Never marry an American woman.

[garren]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/22/man-uploads-wifes-explosive-temper-tantrum-on-youtube-one-of-them-has-reportedly-moved-out-and-filed-a-restraining-order/

Entitled. :nope:

[CaptainHaplo]

You could have stopped with the second word in the title and gotten it right...

Never Marry.

Something this guy has apparently learned the hard way.

Marriage is a wonderful institution.
I don't care how wonderful one is, I never want to be put into an institution.

[garren]

You could have stopped with the second word in the title and gotten it right...

Never Marry.

Something this guy has apparently learned the hard way.

Marriage is a wonderful institution.
I don't care how wonderful one is, I never want to be put into an institution.

Yeah, you got a point. Why would a man ever want to settle down with one chick anyways? Aren't we as men supposed to be like bees and pollenate all the fertile flowers by going from one to another? Seems like a lot of bees get themselves entangled in those Venus flytraps.

[CaptainHaplo]

Poly - the lifestyle that few women can deal with and only a rare man can successfully navigate. Ok I really should not get on that topic - though it is one I often to discuss in certain circles locally.

[garren]

Poly - the lifestyle that few women can deal with and only a rare man can successfully navigate. Ok I really should not get on that topic - though it is one I often to discuss in certain circles locally.

With the current family laws polygamy would be worse for a man. Think of all the child support payments and alimony payments to support multiple divorces... :o

Would be better to just remain single, freeze some of your sperm, get a vasectomy and just be a player. That or just pay for a prostitute. A lot cheaper than marriage by far. Prostitution and marriage are the same thing really, ones just short term and the other is long term. Can't be with a woman unless you pay.

Wow! Check this guy out... LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0xoKiH8JJM

[Oberon]

Someone's bored tonight, shouldn't you Americans be in bed by now so the quieter European shift can start?

I feel sorry for Jim having to clear all this up every morning. :doh:

[CaptainHaplo]

Not polygamy - as that just compounds the whole marriage problem along with being illegal.

Poly-amour on the other hand is not illegal. It takes a certain.... attitude (Think D/s) and willingness to be honest when its not comfortable to make happen successfully. It isn't a lifestyle that is for anyone to be sure. Still - it has its rewards (way beyond multiple intimate partners).

[Red October1984]

Someone's bored tonight, shouldn't you Americans be in bed by now so the quieter European shift can start?

I feel sorry for Jim having to clear all this up every morning. :doh:

+1

I think this marriage thing comes down to personal belief systems. There could be a hell of an argument over this...so I'm going to stay out of specifics.

In my belief system, you marry the one you love. You don't marry only to divorce a year later.

You marry the one you're sure about.

There's the nutshell and there's the contents.

[Armistead]

18 years married, through good and bad. Never cheated, nor have I ever had any desire to do so.

This one ever fails, that's it for women, I'll seek a relationship with Steve. Maybe with a lil lipstick and lace, I can
get through it, plus we have a lot in common.

[garren]

18 years married, through good and bad. Never cheated, nor have I ever had any desire to do so.

This one ever fails, that's it for women, I'll seek a relationship with Steve.:D

I will always bless the day my knight in shining armor appeared and rode off with my first wife. :rock:

[CaptainHaplo]

I think this marriage thing comes down to personal belief systems.

Absolutely.

In my belief system, you marry the one you love. You don't marry only to divorce a year later.

Nothing wrong with that if it works for you. However, it assumes you can/will only love one person. What if you love more than one person?

Or even so - more than one person at a time?

For many, this goes to a religious question, others a moral one in which their beliefs are founded on how they were raised. Still, if your not breaking the law, everyone involved is knowledgeable and willing to accept the situation (however it occurs) - why should it not happen?

You marry the one you're sure about.
Nothing in life is guaranteed.

I suspect your fairly young yet, so let me pass on one very important piece of advice.....

Always meet the mother of any woman your serious about fairly early. Because as she grows older - she is going to turn into her mother, so you better really like her mom so you know you will still like the girl in 20 years or so...

[Red October1984]

Nothing wrong with that if it works for you. However, it assumes you can/will only love one person. What if you love more than one person?

Or even so - more than one person at a time?

For many, this goes to a religious question, others a moral one in which their beliefs are founded on how they were raised. Still, if your not breaking the law, everyone involved is knowledgeable and willing to accept the situation (however it occurs) - why should it not happen?

There we go. Somebody else mentioned religion. I didn't want to be the one to drop that bomb.

Religion is really the deciding factor I think. There are also some other deciding factors like how you were raised, how your parents and family acted, etc.

If you're belief system says that you should love one person and if you stick to that belief system, you can at least try your best.

In the end, it's just morals and beliefs.

Nothing in life is guaranteed.

+1

I suspect your fairly young yet, so let me pass on one very important piece of advice.....

Always meet the mother of any woman your serious about fairly early. Because as she grows older - she is going to turn into her mother, so you better really like her mom so you know you will still like the girl in 20 years or so...

I'm still young...yes....and that thought has already crossed my mind. :hmmm: I have time though....being only in High School. I have time before I have to worry about any of this.

Not too worried about my girl problems at this point in time anyway. Too busy. :arrgh!:

[garren]

Absolutely.



Nothing wrong with that if it works for you. However, it assumes you can/will only love one person. What if you love more than one person?

Or even so - more than one person at a time?

For many, this goes to a religious question, others a moral one in which their beliefs are founded on how they were raised. Still, if your not breaking the law, everyone involved is knowledgeable and willing to accept the situation (however it occurs) - why should it not happen?


Nothing in life is guaranteed.

I suspect your fairly young yet, so let me pass on one very important piece of advice.....

Always meet the mother of any woman your serious about fairly early. Because as she grows older - she is going to turn into her mother, so you better really like her mom so you know you will still like the girl in 20 years or so...

I think if society is going to entertain gay marriage we have to allow any and all types of marriages to exist as well. Can't stop there. There's always got to be some new challenge. And if the people don't create one the government surely will to keep themselves relevant. It just never ends.

[CaptainHaplo]

I think if society is going to entertain gay marriage we have to allow any and all types of marriages to exist as well. Can't stop there. There's always got to be some new challenge. And if the people don't create one the government surely will to keep themselves relevant. It just never ends.


The challenge for a poly person isn't society. Granted - it is if you want to marry more than one person, but what if you choose to simply co-habit or simply have multiple "girlfriends" or "boyfriends"? Society doesn't really care what people do until they start trying to usurp certain ideals, like marriage being "one man and one woman".

The challenges for a poly man (and woman as well, I am sure) are numerous:

1) Being willing to risk rejection by a potential partner for being honest up front about being poly.
2) Finding partners who can accept that being poly does not reduce your love and care for them
3) Balancing each relationship so that they satisfy you as well as satisfy each of your partners.

Add in other specific relational dynamics (such as Dominant/submissive) that can often both help and hinder in various ways, and it is indeed a challenge.

As for comparing poly to gay marriage, thankfully a person can be in a poly relationship (however they care to structure it) without causing significant societal division and protests in the street.

[AVGWarhawk]

Sorry, I would have taken her to the lake. The guy cares more about his tires? Perhaps he should sleep with his car. Does he consistently chose to do things on Saturday that do not include her? How long has this been going on that drove the woman to finally throw in the towel? A relationship needs to be nurtured. This guy loves to rotate tires instead. Two sides to this story.

[Wolferz]

That's what he gets for marrying a fifteen year old woman.:stare::woot:

@ Armistead... :huh::har:

Don't do it Steve. I've seen some real knock down drag out fights between same sex couples.:03:

[Ducimus]

Sorry, I would have taken her to the lake. The guy cares more about his tires? Perhaps he should sleep with his car. Does he consistently chose to do things on Saturday that do not include her? How long has this been going on that drove the woman to finally throw in the towel? A relationship needs to be nurtured. This guy loves to rotate tires instead. Two sides to this story.

I'll bet the other side your not seeing, is the regularity of her bullcrap.

From the article:
“After dealing with her drinking problems (“she is on probation for a DUI”),

The women in this video reminds me in many ways of my a girlfriend I had for 7 years. Whom I call "My ex" though we were never married. The part your probably not seeing in this video is how he probably did try through the years, but her BS never improved, and if anything only got worse.

At some point in a relationship like this, you just stop caring, and it's becomes a waiting game to see how much more you can handle before you reach your breaking point, and say, "Ok that's it, i'm outta here". The longer your with the drunken bitch, the longer it takes to reach that point. My breaking point was when my ex almost had me hauled off by the cops for something I didn't do, because she was lying to the police, over ANOTHER one of HER drunken stupors.

ANd no, rehab didn't work. I did that walk with her too.

I'm totally on the guys side of this story. I know what hes going through, and in the video to me, it looks like he really just doesn't give a crap anymore, and i don't blame him in the slightest.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'll bet the other side your not seeing, is the regularity of her bullcrap.



Possibly. Are we seeing the regularity of his bullcrap with items such as the insatiable desire to have his tires rotated? After a 60 hour week he wishes to spend time with his tire rotation. Was there any reason the car could not be dropped off and picked up later after going to the lake. The guy refuses to work with his wife. How is she feeling when a tire rotation trumps anything she might like to do with her husband. Let's blame it on her drinking problems? A DUI? Perhaps it was poor judgement the day she decided to drive after drinking. He labels is a drinking problem. I had a DUI 30 years ago. I do not have a drinking problem. I had poor judgement. IMO this guy it not ready for a relationship that includes a human. He is, however, ready to make nice nice with a set of tires on his car. After all, getting high mileage from your tires is the key to happiness. At least in his world. Sometimes people can frustrate another enough to elicit this reaction. Let's add in the childishness of posting this exchange on U-tube. I'm inclined to believe the problem is sitting behind the wheel in the video.

[garren]

Possibly. Are we seeing the regularity of his bullcrap with items such as the insatiable desire to have his tires rotated? After a 60 hour week he wishes to spend time with his tire rotation. Was there any reason the car could not be dropped off and picked up later after going to the lake. The guy refuses to work with his wife. How is she feeling when a tire rotation trumps anything she might like to do with her husband. Let's blame it on her drinking problems? A DUI? Perhaps it was poor judgement the day she decided to drive after drinking. He labels is a drinking problem. I had a DUI 30 years ago. I do not have a drinking problem. I had poor judgement. IMO this guy it not ready for a relationship that includes a human. He is, however, ready to make nice nice with a set of tires on his car. After all, getting high mileage from your tires is the key to happiness. At least in his world. Sometimes people can frustrate another enough to elicit this reaction. Let's add in the childishness of posting this exchange on U-tube. I'm inclined to believe the problem is sitting behind the wheel in the video.

Priorities man priorities! Tires are more important than the lake by far. If he gets killed with bad tires on his vehicle then no more him and no more lake. Well, maybe she'd still get to go to the lake when she gets all his money from his estate.

First off, he made no promises to go to the lake. Had she and him made plans to go to the lake BEFOREHAND then you'd be right. But he claims he never made any promise to her and had told her that he needed the weekend to get things done around the home. You can tell she's lazy because she should be handling things around the home while he's off working 60+ hours each week.

The outbursts from the woman shows that she uses that same old tired whiny emotional crap to manipulate her man into doing for her. "If you're not going to do what I want you to do, I'm going to SCREEEEEAAAAAAMMMMM!!!" This is the behavior of a 5 year old girl and sadly the behavior of most American women I've met.

The problem with women, especially American women, is their daddies spoil the hell out of them when they are kids. Females grow up learning that males are nothing more than sperm donors and personal ATM machines they can withdraw from any time.

I had an older sister and my father could not/would not let his little princess down no matter what she wanted and when she wanted it. He was just like this father when it came to her...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4

She WANTED new shoes - and he got them for her. If I NEEDED new shoes he would say "What's wrong with the ones I got you 5 years ago?" My answer - "Uh, Dad, I was 5 when you got me those. Now I'm 10 and I've grown and they don't fit anymore" My dad's reply "Well maybe you should stop eating so much" always finished with the mandatory "Go get a job! Money doesn't grow on trees you know! I'm sure someone needs their grass mowed or car washed. Go ask around the neighborhood."

But you know what? It made me a better man. I learned to be independent and self-sufficient while my older sister has slept with multiple guys and uses every single one of them for financial support. Then she divorces them and sues for child support and alimony and she makes enough off the government and the men she's raping financially to support herself now while her kids go without. Yep, she uses their CHILD support money to pay for her own lifestyle. Her kids are still wearing the same old rags they've had for years. You can see their belly buttons now because their shirts are that short on them now. But she's always wearing something nice and sexy - trying to lure and entrap the next sucker in her sick little game.

[AVGWarhawk]

garren
Priorities man priorities! Tires are more important than the lake by far. If he gets killed with bad tires on his vehicle then no more him and no more lake. Well, maybe she'd still get to go to the lake when she gets all his money from his estate.

The wife is the first priority. Period. That is the problem in the relationship. Tires are the priority for him. She is secondary. Cars can be dropped for service. Picked up later. Shops are open as late as 8 pm. Killed from bad tires? This guy loves his tires. That's apparent. He makes very little effort to schedule time for his wife. Did he discuss his plans or dictate them? I guess stroking tires in the showroom for the day is much more fun.

First off, he made no promises to go to the lake. Had she and him made plans to go to the lake BEFOREHAND then you'd be right. But he claims he never made any promise to her and had told her that he needed the weekend to get things done around the home. You can tell she's lazy because she should be handling things around the home while he's off working 60+ hours each week.

Promises were made back on the day he was married. Did he discuss his plans or dictate them? Now she is lazy? You got that from the video? In my home car issues and maintenance is handled by me. She handles food shopping, cleaning and laundry, etc. Her job at home is probably 24/7. Get real man. You also naturally assume she does not work outside the home.

The problem with women, especially American women, is their daddies spoil the hell out of them when they are kids. Females grow up learning that males are nothing more than sperm donors and personal ATM machines they can withdraw from any time.

My my, have we had a poor record with females? I have two daughters. Yup, treat them like princesses. But both are taught the value of the dollar and working hard to achieve things in life. That is what parents are supposed to do. Honey Boo Boo is the exception. I treat my wife like a queen. She reciprocates in kind x10.

Sorry your dad did not hug you enough. Usually the worlds problems are attributed to no dad hugs. :doh:

[garren]

garren


The wife is the first priority. Period. That is the problem in the relationship. Tires are the priority for him. She is secondary. Cars can be dropped for service. Picked up later. Shops are open as late as 8 pm. Killed from bad tires? This guy loves his tires. That's apparent. He makes very little effort to schedule time for his wife.



Promises were made back on the day he was married. Did he discuss his plans or dictate them? Now she is lazy? You got that from the video? In my home car issues and maintenance is handled by me. She handles food shopping, cleaning and laundry, etc. He job at home is probably 24/7. Get real man. You also naturally assume she does not work outside the home.



My my, have we had a poor record with females? I have two daughters. Yup, treat them like princesses. But both are taught the value of the dollar and working hard to achieve things in life. That is what parents are supposed to do. Honey Boo Boo is the exception. I treat my wife like a queen. She reciprocates in kind x10.

Sorry you dad did not hug you enough. Usually the worlds problems are attributed to no dad hugs. :doh:

Some men just refuse to be helped. :nope:

[CaptainHaplo]

The video itself is pretty telling. Watch her antics, her reactions, her choices. Whining, throwing a fit, yelling and screaming at him, texting out to others to make him look bad, etc. She didn't act like an adult anywhere in that video. She wants what she wants and everything else is secondary. Even her "crying" is faked since she never once wipes her face - its all just trying to get her way.

She asked to stop for cigarettes. That kind of behavior would have been real simple - pull over, tell her to get out - tell her where the closest store is and that her childish tail can walk there and then find her own way home because I don't have the time or desire to deal with that crap. Then again, that is I don't marry Mine.

Any healthy relationship (regardless of dynamic) is a 2 way street that must include respect and trust in both directions. It requires a little sacrifice from both sides to make it work. Regardless of all else, the moment she grabbed her phone and admitted that she was texting/posting about what a SOB he supposedly was for not letting her have her way - it showed me that there was NO respect in that relationship and that it was totally over and done with.

[AVGWarhawk]

Some men just refuse to be helped. :nope:

What kind of help do I need? :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Any healthy relationship (regardless of dynamic) is a 2 way street that must include respect and trust in both directions. It requires a little sacrifice from both sides to make it work. Regardless of all else, the moment she grabbed her phone and admitted that she was texting/posting about what a SOB he supposedly was for not letting her have her way - it showed me that there was NO respect in that relationship and that it was totally over and done with.

The minute he started the video recording shows no respect. Then to post it on y-tube really takes the cake. Who is the vindictive childish one of the two?

[Ducimus]

AVG, I don't expect you to understand until you've walked a mile in these shoes.

Possibly. Are we seeing the regularity of his bullcrap with items such as the insatiable desire to have his tires rotated?


Maybe it's been a ongoing problem that has been procrastinated for entirely too long and must absolutely be done now. Been there, done that.

After a 60 hour week he wishes to spend time with his tire rotation.
And if one is working that much, your car becomes not only important, but VITAL. No car, no job, no job, no money, no money no house, no food, etc etc.


Was there any reason the car could not be dropped off and picked up later after going to the lake. The guy refuses to work with his wife.

Again, this falls into how much **** is being shoveled by this women. I tell you what, after being lied to about needing 200 dollars for a dental visit, only to find out the money I gave her was being used to buy more booze and god knows what else, after putting up with a couple too many drunken stupers and having her hit me in the face, and after about the second 5150 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_%28involuntary_psychiatric_hold%29), after working with her in rehab for 30 days inpatient and she still goes back to her old ways...... I stopped working with my Ex too.


How is she feeling when a tire rotation trumps anything she might like to do with her husband.

This may come as a shock to you, but women who think the world revolves around them, are NEVER happy. Watching her tantrum, it's quite obvious to me, she , like my ex, think the world revolves around their desires. It doesn't. There's always responsiblities that must be taken care of as an adult. You can't go off and do la la la whenever you feel like it.

Let's blame it on her drinking problems? A DUI? Perhaps it was poor judgement the day she decided to drive after drinking. He labels is a drinking problem.

Have you lived with a spouse with a drinking problem? I have. It's not fun, and it IS a problem. A lot of stupidty can be traced to it. Poor judgment the one day? HAHAHAHHAHAHHHAH that's a riot. Frankly, i think your entirely ignorant of the situation if your that forgiving of it.



I had a DUI 30 years ago. I do not have a drinking problem.
I had poor judgement.

There's a difference between a one time pooch screw, and someone who has a real drinking problem. I don't think you did, but I know what a drinking problem looks like. Here's a big hint, you can tell by a certain smell in the morning. When someone drinks a lot of alcohol the day before, I swear there's an odor or some oil or something that is excreted out of the skin, and leaves this odd smell in the morning. I've smelled it enough to recognize it.

IMO this guy it not ready for a relationship that includes a human. He is, however, ready to make nice nice with a set of tires on his car. After all, getting high mileage from your tires is the key to happiness. At least in his world.

Again, don't judge a man tell you've walked a mile in his shoes. Not ready for a relationship with a human? What kind of BS is that? I tell you, there is a point where you just stop giving a crap. I can't count the number of times i brought my drug seeking ex to the hospital. At first I thought the concerns were legitimate, standing by her side 18 ****ing hours in the Emergency room, paying the ER co pay out of my own pocket. Fast forward a few years, and i'm dumping her off at the hospital saying something like, "Call me when you get out". A few years later, and she's figured out to call an amublance and complain of chest pains to get seen right away. All this time, I could never quite figure out what the deal was, but I was pretty sure it was all a crock of ****, and it stank. I cared alot at the beginning, but Guess how much I cared towards the end there? I'd have been alot like that guy in the video. Composed, rational, feed up, and just not playing along anymore.



Sometimes people can frustrate another enough to elicit this reaction. Let's add in the childishness of posting this exchange on U-tube. I'm inclined to believe the problem is sitting behind the wheel in the video.

Honestly, if there is a problem with friends and familly being lied to and misguided by this women, then I do not blame him in the least for making and posting the video so the relevant people can see the truth of the situation.

Here's a big problem:
People usually tend to take the woman's side, and abusive women KNOW this.
I have been detained by the police in THREE seperate instances because of this. I was THIS close to being hauled off for things I didn't do, nor have any knowledge of. Thank god the officers involved (some being extreme pricks), stuck with the investigation long enough to find the truth, otherwise, I'd have been in jail for spousal abuse with a criminal record, having done nothing wrong except settling for the wrong women.

I still remember one cops words to this day, " Man, If i were you, as innocent as i was, Im not saying you are mind, just saying hypothetically, I would get out of this relationship right now. If you don't.... man that's just love there.".

Two weeks after those words, and that incident, she was drunk again. I packed my bags and went back to my parents. Best decision I ever made in my life. Now in his case, his wife left, the way i see it, it saved him the trouble of packing his bags at 10 PM at night and hitting the road to crash on his parents couch.

[AVGWarhawk]

Here is the real problem. A five minute video and the woman is 100% at fault for all the ills of the relationship. Most counseling sessions attended to find the answers to a problem in a relationship take hours, weeks and months. In 5 minutes the woman is decided to be the jackwagon. Kind of irresponsible to do so. I'm aware of you old X. You rightly so have an idea that this woman in the video is entirely at fault. But, in good conscience we can not write it off as so without the full story. We did not get that in the 5 minute video.

[Ducimus]

You clearly haven't been in a relationship with an abusive woman with an alcohol problem.

Edit: and I'll leave it at that.

[CaptainHaplo]

AVG - I didn't say she was the only problem.

What I am saying is that her behavior crosses a line in the context of a relationship. Was it childish to record the video? Not if he has been subjected to this consistently. Was it childish to post it on you-tube? Probably - but considering he did so after he had left her and they were separated (pursuing a permanent dissolution to the marriage) then its not exactly unexpected.

If you watch his reaction - he pretty much, as noted, doesn't care. Know why? He isn't invested in the relationship any more - for whatever reason. He is done with her - his mind is already made up. He simply wanted to make sure he had proof of her behavior to help protect himself for the coming battle. If she acts like this with not getting her way - how is she going to act when he leaves and takes his 60 hr a week paycheck with him? Hell hath no fury.... remember.

People don't just wake up one day and throw tantrums like that, nor do they wake up and decide to record one. This has a history which we don't know about. We are judging only based on what we see - and that shows an adult women acting like a child because she isn't getting her way, and then trying to make him look bad over it to everyone they know. Sure, you want to say he is an arse for recording it - ok. But he couldn't be an arse for recording it if there was nothing to record - could he?

[garren]

What kind of help do I need? :hmmm:

You need to stop viewing yourself as a slave to women. You're holding onto the past chivalry crap because you're scared to let go of it. You probably feel that if you don't protect women and stand up for them that you're not a man and that men like me who refuse to be culturally dictated on what my role as a man is are not men. I'm sick of it with the women's movement. I tried to be like you at one time but I got sick of being scolded that I was a misogynist for holding the door open for women. So I stopped holding doors open for women and then I got scolded that I was a misogynist for not holding doors open for women by men and women who think like you. I would be and should be a feminist. But I can't identify with the movement because it's just too gynocentric and does nothing to help men or boys in areas of life in which men and boys are struggling. It only concerns itself with the empowerment of women and girls and women and girls already dominate over males in many facets of modern day life. Females are getting their cake and eat it too. They are cherry picking and dictating how men are supposed to be. They want the old chivalrous fellow like yourself when it suits them. Then they want a man like me that lets them do their own thing when it suits them.

Someone said it best....

Feminists want women to be MORE EQUAL compared to men.

[August]

The video itself is pretty telling. Watch her antics, her reactions, her choices. Whining, throwing a fit, yelling and screaming at him, texting out to others to make him look bad, etc. She didn't act like an adult anywhere in that video. She wants what she wants and everything else is secondary. Even her "crying" is faked since she never once wipes her face - its all just trying to get her way.

She asked to stop for cigarettes. That kind of behavior would have been real simple - pull over, tell her to get out - tell her where the closest store is and that her childish tail can walk there and then find her own way home because I don't have the time or desire to deal with that crap. Then again, that is I don't marry Mine.

Any healthy relationship (regardless of dynamic) is a 2 way street that must include respect and trust in both directions. It requires a little sacrifice from both sides to make it work. Regardless of all else, the moment she grabbed her phone and admitted that she was texting/posting about what a SOB he supposedly was for not letting her have her way - it showed me that there was NO respect in that relationship and that it was totally over and done with.

This ^

I had a self absorbed girlfriend like that once although thankfully not quite as bad. It was an absolutely miserable time in my life and when it finally ended it felt like I had been released from prison.

[AVGWarhawk]

You need to stop viewing yourself as a slave to women. You're holding onto the past chivalry crap from the past because you're scared to let go of it. You probably feel that if you don't protect women and stand up for them that you're not a man and that men like me who refuse to be culturally dictated on what my role as a man is are not men. I'm sick of it with the women's movement. I tried to be like you at one time but I got sick of being scolded that I was a misogynist for holding the door open for women. So I stopped holding doors open for women and then I got scolded that I was a misogynist for not holding doors open for women but men and women who think like you. I would be and should be a feminist. But I can't identify with the movement because it's just too gynocentric and does nothing to help men or boys in areas of life in which men and boys are struggling.


Oh my, now I'm a slave to a women? You're good man. Knocked out my issue in one hour. Saved me gobs of money on therapy. :doh:

It is apparent you have a lot of time on your hands. Perhaps woman are sick of the men's movement(which usually entails a toilet and magazine). I think your energies are best spent on getting the tires rotated. :O:

[garren]

Oh my, now I'm a slave to a women? You're good man. Knocked out my issue in one hour. Saved me gobs of money on therapy. :doh:

It is apparent you have a lot of time on your hands. Perhaps woman are sick of the men's movement(which usually entails a toilet and magazine). I think your energies are best spent on getting the tires rotated. :O:

You're definitely supporting the slavery of men to women with your current views. If you believe the men in the past oppressed women then you've been brainwashed by leftist liberal feminist nonsense. Men in the past didn't have any malice towards women. It was protection and because most people have a sense that male life is not as superior as female life and therefore expendable. Remember the Titanic? Women and children first? Yeah, all those men who froze and drowned so that most women didn't have to were really oppressing them. :haha:

And note that there were many men and women who complained that men didn't do this for the women during that ship sinking off Italy a few years ago. People are torn on the issue now which is a good thing. It shows progression that male life is being given some level of equality to women's lives but there's still a long ways to go. It's just sad that people actually complained that males didn't ensure all the females got off the ship first. This is 2013 after all. Women want equality and I'm going to hold them too it. That means no more favors or special protections from men. No more men paying on the first date crap either. You work now lady, you can pay half. We're going Dutch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4

[AVGWarhawk]

You're definitely supporting the slavery of men to women with your current views. If you believe the men in the past oppressed women then you've been brainwashed by leftist liberal feminist nonsense. Men in the past didn't have any malice towards women. It was protection and because most people have a sense that male life is not as superior as female life and therefore expendable. Remember the Titanic? Women and children first? Yeah, all those men who froze and drowned so that most women didn't have to were really oppressing them. :haha:

Perhaps you should start dating men. With such a distaste for women it is your only alternative :up:

[August]

Perhaps you should start dating men. With such a distaste for women it is your only alternative :up:


I think you're looking for love in all the wrong places AVG. He doesn't strike me as your type!

[AVGWarhawk]

I think you're looking for love in all the wrong places AVG. He doesn't strike me as your type!

:oops:

[Armistead]

Absolutely.



Nothing wrong with that if it works for you. However, it assumes you can/will only love one person. What if you love more than one person?

Or even so - more than one person at a time?

For many, this goes to a religious question, others a moral one in which their beliefs are founded on how they were raised. Still, if your not breaking the law, everyone involved is knowledgeable and willing to accept the situation (however it occurs) - why should it not happen?


Nothing in life is guaranteed.

I suspect your fairly young yet, so let me pass on one very important piece of advice.....

Always meet the mother of any woman your serious about fairly early. Because as she grows older - she is going to turn into her mother, so you better really like her mom so you know you will still like the girl in 20 years or so...

That's more a myth IMO. For one, a girl had as much chance getting her fathers look {body type) as much as the father or even another relative. My wife looks nothing like her mother, she is tall and thin, takes after her fathers side. In fact, she looks like her fathers sister. What's more important to look at is the girls relationship with her father, not the mother. If they have a good loving relationship with the father, they are more apt to be better wives. Girls attitudes towards love comes from their father, that's why they tend to marry men like their fathers, better or worse.

Sure, we have the ability to love many people, that's why in marriage we agree to love only one and commit to that. People should take marriage seriously, because divorce sucks. You better marry someone that can be your best friend.

I think too many feel they fall in love, when it's clear it's gonna be a bad relationship. They try to change the person or themselves. They then stay in a bad relationship because they feel vested. If it's a pain dating, get out ASAP.

[AVGWarhawk]

You better marry someone that can be your best friend.

The reason for the dating game. So, are we to believe this woman in the video was always a raving lunatic and Mr. Tire Rotation found this acceptable thus committing to a marriage?

[August]

The reason for the dating game. So, are we to believe this woman in the video was always a raving lunatic and Mr. Tire Rotation found this acceptable thus committing to a marriage?

That's a very good point, he should have seen this in her beforehand.

[AVGWarhawk]

That's a very good point, he should have seen this in her beforehand.

I'm not saying there are those that can pull the wool and cover up who they really are but.....generally there are signs. Signs the other party will ignore or simply do not wish to see.

[Armistead]

The reason for the dating game. So, are we to believe this woman in the video was always a raving lunatic and Mr. Tire Rotation found this acceptable thus committing to a marriage?

Don't know, didn't watch it. People tend to marry what is normal for them. If you grow up in an abusive or dysfunctional home, you tend to find that dysfunction in relationships. Many people may claim they hate their parents that were abusive or alcoholics, etc., but then marry the same type individual. For many chaos is normal, they know how to function in it. As much as they claim to hate it, they don't ever change.

My guess is the signs were there before they married, atleast for one of them, but ignored. Like a buddy of mine. He met the most beautiful girl, but what a nasty spoiled attitude. It's clear her father simply bought her love. She has some nice qualities, but clear she is spoiled and use to getting her way. She hates her father, but she is just like him. I hate he can't see he's headed for a life of misery if they get married.

Sure, people can seem perfect and marriage go to hell for numerous reasons. Some people simply change. In these cases, if you can't fix it, get the hell out.

[August]

I read somewhere awhile back that when a person falls in love the brain produces chemicals that have the effect of making the victim ignore or dismiss their partners failings. Once the effect dissipates these things can turn from charming to intolerable pretty quickly.

[AVGWarhawk]

I read somewhere awhile back that when a person falls in love the brain produces chemicals that have the effect of making the victim ignore or dismiss their partners failings. Once the effect dissipates these things can turn from charming to intolerable pretty quickly.

I think this phenomenon happens just before sex and immediately after sex. :har:

[Red October1984]

You're definitely supporting the slavery of men to women with your current views. If you believe the men in the past oppressed women then you've been brainwashed by leftist liberal feminist nonsense. Men in the past didn't have any malice towards women. It was protection and because most people have a sense that male life is not as superior as female life and therefore expendable. Remember the Titanic? Women and children first? Yeah, all those men who froze and drowned so that most women didn't have to were really oppressing them. :haha:

And note that there were many men and women who complained that men didn't do this for the women during that ship sinking off Italy a few years ago. People are torn on the issue now which is a good thing. It shows progression that male life is being given some level of equality to women's lives but there's still a long ways to go. It's just sad that people actually complained that males didn't ensure all the females got off the ship first. This is 2013 after all. Women want equality and I'm going to hold them too it. That means no more favors or special protections from men. No more men paying on the first date crap either. You work now lady, you can pay half. We're going Dutch!

Jumping to conclusions again? :hmmm:

That's more a myth IMO. For one, a girl had as much chance getting her fathers look {body type) as much as the father or even another relative. My wife looks nothing like her mother, she is tall and thin, takes after her fathers side. In fact, she looks like her fathers sister. What's more important to look at is the girls relationship with her father, not the mother. If they have a good loving relationship with the father, they are more apt to be better wives. Girls attitudes towards love comes from their father, that's why they tend to marry men like their fathers, better or worse.

Sure, we have the ability to love many people, that's why in marriage we agree to love only one and commit to that. People should take marriage seriously, because divorce sucks. You better marry someone that can be your best friend.

I think too many feel they fall in love, when it's clear it's gonna be a bad relationship. They try to change the person or themselves. They then stay in a bad relationship because they feel vested. If it's a pain dating, get out ASAP.

That's more true than the other one...I think I'll +2 this one.

[Armistead]

I read somewhere awhile back that when a person falls in love the brain produces chemicals that have the effect of making the victim ignore or dismiss their partners failings. Once the effect dissipates these things can turn from charming to intolerable pretty quickly.

Dang sure kept me messed up for years. They should make a pill to counter that.

[BrucePartington]

FWIW, I've learned a memorable lesson with the Florida case (not mentioning names, let it rest, peace).
Now more than ever, I question everything I see or learn, because it's guaranteed to have more to it than meets the eye.

In addition to what has been said here about the mind sugar coating or turning a blind eye to reality, two other options come to mind:
a) she could have some slow progressing mental illness, that wasn't there or was very faint in the beginning;
b) it could also be that over time he simply drove her nuts, playing abusive yet subtle mind games for far too long - he's certainly in control during the recording of her tantrum fit - I've known RL cases;

On a Saturday he refuses to take her wife to the lake, because he has house chores and wants to rotate tires?
Because he can't afford it?
If it were me I'd just bin the to-do list and take my wife out, and even throw in a dine out and a movie.
Unless I no longer loved her and wanted to create a excuse to leave her (not me actually, I just say it upfront in a civilized manner).

I can't help thinking he's provoking her to record her tantrum fit.
This isn't the whole story.

[garren]

FWIW, I've learned a memorable lesson with the Florida case (not mentioning names, let it rest, peace).
Now more than ever, I question everything I see or learn, because it's guaranteed to have more to it than meets the eye.

In addition to what has been said here about the mind sugar coating or turning a blind eye to reality, two other options come to mind:
a) she could have some slow progressing mental illness, that wasn't there or was very faint in the beginning;
b) it could also be that over time he simply drove her nuts, playing abusive yet subtle mind games for far too long - he's certainly in control during the recording of her tantrum fit - I've known RL cases;

On a Saturday he refuses to take her wife to the lake, because he has house chores and wants to rotate tires?
Because he can't afford it?
If it were me I'd just bin the to-do list and take my wife out, and even throw in a dine out and a movie.
Unless I no longer loved her and wanted to create a excuse to leave her (not me actually, I just say it upfront in a civilized manner).

I can't help thinking he's provoking her to record her tantrum fit.
This isn't the whole story.


The guy did say that this had been going on for awhile. He finally recorded it because he was tired of his wife making him out to be the bad guy to all her friends online.

Lorena Bobbitt testified that one of the reasons she cut off her husband's penis is because he never gave her orgasms. And then the judge was like, "Oh wow! What a bastard husband" and gave her a slap on the wrist because he was probably thinking, "I would give this chick orgasms". There's always a white knight to rescue the poor woman. :nope:

Men keep taking the blame for all the woes of women. Why?

It's like men have been brainwashed into believing they're guilty of something and must protect and provide for women at all costs - even at their own detriment like a bunch of willing lemmings. Men like this remind me of the male spiders that fight with one another for the chance to mate with the female. Then the male who wins gets to mate with the female and then she eats him. :doh:

Here's the human equivalent...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huvEARIzQNc

When are these men ever going to learn? :nope: Women are master manipulators/snake charmers playing one male against another for their own lusts for power and control. Adam and Eve? Eve's lust for power and control through knowledge by biting into the forbidden fruit (which is metaphorical for power btw) and then got the easily manipulated male, Adam, to bite into the fruit 2nd. This is why countries in the middle east control their women so much. They know that men either control their women - or women WILL control men. In the west, there's never going to be any equality. It's always going to be women with at least one-uptance over men in anything in life. But men will still be the same - fighting with each other for the women who control and manipulate. Ever heard or been involved in a bar fight over a chick? The ultimate test of seeing who the most alpha male is that's going to be the one she chooses to breed with? None of this came from religion. It came from male/female nature. Religion just understood nature very well and explained it in books like the Bible and Koran which are very similar except for their choice in messiah. But Jesus, or Yesuah, is mentioned in the Koran as a prophet.

All these wars over the centuries blamed on religion when it's really just male nature to kill each other to have access to the most females. And males will side with females in their own demise, hoping to be one of the lucky ones that gets to stay and have the most females to himself.

[AVGWarhawk]

garren:
The guy did say that this had been going on for awhile. He finally recorded it because he was tired of his wife making him out to be the bad guy to all her friends online.

And what has he been doing that has gone on a while? Don't make this guy out to be an angel. She says, in the video, that she gets all her crap done so she can spend Saturday with her husband. He gets his tires rotated.

Lorena Bobbitt testified that one of the reasons she cut off her husband's penis is because he never gave her orgasms. And then the judge was like, "Oh wow! What a bastard husband" and gave her a slap on the wrist because he was probably thinking, "I would give this chick orgasms". There's always a white knight to rescue the poor woman.

There was a lot more in the Bobbit case than that. If that was all there was she would be behind bars.

Men keep taking the blame for all the woes of women. Why?

And on the same token, why do men act like a louse? Let ask Anthony Weiner!

When are these men ever going to learn? Women are master manipulators/snake charmers playing one male against another for their own lusts for power and control. Adam and Eve? Eve's lust for power and control through knowledge by biting into the forbidden fruit (which is a metaphor) and then got the easily manipulated male, Adam, to bite into the fruit 2nd. This is why countries in the middle east control their women. Men either control women - or women WILL control their men.

Two way street. Men manipulate all the time. As for the rest of your dissertation here......it is utter nonsense.


All these wars over the centuries blamed on religion when it's really just male nature to kill each other to have access to the most females. And males will side with females in their own demise, hoping to be one of the lucky ones that gets to stay and have the most females to himself.


Glad that is settled. :yeah:

:doh:

[garren]

http://pinballking.blogspot.com/2013/06/adams-rib-feminist-gender-bender-from.html

[AVGWarhawk]

http://pinballking.blogspot.com/2013/06/adams-rib-feminist-gender-bender-from.html

What does this have to do with the price of eggs in China? :hmmm:

[garren]

What does this have to do with the price of eggs in China? :hmmm:

Nothing. Women and eggs in China are fine. American women and eggs are not.

[AVGWarhawk]

Nothing. Women and eggs in China are fine. American women and eggs are not.

Move to China. :salute:

[desertstriker]

i dated a girl like that once tried to tough it out but to mo avail. she had a drinking problem and was 20!!!! not exactly the same thing but what broke the camels (ironicly here favorit brand of cigeret) back was the 20th+ can you bail me out of jail phone call. I made her sit in jail a bit after that and when i finally arived 8 hours later she threw a tantrum for the everybody to see. now the kicker was i had a nice little app to record phone calls and when she said i said i wouldbe right over i played the 5 minute phone call back for everybody to hear. and had to be that loud so she could hear it because she was screaming after that i told the guy at the desk sorry for wasting your time walked out and left her in jail. this was a year ago and last time i had heard she was sentenced to 2 years in prison for underage drinking and driving while intoxicated.

i really think that the person commenting named Redd has no idea and is a complete idiot at times espectially when he tried to say it was probably the husbands fault for the drinking problems:nope: anyways not going to say anymore on the comments because i doubt anybody read them ( i only did it because it can be funny to see what others say)

for the record
i knew alot of her issues going in but she had tempertantrums like the bimbo in the article and normally 4-10 times a day that i never knew she would have. I had hoped because she was a lonely soul after loosing both parents at a young age grand parents where dead as well and being a foster child that somebody who really cared about her might streighten her out. well i am never going to that again.

@AVG
i have no idea how old you are what other expieriences you have had but I doubt you have dated or been married to somebody like the woman in the video. the article only gives us one side of the story but to those who have lived with someone like that woman its all they need to here as it is all the same. as to your arguments his care was more important than his lady well there are household things that the guy wanted to do to and get done. you know those things that women always get on men about doing IE clean the gutters, mow the lawn, do i need to continue the list? as to him being the bad guy for recording it well his friends didn't believe him and i am sure the courts would not have either. i have seen my uncles divorce and a few friends and when my father worked as a divorce lawyer i was somethimes alowed to come with him. when the man has something like this evidence it pretty much trumps anything the woman will claim because they can't believe her anymore and i have seen some cases where the next day they added security in case there is a tantrum.

[garren]

Move to China. :salute:

Read the reason below.

[desertstriker]

Chinese women don't like black men that much from my personal experience with them. The chicks in the UK wouldn't leave me alone when I was over there. What's up with that? Same thing in Germany and Italy. But of course those women are very much like US women but not quite as entitled as US women from what I could tell. But I'm sure their local men are about done with them. The ones in Italy seemed the most well rounded to me. Hot girls too. But my favorite are those Spanish chicks in Ibiza, Spain. OMG! I never wanted to leave there. Russian chicks are nice too. The mafia in Italy runs prostitution rings out of the Ukraine and I got this one chick for a whole week for $100 Euros. She cleaned my place, cooked for me, and had sex with me multiple times a day for the entire week she was mine. Hot blonde chick. I need to get back over there but the economy over here sucks too bad for me to go. :/\\!!

I think we should all trade our chicks. You can have our American chicks and we'll take your Italian ones and so forth. Maybe they just need to be traded around from country to country every so many years?
Agreed and i mean about everything

[BrucePartington]

http://pinballking.blogspot.com/2013/06/adams-rib-feminist-gender-bender-from.html
Food for thought. I like things that make me think. I am not saying I agree nor disagree with the presented views at this time. But it surely gave me pause to think about it.
Thank you for sharing.

[AVGWarhawk]

Chinese women don't like black men that much from my personal experience with them. The chicks in the UK wouldn't leave me alone when I was over there. What's up with that? Same thing in Germany and Italy. But of course those women are very much like US women but not quite as entitled as US women from what I could tell. But I'm sure their local men are about done with them. The ones in Italy seemed the most well rounded to me. Hot girls too. But my favorite are those Spanish chicks in Ibiza, Spain. OMG! I never wanted to leave there. Russian chicks are nice too. The mafia in Italy runs prostitution rings out of the Ukraine and I got this one chick for a whole week for $100 Euros. She cleaned my place, cooked for me, and had sex with me multiple times a day for the entire week she was mine. Hot blonde chick. I need to get back over there but the economy over here sucks too bad for me to go. :/\\!!

I think we should all trade our chicks. You can have our American chicks and we'll take your Italian ones and so forth. Maybe they just need to be traded around from country to country every so many years?

I'm quite certain that blacks in Europe are seen much differently than in the US. Skin color really does not have any bearing at all(I could be wrong on that mark). What I can not understand is you stating the UK was racist in another thread yet the chicks in the UK would not leave you alone? Need to explain that one!

Chicks are not marbles you trade. The trick is to find one that is, what you would call, normal. Not sure what that is to you. Anyway, they are out there.

[Stealhead]

I'm quite certain that blacks in Europe are seen much differently than in the US. Skin color really does not have any bearing at all(I could be wrong on that mark). What I can not understand is you stating the UK was racist in another thread yet the chicks in the UK would not leave you alone? Need to explain that one!

Chicks are not marbles you trade. The trick is to find one that is, what you would call, normal. Not sure what that is to you. Anyway, they are out there.


You would be correct I spent the better part of a decade stationed in Germany and trust me German women(of course not every single one but many) really like black men.German women where constantly just walking up to my black squadron mates and handing them phone numbers sometimes simply dragging them away.The bad thing in Germany is to appear to be a Turk and the Hispanic guys suffered a little because they where thought to be Turks they learned to say "I am not Turkish" in German very quickly.

I have a few black friends that liked Germany so much they went "native" and moved back once their enlistment up.Anyway in my experience German women are very sexually aggressive and do not follow the rules which Garren seems to prefer.

Furthermore Garrnen mentions prostitution which is an entirely different ball game from a normal relationship at 100 Euros per week that chick probably was forced into that situation as well it being an illegal interprise.:nope: At least go to a place like Germany or the Netherlands where it is legal and regulated and the women are doing that job of their own free will and also earning a very good wage.

[BrucePartington]

I'm quite certain that blacks in Europe are seen much differently than in the US. Skin color really does not have any bearing at all(I could be wrong on that mark). What I can not understand is you stating the UK was racist in another thread yet the chicks in the UK would not leave you alone? Need to explain that one!

Chicks are not marbles you trade. The trick is to find one that is, what you would call, normal. Not sure what that is to you. Anyway, they are out there.
From my POV, europeans don't have to deal with "race issue" hustlers stirring the "race witch brew" all the time. As I see it, the "race issue" in the US exists only because it is being kept on life support by some well known "race" hustlers.

On UK being racist, I disagree. But it's not my place to elaborate on that.
In 2007 I spent an entire week in London. I felt very welcome. Many people from other cultures running their own businesses without any issues whatsoever.
I hope to return one day.

[Stealhead]

On UK being racist, I disagree. But it's not my place to elaborate on that.
In 2007 I spent an entire week in London. I felt very welcome. Many people from other cultures running their own businesses without any issues whatsoever.



London is an international city so you cant judge the attitude of all Englishmen or better yet all citizens of the U.K based on one city.Every society has racism and other prejudice to some degree to an extent it is human nature to favor those that are like you and distrust those who are different.That does not necessarily make it right.

Also you where in the nice areas of London trust me on that one.I went there once on leave with some friends and we where trying to find the Imperial War Museum so we asked this Bobby and she told us the correct route to take and not to deviate because the area was a little Mau Mau.At another point we where in a Pakistani area and you could feel some unfriendly looks not to say that all the Paks where unfriendly most of them seemed to be but I could feel that sixth sense and you could see the unwelcome body language displayed by some and I'm half Persian.

Think about it what does a flag represent?

[AVGWarhawk]

From my POV, europeans don't have to deal with "race issue" hustlers stirring the "race witch brew" all the time. As I see it, the "race issue" in the US exists only because it is being kept on life support by some well known "race" hustlers.

On UK being racist, I disagree. But it's not my place to elaborate on that.
In 2007 I spent an entire week in London. I felt very welcome. Many people from other cultures running their own businesses without any issues whatsoever.
I hope to return one day.

There is certainly race hustlers that perpetuate the tension. Add in the irresponsible media. Crystal Wright can explain all of that

My folks did extensive travels in your. Everyone was extremely nice and helpful. Well, except on in Italy. A Italian woman had lifted my mom's wallet while another distracted her with showing a baby to her.

[Stealhead]

A Italian woman had lifted my mom's wallet while another distracted her with showing a baby to her.


Just street hustlers not just an thing in Italy.I saw a whole crowd of them get tossed from a city buss in Rome Mama and 4 or 5 kids some guy pulled the rope and the bus stopped they popped the doors open and they tossed them right out.What they do on buses is simple brush past you and they can lift your wallet. People on the NYC subways are experts at this they even have undercover cops specially trained to spot and it can be very hard because they are so sly.

[AVGWarhawk]

Anyway, I'm heading out. Getting my spoiled daughters some clothing(for school). And then treating my brood to dinner at the Cheesecake Factory.

I'll hold off on the tire rotation. :O: Don't want any tantrums. :roll:

[Jimbuna]

Enjoy and I'll tidy up in the morning.

[garren]

Furthermore Garrnen mentions prostitution which is an entirely different ball game from a normal relationship at 100 Euros per week that chick probably was forced into that situation as well it being an illegal interprise.:nope: At least go to a place like Germany or the Netherlands where it is legal and regulated and the women are doing that job of their own free will and also earning a very good wage.


The blonde chick I was with was from the Ukraine. She was married and her husband was out of work and unable to provide so she goes to Italy with the aid of the mafia who bus them into Italy and she sells her body for money to take back to Ukraine. She goes twice a year for a month at a time. Takes back about $400 euro each time to the Ukraine which converts to a good amount of money there I assume? Twice a year would be about $800 euro which doesn't seem like enough but it's what she does to provide for her injured husband. The mafia may pay her an incentive as well but I'm not sure. She also strips for them in clubs.

She said something about her husband breaking his back from a fall doing construction work in the Ukraine. She didn't open up to me about it until later in our week together when I got her to lower her defense and confide in me her story. I felt bad about it but she told me not to be because this was what she wanted to do to make money. Then she got naked in front of me and gave herself to me again so I didn't feel too bad after that. There was no pressure from me.

In fact, I didn't just give her 100 euro when our week was over. I paid her the rest of the money for the remainder of the year so she could go back to her husband and be with him if she wanted to. It was all I could afford to do for her. It was worth it to me anyways. A man lends out his woman for other men to use for pleasure so the money was just as much for him I felt like.

She refused the money also when I offered it to her. So I slipped it into her duffle bag before she left. She either got it or the mafia got it. I'm sure she got it. Made me feel better though. But I'm just human and I have needs too and sex and company from women is one of them. I was living in Italy on my own so and I had a job there to do so I wasn't going to go to another country for it. I just needed a woman in my life for short period of time and that's what I paid for. Sort of like the movie Pretty Woman.

And it wasn't just about sex with her or me. I wanted to feel a woman in my arms, feel loved, and dance with her and sex was just the icing on the cake really and I pleasured her back in that way so it's not a one-way street. We went out to a couple of nice restaurants all dressed up and we went hiking one day and we went to the beach one day. We went to a few clubs to dance. It felt nice having a woman devote all her attention to me and make me feel good even if it was just temporary. Did she love me? Probably not as much as she loved her husband but I sensed a connection in our time together. If not, she was a damn good actress. She was always attentive to my needs and she was happy and laughing and having a good time the whole time she was mine.

We went hiking in the mountains one day and we took a boat ride to Ischia and laid out on the beach and went swimming all day together. Was a very nice time for her and me.

[garren]

What I can not understand is you stating the UK was racist in another thread yet the chicks in the UK would not leave you alone? Need to explain that one!

I was being sarcastic about the UK being racist. Well, partially. There are some racists in the UK just like anywhere I suspect. Like this woman who got jailed for her racist antics on a tram...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbcfjtWD8vw



Chicks are not marbles you trade. The trick is to find one that is, what you would call, normal. Not sure what that is to you. Anyway, they are out there.

Why not? What's normal anymore? And why should we conform to this unwritten normalcy you speak of? If there's no God, and religion is all a farce, then who's to tell you, or me for that matter, what the limits of life are? Another mortal man or woman? Who died and made them God over the rest? Just because they were born to rich parents who could afford to send them to the best schools and get the best education all with a silver spoon in their hand? Puh-lease! I live my life for me and no one else. I can't stand royalty and snobs who've had everything handed to them their whole lives.

[Stealhead]

The blonde chick I was with was from the Ukraine. She was married and her husband was out of work and unable to provide so she goes to Italy with the aid of the mafia who bus them into Italy and she sells her body for money to take back to Ukraine. She goes twice a year for a month at a time. Takes back about $400 euro each time to the Ukraine which converts to a good amount of money there I assume? Twice a year would be about $800 euro which doesn't seem like enough but it's what she does to provide for her injured husband. The mafia may pay her an incentive as well but I'm not sure. She also strips for them in clubs.

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I find that story very hard to believe when I know that any Eastern European woman if she so desired could work in a legal brothel outside of Italy and make 400 Euros in one session at 5 or 6 per shift with a client and in a few months she could earn all the money she needed and then some and not have some mob jerk (that I'd put two bullets in his forehand if I ever met him) hanging over her head.Way to exploit you dont even know what her name was if your claim was true and it was so special why did not mention her name or tell the first part of the story from "piece of meat" point of view? All that for 100 Euros? No crime syndicate would ever do that because they are making no profit.

What the real story is is that the mob waste of oxygen tells the girls to make up a sob story to squeeze extra money out of clients of course the girl getting none of it.No doubt the girls are familiar to violence and what happens if they be a liability?They get killed and no one that actually cared about the person even knows what happened.

How do I know all of this? I had a neighbor in Germany who worked as a bar tender at a German brothel and she told me pretty much everything there is to know about the brothels in Germany and the Netherlands.

You are the most contradictory person I have ever seen or rather read.On one hand you display that women are just "marbles" to be traded bet you "feel" for one so you give her extra money how grand of you(not really).Then you say that you only live for yourself yet in another thread you felt that it was wrong for a person who had children to have a risky hobby yet you can only live for yourself despite the fact that you have children that makes about a strip mine dump truck load of sense.

[Tchocky]

You guys. This thread. Pffft.

[mookiemookie]

There's certainly a lot of "pro-gun, anti-poor people, anti-women" around here. This place has turned into a Glen Beck echo chamber.

[Stealhead]

There's certainly a lot of "pro-gun, anti-poor people, anti-women" around here. This place has turned into a Glen Beck echo chamber.


I was thinking more Rush.

[Sailor Steve]

There's certainly a lot of "pro-gun, anti-poor people, anti-women" around here. This place has turned into a Glen Beck echo chamber.
I'm pro-gun.

I guess two out of three ain't bad. :sunny:

[August]

I'm pro-gun, I love women and i'm poorer than Mookie, but I guess that doesn't fit neatly into his little stereotyping scheme.

[nikimcbee]

I'm pro-gun, I love women and i'm poorer than Mookie, but I guess that doesn't fit neatly into his little stereotyping scheme.

Yeah, now that Mookie is "The Man", this could be kinda fun.:hmmm:

Maybe Mookie could pay for the catering for this year's FFL party?

Is 1%er food even good? I guess we'll find out.:hmmm: Nutin but top shelf this year.:woot:

[nikimcbee]

There's certainly a lot of "pro-gun, anti-poor people, anti-women" around here. This place has turned into a Glen Beck echo chamber.

In regards to Glen Beck, that would be more "end of the World" stuff.:haha:

Speaking of GB, Mr Scrooge McMookie, how's you GB gold coin vault these days?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IkZqUWQkV4M/UWd-qOTqgSI/AAAAAAAABkA/Yc_3JpklJxU/s320/3.jpg

(actual photo of Mookie in his secret vault)

[garren]

I find that story very hard to believe when I know that any Eastern European woman if she so desired could work in a legal brothel outside of Italy and make 400 Euros in one session at 5 or 6 per shift with a client and in a few months she could earn all the money she needed and then some and not have some mob jerk (that I'd put two bullets in his forehand if I ever met him) hanging over her head.Way to exploit you dont even know what her name was if your claim was true and it was so special why did not mention her name or tell the first part of the story from "piece of meat" point of view? All that for 100 Euros? No crime syndicate would ever do that because they are making no profit.

What the real story is is that the mob waste of oxygen tells the girls to make up a sob story to squeeze extra money out of clients of course the girl getting none of it.No doubt the girls are familiar to violence and what happens if they be a liability?They get killed and no one that actually cared about the person even knows what happened.

How do I know all of this? I had a neighbor in Germany who worked as a bar tender at a German brothel and she told me pretty much everything there is to know about the brothels in Germany and the Netherlands.

You are the most contradictory person I have ever seen or rather read.On one hand you display that women are just "marbles" to be traded bet you "feel" for one so you give her extra money how grand of you(not really).Then you say that you only live for yourself yet in another thread you felt that it was wrong for a person who had children to have a risky hobby yet you can only live for yourself despite the fact that you have children that makes about a strip mine dump truck load of sense.

I'm convinced that you'd hate my guts no matter what I said or did Stealhead. If I try to be nice to a woman and give her extra money you don't think I'm being nice enough to her. So giving a woman 700 euro on top of the 100 euro required to have her for the week wasn't more than generous of me?

Oh, I see, you don't think I should have even gone out to get a woman at all! Only nice guys like yourself are supposed to have teh women.

And then when I speak the truth about the nature of women you get all puffed up like you're ready to defend their honor like a real Capt. save-a-ho.

You know what I think? I think women got you wrapped around their little fingers Stealhead. Yeah, I'm a player of women (aka womanizer) and I don't feel too damn bad about it. And I know you hate my guts for it because you think you're a such a nice guy and women should be loving guys like you. But the reality is you're too afraid to admit to yourself that you've been played by them, because that would emasculate the hell out of you.

The reality is most women today HATE nice guys like you because they know you're most likely not really that nice at all and it's just an act to cover up your real feelings. A lot of those "nice guys" turn out to be the biggest rapists and creeps in the world.

Fact - Women understand men much better than we understand them.

So when you're just honest like me to them then you get further with them because they appreciate an honest man who's true to his nature more than a man hiding behind that old fashioned horse crap for rapists and pedophiles and closet homosexuals to hide behind.

Men like me show women our honesty and tell them straight up what we want with them and what we want to do with them. I'll admit, it's vulgar and obscene, but that comes across to them as safe because that's what they expect from a real man. A man that's not afraid to speak his mind and is completely honest with them from the start. They know what they're getting and believe it or not - the dirty talk turns them on. Gets them all hot and bothered. Women LOVE dominant men who take control and are not afraid to lead them. They want to be controlled and told what to do. Not all women but certainly the majority of them. There are some women that prefer submissive men they can control - probably women who've been abused as children by their fathers.

But most women prefer a dominant alpha male and if a woman thinks she's got a bigger set than you - you're never going to get anything from her but friend-zoned at the most. And once you go there you never get out and it will drive you mad if you had hopes of ever having something more with her. A lot of date rapists are males who were friend-zoned. They spike a woman's drink or get her drunk and get her in the sack. Most rapists are men that women know well - most of them are guys in the woman's friend-zone.

Don't be friend-zoned Stealhead. Take the bull by the horns and own it. And don't knock another brother in the struggle. There's plenty of women for us all and I'm all in favor of trading them around by only dating them for short stints and then kicking them to the curb for the next brother to hook up with. The only thing that tells you to settle down with one woman is that outdated marriage nonsense from the Victorian era that got men to get down on their knees and propose to women and be "gentlemen" and serenade and romance women. This turned men into slaves to women. A married man is owned by his woman. He might think he's the one in control or the head of his home but that's what he tells himself so he doesn't feel emasculated in the fact that he's really her b-word and slaving away for her.

And honestly I'm trying to liberate some of you men but you just won't listen and are too strung up by a social system that's oppressing you! In this world you either own women or they own you. And no woman likes a toy for too long. This is why our divorce rates are so high and usually initiated by the woman in the relationship. The "nice guy" is just boring to them. You don't give the sex or dominance they crave. You don't make them feel like women. You make them feel like "the man" who dominates over you. And that's not what they want.

[Sailor Steve]

Okay, this is getting way too personal. You both need to stop right here, or you'll both be taking time out to cool off.

[CaptainHaplo]

Well, I can't match Garren's story. Closest I ever came was getting thrown out of a whorehouse in Germany. Was funny though.

I have to ask something of Mookie - why do you see this thread as "anti-poor" and "anti-women"?

[AVGWarhawk]

And honestly I'm trying to liberate some of you men but you just won't listen and are too strung up by a social system that's oppressing you! In this world you either own women or they own you. And no woman likes a toy for too long. This is why our divorce rates are so high and usually initiated by the woman in the relationship. The "nice guy" is just boring to them. You don't give the sex or dominance they crave. You don't make them feel like women. You make them feel like "the man" who dominates over you. And that's not what they want.

The problem here is not recalling anyone asking to be liberated. I don't recall anyone stating they are oppressed by a pair of breasts and require coaching from you. I really don't know what play book you use but my experience seeing women longing for the dominant demanding male are abusive relationships. My sister in law fits the bill to a tee. She is now a roaring alcoholic that is OK with her failing marriage, unruly delinquent kids, loser of a dominant husband, has moved from rental property to rental property just about monthly and does not know where her next meal is coming from. She always gravitated to the asshat dominant male. Each time an abusive relationship. Physically, mentally and sexually. Most times the male nothing more than a mooch. Keep your playbook. It's deranged at best.

[garren]

The problem here is not recalling anyone asking to be liberated. I don't recall anyone stating they are oppressed by a pair of breasts and require coaching from you. I really don't know what play book you use but my experience seeing women longing for the dominant demanding male are abusive relationships. My sister in law fits the bill to a tee. She is now a roaring alcoholic that is OK with her failing marriage, unruly delinquent kids, loser of a dominant husband, has moved from rental property to rental property just about monthly and does not know where her next meal is coming from. She always gravitated to the asshat dominant male. Each time an abusive relationship. Physically, mentally and sexually. Most times the male nothing more than a mooch. Keep your playbook. It's deranged at best.


I think you watch too much Lifetime channel. :hmmm:

But I do agree with Sean Connery's views...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA

[CaptainHaplo]

She always gravitated to the asshat dominant male. Each time an abusive relationship. Physically, mentally and sexually. Most times the male nothing more than a mooch. Keep your playbook. It's deranged at best.

Rant warning - launching in 5....4.....3.....2....1....

As a Dominant and a Male - I am going to ask you to point out one thing to her next time you talk. Let her know it comes from someone who has decades of experience in the BDSM lifestyle....

Dominant does NOT mean domineering.

The punk wannabe's your describing are not Dominant - though people claim all kinds of things. Being Dominant isn't about telling someone else what to do, or overriding their will with your own.

Dominance starts at home, with self control and control of your life. That means any woman looking for a true Dominant needs to look at how he lives his life. Are his bills paid, is he in a stable job, is he respected by those around him? Being Dominant is a mindset that creates a personal standard for ourselves that we must live up to, before we ever consider guiding another.

Where I live there is a rather active BDSM community - one I am a respected member of. I actually am the owner of our "entryway" group, which is a designed launching point for new folks (or just new to our neck of the woods). Often, I mentor new "dom types" to help them see that "being D" isn't about what we do, its about who we ARE. I always point out one very important thing for them to think about....

If a man cannot control himself or his life, how can a woman ever trust him to control her or her life?

Now - not all Dom's are male and not all subs are female. So usually it is not gender specific, but in this case it would be....

Maybe I took the term "dominant" wrong in how you meant it - but if I didn't, also encourage her to look into her own local community - often it can help people see the vast differences between the fakes who are looking to mooch or simply score, with those of us who take our own Dominance seriously.

One final note - Dominant and submissive are roles, but they still rest on mutual respect. That is right - a good D respects submissives - and cherishes their own sub (s). A Dominant does not demand submission, for he or she has no need to do so... A Dominant INSPIRES submission.

[Takeda Shingen]

I think you watch too much Lifetime channel. :hmmm:

But I do agree with Sean Connery's views...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA

I don't know, maybe if you watched a little more Lifetime channel you'd still have your relationship instead of being angry on the internet all day.

[desertstriker]

I don't know, maybe if you watched a little more Lifetime channel you'd still have your relationship instead of being angry on the internet all day.
there is nothing lifetime about lifetime atleast last time i turned it on and that was a little over a year ago. but judging from what i see in the tv guide it still has the garbage reality TV shows which are far from reality. of cource many people eat the garbage up. look at survivor same show over and over again diferent people.

[Takeda Shingen]

there is nothing lifetime about lifetime atleast last time i turned it on and that was a little over a year ago. but judging from what i see in the tv guide it still has the garbage reality TV shows which are far from reality. of cource many people eat the garbage up. look at survivor same show over and over again diferent people.

The point is that given his track record, garren isn't exactly the best candidate to give relationship advice. Right? Right.

[Armistead]

The point is that given his track record, garren isn't exactly the best candidate to give relationship advice. Right? Right.

I'm just glad I survived my player days. Playing around with prostitutes and women players a good way to get a dose of HIV. Not real smart.

[garren]

I don't know, maybe if you watched a little more Lifetime channel you'd still have your relationship instead of being angry on the internet all day.

I have a relationship with several women right now. Just had dinner with one earlier this evening. :O:

I'm not angry about anything really except seeing men moan and groan about why divorce sucks and how it sucks getting financially raped in court by women or arguing why the westernized world is in the slump it's in when they are all supporting the system that is screwing them from behind. It's this old and outdated gentlemen's code of being a chivalrous white knight that's helping to propel the very social movement that's made much of the problems for men to exist in the first place.

Hey check this out...

Why is it that back in 1950 (when women were so oppressed by those evil menfolk) that they were happier? If feminism has empowered women so much then why wasn't there much of any vulgarity aimed at women THEN compared to today? Like, back then, women were not referred to as the b-word, hos, sluts, whores, c-word, etc but today it's so common to hear these words when talking about women? Women hold "slutwalks" today so they can walk around practically nude in the streets and this is supposed to be empowering to women but they scold men who look at them in a sexual way. You should feel like a well trained dog. You can look doggy, but you better not bite.

And the vulgarity in music compared to the music back then is amazingly crude is it not? The music of today is so angry and aggressive and hateful. How about Lily Allen's song "Smile". Seems innocent enough right? But watch the video... It's anything but innocent and nice. It's just evil hate music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WxDrVUrSvI

And this type of music today is reflected by society's anger and hatred because these modern times suck for everyone. Women back in the 1950s were treated very well and respected for raising families in the home. Men saw the equality in it. A man works and a woman stays home. Two equally important roles that are needed to raise happy healthy children. Today that's almost all gone. There's more children being born to single mom's than to couples today. And that's taking a huge toll on the social welfare system which is bankrupting society.

Someone (the government under the order of the Rockefellers and Rothschild's) convinced women that they were oppressed and needed to up rise against their evil male oppressors (the same evil male oppressors who gave their lives so women could live on ships like the Titanic and those evil male oppressors who fought on the beaches of Normandy so women wouldn't have to). There's incentive for the government and large corporations to have women and men competing viciously against each other for jobs. More tax revenue for government allows for bigger government which allows for more control over the people it governs. Corporations get the benefit of having tons of applicants to choose from to work for them at cheaper wages. It's all about who's willing to work for the least amount. Back in the 1950s and before, corporations were in demand of people (men) to work for them and paid good money to their employees. A man could provide for his entire family, had extra money for the kids for college, and could save money for vacations and retirement. Today, people are in demand for corporations to hire them and the wages are barely enough to keep your head above water. People are living from paycheck to paycheck and have no money to save, no money to repair their homes, no money for college, no money for insurance, etc. and people today are working even more hours than the men in the 1950s.

And lets look at what's happening to the kids. Man goes to work and wife goes to work. Kids go to daycare where they are indoctrinated into the feminist ideology and to support socialism. Boys are punished for being rowdy and put on mind altering drugs like Ritalin because their female teachers can't handle the boys natural hyper aggressive behavior. Girls are given better grades because grades are subjective to what the teacher wants to give the children so quite naturally women teachers are going to mark up girl's based on behavior alone and maybe even for having better handwriting. Boys grow up in this environment feeling neglected and hated and then when they go to school and shoot everyone up people act like they don't know why? Back when most school teachers were men, boys outperformed girls in school. This is because male teachers can handle boys and teach them in ways boys learn. Female teachers teach girls in ways that girls learn better. Boys are at a huge disadvantage. Read the book - "The war against boys" by Christina Hoff Summers. She explains it all in great detail. Very informative book.

Anyways, I'm here to educate folks on what's happening to our society and why it's failing. There's a lot of dynamics involved so it not any one particular thing that's totally responsible but feminism and political correctness has a lot to do with it.

And if it's not reversed then it's only going to get worse and the westernized world is going to collapse and fall the exact same way as Rome did - under it's own weight. Same thing with Sodom and Gomorrah and Israel and many others from the past who indulged in political correctness, socialism, and ideologies spawned from socialism like feminism.

[AVGWarhawk]

Rant warning - launching in 5....4.....3.....2....1....

As a Dominant and a Male - I am going to ask you to point out one thing to her next time you talk. Let her know it comes from someone who has decades of experience in the BDSM lifestyle....

Dominant does NOT mean domineering.

The punk wannabe's your describing are not Dominant - though people claim all kinds of things. Being Dominant isn't about telling someone else what to do, or overriding their will with your own.

Dominance starts at home, with self control and control of your life. That means any woman looking for a true Dominant needs to look at how he lives his life. Are his bills paid, is he in a stable job, is he respected by those around him? Being Dominant is a mindset that creates a personal standard for ourselves that we must live up to, before we ever consider guiding another.

Where I live there is a rather active BDSM community - one I am a respected member of. I actually am the owner of our "entryway" group, which is a designed launching point for new folks (or just new to our neck of the woods). Often, I mentor new "dom types" to help them see that "being D" isn't about what we do, its about who we ARE. I always point out one very important thing for them to think about....

If a man cannot control himself or his life, how can a woman ever trust him to control her or her life?

Now - not all Dom's are male and not all subs are female. So usually it is not gender specific, but in this case it would be....

Maybe I took the term "dominant" wrong in how you meant it - but if I didn't, also encourage her to look into her own local community - often it can help people see the vast differences between the fakes who are looking to mooch or simply score, with those of us who take our own Dominance seriously.

One final note - Dominant and submissive are roles, but they still rest on mutual respect. That is right - a good D respects submissives - and cherishes their own sub (s). A Dominant does not demand submission, for he or she has no need to do so... A Dominant INSPIRES submission.

That's all well and good, however, garren states the nice guy is boring them(women). Well, if they are not nice that would make them mean and respect for dominant and submissive roles as you put it go out the window. This then is an abusive relationship. Perhaps your rant would have been better spent on the single notion of garrens that women find nice guys boring. From my experience noted about my sister in law, garren is 100% right, nice guys bored her. Abusive dominant males she craved. She dated nice stable, goal oriented men only to drop them for the man who's future prospects included couch potato and mooching. I really don't think garren is discussing BDSM. According to garren, nice guys finish last.

[desertstriker]

well AVG from a stand point garren is correct that the nice guys finish last. a prime example being nice nerds/geeks vs the jerk jocks in a high school enviroment. 9 times out of 10 the jocks get the good looking girls or the popular ones. while the nerds get well the leftover unatractive ones if they get a girl at all. now fast forward 20-30 years the old jocks don't have the girls anymore while the nerds/geeks well if they are lucky they have money but in turn they have become the new jerks and have "finished". or they are still at the bottom of the socal scale and still "trying to finish"

[Red October1984]

I don't know, maybe if you watched a little more Lifetime channel you'd still have your relationship instead of being angry on the internet all day.

A bit Off Topic...but can you picture somebody steaming mad all day...sitting down?

I can't.

0800 "I'M PISSED! AH!! I WANT TO PUNCH A HOLE IN THE WALL"

1530 "YOU IDIOT! CAN'T YOU SEE I'M MAD!"

0100 "STILL PISSED THE HELL OFF. HAVEN'T SLEPT IN 3 DAYS"

Makes me laugh trying to picture that and how that person goes about their day.

Continue with the regularly scheduled thread. :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

well AVG from a stand point garren is correct that the nice guys finish last. a prime example being nice nerds/geeks vs the jerk jocks in a high school enviroment. 9 times out of 10 the jocks get the good looking girls or the popular ones. while the nerds get well the leftover unatractive ones if they get a girl at all. now fast forward 20-30 years the old jocks don't have the girls anymore while the nerds/geeks well if they are lucky they have money but in turn they have become the new jerks and have "finished". or they are still at the bottom of the socal scale and still "trying to finish"

Prime example is high school? Spare me the details of the dismal puberty experienced in high school. :88) Just what are they trying to finish?

[Platapus]

Dominant does NOT mean domineering.



One final note - Dominant and submissive are roles, but they still rest on mutual respect. That is right - a good D respects submissives - and cherishes their own sub (s). A Dominant does not demand submission, for he or she has no need to do so... A Dominant INSPIRES submission.

People not familiar with the BDSM lifestyle may have a problem understanding this.

A well written post. :up:

[Platapus]

I'm here to educate folks on what's happening to our society and why it's failing.

1. As others have posted, no one has asked you to "educate" anyone
2. You have not established any credibility on why anyone would want to be "educated" by you.
3. You have not established that you have any education or experience in sociology or any related field that would give you the information necessary to "educate" anyone on any society.
4. The manner in which you try to "educate" people on this forum does not bode well for your capability to educate anyone.

What you are good at is stating your opinions. That's great :up: That is one of the purposes of GT-- to allow people to state their opinions. But never confuse stating opinions with education. :nope:

They are not the same.

[Sailor Steve]

Like, back then, women were not referred to as the b-word, hos, sluts, whores, c-word, etc but today it's so common to hear these words when talking about women? Women hold "slutwalks" today so they can walk around practically nude in the streets and this is supposed to be empowering to women but they scold men who look at them in a sexual way.
For the simple reason that back in the 1950s nobody used that kind of language in public. Just because women didn't talk about it then doesn't mean they were happier.

Women back in the 1950s were treated very well and respected for raising families in the home. Men saw the equality in it. A man works and a woman stays home. Two equally important roles that are needed to raise happy healthy children. Today that's almost all gone.
A nice cozy little fantasy that never existed. Women were trapped in a second-class existence, not allowed to be more than a secretary in an office or a salesgirl in a store. Not allowed to progress in business unless they inherited a lot of money and could afford to buy their way in. As late as the 1980s women still had a very hard time getting promoted, more often having to leave one company and move to another if they wanted to progress at all. No, they weren't happier then.

(the same evil male oppressors who gave their lives so women could live on ships like the Titanic and those evil male oppressors who fought on the beaches of Normandy so women wouldn't have to).
It's my belief that the predjudice toward saving women and keeping them out of combat is biological. A surviving male can impregate many women. I surviving female can only give birth roughly once per year. We therefore place a higher value on the preservation of females.

Males are in general bigger and stronger than females. We also tend to place a value on knowing that our children are indeed ours, which leads to a tendency to keep our women tied to a place where we can be reasonably sure that they aren't being approached by rival males. This leads to keeping women locked into a situation where their fates and fortunes are tied to the man's. The men are indeed happier with the system you claim to long for. That doesn't mean the women are also happier or better off. You're missing a past that never existed.

Back in the 1950s and before, corporations were in demand of people (men) to work for them and paid good money to their employees. A man could provide for his entire family, had extra money for the kids for college, and could save money for vacations and retirement. Today, people are in demand for corporations to hire them and the wages are barely enough to keep your head above water. People are living from paycheck to paycheck and have no money to save, no money to repair their homes, no money for college, no money for insurance, etc. and people today are working even more hours than the men in the 1950s.
So the declining economy is all the fault of women wanting to work for themselves?

Back when most school teachers were men, boys outperformed girls in school. This is because male teachers can handle boys and teach them in ways boys learn. Female teachers teach girls in ways that girls learn better.
When was this magical time? I am a child of the '50s, and I don't recall having a male teacher until seventh grade. Laura Wilder was a school teacher in the 1880s. So were many women, as it was the only job they were allowed to hold.

Boys are at a huge disadvantage. Read the book - "The war against boys" by Christina Hoff Summers. She explains it all in great detail. Very informative book.
That is one item I won't disagree on. It doesn't, however, stem from "allowing" women to hold real jobs.

Anyways, I'm here to educate folks on what's happening to our society and why it's failing. There's a lot of dynamics involved so it not any one particular thing that's totally responsible but feminism and political correctness has a lot to do with it.[quote]
It looks like you need a little education yourself. You seem to be in the habit of giving your isolated opinions as if they were established facts, when they are nothing of the kind.

[quote]And if it's not reversed then it's only going to get worse and the westernized world is going to collapse and fall the exact same way as Rome did - under it's own weight. Same thing with Sodom and Gomorrah and Israel and many others from the past who indulged in political correctness, socialism, and ideologies spawned from socialism like feminism.
I agree that there are problems that need to be addressed, but Sodom and Gomorrah and ancient Israel were PC? Socialist? You need to show at least a tiny shred of evidence to support a claim like that.

[Platapus]

An interesting read is The Fifties by David Halberstam


There are a lot of misconceptions concerning how happy and satisfied people were in the 1950's. Life in the '50's was not like it was portrayed on TV shows.

[frau kaleun]

So the declining economy is all the fault of women wanting to work for themselves?

For men who can't tolerate the fact that many if not most women they encounter are financially independent enough not to tolerate their crap in exchange for the promise of economic security they might provide, it's just another BS reason to argue that things were better when the wimminz knew their place and had little choice but to stay in it.

Very often the same men will then turn around and complain that women are nothing but golddiggers who only see them as a meal ticket. So... they want to keep women financially dependent on men, but don't want the size of their wallet to factor into their perceived suitability as mates. Sense: this makes none. :O:

But it's a common part of the usual Nice Guy (http://community.feministing.com/2011/11/13/regarding-nice-guys-and-why-women-only-date-jerks-a-critique-of-a-masculine-victim-cult/) Lament (http://icedteaandlemoncake.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/feminsim-101-nice-guy-syndrome/), which typically revolves around some self-proclaimed "nice guy" railing at some woman (or all women) for not giving him what he believes he's entitled to: love, sex, a girlfriend, a wife, etc. What the "nice guy" fails to realize is that he's not entitled to any of it and whether he truly is nice or a complete asshat is irrelevant to that fact.

[AVGWarhawk]

Nice article but I'm a bit lost when you suggest, as the article does, that the good guy feels entitled to sex. She explains that not all women are the same yet it would seem the "nice guy" feels entitled. Are all men then the same in her eyes? It would seem so. :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

An interesting read is The Fifties by David Halberstam


There are a lot of misconceptions concerning how happy and satisfied people were in the 1950's. Life in the '50's was not like it was portrayed on TV shows.

June Cleaver did not greet Mr. Cleaver at the door every evening with pipe, slippers and paper dressed in her Sunday's best? All these years...hoodwinked. :shifty:

[garren]

For men who can't tolerate the fact that many if not most women they encounter are financially independent enough not to tolerate their crap in exchange for the promise of economic security they might provide, it's just another BS reason to argue that things were better when the wimminz knew their place and had little choice but to stay in it.

Very often the same men will then turn around and complain that women are nothing but golddiggers who only see them as a meal ticket. So... they want to keep women financially dependent on men, but don't want the size of their wallet to factor into their perceived suitability as mates. Sense: this makes none. :O:

But it's a common part of the usual Nice Guy (http://community.feministing.com/2011/11/13/regarding-nice-guys-and-why-women-only-date-jerks-a-critique-of-a-masculine-victim-cult/) Lament (http://icedteaandlemoncake.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/feminsim-101-nice-guy-syndrome/), which typically revolves around some self-proclaimed "nice guy" railing at some woman (or all women) for not giving him what he believes he's entitled to: love, sex, a girlfriend, a wife, etc. What the "nice guy" fails to realize is that he's not entitled to any of it and whether he truly is nice or a complete asshat is irrelevant to that fact.

Most women in the US are not financially independent. They swapped men for government because government and feminism forced women into the workforce which in turned allowed companies to lower the wages for men and women because more applicants means companies can select the most qualified person for the least amount of money. Now, neither men or women make enough to support a family all on their lone income except the very few. Women still have children though (single moms) and they take a handout from the man they had a child with and another handout from Uncle Sam. That's not independence at all. It's just a society that's willing to allow single motherhood to exist even though it's draining the nation financially. It's just made more economical sense to have women in the home raising their own children and men off working to provide for their families. There is equality in that because both functions are equally important for raising healthy, happy, children.

Your argument looks like you do feel entitled to men's money. There seems to be some resentment in your words towards men who aren't paying women and/or for challenging the status quo.

I don't think men have a problem with women having her own money. Hell, I think it's every man's fantasy to have a rich woman with a knock out body that provides him sex and financial support. I've noticed a lot of women these days making claims that "men can't handle strong, independent women, who have more money than themselves" but I don't think that's nearly as true as women not being able to handle men who make less than themselves. Women hate feeling like "the man" in the relationship. Women want to marry up - not down.

Men have shown throughout history they are willing to marry down. Women on the other hand rarely seem willing to marry down. They usually try to marry up. It's my personal experience that women hate paying for dates as well - especially the first date. And it's funny that now that some women have been ordered to pay alimony or child support to their ex-husband they complain more than men do about it. There's like an entire female crusade in the US to end alimony laws or make them so that only men have to pay it but never women.

I do feel that men are entitled to love, sex, etc. with women. I believe women are entitled to the same from men. It's a human right and there's equality in that. But it seems like you feel a man should have to pay a woman even more when she's getting his love, sex, etc. just the same. This would suggest you don't see men's love, sex, etc. as being equal to women's and requires extra compensation aka money for men to have exactly what men are giving to women for free.

[frau kaleun]

Nice article but I'm a bit lost when you suggest, as the article does, that the good guy feels entitled to sex. She explains that not all women are the same yet it would seem the "nice guy" feels entitled. Are all men then the same in her eyes? It would seem so. :hmmm:

You have to distinguish between the genuinely nice guy and the Nice Guy as it exists in the context she's discussing, which is a whole other thing, and usually involves someone bewailing the fact that he can't get what he thinks he's entitled to even though he's so "nice" and then labeling the woman or women he's not getting it from in some derogatory fashion as a result.

The point being that NO ONE is entitled to sex, love, or a relationship with another human being, ever. Those are things you get only with the consent of the other person(s) involved, which is theirs to give or withhold at their own discretion, the end. Behaving as though he is owed those things because of how "nice" he is and then calling women sluts or whores or golddiggers or spoiled brats or sick in the head because they choose not to comply with his wishes makes him the kind of Nice Guy she's talking about, i.e., not a real nice guy at all.

Imagine if you had a close male friend who was gay, and he just assumed that his being such a good friend to you meant you should be willing to hop in the sack with him and/or be his boyfriend. And you said, um... "sorry, dude, but I'm just not interested in you that way" and then he went on some rant about what an a-hole you were for not wanting him and loving him as though that was something you owed him in return for his "friendship." That's what the Nice Guy (as opposed to a genuinely nice guy) does to women.

[CaptainHaplo]

Most women in the US are not financially independent.

Neither are most men. Generally, men and women in today's society go from living with mommy and daddy to living with their bf/gf and creating a 2 income "family".

Now, neither men or women make enough to support a family all on their lone income except the very few.
True.

Women still have children though (single moms) and they take a handout from the man they had a child with and another handout from Uncle Sam.

Now hold on - that is a mass generalization that doesn't always hold true. As a "single" parent myself, I am going to point out that a good portion of single mothers don't play that game.
I've noticed a lot of women these days making claims that "men can't handle strong, independent women, who have more money than themselves" but I don't think that's nearly as true as women not being able to handle men who make less than themselves. Women hate feeling like "the man" in the relationship. Women want to marry up - not down.

I have yet to meet a woman like that. I have known a fair number that make more money than I did at the time, but not once did that create a problem. I worked, they worked. If a woman is basing her view of you on how big your paycheck is compared to her, her priorities are already screwed up and I don't have time for her. She is too shallow for me to start with if that occurs.

And it's funny that now that some women have been ordered to pay alimony or child support to their ex-husband they complain more than men do about it.

Child support? Don't get me started! LOL.


I do feel that men are entitled to love, sex, etc. with women. I believe women are entitled to the same from men. It's a human right and there's equality in that.

I know what you meant by this - but it reads like your saying sex is a human right that a guy is entitled to because he thinks some chick is hot. Not so....

But it seems like you feel a man should have to pay a woman even more when she's getting his love, sex, etc. just the same. This would suggest you don't see men's love, sex, etc. as being equal to women's and requires extra compensation aka money for men to have exactly what men are giving to women for free.

Its not that a man's love is different - women and men see and portray love and the relationship differently. It is that fact that leads to there being a perceived inequality to many relationships. Sadly, it is the reality that men and women in relationships do not communicate about the different perspectives, leaving each feeling as if they are somehow "giving more" to their partner, often creating a sense of frustration that ultimately harms the relationship.

[garren]

This feminism crap is doing nothing but driving men and women away from each other and resulting in tons of divorce and it's affecting the kids negatively. It's just leading to never ending arguments in which both sides are right and wrong but women are expecting men to submit these days with some sort of woman knows best attitude. But do women really know what's best? Seems like they can't make up their minds. One minute they expect men to open doors for them and then the next they don't. Which is it? I don't think women even understand themselves. I think men are more logical in their thinking while women are just emotionally mentally retarded and like to drive men insane with frustration.

[AVGWarhawk]

You have to distinguish between the genuinely nice guy and the Nice Guy as it exists in the context she's discussing, which is a whole other thing, and usually involves someone bewailing the fact that he can't get what he thinks he's entitled to even though he's so "nice" and then labeling the woman or women he's not getting it from in some derogatory fashion as a result.

The point being that NO ONE is entitled to sex, love, or a relationship with another human being, ever. Those are things you get only with the consent of the other person(s) involved, which is theirs to give or withhold at their own discretion, the end. Behaving as though he is owed those things because of how "nice" he is and then calling women sluts or whores or golddiggers or spoiled brats or sick in the head because they choose not to comply with his wishes makes him the kind of Nice Guy she's talking about, i.e., not a real nice guy at all.

Imagine if you had a close male friend who was gay, and he just assumed that his being such a good friend to you meant you should be willing to hop in the sack with him and/or be his boyfriend. And you said, um... "sorry, dude, but I'm just not interested in you that way" and then he went on some rant about what an a-hole you were for not wanting him and loving him as though that was something you owed him in return for his "friendship." That's what the Nice Guy (as opposed to a genuinely nice guy) does to women.

Seriously, thank you for the clarification. I was not certain if the "nice guy" and "good guy"(genuine) was the angle she was working was in fact two different things. It was not immediately apparent to me. And I agree, no one is entitle to much of anything let alone sex or otherwise.

[AVGWarhawk]

This feminism crap is doing nothing but driving men and women away from each other and resulting in tons of divorce and it's affecting the kids negatively. It's just leading to never ending arguments in which both sides are right and wrong but women are expecting men to submit these days with some sort of woman knows best attitude. But do women really know what's best? Seems like they can't make up their minds. One minute they expect men to open doors for them and then the next they don't. Which is it? I don't think women even understand themselves. I think men are more logical in their thinking while women are just emotionally mentally retarded and like to drive men insane with frustration.

Simply don't get married. :up:

[CaptainHaplo]

This feminism crap is doing nothing but driving men and women away from each other and resulting in tons of divorce and it's affecting the kids negatively. It's just leading to never ending arguments in which both sides are right and wrong but women are expecting men to submit these days with some sort of woman knows best attitude. But do women really know what's best? Seems like they can't make up their minds. One minute they expect men to open doors for them and then the next they don't. Which is it? I don't think women even understand themselves. I think men are more logical in their thinking while women are just emotionally mentally retarded and like to drive men insane with frustration.

Garren - the problem your describing is like a pendulum. It swings back and forth - and often when people try to force a solution, which feminism is exactly that - a faced solution, it makes the pendulum swing farther than it should.

With that said, you have to remember that every person is different. Every woman is different. You said in another post that you are in multiple relationships. That isn't easy - and you know how important it is that you balance each woman's needs. Every one of those women is different and its on you to keep things on an even keel. Well, not all women want the same thing from their guy - so work with the ones that want what you offer, and let the ones that want to run the show find some sissified boi to boss around.

[garren]

Simply don't get married. :up:


But that's exactly proving my argument correct. Men and women are not getting married and are going their own way all because of this social engineering scheme called feminism. Well, that's doing a whole lot of good. Women were happier in the 1950s even though Steve doesn't think they were. There's been studies at various Universities and in various westernized countries that show that women were happier in the 1950s. Life was much simpler back then for everyone. But just like people tend to do - they always think the grass is greener on the other side. Women back in the 1950s and 60s thought the grass would be greener for women if they pushed a 2nd wave of feminism onto society. But all that resulted from it is unhappy relationships between men and women. The gays on the other hand are making out like bandits. Been no better time in history for the gay crowd. Funny that many of the more outspoken feminists are lesbians. And straight women follow these women and their ideas of what equality is between men and women? These women hate men.

[AVGWarhawk]

But that's exactly proving my argument correct.

Correct for...wait for it....you! Let's not try to be a history revisionist. Enjoy the day. :yeah:

[garren]

Garren - the problem your describing is like a pendulum. It swings back and forth - and often when people try to force a solution, which feminism is exactly that - a faced solution, it makes the pendulum swing farther than it should.

With that said, you have to remember that every person is different. Every woman is different. You said in another post that you are in multiple relationships. That isn't easy - and you know how important it is that you balance each woman's needs. Every one of those women is different and its on you to keep things on an even keel. Well, not all women want the same thing from their guy - so work with the ones that want what you offer, and let the ones that want to run the show find some sissified boi to boss around.

I'm just dating multiple women right now but I'm not committed to any of them. They all know I'm a player and not interested in commitments even though they all want me to commit to them because they want to be that special one that I chose over the rest. Men look for sex to brag to their friends about and women look for commitments to brag to their friends about.

And I actually find just dating multiple women the way I am as being much easier than committing to just one woman. With commitments comes expectations and I'm tired of being expected to do things for women. The whole marital system is a farce. Just a socialist redistribution of wealth from man to woman with the government holding a gun to the man's head and telling him to pay her like one giant pimp.

[CaptainHaplo]

Well your being honest with them and they are choosing it, so good for all of you.

There is nothing wrong with being in multiple committed relationships either. The biggest thing there is making sure that you set the expectations and don't let your partners set what they expect from you. In cases like that, communication is key.

[AVGWarhawk]

And I actually find just dating multiple women the way I am as being much easier than committing to just one woman. With commitments comes expectations and I'm tired of being expected to do things for women. The whole marital system is a farce. Just a socialist redistribution of wealth from man to woman with the government holding a gun to the man's head and telling him to pay her like one giant pimp.


If that is the case, marriage a farce, why the monumental push by gays and lesbians to have the right to marriage? :hmmm: Thrill of the win?

[Sailor Steve]

Women were happier in the 1950s even though Steve doesn't think they were.
So what you say is fact and what I say is opinion? You need to back that up with actual facts or stop saying it.

There's been studies at various Universities and in various westernized countries that show that women were happier in the 1950s.
Citation needed.

Life was much simpler back then for everyone. But just like people tend to do - they always think the grass is greener on the other side. Women back in the 1950s and 60s thought the grass would be greener for women if they pushed a 2nd wave of feminism onto society. But all that resulted from it is unhappy relationships between men and women.
And you know this how? Any time you make a flat statement like that you need to cite actual sources, otherwise it's nothing more than opinion.

[Platapus]

June Cleaver did not greet Mr. Cleaver at the door every evening with pipe, slippers and paper dressed in her Sunday's best? All these years...hoodwinked. :shifty:

Yes she did. For she was following a script on a fictional TV show. :D

[garren]

So what you say is fact and what I say is opinion? You need to back that up with actual facts or stop saying it.


Citation needed.


And you know this how? Any time you make a flat statement like that you need to cite actual sources, otherwise it's nothing more than opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdrVn0jkVWY

http://www.parentdish.com/2009/06/09/were-1950s-moms-happier/

Notice the woman at the end says she's surprised because women have more "career" choices today than ever before.... That's the problem though and she doesn't even realize it. It's not careers women want. They just don't want to have to work at all. They found out that careers are no different than the kitchen and raising children in the home routine - it's work.

Men's happiness levels haven't changed much because men are still expected to work careers (this is our oppressive kitchen). Women traded one kitchen for another thinking the grass would be greener and it wasn't because it's still work and responsibility.

The government and feminists are brainwashing women that they should want careers and money over children and husband's. The happiest women today are those who get to stay home with their kids - especially if the husband is allowed to stay home too because he's retired or work's out of the home.

[Takeda Shingen]

I have a relationship with several women right now. Just had dinner with one earlier this evening. :O:

Yeah, well, well, I'm in a relationship with 100 women. Yeah.

Juvenile.

[garren]

Yeah, well, well, I'm in a relationship with 100 women. Yeah. Juvenile.

I always knew you were a pedophile. :O:

[Takeda Shingen]

I always knew you were a pedophile. :O:

Is this the best the self-professed alpha male can do? Gamma male is more like it. Don't worry, you'll be able to sit again. Someday.

[soopaman2]

My old lady makes more than me per year, I do physical labor, she is managerial.

She got me by 5k a year, but my insurance coverage is better.


We are in this together, something most American spouses forget, it seems some parties are too happy with what they can get from divorce court, especialially with the strong anti male sentiment in divorce court.

[garren]

Is this the best the self-professed alpha male can do? Gamma male is more like it. Don't worry, you'll be able to sit again. Someday.

http://cl.jroo.me/z3/D/O/y/e/a.baa-haha-u-mad-bro.jpg

[garren]

http://demotivationalblog.com/demotivational/2008/08/beer.thumbnail.jpg

[Takeda Shingen]

http://cl.jroo.me/z3/D/O/y/e/a.baa-haha-u-mad-bro.jpg

See, you are white after all.

You have to admit, posing as a woman-hating black man that advocates Jim Crow laws was your most ridiculous disguise yet. You aren't as sharp as you were before. I always considered you my Professor Moriarty, but the years have slowed you. Sad to see an old foe go out past their prime. People need to know when to retire.

Enough waxing nostalgic from me. This will likely be the last time we converse. Farewell, my old rival. I hope that you finally find the peace that you seek.

[garren]

See, you are white after all.

You have to admit, posing as a woman-hating black man that advocates Jim Crow laws was your most ridiculous disguise yet. You aren't as sharp as you were before. I always considered you my Professor Moriarty, but the years have slowed you. Sad to see an old foe go out past their prime. People need to know when to retire.

Enough waxing nostalgic from me. This will likely be the last time we converse. Farewell, my old rival. I hope that you finally find the peace that you seek.

Go drink another one.

[Takeda Shingen]

Go drink another one.

I don't drink. Alcohol feminizes men.

EDIT: No troll, it literally feminizes men.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10796890

[soopaman2]

I don't drink. Alcohol feminizes men.

EDIT: No troll, it literally feminizes men.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10796890

Take it from an ex drunk, I mean a raving drunk....

I gotta agree with the Daimyo.


Alcohol. At the risk of sounding like a 1920s prohibition agants is bad bad bad to some.


Basically utter emasculation
Causes divorce, and alimony payments.

(too bad I am just as much a jerk on coca cola and cigs, no excuse ;))

[AVGWarhawk]

Take it from an ex drunk, I mean a raving drunk....

I gotta agree with the Daimyo.


Alcohol. At the risk of sounding like a 1920s prohibition agants is bad bad bad to some.

Causes divorce, and alimony payments.

Headache and hang over to boot.

[Jimbuna]

Go drink another one.

You won't...your well has run dry.

[Takeda Shingen]

Take it from an ex drunk, I mean a raving drunk....

I gotta agree with the Daimyo.


Alcohol. At the risk of sounding like a 1920s prohibition agants is bad bad bad to some.


Basically utter emasculation
Causes divorce, and alimony payments.

(too bad I am just as much a jerk on coca cola and cigs, no excuse ;))

I can't speak on the social aspects, but physically the first thing you are told when you go on any training regiment is that the booze has to go due to the adverse effects it has on muscle growth and performance as well as the havoc it wreaks on your body's metabolic functions. When asked by others how to lose weight, the first two pieces of advice I give are exercise and drop alcohol. Diet is critical too, but changing those two little things make enough difference to get them hooked on the fitness lifestyle. It's always easier to sell it when they can see results right away.

[Tribesman]

Honestly, a prostitute for a week for 100 euros????
that's as funny as a white supremacist claiming to be black:rotfl2:

[Penguin]

18 years married, through good and bad. Never cheated, nor have I ever had any desire to do so.


http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2999/qc25.jpg

Especially for the second sentence you wrote - this has become quite a seldom virtue. In my lucky 13th year myself - though not married.


This one ever fails, that's it for women, I'll seek a relationship with Steve. Maybe with a lil lipstick and lace, I can
get through it, plus we have a lot in common

Well, if you and Steve want to tie the knot, I'm allowed to perform marriages in most US states - just drop me a message and give me some days to get a Kaleun's uniform to be dressed appropriately, no lipstick and lace for me, thanks. :sunny:

[Penguin]

Honestly, a prostitute for a week for 100 euros????
that's as funny as a white supremacist claiming to be black:rotfl2:

I guess the cheaper whores all said "too beaucoup" :O:

[Armistead]

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2999/qc25.jpg

Especially for the second sentence you wrote - this has become quite a seldom virtue. In my lucky 13th year myself - though not married.


Well, if you and Steve want to tie the knot, I'm allowed to perform marriages in most US states - just drop me a message and give me some days to get a Kaleun's uniform to be dressed appropriately, no lipstick and lace for me, thanks. :sunny:

My wife and I have enough trust that jealously was never an issue. We both know they're many beautiful people in the world, people look and think and have their inner fantasies. We never beat each up over that, more embraced it, makes for a great love life:D

With Steve, lipstick and lace would be a must.....have you seen his face? Maybe if I squinted my eyes, so he was a blur, I could say "I do". The main thing is, I know Steve wouldn't bitch if I left my towel on the floor or demand I come make love during the middle of a convoy attack...:yeah:

[Penguin]

My wife and I have enough trust that jealously was never an issue. We both know they're many beautiful people in the world, people look and think and have their inner fantasies. We never beat each up over that, more embraced it, makes for a great love life:D

With Steve, lipstick and lace would be a must.....have you seen his face? Maybe if I squinted my eyes, so he was a blur, I could say "I do". The main thing is, I know Steve wouldn't bitch if I left my towel on the floor or demand I come make love during the middle of a convoy attack...:yeah:

Our success formula is maybe that we both had our fair share of experiences before, so we don't feel the need to look for little adventures anymore - can't say that I have been too faithfull in my previous relationships. :oops:

Oh I'm ok with what you wear when marrying Steve, I'd also suggest some bleach as your eye makeup. :D - just let your poor chaplainwear what he wants. :)

[Ducimus]

On the subject of whores, when i was in the military as a younger fellow, I had this old NCO impart upon me this pearl of wisdom. Its sexist as hell, but you have to get past that to see the wisdom in it.

He said,

"There is no such thing as free *ussy. All women are whore's, it's just the price that is negotiable".

His words, not mine. All i'm saying is over the years I found it to be true. Some women you have to wine and dine, others want jewelry and marriage, regardless of what they want, all of it costs money.

Why yes, i have told my wife this. She thought it was funny. One of the reasons I married her, our running joke is "We were separated at birth". Why no, i would never cheat on my wife. I learned enough in my early 20's to know that it's not worth it, and a guilty conscious would eat me alive. If poontang is all a guy wants, just go get a prostitute, its cheaper in the long run if you don't do anything..... stupid. Personally I 'd rather have a life long companion , partner and best friend, to grow old and grey with. That's far more valuable to me then bearded clam.

[Armistead]

Our success formula is maybe that we both had our fair share of experiences before, so we don't feel the need to look for little adventures anymore - can't say that I have been too faithfull in my previous relationships. :oops:

Oh I'm ok with what you wear when marrying Steve, I'd also suggest some bleach as your eye makeup. :D - just let your poor chaplainwear what he wants. :)

Well, if Steve and I ever do tie the knot, you know what wedding gift to bring.

Main thing is I hate hair on my women, I mean Steve. First thing I would have to do is a lil hair removal. I hope Steve doesn't have a husky voice..

Geesh, we have to stop this, I feel a tad excited....:haha:

[Wolferz]

It's time to have a portrait of yourself tattooed on your back Steve.

That way, Armistead will be forced to look into your eyes.:03:

I hope you two find great happiness. Or in the French accent vernacular...
Hapenis.


This train has derailed sumthin fierce!

[u crank]

38 years ago today I married my sweetheart. We are still in love and have a good life. Yea there were some rough patches but I'm glad we stuck it out. I don't consider her to be my wife. We are partners.

Taking her out to dinner. Who knows maybe.....:O:

[Armistead]

On the subject of whores, when i was in the military as a younger fellow, I had this old NCO impart upon me this pearl of wisdom. Its sexist as hell, but you have to get past that to see the wisdom in it.

He said,

"There is no such thing as free *ussy. All women are whore's, it's just the price that is negotiable".

His words, not mine. All i'm saying is over the years I found it to be true. Some women you have to wine and dine, others want jewelry and marriage, regardless of what they want, all of it costs money.

Why yes, i have told my wife this. She thought it was funny. One of the reasons I married her, our running joke is "We were separated at birth". Why no, i would never cheat on my wife. I learned enough in my early 20's to know that it's not worth it, and a guilty conscious would eat me alive. If poontang is all a guy wants, just go get a prostitute, its cheaper in the long run if you don't do anything..... stupid. Personally I 'd rather have a life long companion , partner and best friend, to grow old and grey with. That's far more valuable to me then bearded clam.

With certain women, it is true, sure was true with my first wife. However, all women aren't whores and put as much effort and money into the relationship as the man, often more.

Certainly there is a culture where beautiful women trade looks and sex for money and the good life. Just go to any rich country club and look at all the beautiful women with ugly old men that they don't love. Course, most these men aren't stupid, they know they're paying for it and fine with it, just another toy to show off.

[Stealhead]

Honestly, a prostitute for a week for 100 euros????
that's as funny as a white supremacist claiming to be black:rotfl2:


The thing that kind of ticked me of about that whole story is how he was claiming it is was underground sex trafficking more or less and no one on the "working" end of that is doing that willingly and there is a good chance that they got forced into the situation.

I see nothing wrong with prostitution so long as the people doing the work are doing it willingly and have fair protection under the law in other words where it is legal and regulated.

Anyway even if you payed 100 Euros for a week you still paid over $3,000 just to fly to Italy from the US and back and pay for room a board and food.You could go to Clark County Nevada a higher a girl at a legal brothel for less than that.Or just go down the right street and be a John for less than $100 of course taking a lot more risk.

The entire relationship thing marriage,long term boyfriend/girlfriend,what ever different strokes for different folks I say what works for some dose not work for others.

I have to somewhat disagree with Ducimus NCO it true unless the chick is very sexually promiscuous it does cost you something of course to some extent if your dating or what ever you are both evaluating the other person so a lesbian cloud also say that getting some costs her money in some way just the same as a man could.Food for thought.

Also at the same time if you are in a monogamous relationship both partners are putting up with things so you can easily say that for women the cost is putting up the annoying things their partner does.On top of all that I have see and i sure others have where the female in the relationship is the one doing the spending.

[Jimbuna]

Not disagreeing but I'd have trouble believing the story in the first place.

[Ducimus]

I have to somewhat disagree with Ducimus NCO it true unless the chick is very sexually promiscuous it does cost you something of course to some extent

Like the guy told me, "it's just the price that is negotiable". If all it takes is just a drink then your just out the cost of a drink.

Nothing is 100% free.

[Armistead]

For many men, it's a pride thing to say their wife doesn't work, endorned in diamonds and fine clothes.

[AVGWarhawk]

Also at the same time if you are in a monogamous relationship both partners are putting up with things so you can easily say that for women the cost is putting up the annoying things their partner does.On top of all that I have see and i sure others have where the female in the relationship is the one doing the spending.


Each type of relationship has its up side and down side. Sitting alone has, eventually, it's own bag of problems as well. We are social beings.

[Ducimus]

After the experience I had with my ex, I would rather live alone for the rest of my days, then live with the wrong woman. In fact, when I met my wife, i had already resigned myself to this, and was fine with it.

[AVGWarhawk]

For many men, it's a pride thing to say their wife doesn't work, endorned in diamonds and fine clothes.

My wife works...at our home. Her job is 24/7. I kick out of work at 5. Day done. She is still going into the night. For us, right now, it is best for our daughters. Most times a thankless job. At any rate, when our both kids are in college( we have one there now) she will go back to work for monetary gain. We do want to retire sooner than later. :D

As for the adorning of jewels and clothing....ha! I take pride in just meeting the bills at the end of the month.

[AVGWarhawk]

After the experience I had with my ex, I would rather live alone for the rest of my days, then live with the wrong woman. In fact, when I met my wife, i had already resigned myself to this, and was fine with it.

That is understandable. No one wants to live with Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. There are some certifiable loons out there. Men and women both.

[Jimbuna]

My wife works...at our home. Her job is 24/7. I kick out of work at 5. Day done. She is still going into the night. For us, right now, it is best for our daughters. Most times a thankless job. At any rate, when our both kids are in college( we have one there now) she will go back to work for monetary gain. We do want to retire sooner than later. :D

As for the adorning of jewels and clothing....ha! I take pride in just meeting the bills at the end of the month.

Pretty much how my marriage works or used to work but the snag now is I've a pension and investments and the wife is working.

Tis sometimes like walking on a knife edge if the 'retirement' word is introduced into a conversation :o

[Armistead]

Like the guy told me, "it's just the price that is negotiable". If all it takes is just a drink then your just out the cost of a drink.

Nothing is 100% free.

I think that's a warped view.

I dated my current wife for almost a year before we had sex. Sure, I spent some money in that time period, but I never looked at it as a down payment on a piece of arse. If so, I would've found the same women as before, that put out fast. I looked at it as an investment, because I wanted to be with her regardless. She made it clear, no sex, until there was love. It was a refreshing change, something I never knew before. I would say 90% of the women before her put out by the second date.

If you're looking at it from the point you're paying for it, cheaper to stay single and find prostitutes or play the dating game, you're simply not looking for relationship type material.

When my wife finally did spread her legs when we were dating, the thought
"I earned this" never crossed my mind. Nor do I think she thought it was time for her to make a payment.

The truth I think is we all now have a semi warped view. Women today give sex out like candy, so men are willing to pay for it. Somehow this trade off is now defined as love and people marry on this warped premise. It simply isn't and that's the reason we have a 80% divorce rate. Sure, I know many men that say it would've been cheaper to stay single, but maybe that speaks more of them, how they view relationships and the type of women they seek.

[Ducimus]

I think that's a warped view.


Only if your not a young man in his late teens or early 20's in the military.

When your in that stage in life, a lot of guys will give each other **** for "paying for it", thumping their chests saying, "I never pay for it", when in fact, they do, only they just don't realize it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Some guy/gals get jaded by a bad relationship. It is like the hangover the next day caused by drinking gin. You promise yourself never to drink gin again. The crap is evil.

I never thought I earned sex with my wife. Nor felt I paid for it. I make her pay and then the spankings....and then the......

Nevermind.....:D

[AVGWarhawk]

Only if your not a young man in his late teens or early 20's in the military.

When your in that stage in life, a lot of guys will give each other **** for "paying for it", thumping their chests saying, "I never pay for it", when in fact, they do, only they just don't realize it.

So let me ask then, your current significant other that enjoys blasting away at targets with you, you feel you are paying for physical affection?

God...this is getting like Oprah or Dr Phil around here. :shifty:

[Ducimus]

God...this is getting like Oprah or Dr Phil around here. :shifty:

Yup. I'm not biting. You may want to place what i said, in context with what i described.

Did I pay for it in my younger years? Damn right i did. A young man has needs. When your constantly being moved around working your ass off, you don't have time for relationships, nor can you be emotionally attached to anyone.

Do some guys in their younger years... and im sure you know the the type. The players, the girl chasers, the clubbers. Do they beat their chests and say, "I never pay for it" trying to score with some girl on a friday night? Yeah they do. Do they really pay for it? Yeah they do, they just don't know it.

Do I pay for it with my wife? Yeah i do. But here's the thing. I'm not with my wife just for a piece of ass, and she gives back what i give her. I give, she gives, It's not a one sided thing. It's more like a team of oxen (her metaphor).

edit:
You guys can get all judgmental on your moral high horses if you want, but if you can't see the intent and the wisdom behind what that Sargent told me, then I think maybe you've been on the sheltered side of things.

[AVGWarhawk]

Do I pay for it with my wife? Yeah i do. But here's the thing. I'm not with my wife just for a piece of ass, and she gives back what i give her. I give, she gives, It's not a one sided thing. It's more like a team of oxen (her metaphor).


And this the difference for paying for 30 minutes of wham, bam thank you mam.

It is not really paying if it is the other gives back in return other things other then a piece of poo poo.

Team of oxen or a push me pull you. Call it what you like. It is not a business deal. It is a relationship. It takes time, money and work. It can be very rewarding.

[Armistead]

Only if your not a young man in his late teens or early 20's in the military.

When your in that stage in life, a lot of guys will give each other **** for "paying for it", thumping their chests saying, "I never pay for it", when in fact, they do, only they just don't realize it.

Well, if all you're looking for is a piece, you pay for it one way or the other. In that case maybe a prostitute is the better and cheaper route. Certainly in my younger day, I had no intent on marriage and only wanted sex, knew I would have to pay for a few dates, etc., until I got what I wanted.

I've never done a cost analysis, but most the girls I dated in my younger day, met at a club, few drinks, one or two dates, pretended to like them and had sex. I'm not sure of the cost compared to say $300 for a decent prostitute for one hour. Course, the headache was getting rid of the girl, which usually meant a crisis, so maybe a good prostitute is more cost effective. Maybe, it's even more moral if the male intent is to use the female for sex only.

Anyway, I don't see prostitution becoming legal nationwide anytime soon.

[Ducimus]

Well, if all you're looking for is a piece, you pay for it one way or the other. In that case maybe a prostitute is the better and cheaper route. Certainly in my younger day, I had no intent on marriage and only wanted sex, knew I would have to pay for a few dates, etc., until I got what I wanted.


Exactly.

The comments about prostitutes is what reminded me of this, and the pearl of wisdom an NCO handed to me when i was young, dumb, and full of *um. And then people jump up on their high horses because its a harsh realty they don't like. Go figure.

[Armistead]

So let me ask then, your current significant other that enjoys blasting away at targets with you, you feel you are paying for physical affection?

God...this is getting like Oprah or Dr Phil around here. :shifty:

Sometimes when my wife wants to go shopping, I'll ask her what's in it for me if I let her spend $200. Then we negotiate. Before I know it, I'm spending $1000. Hey, it can be fun playing prostitute with your spouse. :yeah:

[AVGWarhawk]

Course, the headache was getting rid of the girl, which usually meant a crisis, so maybe a good prostitute is more cost effective.


Cost analysis of girlfriend over prostitute. Have to admit, the idea of actually looking at it is kind of funny. :haha:

[Armistead]

Exactly.

The comments about prostitutes is what reminded me of this, and the pearl of wisdom an NCO handed to handed to me when i was young, dumb, and full of cum. And then people jump up on their high horses because its a harsh realty they don't like. Go figure.

Agreed, men will be players with girls willing to be played with. However, the point is, if you don't one day grow up and out of that behavior, don't expect a happy marriage. I know numerous men that fell in love with beauty and good sex, even when it's clear they were headed for misery.. They get married and boy do they really pay for it.

[AVGWarhawk]

http://mustardseedyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/indianajones1.jpg

[Armistead]

Cost analysis of girlfriend over prostitute. Have to admit, the idea of actually looking at it is kind of funny. :haha:


Don't forget to factor in the cost of penicillin or HIV meds......

It reminds me of a friend of mine in the 80's. He had sex, got a rash, felt terrible. He was so scared he had HIV he didn't want to go to the Doctor. He finally did. I'll never forget him calling me.

"Thank God, it's only herpes":haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

Don't forget to factor in the cost of penicillin or HIV meds......

It reminds me of a friend of mine in the 80's. He had sex, got a rash, felt terrible. He was so scared he had HIV he didn't want to go to the Doctor. He finally did. I'll never forget him calling me.

"Thank God, it's only herpes":haha:

The gift that keeps on giving. :har::har::har::har::har:

I spit up my drink! :haha:

[Armistead]

I remember my last HIV test well. My wife now asked that I get one back when we were dating and we were getting ready for sex. As I said, we had dated about a year. Her concern was my cheating wife and the few girls I dated after that ..I told her a few.

I went to my GP, nurse took blood, asked about my sexual history. I was honest and got a lecture. I was told to call in a few days for results. I was a nervous wreck. When I called, I finally got his nurse and asked for results.
She said that I would have to come in and see the Dr. I freaked out, asking her "do I have it" and she sternly replied " we need you to come in and see the doctor." I told her I was on my way. When I was called back, the nurse entered, she could see I was a mess. She stated "Don't worry, you're fine."
I cussed her out. Like " why in the hell didn't you tell me I was OK on the phone. Seems it was law back then they could only tell you in person, but no one told me that when they took blood.

I swear when I left the room she had a grin on her face, probably scared me on purpose.

[Ducimus]

Don't forget to factor in the cost of penicillin or HIV meds......


Which is why i said, " If poontang is all a guy wants, just go get a prostitute, its cheaper in the long run if you don't do anything..... stupid."

[Ducimus]

And since im sure to a female's eyes my posts as of the last 2 or 3 pages are those of a complete male pig, ill get this out as well.

I do not hate women, nor do i place them on a pedestal, which unfortunately, many men do.

In my eyes, there's two types of people. Males and females. I have seen females do EVERYTHING males do, and often enough, they do it better.

Concrete work, laying cinder block walls, running a mortar machine, driving 20 ton tractors with a 40 foot trailers, wielding.. yeah, all heavy construction stuff. Stuff you normally assocaiate as being "in a mans world".

Females can also be every bit the bastard males can. Aside from giving birth, the ONLY diffierence between the two genders I ever noticed was that females can pick their partners at will. Males will take nearly anything they can get. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Desert%20Queen)

Four words i absolutely despise. "I'm just a girl". BS, that's a lazy female using her gender as an excuse to get out of doing work.

It should be no surprise, my wife feels the same way. She's not afraid to get dirty, is rather proud of her pioneer heritage, and isn't very fond of "girly girls". We have a kid in the oven right now.

Yeah, that's right, there's gonna be a baby duci in january,and regardless of gender, we have the same things we want to instil, and the same activities planned. Boy or girl, they're gonna learn how to fish, camp, hunt, target shoot, back up trucks with a trailer, change the oil, you name it. I refuse to not teach the kid something "because she's a girl". In fact my father in law did alot of that to his daughters. Sometime after we got married, we went down a mental list of that from her point of view are "things to do that I want to do but didn't because my dad only taught the boys".

As an aside, come to find out, my wife loves to fish more then I do, and her father only taught the boys. That's a crying shame.

EDIT: Also, I showed my wife the video in the original post, she sat there in disbelief that another woman could act that way. It was patently obvious to both of us that woman in the original post was a girly girl that was doted upon and spoiled by her parents, always getting her way.

[Wolferz]

Deuce,
I'd say that young lady began that behavior as a child to get her way and was never corrected for it. Only placated. Which did nothing more than enforce the behavior.
Sadly, I've met women like that and dealt with them the only way I know how...
Ask her in a soothing tone; "What can I do to make it better?"
Then as soon as she calms down and tells me, I look at her and say; "Fat Chance!" and I walk away.:haha:

No, I've never been struck in the head by a flying object. They do throw like girls after all.

[Armistead]

And since im sure to a female's eyes my posts as of the last 2 or 3 pages are those of a complete male pig, ill get this out as well.



Haha Duci, you almost got out, but not without 7 more paragraphs ..:O:

No need to run, I enjoy talking about women.

I' glad you found a good one.:yeah:

[Armistead]

Which is why i said, " If poontang is all a guy wants, just go get a prostitute, its cheaper in the long run if you don't do anything..... stupid."

I don't know, seems I read somewhere about 70% of prostitutes have herpes. Not sure if condoms protect against that, but I wouldn't want to find out. For me personally, it's no turn on to know the woman I'm with just had a sock in her mouth.

[Wolferz]

Uhhh, Armistead, you're not supposed to kiss the ladies of the night.:eek: :hmmm::nope:

[Armistead]

Uhhh, Armistead, you're not supposed to kiss the ladies of the night.:eek: :hmmm::nope:

Well, I think ho's say they don't kiss because it's emotional. Like I said, knowing where their mouths have been, not sure how a guy could feel emotional.

Strippers and prostitutes were never my thing. Many years ago salesmen would ask me to eat buffet at a strip club for lunch, so after prodding I went once. I mean here I am trying to get down a turkey sandwhich, why some naked girl is spinning on the floor leaving snail tracks in front of my face...I damn near vomitted in my mouth. I haven't been able to eat a turkey sandwhich since.

Anyway, I hope you guys find a good woman. I wouldn't trade mine for all the ho's in Texas.

[AVGWarhawk]

Congratulation Ducimus. You forgot to add modding games as part of the child upbringing. :D

[Platapus]

Old Abbott and Costello skit:


Costello: When I get married, I'm going to marry an ugly girl


Abbott: Why?


C: If I marry a pretty girl, she might leave me for another man.



A: But an ugly girl might leave you too.


C: Yeah, but who cares? She's ugly.

:D

[Spiced_Rum]

The one night stand advert says they've got over 3 million american females looking for long lasting relationships...

In that case try advertising food.

[August]

Anyone remember "Hai Karate"?

http://laura.moncur.org/wp-content/photos/HaiKarate.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Sure do. Its my second choice over Brut. :haha:

[WernherVonTrapp]

Anyone remember "Hai Karate"?

http://laura.moncur.org/wp-content/photos/HaiKarate.jpg
:haha:Yes, I especially loved the commercials.

[Jimbuna]

Sure do. Its my second choice over Brut. :haha:

I've still got a bottle of that in one of my wardrobes IIRC :oops:

[Armistead]

:haha:Yes, I especially loved the commercials.

Fun going to youtube and watching old commercials. TV back then use to be full of commercials of American made products.