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About a week ago I tried sh3 and fell in love with it. Shortly after I became a subsim member because of all the great resources you guys provide for the game and the genre in general. I want to try SH5 but I have heard that it is not great(at least vanilla version). I don't want to know which one you think is better but instead what are some of the main differences between the two games as far as realism, game controls, campaign, etc. If I got sh5 with mods would it be similar to the realism and depth I can get from sh3 just with better graphics?
Sailor Steve
08-02-13, 04:30 PM
WELCOME ABOARD! :sunny:
Here are some of the things I've said about them in the past:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1821310&postcount=5
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1812039&postcount=4
I don't have time to go over all the differences right now, since I have to post from the library and only have an hour to cover all of Subsim, but if your question hasn't been answered by next week when I'm back online for real, I'll give you a full rundown. The differences are many.
On the other hand both are very cheap right now, so there's no reason not to buy both and find out for yourself.
desertstriker
08-02-13, 05:33 PM
the problem with SH5 is that to run the sobers mod soup which is recomended you need a beefy system
Jimbuna
08-03-13, 08:54 AM
On the other hand both are very cheap right now, so there's no reason not to buy both and find out for yourself.
Same advice I tend to give :yep:
Hinrich Schwab
08-03-13, 09:00 AM
the problem with SH5 is that to run the sobers mod soup which is recomended you need a beefy system
To clarify this, SH5 needs a beefy system to begin with. Ubisoft suits never gave the dev team enough time to iron out some of the performance issues in the core engine. The graphics aren't as optimized as they could be and the mods, which add more detail, compound this. A high-end processor and graphics card are highly recommended.
I do have a high-end system, and atm i would prefer SH3 GWX3 + Commander over SH5 with mods!! Not that i'm saying its bad, but when learned to get around in SH5, its too easy to lock on a ship and sink it!
And the bad german language, obviously made by english speaking persons, can make a smile on my face.
Just my 2c:)
Thanks for the replies guys! Well my system isn't beefy by any stretch of the imagination so I guess for now I will be stuck with sh3(which is perfectly fine with me!). I also read that sh5 is more like an RPG than a sim, I don't know if that's true but it makes me lose almost all interest.
Sailor Steve
08-03-13, 01:07 PM
I also read that sh5 is more like an RPG than a sim, I don't know if that's true but it makes me lose almost all interest.
In some ways yes. SH5 has been described as less of a sub sim and more of a captain sim. Many of the problems have been fixed by mods, but while it looks a lot better it still doesn't have the breadth and depth of SH3, and nothing has been done to change that in the last three years.
Jimbuna
08-03-13, 01:34 PM
Thanks for the replies guys! Well my system isn't beefy by any stretch of the imagination so I guess for now I will be stuck with sh3(which is perfectly fine with me!). I also read that sh5 is more like an RPG than a sim, I don't know if that's true but it makes me lose almost all interest.
Bear one thing in mind...GWX was designed to work on the same system specs as those for SH3, the loading times will be a bit longer thought.
The high end specs are usually necessary when large third party mods are added.
... 5 will be the natural successor to 3...in the end. but who knows when that will be, until then
...my heart belongs to 3:sunny:
micheal1983
08-03-13, 09:15 PM
I too think that SH3 is better than SH5. Personally, some of the things I do not care for with SH5 is the manual TDC with that stupid XO panel, the god awful Rec Manual, and Im not a fan of the campaign layout , also you can only sail in the Type VII series of boats. Now what does Sh5 have going for it? Well the graphics are pretty awesome, not that SH3 is terrible or anything, but its nice having a widescreen option, same with SH4. Also there is a ton of people who are modding it with updates almost daily, so it is possible that in the future that all the reasons that bug me could disappear. Finally, the game can be had for between 5-10 usd on amazon, which for what can be done even now with the game, warrants the purchase. I would even tell you to consider picking up SH4 too, even if US subs aren't your thing there are some nice mods available for the u-boat series in that game too, which can also be found for cheap. My recommendation is get all 3 :rock:
BigWalleye
08-03-13, 09:49 PM
...you can only sail in the Type VII series of boats.
Don't forget the Canoes!
SH3 will still be going strong after SH5 has gone the way of the dinosaur's.
Yes I am being bias, very bias. :D :haha:
SH3 will still be going strong after SH5 has gone the way of the dinosaur's.
Yes I am being bias, very bias. :D :haha:
:haha:..:sunny:
Hinrich Schwab
08-04-13, 12:04 PM
SH3 will still be going strong after SH5 has gone the way of the dinosaur's.
Yes I am being bias, very bias. :D :haha:
I am compelled to concur with this. :Kaleun_Salute:
desertstriker
08-04-13, 12:05 PM
SH3 will still be going strong after SH5 has gone the way of the dinosaur's.
Yes I am being bias, very bias. :D :haha:
no you're not being biased its the truth HAHA
AndreasT
08-04-13, 03:19 PM
When you guys say a beefy system, how much is a beefy system?
desertstriker
08-04-13, 05:02 PM
well lets just say play Battlefield 3 on medium graphics settings beefy as a good reference. so looking at the recomended specs for BF3
OS: Windows 7 64-bit
PROCESSOR: Quad-core CPU
MEMORY (RAM): 4 GB
GRAPHICS CARD: DirectX 11 compatible with 1024 MB RAM (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 or ATI Radeon 6950)
Wow, I just looked at some of the recommended mod lists for sh5. That's a lot to keep track of. I found out my comp does meet the minimum requirements but if I need to install 10+(at the minimum it seems) mods just to fix the broken parts, then I think my time will be better spent just playing sh3.
Jimbuna
08-05-13, 03:28 PM
Wow, I just looked at some of the recommended mod lists for sh5. That's a lot to keep track of. I found out my comp does meet the minimum requirements but if I need to install 10+(at the minimum it seems) mods just to fix the broken parts, then I think my time will be better spent just playing sh3.
Play what your computer specs will allow but most importantly...enjoy the experience.
TDK1044
08-05-13, 03:37 PM
To me, SH5 is like a modern movie about a WWII submarine, but SHIII is Das Boot. It's older, less flashy, but full of atmosphere. :)
BigWalleye
08-05-13, 04:23 PM
Released in 1981, Das Boot is closer in age to today than to WW2. It is a modern movie about a WW2 submarine, very different from movies made during and immediately aftet the war, regardless of their country of origin. It doesn't have CG fx, but neither does Ep 4, a pretty modern movie.
TDK1044
08-06-13, 07:43 AM
Released in 1981, Das Boot is closer in age to today than to WW2. It is a modern movie about a WW2 submarine, very different from movies made during and immediately aftet the war, regardless of their country of origin. It doesn't have CG fx, but neither does Ep 4, a pretty modern movie.
To me, the quaint WWII sub movies of the post war era were amusing but really not very realistic. Das Boot is the movie that gave me the feeling of actually being in a U Boat, and it was the reason that I purchased SHIII.
More modern movies often rely on cg fx as a substitute for lack of plot, and such movies are therefore not for me. :)
To me, SH5 is like a modern movie about a WWII submarine, but SHIII is Das Boot. It's older, less flashy, but full of atmosphere. :)
...hits the nail on the head!:up:
...hits the nail on the head!:up:
To me, the quaint WWII sub movies of the post war era were amusing but really not very realistic. Das Boot is the movie that gave me the feeling of actually being in a U Boat, and it was the reason that I purchased SHIII.
More modern movies often rely on cg fx as a substitute for lack of plot, and such movies are therefore not for me. :)
+1:salute:
BigWalleye
08-06-13, 12:06 PM
Das Boot is a strongly anti-war film based on a strongly anti-war book written during the height of anti-war politics of the Seventies. It is no more an accurate portrayal of submarine warfare than the rah-rah jingoistic films of the 40s. The portrayal of U-boat sailors as a bunch of happy-go-lucky youths ambushed by a KM recruiter on their way to watch a soccer match does a disservice to the professionalism and discipline of the German navy. I say this as an ardent anti-Nazi.
YMMV
TDK1044
08-07-13, 05:01 AM
Das Boot is a strongly anti-war film based on a strongly anti-war book written during the height of anti-war politics of the Seventies. It is no more an accurate portrayal of submarine warfare than the rah-rah jingoistic films of the 40s. The portrayal of U-boat sailors as a bunch of happy-go-lucky youths ambushed by a KM recruiter on their way to watch a soccer match does a disservice to the professionalism and discipline of the German navy. I say this as an ardent anti-Nazi.
YMMV
The point I made regarding Das Boot was that it was the only film I've seen that made me feel as if I was on a WWII submarine....not in terms of the politics of the movie, but in terms of the atmosphere created.
The set was constructed in a way that no submaine movie before it had been. It was difficult to shoot, and the feeling of a crampted, uncomfortable environment was conveyed beautifully.
To me, SHIII conveyed that atmosphere pretty well, and the later games in the franchise were less successful. That's why I prefer SHIII over the later versions of the game.
BigWalleye
08-07-13, 06:32 AM
I certainly agree with your preference for SH3 over SH5 (and SH4 for that matter). Just my reaction, but the submarine in SH5 seems too high-tech and cyber. It's like a modern replica of a vintage sports car - mostly looks right, but with A/C and power windows. And no oil drip on your pant leg! SH3, on the other hand, for all its dated graphics and clunky animation (or maybe because of them?) has a WW2, flesh-on-steel feel to it.
Plus, SH5 has a sense of being scripted that OHII can not erase. The man-management is a good idea, but the execution is very canned - after a while, you know everyone's story and how to respond to them, and it becomes more button-pushing. Personalities and back-stories never change. IMO. that aspect would have worked much better if the personal stories were less detailed but more variable.
OTOH, the graphics in SH5 are beautiful. And, as TDW points out, the game engine has the potential to be so much more detailed and accurate than SH3 can ever be. But, for now, SH3 is so much more immersive. It is the difference between role-playing and playing a part in a movie.
Aktungbby
08-07-13, 11:40 AM
In some ways yes. SH5 has been described as less of a sub sim and more of a captain sim. Many of the problems have been fixed by mods, but while it looks a lot better it still doesn't have the breadth and depth of SH3, and nothing has been done to change that in the last three years.
Will SHIII play on windows 7? If so I"ll give it a whirl.:arrgh!:
Jimbuna
08-07-13, 11:48 AM
Will SHIII play on windows 7? If so I"ll give it a whirl.:arrgh!:
Works fine on my W7 OS
BigWalleye
08-07-13, 12:31 PM
Will SHIII play on windows 7? If so I"ll give it a whirl.:arrgh!:
YES! Just don't install it in the default folder, which is c:/Program_Files_(x86)/Ubisoft/Silent_Hunter_III. You can run afoul of the User Access Control in Win7 when you try to add mods. Install to a folder in the root directory, like c:/SH3, and you will have no trouble at all.
Good luck and good hunting!
Aktungbby
08-07-13, 04:52 PM
YES! Just don't install it in the default folder, which is c:/Program_Files_(x86)/Ubisoft/Silent_Hunter_III. You can run afoul of the User Access Control in Win7 when you try to add mods. Install to a folder in the root directory, like c:/SH3, and you will have no trouble at all.
Good luck and good hunting!
Danke Big Walleye!; For serious realism, move the computer to the garage, turn on both car engines being sure to crack the garage door to taste. Place a clothspin on the schnozz to simulate your carbon scrubber gear and have a garden-mister aimed at your back. Don't forget the cat litter box and any amount of cold spam from the can. Have u tubed on the Apple River?
BigWalleye
08-07-13, 05:33 PM
Rafted years ago. Way down sout'!:) We're up nort', you betcha!
Aktungbby
08-07-13, 06:29 PM
Rafted years ago. Way down sout'!:) We're up nort', you betcha!
Figured! Grew up in nearby MN. ( big muskie). Miss the Quetico Wilderness and real 'canoe' trips but not flies and snow( ie.Fargo). Will acquire SHIII since all the subsimmers tout it so much. Can FATS in SHV be set as in SHII? Left and Right turns and 800 or 1600 yards are missing in SHV version of game?. Noticed also that all Olaf's special meals go to keeping my soundman happy enough to do his job! but he can sure find the enemy and mark 'em in a peasoup fog. Thanks again for your valuable imput.:arrgh!:
BigWalleye
08-07-13, 07:11 PM
Best part about winter up here: Fewer bugs! Just the snow flies!:rotfl2:
SH3 has fully programmable FATs. SH3 is as much fun as original SH, with way more capability. Try it with GWX. And I like NYGM for a real "how it was" feel. Pick it up from Amazon for ten bucks, and SubSim gets a kickback. Can't lose.
Aktungbby
08-07-13, 08:00 PM
Best part about winter up here: Fewer bugs! Just the snow flies!:rotfl2:
SH3 has fully programmable FATs. SH3 is as much fun as original SH, with way more capability. Try it with GWX. And I like NYGM for a real "how it was" feel. Pick it up from Amazon for ten bucks, and SubSim gets a kickback. Can't lose.
Roger wilco:arrgh!:
Sailor Steve
08-09-13, 09:27 AM
Pick it up from Amazon for ten bucks, and SubSim gets a kickback.
Only if you get there through the link at the top of this page. Going straight to Amazon does nothing.
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