don't see how NBC or CNN can be considered as anything besides propaganda outlets for the Democrats. These two pieces on Hillary are clearly designed to enhance her image going into the next presidential election.
So Wolferz why exactly should the Republicans treat these organizations like legitimate media?
Tribesman
08-06-13, 02:46 AM
The media should restrict it's involvement in politics to objective/impartial reporting and/or debates. Not glamorizing or glorifying any politician or party.
You sound like the Australian politician currently complaining about the "mainstream" media..... where the owners of Fox own 70% of the countries newspapers.
So Wolferz why exactly should the Republicans treat these organizations like legitimate media?
Maybe they shouldn't, if you agree to that the Ds should treat Faux news as a team R propaganda outlet instead of an organ of legitimate media too.
After all whats good for the goose is good for the gander if you are going to be fair and balanced.
WernherVonTrapp
08-06-13, 06:14 AM
You sound like the Australian politician currently complaining about the "mainstream" media..... where the owners of Fox own 70% of the countries newspapers.
Fox own 70% of Australia's newspapers? I didn't know that, but what does that have to do with objective/impartial reporting of politics in the USA?
After all whats good for the goose is good for the gander if you are going to be fair and balanced.Absolutely.:up:
Wolferz
08-06-13, 06:39 AM
I don't really care what the GOP moroffs do. Though I will congratulate them if they can finally manage to graduate to moron. Maybe then they'll get out of the business of playing the poor spoiled little rich guys.
Don't get me wrong, I don't favor either party because they both have selfish agendas that fail to coincide with reality and are most likely in collusion with each other on just about everything.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere and applying all the wrong remedies." ~Groucho Marx
Tribesman
08-06-13, 07:46 AM
Fox own 70% of Australia's newspapers? I didn't know that, but what does that have to do with objective/impartial reporting of politics in the USA?
Because its a global issue.
You made a comment which happens to mirror a daily moan delivered by the talking heads on Fox about US "mainstream" media(even though it is mainstream itself).
A look at other English speaking places where Newscorp has a longer establishment brings balance and shows that the complaint is pretty hollow whichever side of the fence it comes from.
The media is a mouthpiece of its owners and editors and will always slant to its owners views.
There is no way round it other than government censorship or banning privately owned media.
Neither of those options is in any way desirable.
Since the alternatives are distasteful in comparison with the current model it means it is just something we have to put up with.
WernherVonTrapp
08-06-13, 08:25 AM
Because its a global issue.
You made a comment which happens to mirror a daily moan delivered by the talking heads on Fox about US "mainstream" media(even though it is mainstream itself).
A look at other English speaking places where Newscorp has a longer establishment brings balance and shows that the complaint is pretty hollow whichever side of the fence it comes from.
The media is a mouthpiece of its owners and editors and will always slant to its owners views.
There is no way round it other than government censorship or banning privately owned media.
Neither of those options is in any way desirable.
Since the alternatives are distasteful in comparison with the current model it means it is just something we have to put up with.
I agree with your view on every point and understood these with my original post (except the Fox bit). I was merely making a suggestion in response to Wolferz question concerning the GOP of the U.S.. Even if a News/Media entity chooses which side to pander to, it still doesn't change the fact that it then becomes propaganda. Maybe there isn't anything anyone can do about it, but I'm not registered to vote on global issues, only U.S. ones.
Ducimus
08-06-13, 08:43 AM
Maybe it's; when the media starts courting one political party (and consequently it's ideals) over the other, especially involving a potential presidential candidate, it serves as an example for the definition of "propaganda".
Noun: propaganda
1. Information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause
Noun: propagandist
1. A person who disseminates messages calculated to assist some cause or some government
Adjective:propagandist
1. Of or relating to or characterized by propaganda
The media should restrict it's involvement in politics to objective/impartial reporting and/or debates. Not glamorizing or glorifying any politician or party.
I don't see how NBC or CNN can be considered as anything besides propaganda outlets for the Democrats. These two pieces on Hillary are clearly designed to enhance her image going into the next presidential election.
So Wolferz why exactly should the Republicans treat these organizations like legitimate media?
I think this is probably the crux of the issue. I never read/watch NBC, but I have been reading and watching CNN for years. It's not until you start looking at more right winged news outlets like foxnews does one realize just how slanted CNN really is, because then you have the polar opposite as a point of comparison. What they both report, how they report it, and the choice of words both use is very telling to anyone with good grasp of the English language. CNN may appear not to be biased, but in reality they are as biased as foxnews. Watch them closely and i'm sure you'll see it.
I also think this bit of news further illustrates the ongoing division in the country.
Wolferz
08-06-13, 10:25 AM
I don't see how NBC or CNN can be considered as anything besides propaganda outlets for the Democrats. These two pieces on Hillary are clearly designed to enhance her image going into the next presidential election.
So Wolferz why exactly should the Republicans treat these organizations like legitimate media?
I will answer your question with another question...
Why should the Republican party be allowed to dictate content to be aired on any network, period!?
They would be well within their rights to complain if this was during an active presidential election cycle. Equal time and all that rot. But, it isn't. So why all the fuss? Are they that afraid of a run by Hilldog?
We have another three years before the next cycle begins the insanity anew and Hilldog still needs to get the nod from her party.
I nominate Pinnochio. At least we'd know for sure when he lies through his teeth.:D
WernherVonTrapp
08-06-13, 11:26 AM
Why should the Republican party be allowed to dictate content to be aired on any network, period!?...
They shouldn't. Neither party should, but as Tribesman and Ducimus pointed out, it is a free press, the networks are free to choose whomever they want to support, and different networks pander to different parties.
Anyway, I don't watch any of the networks' News programs anymore. I haven't for a long time. I just watch the local news and read some AP articles from my home page.
Wolferz
08-06-13, 11:46 AM
http://news.msn.com/us/gop-to-networks-cancel-clinton-shows-or-well-nix-debates?gt1=51501
Pay close attention to Karl Roves' tweet about it and the democratic response.:haha:
Also note one of the thorns that the RNC are crying about is actually an NBC show currently in production. NBC News is a separate component from NBC entertainment.
Threatening to boycott debates if these shows are aired seems grossly counter productive to me.:hmmm: Someone should maybe take Reinces' hammer away from him. That way he can't drive any more nails in the coffin.:doh:
Why should the Republican party be allowed to dictate content to be aired on any network, period!?
They would be well within their rights to complain if this was during an active presidential election cycle. Equal time and all that rot.
...
The 'equal time' conditions have not applied since -- surprise! -- the GOP lobbied and complained feverishly to have the "Fairness Doctrine" overturned. This is just one more case of the GOP shooting itself in the foot with some 'brilliant' idea fostered by the extreme right of the party. It is rather disingenous of the GOP to be crying foul when they are the ones who fouled their nests...
The GOP is currently fighting back efforts to have the "Fairness Doctrine" reinstated. They fear it would be detrimental to the survival of their own 'party organs' such as Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News, et. al. ...
Here is description of the "Fairness Doctrine" from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine
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Wolferz
08-06-13, 01:55 PM
Oh, let them keep banging their thumbs while driving the coffin nails.:D They've only been doing it since just prior to the civil war. A war that I think they were the primary architects of. And now they seem hell bent on designing their own demise.
Let the hot air begin.
Steady on, I don't think it's fair to lay the causes of the Civil war at the GOPs feet.
I will answer your question with another question...
Why should the Republican party be allowed to dictate content to be aired on any network, period!?
Well you're not answering it and they're not dictating anything. The media is free to air these shows regardless of what the GoP wants. That is not dictating.
No the Republicans are just exercising their rights as free people not to associate with organizations dedicated to their destruction, or more accurately threaten not to do so. Do you also think that a klan or nazi run media organization has a right to interview Jewish or Black candidates and host live TV debates? Don't you think those candidates would be well justified in turning a cold shoulder to them? Think about it.
As long as those two "media" organizations (I won't call them news organizations because they have long since stopped being that) want to play favorites then I see no benefit for the GoP to continue to have any dealings with them. Sort of like how the Democrats treat Fox News. I expect the trend will continue as the media continues to become more partisan too so get used to it.
They would be well within their rights to complain if this was during an active presidential election cycle. Equal time and all that rot. But, it isn't. So why all the fuss? Are they that afraid of a run by Hilldog?
We have another three years before the next cycle begins the insanity anew and Hilldog still needs to get the nod from her party.The movie is scheduled to come out next year, just before the midterms where you know that she is going to both stump for the Dems in a big way as well as begin her run for president, and the mini series will go on just before the 2016 election itself with a party approved cast and story. They are obviously designed to enhance her image and her political career. A media invented Rock Star.
You may think you have three years before as you put it "the next cycle" of insanity but you're wrong. The opening salvos of the 2016 election have already been fired. The battle has been joined and it's looks like it will be a bloody one.
I just wonder when the battle for 2020 will begin, probably November 8th 2016 the way it's been trending in recent years.
Let the hot air begin.
I thought that happened when you started posting? It certainly smells like Democrat in here... :D
I thought that happened when you started posting? ...
Pots and kettles...
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Tribesman
08-06-13, 05:22 PM
Do you also think that a klan or nazi run media organization has a right to interview Jewish or Black candidates and host live TV debates? Don't you think those candidates would be well justified in turning a cold shoulder to them? Think about it.
If you think about it it makes perfect sense to allow it.
A black/Jewish candidate would easily make mincemeat out of the klan/Nazis in a live debate as those right wing extremists are just so dumb.
Wolferz
08-06-13, 05:28 PM
:/\\k:I thought that happened when you started posting? It certainly smells like Democrat in here... :D
:har:
Fill a pot with excrement and stir it a little and all the flies come running.
I will reiterate, I don't give a tinker's damn what either party does or doesn't do as long as they're not passing idiotic laws to fit a paranoid ideology.
Every politician and those who back them need to do one thing...
Bend over, grasp both shoulders and pull firmly until they hear a loud pop.
This will indicate that they have successfully extracted their cranium from their rectum.:stare:
If anyone here is one of those folks who is neck deep in rectum, allow me to apologize...
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm NOT sorry.
AVGWarhawk
08-06-13, 05:32 PM
The GOP can do whatever it likes and it will make very little difference. The entire voting base for the hand out Liberals has been locked up over the past six years. It has also grown exponentially. I do not see a GOP candidate winning the WH ever again.
Also, healthcare was pushed like a baby during labor when Hillary was first lady. She will see it through and her speeches will say just that. She will be backed by BO and the news outfits will not say a damn thing about Benghazi.
The GOP needs to find another line of work.
Wolferz
08-16-13, 03:23 PM
They snubbed two major networks for televised debates...
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/16/20052566-republicans-vote-to-bar-cnn-nbc-news-from-partnering-in-16-debates?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=2
I guess they have no interest in ever gaining the big chair again. EVER!:hmmm:
From the article...
"The post-2012 election autopsy ordered by Priebus found that “there have been too many debates, and they took place too early.”
:har: What a maroon! I guess his autopsy didn't mention all the squeaking sounds their candidate made when he walked. Not to mention all the flip flopping and the BS that poured across his lips every time he opened his mouth and spoke.
I really don't know why the GOP is so worried; the film is going to be on NBC, a network whose ratings have been dismally low: often 4th behind CBS, ABC and Fox, and, in some very major markets 5th behind a Spanish languege network. Let NBC air the film: no one will see it anyway...
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Wolferz
08-16-13, 03:51 PM
I really don't know why the GOP is so worried; the film is going to be on NBC, a network whose ratings have been dismally low: often 4th behind CBS, ABC and Fox, and, in some very major markets 5th behind a Spanish languege network. Let NBC air the film: no one will see it anyway...
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They're just after publicity now. Even if it's negative publicity.:-?
What would really be funny is to see every incumbent Republican defeated for re-election to congress next year.
Maybe that's their goal, who knows? Making it all Democrat to stock up ammo for 2016. There's not much a democrat controlled congress can do in two years.
We shall see, eh?
Maybe the GOP is going to play the passive/aggressive "victim" card like Leno did, you know, "I'm the victim here"...
It didn't work for Leno and it won't work for the GOP...
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Or maybe it just recognizes that the GoP can't get a fair shake from these two organizations. They may cry crocodile tears now but it's not like the Democrats haven't boycotted debates on Fox news in the past.
I don't think NBC or CNN went out of their way or even had to in order to make the GOP 2012 debates any more of a debacle than the GOP and their pathetic slate of candidates did to themselves...
And, as I recall the GOP did make some snide and mocking comments toward the Dems over the Fox situation. Is the GOP not big enough to take a little of their own medicine?...
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Sailor Steve
08-16-13, 05:29 PM
Oh, let them keep banging their thumbs while driving the coffin nails.:D They've only been doing it since just prior to the civil war. A war that I think they were the primary architects of. And now they seem hell bent on designing their own demise.
Let the hot air begin.
It already has, and you're a part of it. You can criticize anyone you like, but do you have to bring your personal agenda into every single thread you post in? If you want to have that argument all over again every week, start a new thread. If not, please don't troll.
Glock30Eric
08-16-13, 06:37 PM
GOP is the lite of Liberal.
Dump GOP and establish Tea Party even if we will never win President.
Better to do like this than to be a lukewarm water.
mookiemookie
08-16-13, 06:51 PM
I don't understand why they're picking this fight and taking this course.
Propaganda or no, CNN and NBC are still major media outlets and not getting your message out in as many channels as possible just narrows your audience. If they keep playing this game, they're just going to be blasting their message to the true believers who would vote for the GOP no matter what candidate they ran. Preaching to the choir, as it were.
The GOP is really run by idiots who don't get it. For a party that's supposedly trying to get its "new" message out to people who haven't traditionally been strong Republican backers (young, Latino, urban, women, etc.), they're not doing a very good job.
Wolferz
08-16-13, 07:03 PM
It already has, and you're a part of it. You can criticize anyone you like, but do you have to bring your personal agenda into every single thread you post in? If you want to have that argument all over again every week, start a new thread. If not, please don't troll.
Wait, wot?
Excuse me Steve, How can I be trolling in a topic that I started?
I offered a follow up on the original story along with my own critique.
Is that not allowed?
The topic had scrolled down a few pages so I went and found it and pulled it back up with new information, not a rehash, though it may appear to be.
I'll show Neal the respect he deserves and not topic bomb this forum by starting a new topic every time I wish to register an opinion on a subject already under discussion.
Do me a favor if you would, sir, Just tell me to shut my pie hole and lock the topic if it's causing anyone any heartburn.:salute:
Bubblehead1980
08-16-13, 09:08 PM
This annoys me.Not being on the main channels, fewer people will see the debates, thus allow the message from the Dem side to be the most prevalent. Yes, it sucks that NBC is already shilling for Hillary as they have done for Barry for 8 years but that is how it is, could point it out relentlessly for the propaganda that the shows will be but boycotting the networks, is just idiotic.I honestly think the establishment of the GOP are trying to wreck things, so can blame it on the Rand Paul/Ted Cruz wing of the party(when its the establishment that has gotten us here, Bush years, warmongering, compromising conservative principles, giving in to Dems, not fighting fire with fire) etc etc.
Sailor Steve
08-16-13, 10:36 PM
Wait, wot?
Excuse me Steve, How can I be trolling in a topic that I started?
I offered a follow up on the original story along with my own critique.
Your topic was GOP extortion. I get it. I even agree. My complaint is about once again bringing up the Civil War and trying to make it part of the discussion. This lets you make your assertion about the "evil Yankees" all over again, and no one can call you on it without being accused of derailing the thread. You added a side argument that states your opinion on a different topic, and it can't be answered or challenged within the context of your original topic. Yes, that is trolling, even in your own thread.
Is that not allowed?
Of course it's allowed. It's also very annoying when people throw in little off-topic digs that can't be answered.
The topic is a good one. Your take on it is a good one. It just has nothing to do with the Civil War other than in your own mind, and we don't need another Civil War thread.
Armistead
08-16-13, 11:19 PM
Damn Yankees
The fact that it's allowed and annoys Steve is worth derailing any thread.:O:
Jimbuna
08-17-13, 04:58 AM
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Peace and goodwill this weekend...tis the start of the British Premiership Football/Soccer League.
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Packlife
08-17-13, 07:59 AM
The GOP threatening CNN an NBC is a joke since they have no actual power to pull the debates from these channels, they can ask the debaters to boycott it an that's about it.An the GOP of today is not the GOP of G.W Bush, he isn't far right enough to get nominated that's the GOP's biggest problem, they shouldn't spend their time worrying about which Dem is going to run, they need to figure out how to fix their primaries. The GOP primary is a joke look at Romney for example that guy was not a hard right far right winger, he came up w Obamacare before Obama did, but he had to contend w/ a bunch of lunatics like Santorum an Perry. in 2010 the republicans took over congress w/ all this talk of getting ppl back to work an all they've done is try to tell women what they can or cant do w/ their bodies an now they're tryna make it harder for the "47%" to vote. More than likely Hilary is going to run an will more than likely wipe the floor, w/ whoever the republicans can come up w/. I couldn't believe Romney thought he was going to win after calling half the country looser's
Wolferz
08-17-13, 08:59 AM
Damn Yankees
The fact that it's allowed and annoys Steve is worth derailing any thread.:O:
Oh for shame Armistead. tsk, tsk
It was not my intention to upset you Steve, even though you just accused me of profuse usage of the.... :hijacked:emoticon. I didn't done it. Ever!
Honestly, I wasn't trying to score any points because there's no point. I don't have an agenda either. I was just dribbling a flat basketball. Something you can only do once.
I'm an equal opportunity basher. I'll bash any political party because they're all lacking in intelligence and common sense. But, in this instance, Reince( who the hell names a boy child Reince?) and his followers stuck their foot in the proverbial bucket and now they can't get it off. It's hilarious watching them try because now they're knocking everything over in the janitorial closet.
I think if we get down to the brass tacks, the Republicons are just jealous because NBC and CNN aren't doing shows about them. Where they get the idea that the somnambulant public is going to pay more than a passing glance at these programs is beyond me but, their temper tantrum reaction is very entertaining and definitely leads me to believe that the Republicons aren't fit to lead this country. They have been proving that thought over and over ad nauseum ever since the end of the civil war. I will only give them props for being consistently puerile. If they just bite the bullet and step into another bucket, then at least, their shoes will match and we can hear them approaching while we wait in ambush with the water balloons filled with urine.:arrgh!:
When I say we, I mean me myself and I.:D
Wolferz
08-17-13, 10:03 AM
Of course it's allowed. It's also very annoying when people throw in little off-topic digs that can't be answered.
Why not? I wouldn't have a problem with it. We all know that every thread takes numerous twists and turns before reaching the dead end and the scroll into oblivion. If you wish to rebut my sort of off topic comment, please do so. If anyone, including yourself, feels an overwhelming need to get froggy on me, there's always the PM option.:up:
I prefer peace so I'll try to be more diligent in keeping my posts on topic. Even in the topics I start.:)
Politicians are like diapers. Always full of crap and in need of frequent changing
The babies in the RNC even more so
We'll be needing a truck load of Huggies
Sailor Steve
08-17-13, 11:41 AM
Why not? I wouldn't have a problem with it. We all know that every thread takes numerous twists and turns before reaching the dead end and the scroll into oblivion.
I know, but I hate it when threads get way off topic and I hate it the most when I do it myself, and I do it way too much.
I really don't want to have that same argument again in this thread, just because I know how long it can go on. A place for everything and everything in its place. OCD again. Or is it AHD? ABCDE? Whatever, I already know I'm crazy and really don't like being tempted to prove it again.
nikimcbee
08-17-13, 01:23 PM
Damn Yankees
The fact that it's allowed and annoys Steve is worth derailing any thread.:O:
So is this the annoy Steve thread now?
Another Civil War thread would be kinda cool.:hmmm:
soopaman2
08-17-13, 01:44 PM
Did someone say annoy Steve?
I am great at that.
Kidding:O:
In the past, maybe 10 years the republicans have been burying themselves.
But the Democrats have been spineless through all this, the republican house and senate have absolutely owned anything even faintly smelling of Democrats, and the coward Obama refuses to use his position to push things through.
Love or hate Bush, but he knew how to use the bully pulpit.
Obama is weak, and I consider myself, for the most part, liberal.
Back to annoying Steve, can I cuss, and post pictures from Pete Townshends hard drive?:D:03:
Did someone say annoy Steve?
I am great at that.
Kidding:O:
In the past, maybe 10 years the republicans have been burying themselves.
But the Democrats have been spineless through all this, the republican house and senate have absolutely owned anything even faintly smelling of Democrats, and the coward Obama refuses to use his position to push things through.
Love or hate Bush, but he knew how to use the bully pulpit.
Obama is weak, and I consider myself, for the most part, liberal
Totally disagree.
The Democrats owned all of congress for the first two years of the Obama presidency. They, not the republicans, still own the senate. Bush, the Bully Pulpit not withstanding, faced a completely Democrat controlled congress and was more of a lame duck than Obama is today.
Wolferz
08-17-13, 03:06 PM
So is this the annoy Steve thread now?
No. Sorry. Nothing to see here. Stay on topic or move along.:D
Another Civil War thread would be kinda cool.:hmmm:
I doubt that. Passions seem to run high in regards to the CW.
I ain't starting it all over again:-?
Platapus
08-17-13, 03:21 PM
I doubt that. Passions seem to run high in regards to the CW.
I ain't starting it all over again:-?
Discussions on the Civil War are often not. :D
Wolferz
08-17-13, 07:42 PM
NO CIVIL WAR
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ALLOWED.:D
Or I call Batman.
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CaptainMattJ.
08-20-13, 09:53 PM
I dont see the point anyways, it takes about 2 seconds to realize a lost cause. Arguing politics is one such lost cause. Most people are so intensely polarized that nothing you could possibly say or argue, no matter how true and well thought out it may be, will change their minds.
Its that kind of tribalism that is turning this country into a dump. The people in washington are master manipulators. Most serve their intense greed, bigotry, or biased agenda by rallying people under a false banner or hide behind fallacies. And because people are so wrapped up into their whole GO TEAM attitude they fail to see through those fallacies and thats why this country is in turmoil.
I stopped watching CNN and MSNBC because the polarity became too irritating. My views began to level out into what they are now.
I believe in a fair American society. I believe people should be able to decide who to marry, what to do with their bodies, and whether or not to own firearms. I believe in equal opportunity, but no more than that (i do not believe in amnesty, or racial obligations or special treatment). I believe that a man should earn his living, but also that his life shouldn't be destroyed because of uncontrollable circumstances.
I believe that corporations have only one goal and that is to make money, at whatever the cost. In turn i believe that things like the deregulation of wall street under the clinton administration is the worst thing you can possibly do, leaving overwhelming amounts of money unchecked to be gambled away by banks that don't actually own that money. I do not believe that tax breaks for corporations create new jobs and that they simply pocket the profit. I believe that corporations have monopolized industries so they have no competition and can jack up their prices. Which leads me to my overall belief that we must defend ourselves from monopolies, price gouging, and corporate bribery.
I came to these conclusions after much deliberation, research, and personal experience. What ive also come to realize is that neither party feels quite like i do.
The republican party have put their interest in big business and largely christian policies, and i generally dont agree with the far right wing. I do agree with their desire to prevent the banning of firearms and their opposition to amnesty and handouts.
The democrats hold more of my views but fail miserably to execute. For instance, Obamacare may have dealt with the monopolized insurance companies but failed to actually fix the cost of healthcare itself. $300-to-produce medicine is being marked up to 15,000 dollar price tags. There's a reason our healthcare is the most expensive in the world and its not because were special. Obama has not tried anything to fix this. His views on racism, on illegal immigrants, on his short term stimulus plans, none of which i agree with. I despise the way the democrats have run this state in particular.
And so, in my mind, neither party is "what we need". What we really "need' is a level-headed, strong, and unbiased candidate. Which, sadly, isnt going to happen.
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