View Full Version : This is wrong on so many levels
Karle94
07-19-13, 03:52 PM
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To wake up whilst being raped, then sentenced to prison for sex outside the marriage is just wrong.
Yeah, that's pretty twisted! Feel sorry for her.
Jimbuna
07-19-13, 04:24 PM
The mind boggles :doh:
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To wake up whilst being raped, then sentenced to prison for sex outside the marriage is just wrong.
I know this probably isn't going to be a popular comment but there are women who have cheated on their husband's and claimed rape when they didn't want to face punishment for their adultery. I mean, in a country where adultery is punishable it's not hard to imagine a woman trying to shirk her guilt by playing the blame game on the man she cheated with as to stay out of trouble. Not saying that's what happened here but you never really know anymore and can't believe everything you read in the liberalized pro-feminist media. After the Duke Lacrosse rape case, I'll never pre-judge a man again as being auto-guilty based on a woman's allegation.
Karle94
07-19-13, 06:15 PM
She´s single.
I know this probably isn't going to be a popular comment but there are women who have cheated on their husband's and claimed rape when they didn't want to face punishment for their adultery. I mean, in a country where adultery is punishable it's not hard to imagine a woman trying to shirk her guilt by playing the blame game on the man she cheated with as to stay out of trouble. Not saying that's what happened here but you never really know anymore and can't believe everything you read in the liberalized pro-feminist media. After the Duke Lacrosse rape case, I'll never pre-judge a man again as being auto-guilty based on a woman's allegation.
Maybe you could enlighten us on how women are treated under Sharia Law? Don't think they are treated like royalty,lol
Maybe you could enlighten us on how women are treated under Sharia Law? Don't think they are treated like royalty,lol
Any place on this planet that is tough on their women is at least 10x tougher on their men. Not like sharia law is favorable to men either. It's not favorable to anyone really. More men have died under sharia law than women have by far. But we get fed so much "woe the women" propaganda from the pro-feminism liberal leftists in this country that many wouldn't know that or even care.
I feel like I'm having a conversation with Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann, all at the same time!:eek:
Red October1984
07-19-13, 11:06 PM
I feel like I'm having a conversation with Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann, all at the same time!:eek:
With John Madden narrating...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnrPJSXWqsg
while the 'sex' part of the sentence might be 'mind-boggling' (but only from a moral point of view, NOT a legal one), I can't 'feel sorry' for her for drinking alcohol and perjury.
there is a thread about 'open carry' in Texas.
if you had a gun, would you come to a foreign country (let's say Poland) and tried to 'open carry' it?
my friend was in Sweden 2 years ago and got a ticket for driving through a zebra crossing without letting people who were standing there.
It's perfectly legal in Poland. But not in Sweden.
See the parallel?
She's on her way home! She must be happy as heck to be able to get out of there!
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/22/19614040-i-have-my-life-back-alleged-rape-victims-16-month-jail-term-axed?lite
Schroeder
07-22-13, 01:40 PM
Good news.:up:
soopaman2
07-22-13, 01:47 PM
The mind boggles :doh:
Yeah the mind is wrong.
Religion is a mental illness.
Especially the need for religious folks to exert its misery and fear tactics on others.
God is great, the people who purport to follow him are garbage.
Using his name, and twisting scripture to fit self fulfilling unspiritual means, like money or power, or followers.
But if the book says it, it has to be true, even if written hundreds of years after the fact.
Baah baah sheep.
March in time to the drum!
Dummies. Determine your own destiny, stop asking the clouds and moon for it.
I cannot wait until Jesus kills us We deserve it
She's on her way home! She must be happy as heck to be able to get out of there!
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/22/19614040-i-have-my-life-back-alleged-rape-victims-16-month-jail-term-axed?lite
Oh, so now we find out that the man she claimed raped her WAS in fact punished as well for the same crime she was. Well, that's fair after all. But she's free and he's not? So much for fairness.
"It also was unclear whether authorities would keep the 13-month sentence against Dalelv's alleged attacker, identified as a 33-year-old Sudanese man who was charged with consuming alcohol and sex outside marriage. While liquor is widely available in Dubai hotels and restaurants, public intoxication can bring serious charges."
The first article made it seem like he wasn't even punished at all and that only the woman was.
Doesn't sound like they believed her rape story. That or when a woman consumes alcohol over there she loses her right to claim rape. And I think that's fair in a way.
I mean, in the US if a man and woman both drink and they both have consensual drunken sex - she can claim rape on him the next day because she can claim she was drunk and did not make a sober decision to consent to sex with him, thereby nullifying herself from any personal responsibility. But the drunk man is held responsible because well, he's a man, and even if he's drunk is supposed to make the right decision. He's not allowed to nullifying his responsibility and claim he was drunk and didn't know what he was doing or saying and he doesn't remember consenting to her either. So how do we know she didn't take advantage of him instead and rape him?
"Of course not. Women can't rape men. That's impossible!" Man-hating feminists
Oh, so now we find out that the man she claimed raped her WAS in fact punished as well for the same crime she was. Well, that's fair after all. But she's free and he's not? So much for fairness.
The first article made it seem like he wasn't even punished at all and that only the woman was.
Doesn't sound like they believed her rape story. That or when a woman consumes alcohol over there she loses her right to claim rape. And I think that's fair in a way.
I mean, in the US if a man and woman both drink and they both have consensual drunken sex - she can claim rape on him the next day because she can claim she was drunk and did not make a sober decision to consent to sex with him, thereby nullifying herself from any personal responsibility. But the drunk man is held responsible because well, he's a man, and even if he's drunk is supposed to make the right decision. He's not allowed to nullifying his responsibility and claim he was drunk and didn't know what he was doing or saying and he doesn't remember consenting to her either. So how do we know she didn't take advantage of him instead and rape him?
"Of course not. Women can't rape men. That's impossible!" Man-hating feminists
Cry me a river homeboy!
soopaman2
07-22-13, 01:58 PM
With John Madden narrating...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnrPJSXWqsg
*pulls up the telestrator*
OK folks, jesus cuts this way into a buttonhook .
Muhammed, reads the play and, oh goodness, he just charged the ref with a crime against Islam, and beheaded the ref!
Buddha smiles and is happy no one wants to kill him.
The flying spaghetti monster did nothing, as all gods do.
soopaman2
07-22-13, 02:01 PM
With John Madden narrating...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnrPJSXWqsg
*pulls up the telestrator*
OK folks, jesus cuts this way into a buttonhook .
Muhammed, reads the play and, oh goodness, he just charged the ref with a crime against Islam, and beheaded the ref!
Buddha smiles and is happy no one wants to kill him. There he is, wide open in the endzone, TOUCHDOWWWWWWWWN!
Muhammed behead the ref watch his head roll on the slow mo, while jesus calls him a queer and excommunicates him.
And it is not even halftime yet folks.!
The flying spaghetti monster did nothing, as all gods do.
Cry me a river homeboy!
Keep supporting double-standards that favor women over men and it may very well one day come around to bite you in the butt or maybe even your son - homeboy. And then you'll be crying a river won't you.
Jimbuna
07-22-13, 02:07 PM
Both have been pardoned and are free to leave.
The man she accused of raping her - a colleague - has also been pardoned, a Norwegian official has said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23404042
soopaman2
07-22-13, 02:14 PM
1Both have been pardoned and are free to leave.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23404042
Only because it caught world wide attention, how much does this crap happen in Saudi Arabia etc that we do not hear about?
They were not let off, they were let go for political reasons, had it been a non pasty white Euro woman, this would be a non story. No one cares about the citizens of those sharia countries, unless that archaic law hits them personally.
I am glad the pasty woman got home, how many other women in those countries won't? and do not have diplomatic relations to bail them out?
Jimbuna
07-22-13, 02:17 PM
I've absolutely no idea.
Both have been pardoned and are free to leave.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23404042
Good. Maybe they both learned something from this like staying out of other countries if they're not going to respect their legal codes. So tired of idiots going to foreign countries, violating their laws, and expecting their host nation, or the rest of the world, to rescue them.
I have to wonder if some of these "events" aren't just extremists from westernized nations going into these countries with different legal systems and testing them just to make an international issue out of it. Like, they're trying to show the westernized world needs to force these other countries to change their culture to be just like their own westernized culture because feminist groups and supporters feel they are being unfair to women.
But then we see articles like this...
http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/07/21/morsi-loyalists-protest-death-of-three-women-in-mansoura/
of women in Egypt supporting Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood and people post comments like "Those women must be protesting because their husband's made them" and "Those women don't know what's best for them" - anything to make them into victims who need to be rescued and liberated and the men in those countries out to be evil oppressors. Is it possible that most of the women over there have a brain of their own and choose to support their culture and reject westernized ideologies like feminism and atheism? I noticed that the one woman in Eygpt said, "If they are willing to shoot 3 women who protest, then what are they willing to do to men" which shows she not only cares about men (probably a mother of boys and has a husband), she knows that men over there are usually the ones who get killed in mass protests and riots.
But over here in the westernized world, we think she's a fool for supporting a government that is surely no good for women. But Sharia law has put more men to death than women so I feel that the liberal feminist propaganda machine in the west has brainwashed the masses of sheeple into only seeing one-side of the story. So we'll go to war against these other cultures one day and "liberate" these women from their faith and the evil patriarchy that keeps them covered in clothing - cause let's face it - guys in the west just want to see these chicks liberated from those sheets their husband's make them wear. :haha:
soopaman2
07-22-13, 03:25 PM
Good. Maybe they both learned something from this like staying out of other countries if they're not going to respect their legal codes. So tired of idiots going to foreign countries, violating their laws, and expecting their host nation, or the rest of the world, to rescue them.
I have to wonder if some of these "events" aren't just extremists from westernized nations going into these countries with different legal systems and testing them just to make an international issue out of it. Like, they're trying to show the westernized world needs to force these other countries to change their culture to be just like their own westernized culture because feminist groups and supporters feel they are being unfair to women.
But then we see articles like this...
http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/07/21/morsi-loyalists-protest-death-of-three-women-in-mansoura/
of women in Egypt supporting Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood and people post comments like "Those women must be protesting because their husband's made them" and "Those women don't know what's best for them" - anything to make them into victims who need to be rescued and liberated and the men in those countries out to be evil oppressors. Is it possible that most of the women over there have a brain of their own and choose to support their culture and reject westernized ideologies like feminism and atheism? I noticed that the one woman in Eygpt said, "If they are willing to shoot 3 women who protest, then what are they willing to do to men" which shows she not only cares about men (probably a mother of boys and has a husband), she knows that men over there are usually the ones who get killed in mass protests and riots.
But over here in the westernized world, we think she's a fool for supporting a government that is surely no good for women. But Sharia law has put more men to death than women so I feel that the liberal feminist propaganda machine in the west has brainwashed the masses of sheeple into only seeing one-side of the story. So we'll go to war against these other cultures one day and "liberate" these women from their faith and the evil patriarchy that keeps them covered in clothing - cause let's face it - guys in the west just want to see these chicks liberated from those sheets their husband's make them wear. :haha:
We would be almost on the same page, but you have a "blame the victim mentality"
Dubai is alot more liberal than most muslim countries, as they are highly capitalistic.
On a side note, you really hate liberals, it seem to be your favorite word for people you see as substandard.
Who made the patriot act, and accused anyone " not with him as against him" and villified any protests as unpatriotic, your master, the Junior Shrub.
Glass house. Hurls boulders.
Last I checked Shrubby was a.....conservative!
We would be almost on the same page, but you have a "blame the victim mentality"
Dubai is alot more liberal than most muslim countries, as they are highly capitalistic.
On a side note, you really hate liberals, it seem to be your favorite word for people you see as substandard.
Who made the patriot act, and accused anyone " not with him as against him" and villified any protests as unpatriotic, your master, the Junior Shrub.
Glass house. Hurls boulders.
Last I checked Shrubby was a.....conservative!
Victim blaming? Was she a victim?
Just because she's a woman and he's a man doesn't make him auto-guilty of her allegations. I believe in innocence until proven guilty.
But there's evidence here just from the article they were both drinking and both got arrested for that fair and square by violating the laws of the foreign nation they were visiting.
Here's a hypothetical.
What if she and the colleague were both drinking and she slept with him and woke up with regret? Not uncommon for a married woman to do after she's just cheated on her husband while she and the guy she was with were drunk.
So, having realized she just messed up her marriage and feeling guilty as hell about it, she goes to the cops and tells them the guy she slept with raped her as to make herself appear to be innocent of what she had consented to during her drunken stupor with the guy who was also in a drunken stupor. This way if the sex ever gets back to her husband he will think she was raped and is innocent and not a cheater.
And it's not hard to imagine because a woman knows that a man she's bedded down with is going to probably be back for more eventually. So what does a woman do in that situation - she gets rid of the guy either by murdering him or claims he raped her so he gets locked up and at the minimum he knows to stay away from her in the future because he's going to think she's a crazy you know what. Obviously no cheating woman would ever want the guy she cheated with to show up one day and talk to her husband about how he scored with her and is here to take her away from him.
From the details of this particular case there doesn't seem to be any signs of any foul play. No scratches, bruises, or lacerations. Just her word and maybe some sexual fluids/DNA from the guy.
But that doesn't prove rape happened. Just that some sort of sexual exchange took place that could very well be consensual. A woman's word is not solid evidence of rape - especially if she's got ulterior motives behind her allegations such as we saw during the Duke Lacrosse rape case in the US and the Strauss Kahn rape allegation up in New York a few years ago where Strauss Kahn was dragged through the mud - and he's socialist and I definitely don't agree with his politics but I sensed something foul from the moment I heard about his case.
Both of those cases came down to money. Same could be true here if the guy is rich. But maybe she just wanted to have a one night stand with him and had regrets like I mentioned. Or maybe he did rape her. But if he was drunk and she was drunk I don't think that should ever be considered rape for the reasons I cited in my previous post.
A woman willing to cheat on her husband is certainly willing to lie some more I believe to restore her innocence in the eyes of society and her spouse or even her parents. Doesn't mean she's innocent. Just means you or they bought her BS.
Women are notorious masters of manipulation. Every man should know that. Doesn't take women much to bat those pretty eye lashes, cry a few fake tears, and act really weak and helpless to butter the hearts of men over. And men fall for it every time like a bunch of idiots.
Jodi Arias trial? The woman brutally murdered her boyfriend yet the mostly male jury couldn't give her the death penalty. She's a woman after all and somewhat attractive and I knew that no man would give her the death penalty because she's such a good actress and men just have this aversion to holding women equally culpable for their actions. But women are quick as hell to burn any man they have a chance to burn - especially if there's a crime against a woman. So women and men both equally hate men and women and men both equally love women. Amazing.
Put a black guy like me on trial for the same crime and I'd be toast. Hell, even a white man would have been toast for the same level of violence she committed against her boyfriend. 29 stab wounds to his body, sliced him from ear to ear, and then shot him in the face for good measure? Any man does that to a woman and he's going to get the needle for sure.
I'm not victim blaming anyone. I'm just pointing out the double-standards and saying I'm victim blaming is one in itself when all I'm looking for is some level of balance and fairness.
Karle94
07-22-13, 06:27 PM
He is "guilty" because he did it when she was sleeping. She woke up in the middle of the act. If someone violated you when you are sleeping, should you be blamed because you did not say no because you were sound asleep?
Platapus
07-22-13, 06:34 PM
I mean, in the US if a man and woman both drink and they both have consensual drunken sex - she can claim rape on him the next day because she can claim she was drunk and did not make a sober decision to consent to sex with him, thereby nullifying herself from any personal responsibility. But the drunk man is held responsible because well, he's a man, and even if he's drunk is supposed to make the right decision. He's not allowed to nullifying his responsibility and claim he was drunk and didn't know what he was doing or saying and he doesn't remember consenting to her either. So how do we know she didn't take advantage of him instead and rape him?
That is a huge injustice. A complete double standard.
He is "guilty" because he did it when she was sleeping. She woke up in the middle of the act. If someone violated you when you are sleeping, should you be blamed because you did not say no because you were sound asleep?
That's what she's alleged. Were you there to witness her allegations? If not then try reading what I wrote again and you'll see that allegations by alleged victims is not a wise or credible thing to base someone's guilt on. Lots of innocent people have been accused of crimes and wrongly imprisoned based on allegations alone. A person should have the right to be presumed innocent until they are proven guilty in a court of law of whatever crime they've been accused of.
America lately has just been taking the word of the accuser (usually a woman) in these cases and dragging the accused (usually a man) through the mud in the media. They even name him and show his picture while the accuser is protected from her identity being put out before the trial.
This doesn't make sense and allows people in the public to build up bias and be judgmental before even hearing the case. Some of these people might end up on the jury and the man doesn't stand a chance if they already have a low opinion of him.
Why not protect both from the media fairly?
In France, they do it backwards and protect the accused from the press while naming the accuser. This makes a little more sense than it does in America but I think both should be protected from the media fairly. Nobody should be convicted on a he said/she said allegation alone, else you're giving the victim the most weight and that's not justice which is supposed to be an even scale. Her word and his DNA is not really any better than just her word because males always leave DNA during sex and that doesn't prove rape happened - just that they had sex of some sort.
That is a huge injustice. A complete double standard.
That's how the US laws are.
Girl writes what (GWW) on http://www.avoiceformen.com/ has talked about this in great detail and on her YouTube channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat
Wolferz
07-23-13, 02:02 PM
Rape is an impossibility because a woman can run faster with her skirt up than a man can run with his pants down.:03:
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