Camp Twink - Feminizing boys to be like girls. (Sick)

[garren]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2013/07/15/_you_are_you_looks_at_a_gender_nonconforming_camp_ for_boys_photos.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBySjOAxQEQ :har:



http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a453/PandoBlack/facepalm.gif

[Nippelspanner]

The Affleck facepalm, you can take a very close look - it is for you.

This video/camp is a fake...

[Rockstar]

How many views will this topic get? :haha:

[garren]

The Affleck facepalm, you can take a very close look - it is for you.

This video/camp is a fake...


That's not Ben Affleck face palming. It's Ryan Reynolds.

The camp is real. Read the article.

[garren]

How many views will this topic get? :haha:


I suspect a few members on here send their boys to this camp. :haha:

[Nippelspanner]

That's not Ben Affleck face palming. It's Ryan Reynolds.

The camp is real. Read the article.

No it is not. I refuse to believe that!
You just made that up...not true at all!

I don't want to live on that planet anymore!

Now where is that suicide smiley if you need it!? :stare:

[garren]

I don't want to live on that planet anymore!




Make that two of us. Please stop the world. I want to get off. (Vomit emoticon)

[Feuer Frei!]

That's the society we live in.

The Parents in the first picture don't seem to have an issue with it. Far from it.

As to calling it 'sick', i think that's the wrong word to describe it.

50 years ago this would have been censored severly, to the point that it would have never taken off from the ground.

Times have changed.

Calling it sick is a personal opinion.

I don't share it.

[garren]

That's the society we live in..

What society is that?

The Parents in the first picture don't seem to have an issue with it. Far from it.

Nor do parents who molest their kids think there's anything wrong with that.


As to calling it 'sick', i think that's the wrong word to describe it.


I think it's the perfect word to describe it.


50 years ago this would have been censored severly, to the point that it would have never taken off from the ground.


Perhaps society should go back 50 years. At least things made sense.

Times have changed.

Again. We should probably go back 50 years.


Calling it sick is a personal opinion.


True. But my opinion is just as valid as anyone else's.

I don't share it.

Nor do I share yours. I see this as child abuse. If not physical, certainly mental. Some of the boys in the pictures look way too young to be deciding what sex they want to be. And when they grow up and realize they can't really be the opposite sex then they're going to have all sorts of mental issues when reality slaps them in the face. The ridicule these boys are going to receive might lead many of them towards suicide. Parents have an obligation to protect their kids and these parents aren't doing that. They are using them to change social norms they disagree with. I don't agree with parents using their children to push their agendas.

[Stealhead]

I think I am most proud of Nipplespammer for not knowing the difference between Ben Affleck and Ryan Reynolds.

If he where my son I would take him out and do something manly to insure that he did not become a queer or like French people or something I mean he is already German.:sunny:

Hate to break it to you garren but you're born with what ever sexual preference you happen to have so even if that camp is real those boys already behaved in a feminine manner anyway
no harm no foul.

Not a single person that I know just hit puberty and had to decide "do I like boys,girls,dogs,or rubber?"

[August]

It's Ryan Reynolds.

Isn't he Patrick Warburtons boyfriend in the movie Ted?

[Wolferz]

Slumber party in the woods with gays?
> GAG<

Is this some of the equal rights they've been fighting for? Basically an opportunity to add to their ranks.

Apparently, cross dressing isn't just for J Edgar Hoover anymore.:down:


"Hi! I'm Michael Jackson and I'll be your counselor here at Camp Confusion."

[Feuer Frei!]

What society is that?

The one we live in.



Nor do parents who molest their kids think there's anything wrong with that.

I was waiting for you to make a comparison. An unrealistic comparison as well.
Firstly, your thread 'implies' that the kids are forced\coerced\told\\blackmailed or any other way against their will into this 4 day camp by titling it: 'feminizing boys to be like girls'.
Who is feminizing the boys? Is it the parents? Is it the boys themselves?
No-one. The camp? Nope. The camp, as i see it is a 'release' and a safe haven\ground for these kids to be themselves for a few days, away from the stereotypical and ignorant garbage that Society (yes, there's that word again) dishes out to anything that's not considered 'normal' or mainstream in the eyes of the ignorant buffoons who can't and won't accept gender differences in our....society.
Still living in the dark ages i suspect.
To me it seems utterly normal that a 'safe haven', such as this camp exists where people, or boys in this case can be themselves without being judged, bullied, harrassed, annoyed, sexually discriminated against, physically discriminated against, verbally discriminated against, etc etc.
Don't see the harm in it.
You seem to, firstly by creating the thread, then putting your slant on it by calling it sick, then by responding to my reply with a certain tone of venom and defensiveness.
Your comparison of these boys being able to 'come out' and being themselves, as the article describes, and comparing that to parents who molest children is a seriously bad example and i suggest you come up with a much more realistic and relative example next time.





I think it's the perfect word to describe it.
Of course you do.
I would be interested to see what you thought of parents molesting children are then. Sick?



Perhaps society should go back 50 years. At least things made sense.
Society 50 years ago was a lot, and i stress the word lot more reserved and intolerant to gender issues than today.
We've come a long long way since then, although there is a long way to go until acceptance of issues such as these are addressed and moreso fully understood, and most importantly, the stigmas surrounding gender equality accepted and dealt with in a mature and empathetic way.



Again. We should probably go back 50 years.
Probably not, since your thread wouldn't have got the replies it has so far.
It would have disappeared off the front page of GT quickly i suspect.
Although, i would have commended you for sharing it and shedding some light on this subject and perhaps educate some people and give it exposure which would have not happened 50 years ago.




True. But my opinion is just as valid as anyone else's.

Of course. I just made an opinion, like you, to state that calling it sick is far-fetched.
In my eyes. Nothing more, nothing less.



I see this as child abuse. Don't see how, since there is no forcing of children being driven to these camps and quiete frankly the pictures seem to indicate that the boys and parents alike are actually enjoying themselves. Now before we jump down my throat and call me ignorant to the allegations that the media is very capable of not delivereing the full story or portraying this story as factual or not giving us the complete facts, of whether the parents are or are not forcing the boys to take part or not is another story.
Going off the pictures and the content of the story, it seems that it's a harmless, mutual and happy time had by all. If not physical, certainly mental. How de we know? We don't. All i can conclude is that both parties are there at the camp by mutual agreement. If there is any signs of child abuse going on, mentally, physically or both, investigations would have already ensued by now, not least of the fact that this camp has been given exposure to the media and would already have been scrutinized by child protection services and other departments responsible for the welfare of children. Had that been the case. Or if that is the case. Some of the boys in the pictures look way too young to be deciding what sex they want to be. Agree. You and I may not agree on the parents being able to make certain decisions for their children, based on our beliefs, or our reservedness when it comes to issues like this. And when they grow up and realize they can't really be the opposite sex then they're going to have all sorts of mental issues when reality slaps them in the face. Can't be? Why not? You're talking about the physical attributes of womanhood? Therefore becoming a woman via surgical methods? Or? Transgender people are being accepted more and more in todays' society. Once again, we've come along way, still a long way to go.
Reality will only slap them in the face if certain sections of todays society displays the usual ignorant and stereotypical garbage that we see. Worse still, violent behaviour shown towards transgendered people, resulting in suicide, death, mental and physical scarring, trauma, the list goes on. They have morew chance of becoming what they want to become nowadays then say 50 years ago. In my eyes that can only be a good thing. The ridicule these boys are going to receive might lead many of them towards suicide.See above. Parents have an obligation to protect their kids and these parents aren't doing that. How are they not protecting them? And we are discussing the article you posted and entirely drawing conclusions just from that article and discussing only the camp and its purpose and nothing else. I don't see that the parents in this article would be 'protecting their boys by not giving them support and the freedom to attend a camp such as this and let them be themselves, as the article describes it. Remember, just because a child looks young, doesn't mean to say we should underestimate the perceptions of a child. They are using them to change social norms they disagree with. I don't think so at all. I think the article is a report on a camp that gives children the opportunity to be themselves and the parents are anything but bleating their disapproval of society's ignorant and unaccepting stance on gender issues. I don't agree with parents using their children to push their agendas.
That's fine, i don't either. But i don't see it. Still. No agenda-pushing going on here.

The gender issues we have faced, as a society so far, has taught us that, as i said above, we have a long way to go.

[razark]

Some of the boys in the pictures look way too young to be deciding what sex they want to be.
Just out of curiosity, at what age did you make a conscious decision that you wanted to be a boy or girl?

[Red October1984]

Here's a thread that should probably stop.... :nope:

[garren]

The one we live in.





I was waiting for you to make a comparison. An unrealistic comparison as well.
Firstly, your thread 'implies' that the kids are forced\coerced\told\\blackmailed or any other way against their will into this 4 day camp by titling it: 'feminizing boys to be like girls'.
Who is feminizing the boys? Is it the parents? Is it the boys themselves?
No-one. The camp? Nope. The camp, as i see it is a 'release' and a safe haven\ground for these kids to be themselves for a few days, away from the stereotypical and ignorant garbage that Society (yes, there's that word again) dishes out to anything that's not considered 'normal' or mainstream in the eyes of the ignorant buffoons who can't and won't accept gender differences in our....society.
Still living in the dark ages i suspect.
To me it seems utterly normal that a 'safe haven', such as this camp exists where people, or boys in this case can be themselves without being judged, bullied, harrassed, annoyed, sexually discriminated against, physically discriminated against, verbally discriminated against, etc etc.
Don't see the harm in it.
You seem to, firstly by creating the thread, then putting your slant on it by calling it sick, then by responding to my reply with a certain tone of venom and defensiveness.
Your comparison of these boys being able to 'come out' and being themselves, as the article describes, and comparing that to parents who molest children is a seriously bad example and i suggest you come up with a much more realistic and relative example next time.






Of course you do.
I would be interested to see what you thought of parents molesting children are then. Sick?




Society 50 years ago was a lot, and i stress the word lot more reserved and intolerant to gender issues than today.
We've come a long long way since then, although there is a long way to go until acceptance of issues such as these are addressed and moreso fully understood, and most importantly, the stigmas surrounding gender equality accepted and dealt with in a mature and empathetic way.




Probably not, since your thread wouldn't have got the replies it has so far.
It would have disappeared off the front page of GT quickly i suspect.
Although, i would have commended you for sharing it and shedding some light on this subject and perhaps educate some people and give it exposure which would have not happened 50 years ago.






Of course. I just made an opinion, like you, to state that calling it sick is far-fetched.
In my eyes. Nothing more, nothing less.



Don't see how, since there is no forcing of children being driven to these camps and quiete frankly the pictures seem to indicate that the boys and parents alike are actually enjoying themselves. Now before we jump down my throat and call me ignorant to the allegations that the media is very capable of not delivereing the full story or portraying this story as factual or not giving us the complete facts, of whether the parents are or are not forcing the boys to take part or not is another story.
Going off the pictures and the content of the story, it seems that it's a harmless, mutual and happy time had by all. How de we know? We don't. All i can conclude is that both parties are there at the camp by mutual agreement. If there is any signs of child abuse going on, mentally, physically or both, investigations would have already ensued by now, not least of the fact that this camp has been given exposure to the media and would already have been scrutinized by child protection services and other departments responsible for the welfare of children. Had that been the case. Or if that is the case. Agree. You and I may not agree on the parents being able to make certain decisions for their children, based on our beliefs, or our reservedness when it comes to issues like this. Can't be? Why not? You're talking about the physical attributes of womanhood? Therefore becoming a woman via surgical methods? Or? Transgender people are being accepted more and more in todays' society. Once again, we've come along way, still a long way to go.
Reality will only slap them in the face if certain sections of todays society displays the usual ignorant and stereotypical garbage that we see. Worse still, violent behaviour shown towards transgendered people, resulting in suicide, death, mental and physical scarring, trauma, the list goes on. They have morew chance of becoming what they want to become nowadays then say 50 years ago. In my eyes that can only be a good thing. .See above. How are they not protecting them? And we are discussing the article you posted and entirely drawing conclusions just from that article and discussing only the camp and its purpose and nothing else. I don't see that the parents in this article would be 'protecting their boys by not giving them support and the freedom to attend a camp such as this and let them be themselves, as the article describes it. Remember, just because a child looks young, doesn't mean to say we should underestimate the perceptions of a child. I don't think so at all. I think the article is a report on a camp that gives children the opportunity to be themselves and the parents are anything but bleating their disapproval of society's ignorant and unaccepting stance on gender issues.
That's fine, i don't either. But i don't see it. Still. No agenda-pushing going on here.

The gender issues we have faced, as a society so far, has taught us that, as i said above, we have a long way to go.


There's no such thing as "transgender". One can not change the sex they were born with. There's only genital mutilation and pretending to be something you're not.

And why does society have to be accepting of these.... people (or do they not want to be people anymore)? I don't want to offend them if they wish to be aliens from the planet Twink if that's what they wish to be. After all, being a "person" is as oppressive as a male being a male and a female being a female.

How about they conform to social norms instead? Remember, "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." And that was a liberal that said that.

Seems to be some misandry in the article as well. "Nasty dark boy aisle". Not pushing an agenda huh? It reeks of female supremacy. Attacking masculinity and maleness is not any way to win acceptance.

[garren]

Just out of curiosity, at what age did you make a conscious decision that you wanted to be a boy or girl?

My father's DNA made the decision for me. I got my Y chromosome from him just like any male alive got his Y from his father. And I grew up doing masculine things from the time I was born. But thankfully my parents didn't use me as a guinea pig to push their social agenda onto the mainstream society by deliberately emasculating me like these parents are doing to their kids. I bet a lot of these boys eventually commit suicide or go on shooting sprees in their schools in the future. They're never going to know who they are or what they are because of their parents abuse of them.

[garren]

"Hi! I'm Michael Jackson and I'll be your counselor here at Camp Confusion."




This. :har:

[razark]

If age doesn't matter in this, why bring it up? Shift those goalposts! Dehumanize the opposition. Appeal to fear. Make baseless accusations.

Not that there's going to be any productive discussion here. Not everyone will live up to your idea of "normal", and there's no reason to expect them to. As long as no one is forcing you to do something you do not want, what does it hurt you to let others live their lives?

[garren]

If age doesn't matter in this, why bring it up? Shift those goalposts! Dehumanize the opposition. Appeal to fear. Make baseless accusations.

Not that there's going to be any productive discussion here. Not everyone will live up to your idea of "normal", and there's no reason to expect them to. As long as no one is forcing you to do something you do not want, what does it hurt you to let others live their lives?

Because this is child abuse. Exploiting children in this manner is abuse. It's no different than child porn in my opinion. These boys in the photos are much too young to know what they want to be when they grow up and their parents are exploiting that weakness of being too ignorant to understand the world and how it works.

I had a daughter and when she was young she wanted to be a kitty. Did I take her to a camp where they spay and declaw kids so she could be a kitty? Of course not.

[Red October1984]

...declaw kids so she could be a kitty? Of course not.

Kids don't have claws....that's probably why. :hmmm:


The way I see this, the parents can raise their children however they want. They have to live with their decision so why are we judging these parents? If they think it's bad and they do it anyway, they live with the consequence.

They aren't sending Straight kids into a camp and they're coming out Gay. It isn't the Assembly Line of Homosexuality.

It's a choice. I personally don't support it...but I won't hate the people just because they're Gay or they send their kid to a camp that is more feminine.

[Feuer Frei!]

There's no such thing as "transgender". Really? Here's something to read up on then...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender
One can not change the sex they were born with. No, but i can only imagine what some transgendered People, including adolescents go through in gender identity wrestles. Of course there is much more to it than just thinking to oneself: Oh, i'm a boy but i want to be a girl. If it was as simple as that, there would be far less Deaths in this world, due to the fact that transition would be easier, acceptance would be easier, and the Person's life would be less about fighting with a crisis on both fronts. The outside front, the world, and the inside front, the person's own self.
and pretending to be something you're not.Pretending? These People are so far removed from the thought of yours that they are just pretending to be a girl or boy, and it's not to assume that that is what gender identity is. A game.


And why does society have to be accepting of these Why? Because they have the right to live on this Earth just the same as you do. As i do.
That's one reason.
I gather you haven't come across many transgender people in your lifes travels? Are you disgusted by transgender people? I won't ask what offends you about them, since that will lead into other discussions which the community of Subsim needs sparing from. .... people :haha: You had to think about that. (or do they not want to be people anymore)? That's another reason why society should accept them. Infact a massive reason why. All along transgender people have been fighting for just that. To be recognised as people. To be part of society just like the 'normal' people. Straight, mainstream (considered by reservist ignorant and ill-informed members of society) etc etc.
How about they conform to social norms instead? Say what? You mean conform to your standards, don't you? Remember, "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." Yea, and transgender people serve in the forces. Do you? And that was a liberal that said that. Yea, very liberal quote that.

Seems to be some misandry in the article as well. "Nasty dark boy aisle". Not pushing an agenda huh? It reeks of female supremacy. Attacking masculinity and maleness is not any way to win acceptance.:haha: Is your masculinity threatened so much by this article that you had to post it in the hope that you would stir or awaken some section of this community into battle for your side, which seems to be the side that doesn't accept transgender people and that persons who are battling with gender identity are sic and that parents who molest children are being compared to this article in some way, which is quiete frankly as laughable as the question that you asked why society should accept these people.

I really don't hesitate to think that by putting the (sick) in your thread title was a about as convenient as it was wrong.

I suggest that posting articles on GT in future would be a little more unbiased and devoid of your obviously-unaccepting attitudes towards said subject matter.

Have a good day.

[Tribesman]

Another gay thing from garren.:rotfl2:

[BossMark]

Jesus H bloody Christ :nope:

[Tribesman]

Jesus H bloody Christ :nope:
Kinda reminds me of Jesus Camp, which brings up .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkWcT9CVOrs

[Skybird]

http://cuncti.net/

http://sciencefiles.org/

http://genderama.blogspot.de/

For German-tongued readers, some sites that frequently deal with the crime-against-sexual-identity that over here is called genderism, and which is nothing than the revival of ultra-orthodox feminism and the intended discrimination of male humans and male values. It is sickening - and since the early 90s official and integral part of of EU policy-enforcing.

I am not against equal rights (and duties!) for women, I am all fore equality. But to me that means equality before the law, fair chances for both sexes according to their unique characteristics, it does not mean to deny differences and to make equal in form what is not equal in form. I compare to the kind of equality I support for a white and a black person when looking for a job or facing the court: nobody would claim by that equality-demand that there are no whites and blacks by skin colour, and even small differences in physiology between whites ans blacks that doctors even have to take into account when prescribing drugs. Equality for women and men means: justice, not more and not less. But genderism is not about equality, but female dominance, demonising of male qualities, and what makes it worse is that itn is not even a natural feminine quality that should dominate, but a perverted, obsessed, supremacist tyrant with boobs who holds a deep-rooting disgust if not outright hate for what is associated with being male. Genderism presentes this extremist feminism once again, basing on the psychologically and medically undefendable lie that people are born without any sexual preferences or identity and thus can be engineered to be the one or the other sex in all intellectual, emotional, behavioral, motivational and other regards. - WHICH IS TOTAL AND COMPLETE BULLSH!T. Even the existence of homosexuality and trans-sexuality (a male psyche trapped in a female body or the other way around) proves that this feminist claim of a sexual "tabula rasa" is nonsense. But it serves an ideological purpose to spread this propaganda.

Genderism is the revival of extremist feminism of the most hate-filled, the worst, the most supremacist kind. And after having changed the label feminism for genderism, it has become more successful (while deceptive) than ever before. If you follow related developments over here since some longer time - like I do -, then you know how terribly it already is going wrong. The disadvantaging of fathers in family court cases also is a status in which to achieve genderism has had a very decisive word. The discrimination of men is being turned into valid laws more and more, and I do not even mention how politically correct genderistas have started to rape the German language in a bid to delete the male qualities from it. Since this feminist policy works wonderfully in relativising and destroying the institution of family and parents as well, it is neither a surprise that in the wake of this ideological crusade the termini of "mother" and "father" gets deleted as well, nor is it surprising that the political left, eager to destroy bourgeois "family" and replace it with leftist concepts of state-driven collectives.

Long live the differences between men and women! They are what bring us together. Genderism, feminism, chauvinism: let it rot in hell - and those supporting it along with it. I see the danger and predatory nature of these new feminists, and I deal with them accordingly, yes - but I refuse to take them intellectually serious. They are basing almost exclusively on propaganda lies that have been shown - even by moderate and educated feminists! - to be simply wrong so many times before, over and over again, since years and years. And yet their lobby still spreads the same old lies again and again - and more successfull since 15 or 20 years than ever before.

[Nippelspanner]

I think I am most proud of Nipplespammer for not knowing the difference between Ben Affleck and Ryan Reynolds.

If he where my son I would take him out and do something manly to insure that he did not become a queer or like French people or something I mean he is already German.:sunny:

Uhhhhh...

[Oberon]

What a delightful thread full of reasoned debate, level headedness and non-bigotry. Truly a shining example of the heights of which GT has ascended.

[HunterICX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cGYNuoCigGY#t=44s

HunterICX

[Dowly]

What a delightful thread full of reasoned debate, level headedness and non-bigotry. Truly a shining example of the heights of which GT has ascended.

What a surprise. As I've said plenty of times: This place is a complete mess.

I regularly visit the JREF forums, where a wide range of topics are discussed that
one could say are "controversial", yet the discussion most of the time stays civil.

[Oberon]

What a surprise. As I've said plenty of times: This place is a complete mess.

Oh, but it's 'always been this way', and therefore it must always be this way. No matter how low it stoops. :nope:

Still, at least there's the odd diamond in the rough, like your Roman podcasts which I shall continue listening to today. :yep::up:

[antikristuseke]

I like turtles and I want to go to camp now.

[garren]

http://cuncti.net/

http://sciencefiles.org/

http://genderama.blogspot.de/

For German-tongued readers, some sites that frequently deal with the crime-against-sexual-identity that over here is called genderism, and which is nothing than the revival of ultra-orthodox feminism and the intended discrimination of male humans and male values. It is sickening - and since the early 90s official and integral part of of EU policy-enforcing.

I am not against equal rights (and duties!) for women, I am all fore equality. But to me that means equality before the law, fair chances for both sexes according to their unique characteristics, it does not mean to deny differences and to make equal in form what is not equal in form. I compare to the kind of equality I support for a white and a black person when looking for a job or facing the court: nobody would claim by that equality-demand that there are no whites and blacks by skin colour, and even small differences in physiology between whites ans blacks that doctors even have to take into account when prescribing drugs. Equality for women and men means: justice, not more and not less. But genderism is not about equality, but female dominance, demonising of male qualities, and what makes it worse is that itn is not even a natural feminine quality that should dominate, but a perverted, obsessed, supremacist tyrant with boobs who holds a deep-rooting disgust if not outright hate for what is associated with being male. Genderism presentes this extremist feminism once again, basing on the psychologically and medically undefendable lie that people are born without any sexual preferences or identity and thus can be engineered to be the one or the other sex in all intellectual, emotional, behavioral, motivational and other regards. - WHICH IS TOTAL AND COMPLETE BULLSH!T. Even the existence of homosexuality and trans-sexuality (a male psyche trapped in a female body or the other way around) proves that this feminist claim of a sexual "tabula rasa" is nonsense. But it serves an ideological purpose to spread this propaganda.

Genderism is the revival of extremist feminism of the most hate-filled, the worst, the most supremacist kind. And after having changed the label feminism for genderism, it has become more successful (while deceptive) than ever before. If you follow related developments over here since some longer time - like I do -, then you know how terribly it already is going wrong. The disadvantaging of fathers in family court cases also is a status in which to achieve genderism has had a very decisive word. The discrimination of men is being turned into valid laws more and more, and I do not even mention how politically correct genderistas have started to rape the German language in a bid to delete the male qualities from it. Since this feminist policy works wonderfully in relativising and destroying the institution of family and parents as well, it is neither a surprise that in the wake of this ideological crusade the termini of "mother" and "father" gets deleted as well, nor is it surprising that the political left, eager to destroy bourgeois "family" and replace it with leftist concepts of state-driven collectives.

Long live the differences between men and women! They are what bring us together. Genderism, feminism, chauvinism: let it rot in hell - and those supporting it along with it. I see the danger and predatory nature of these new feminists, and I deal with them accordingly, yes - but I refuse to take them intellectually serious. They are basing almost exclusively on propaganda lies that have been shown - even by moderate and educated feminists! - to be simply wrong so many times before, over and over again, since years and years. And yet their lobby still spreads the same old lies again and again - and more successfull since 15 or 20 years than ever before.


Agreed 100% :up:

[MH]

Although it is unknown if the kids at the camp will eventually identify as gay or transgender—or even if the way gender and sexuality are defined throughout society will evolve—the camp allows the kids to look at themselves in a completely different way

Have nothing against gays/transgenders or whatever but this is lame idea.
Is this camp for the parents or the kids :03:

I would categorise it as same crap as Toddlers & Tiaras.

[Sailor Steve]

What a surprise. As I've said plenty of times: This place is a complete mess.

Oh, but it's 'always been this way', and therefore it must always be this way. No matter how low it stoops. :nope:
So, what do you suggest?

[Tchocky]

http://cuncti.net/

http://sciencefiles.org/

http://genderama.blogspot.de/

For German-tongued readers, some sites that frequently deal with the crime-against-sexual-identity that over here is called genderism, and which is nothing than the revival of ultra-orthodox feminism and the intended discrimination of male humans and male values. It is sickening - and since the early 90s official and integral part of of EU policy-enforcing.

I am not against equal rights (and duties!) for women, I am all fore equality. But to me that means equality before the law, fair chances for both sexes according to their unique characteristics, it does not mean to deny differences and to make equal in form what is not equal in form. I compare to the kind of equality I support for a white and a black person when looking for a job or facing the court: nobody would claim by that equality-demand that there are no whites and blacks by skin colour, and even small differences in physiology between whites ans blacks that doctors even have to take into account when prescribing drugs. Equality for women and men means: justice, not more and not less. But genderism is not about equality, but female dominance, demonising of male qualities, and what makes it worse is that itn is not even a natural feminine quality that should dominate, but a perverted, obsessed, supremacist tyrant with boobs who holds a deep-rooting disgust if not outright hate for what is associated with being male. Genderism presentes this extremist feminism once again, basing on the psychologically and medically undefendable lie that people are born without any sexual preferences or identity and thus can be engineered to be the one or the other sex in all intellectual, emotional, behavioral, motivational and other regards. - WHICH IS TOTAL AND COMPLETE BULLSH!T. Even the existence of homosexuality and trans-sexuality (a male psyche trapped in a female body or the other way around) proves that this feminist claim of a sexual "tabula rasa" is nonsense. But it serves an ideological purpose to spread this propaganda.

Genderism is the revival of extremist feminism of the most hate-filled, the worst, the most supremacist kind. And after having changed the label feminism for genderism, it has become more successful (while deceptive) than ever before. If you follow related developments over here since some longer time - like I do -, then you know how terribly it already is going wrong. The disadvantaging of fathers in family court cases also is a status in which to achieve genderism has had a very decisive word. The discrimination of men is being turned into valid laws more and more, and I do not even mention how politically correct genderistas have started to rape the German language in a bid to delete the male qualities from it. Since this feminist policy works wonderfully in relativising and destroying the institution of family and parents as well, it is neither a surprise that in the wake of this ideological crusade the termini of "mother" and "father" gets deleted as well, nor is it surprising that the political left, eager to destroy bourgeois "family" and replace it with leftist concepts of state-driven collectives.

Long live the differences between men and women! They are what bring us together. Genderism, feminism, chauvinism: let it rot in hell - and those supporting it along with it. I see the danger and predatory nature of these new feminists, and I deal with them accordingly, yes - but I refuse to take them intellectually serious. They are basing almost exclusively on propaganda lies that have been shown - even by moderate and educated feminists! - to be simply wrong so many times before, over and over again, since years and years. And yet their lobby still spreads the same old lies again and again - and more successfull since 15 or 20 years than ever before.



but I refuse to take them intellectually serious.

Funny that.

[garren]

Funny that.


He has a valid point. Just read this...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/washington-state-gets-rid-sexist-language-162549523.html


He was talking about them changing the German language... Well here they are changing the English language as well.

These people hate men and masculinity so much that they are distancing themselves from any word that ends in "man" or "men" because they feel that these words are sexist towards women. So I guess "women" can't be "wo-men" anymore? And we can't be "hu-man" anymore either? The Navy will have to stop calling them "Seaman" and be PC/gender neutral and call them "Sea person". Wait! Can't call them a "per-son" either because that discriminates against daughters. What nonsense! :nope:

I've read they are even going to alter any and all history records in the city of Seattle to be politically correct/gender neutral as well because feminists whined that women were not given proper recognition in the past so all documents have to be changed. Reminds me of the crap Hitler was doing.:hmm2:

But there's still phrases like "bad guys" of course and those are OK with them because anything that demeans men or makes men out to be villains is still appropriate to them of course.

[AVGWarhawk]

Nothing new. Policeman is police person or law enforcement officer. Mailman is mail person or postal worker. PC at it's finest.

[Armistead]

This is no better than those radical religious camps. I see anything like this dangerous before puberty. If your kids are gay, let them grow into it at their pace and figure it out for themselves, not screw with their heads before they know better.

The new norm, no norm. I guess the goal of humanity is that we all become multi-racial bi-sexuals.

[soopaman2]

This is no better than those radical religious camps. I see anything like this dangerous before puberty. If your kids are gay, let them grow into it at their pace and figure it out for themselves, not screw with their heads before they know better.


Michele "batboy" Bachmans (thank you Minnesota) husband ran a "pray the gay away" clinic on taxpayer subsidies.

Maybe they can go there for neutralization therapy, hopefully they will stop craving carpets, and pretzel rods, and become ambiguous.

Just pointing out a contrast.

Bigotry flows both ways in this great nation, Americans love to hate each other..

Not me though, I love you guys! :)

[Oberon]

So, what do you suggest?

Well, in this particular instance, given that this thread was started for no purpose other than to stir up hatred against a particular group of people then I would recommend locking it and infracting the op.

[Tribesman]

Well, in this particular instance, given that this thread was started for no purpose other than to stir up hatred against a particular group of people then I would recommend locking it and infracting the op.

Well I am not sure about that, I think the purpose may be one of projection, in which case the hatred is directed at himself. It does seem a rather common occurance on the subject of homosexuality
As for infracting, well....Giving infractions is gay! So lame. I hate this site......
and it will only lead to another internet forum suicide note which apparently is a plea for help.

[soopaman2]

Well I am not sure about that, I think the purpose may be one of projection, in which case the hatred is directed at himself. It does seem a rather common occurance on the subject of homosexuality
As for infracting, well....Giving infractions is gay! So lame. I hate this site......
and it will only lead to another internet forum suicide note which apparently is a plea for help.

A personal plea for help, in a hope to supress the feelings in others he feels so strongly but resists due to societal and/or religious reasons.

It's only gay if you kiss back Garren. :haha:

I though I spouted stupid crap, but this guy makes me look like Stephen Hawking.

[garren]

Well, in this particular instance, given that this thread was started for no purpose other than to stir up hatred against a particular group of people then I would recommend locking it and infracting the op.


Whoa! Hold on now. Almost any political thread could be taken as "hate" on here. I don't hate these boys the article is about, nor do I hate gays. I just don't agree with these parents using their sons as political pawns to push their personal agenda. No way in hell are these boys old enough to choose a sexual preference. 3 years old? Come on now.

[Red October1984]

Time for a good lock... :nope:

[Nippelspanner]

Whoa! Hold on now. Almost any political thread could be taken as "hate" on here. I don't hate these boys the article is about, nor do I hate gays. I just don't agree with these parents using their sons as political pawns to push their personal agenda. No way in hell are these boys old enough to choose a sexual preference. 3 years old? Come on now.

Ok, I am really not a fan of garren... but he has a point here. I don't feel it is about the kids, it is more about parents doing a terrible job. Someone mentioned it: Toddlers & Tiaras... same 'sick' bullcrap...

[garren]

Ok, I am really not a fan of garren... but he has a point here.


Geez, thanks I guess. :hmmm:

[soopaman2]

Time for a good lock... :nope:

Nah, honestly, and no joke I can see where he is coming from.

It is a viewpoint, and we debated it, even made fun of it.

Locking threads is lame, and an easy out rather dealing with something with debate and fact exchange..

Like that Zimmerman thread....
Oops!
Subsim should never be about locking...maybe muting troublemakers, but not nuking discussions because they are too hot to handle.

We are better than most boards.

Prove a person wrong, don't silence them, even mock them when proving wrong fails, but as long as they do not violate rules, why lock?

[Sailor Steve]

Threads here are not usually locked lightly, or for bad reasons. That thread was worn out. No one was contributing anything new, and people were down to trading barbs with each other. One of the things we look for is overall civility. Even GT is not the place to be insulting people or calling them names, and that doesn't just include members.

Any time you disagree with policy decisions you can PM Neal Stevens. It's his forum and his opinion is the only one that matters.

[soopaman2]

Threads here are not usually locked lightly, or for bad reasons. That thread was worn out. No one was contributing anything new, and people were down to trading barbs with each other. One of the things we look for is overall civility. Even GT is not the place to be insulting people or calling them names, and that doesn't just include members.

Any time you disagree with policy decisions you can PM Neal Stevens. It's his forum and his opinion is the only one that matters.


Sorry Steve, I wasn't trying to be an ass towards you, you know your my pal, and I like ya lots.:up:

I just never in my time here seen a thread locked, and it kinda disturbed me. Considering it never even got that bad, just that it was so polarizing politically.

So here is people asking for a lock for Garren.

His views are a touch...Uhh repulsive, but is it any less valid? Prove it wrong! Not just lock because you hate what he is saying.

For the record, I hate his views, but he should be able to have them debated, not just summarily locked.

[Sailor Steve]

Sorry Steve, I wasn't trying to be an ass towards you, you know your my pal, and I like ya lots.:up:
I never said you were. I don't know where that came from.

I just never in my time here seen a thread locked, and it kinda disturbed me. Considering it never even got that bad, just that it was so polarizing politically.
There have been quite a few threads locked since you've been here. I'm not sure how you missed them. Usually it will be because things have become too heated, and sometimes after a cooling down period they'll be opened again with a warning. Other threads serve no purpose at all except to be inflammatory, so they're locked for cause.

So here is people asking for a lock for Garren.
That's the way they feel, and it's their right to say so. It may be locked if it gets out of hand.

Not just lock because you hate what he is saying.
Nobody gets infracted and no thread gets locked just because someone disagrees with his opinions, though many trolls will claim otherwise. We do have rules regarding hate speech, personal insults and some other things, and breaking those rules is what brings trouble.

The reason the Zimmerman thread was locked because there was no debate left. More and more people were stooping to nothing but insults. At that point it serves no further purpose.

For the record, I hate his views, but he should be able to have them debated, not just summarily locked.
And I agree, but when anyone makes wisecracks about other members he is warned. If he steps over the line he is infracted. It's not about the opinions, it's about the way they are expressed.

[Armistead]

Sorry Steve, I wasn't trying to be an ass towards you, you know your my pal, and I like ya lots.:up:

I just never in my time here seen a thread locked, and it kinda disturbed me. Considering it never even got that bad, just that it was so polarizing politically.

So here is people asking for a lock for Garren.

His views are a touch...Uhh repulsive, but is it any less valid? Prove it wrong! Not just lock because you hate what he is saying.

For the record, I hate his views, but he should be able to have them debated, not just summarily locked.

Heck, I've had several threads locked, no fault of my own of course...

I could'n't be a mod, I'd already banned the lot of you, including myself.

[CaptainHaplo]

Back to the original topic....

If - as the article claims, these children are not able to "identify" their gender at 3 years old - do doctors need to explain to parents about the different gender "plumbing"?

Also, does it not then logically state that the parents - by virtue of putting their 3 yr old, confused child into a camp where they are changing outfits, modeling dresses, applying makeup, etc throughout the day - aka feminine activies - choosing for the child? After all - if the kid doesn't know and the parents dress him up like a girl, they are telling that child he is a girl, regardless of everything else. The same parents that screech in horror that society is "forcing" gender identification down their kids throats - are doing exactly the same thing the other direction by sending their confused kid to camp.

Let the kid figure it out on their own - otherwise your just replacing one dogmatic decree from society with another dogmatic decree from the parents. What ever happened to just loving and accepting your kid for who they are while you bring them up right?

[Red October1984]

I can see garren's point...it's just the wording that might stir the pot and cause problems.

It's a good point, I just don't want this to get out of hand and people start getting infractions left and right.

I couldn't be a mod either. I would try if offered, but I probably won't be offered. I don't think I would go as far as to ban a lot of people...but keep them in line. :smug:


If we can have a serious civil discussion that doesn't result in infractions/locks/etc that would be a miracle. :doh:

[soopaman2]

Heck, I've had several threads locked, no fault of my own of course...

I could'n't be a mod, I'd already banned the lot of you, including myself.


Yeah me too, I am a hothead! This board would be me and Yubba if I had my way! (MORE FOR MY OWN PERSONAL AMUSEMENT)

Thanks Sailor Steve for adressing me. I understand:salute:

No love lost?

[Red October1984]

Let the kid figure it out on their own - otherwise your just replacing one dogmatic decree from society with another dogmatic decree from the parents. What ever happened to just loving and accepting your kid for who they are while you bring them up right?

That is how it should be. Let the kid decide for himself.

[garren]

And I agree, but when anyone makes wisecracks about other members he is warned.

I get warned when others make wisecracks about other members? :doh:

Guys, please don't insult one another on here. I'm taking a lot of abuse from Steve when you get out of line with one another.

If he steps over the line he is infracted.

It's because I'm black isn't it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDOPJawut4Y

[Spiced_Rum]

What I love about this GT forum is that the subjects are diverse, and anyone is free to submit their comments no matter their opinion. I read some threads and despair at the narrow mindedness or naivety but welcome the freedom to say what you think.

I have my own worldview based on life experience, culture, ethics, etc, but I welcome other viewpoints as it challenges my ideas and opens up my mind to look at a subject in a different way.

I was taught that at the dinner table you should not discuss religion, politics or sex. I save those subjects for the bar, where you can create a better world over a few social drinks.

If I have strong opinions I try to keep them to myself, rather than add to the mix, although the odd sarcastic comment or minor troll can be amusing to see who bites or runs with the idea. Debating is interesting, and I can be surprised by what I read from more knowledgeable or literate members.

The most important thing for the forum is civility, not getting too personal over a posting (even if the poster is a complete f-wit :03:) because politeness and respect does not cost anything. I accept the rules here because I want to be part of this Subsim society. :arrgh!:

[Sailor Steve]

I get warned when others make wisecracks about other members? :doh:
You were warned about your own comment, nobody else's

Guys, please don't insult one another on here.
Good advice, which you should heed yourself.

I'm taking a lot of abuse from Steve when you get out of line with one another.
Please show where.

It's because I'm black isn't it?
I assume you're making a joke. If not, then no, that doesn't enter into it. Besides, we have only your word for that. You've taken no abuse from me. You've gotten into trouble because of the way you post, not for your opinions or any other reason. Much of the time you seem to post just to stir the pot and see how much trouble you can cause.

[soopaman2]

In all fairness I whacked you harder than Steve has.

I think you are taking my defense of you the wrong way.

I am not defending your closed minded opinion, just your debate of it.

Mind you, as long as it is a reasonable debate, and not chock full -o- bigotry.

My tolerance is higher than most here, I appreciate a good troll, so maybe you amuse me, but trust me Garren, there is ways to convey the same beliefs without invoking such hate., or projecting intolerance.

You kinda are a firebrand, calm down man. We will listen.

The one man to make me look like a reasonable fella. Silly willy ;)

[Jimbuna]

I assume you're making a joke. If not, then no, that doesn't enter into it. Besides, we have only your word for that. You've taken no abuse from me. You've gotten into trouble because of the way you post, not for your opinions or any other reason. Much of the time you seem to post just to stir the pot and see how much trouble you can cause.

Sound advice...can we all stay OT please.

[Dowly]

So, what do you suggest?

Nothing. I dont see it changing.

[Sailor Steve]

It certainly won't change if you complain but don't offer any helpful hints.

[u crank]

Well I wish I could say that nothing surprises me any more, but I can't.

I have only one question. I really wonder if the parents of these children are doing all that they can to see that their children get a well rounded view of the world? Are they encouraging, not forcing, their children to participate in all aspects of childhood. Or is it a view of the world that they wish to see played out?

[em2nought]

So can a boy scout get a merit badge for attending this camp? :D

[garren]

So can a boy scout get a merit badge for attending this camp? :D


Only for the popsicle sucking contest. :har:

[soopaman2]

Only for the popsicle sucking contest. :har:


OK, now that is funny.

A little blue, but ya know it made ya lol.

I will say it like this, if you do not believe it, then DO NOT send your kids to camp Lickalotta. (no joke it exists)

http://camplickalotta.webs.com/

Americans are tolerant? well non hardcore religious Americans are tolerant, the rest are bordering on the brink of tax free hate groups.

[AVGWarhawk]

Camp Wannapee in the Pines. :D

[garren]

Don't tell your overweight mom about "Hungry Mother State Park" in Virginia. :haha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Mother_State_Park

[Wolferz]

Send those little boys(?) to Neverland Ranch. They'll get to go on the Wacko Jacko ride.

Blaaanket:/\\k:

[soopaman2]

Send those little boys(?) to Neverland Ranch. They'll get to go on the Wacko Jacko ride.

Blaaanket:/\\k:


Complete with complementary "Jesus Juice" and a billionaire 15 year old committing attention getting fake suicide.

[Wolferz]

Complete with complementary "Jesus Juice" and a billionaire 15 year old committing attention getting fake suicide.

Don't forget the dangling baby pavilion. It's a must see.:D

[soopaman2]

Don't forget the dangling baby pavilion. It's a must see.:D

I love the part where he drops the baby, and Jermaine Jackson does a spin and catches it , then they break into ABC,123,..

*dances* (who wouldn't! ;))


Then all the brothers figure out how to steal the billions from a 15 year old.

[mapuc]

I can't say if it's the truth

Here what's true and it's from sweden

More and more daycare have stopped calling the children han(he) and hon(she) instead they are called out of a none sex(don't know the word in english) hen(same here don't know the english word)

This has been on the swedish news a few times

Sad very sad.

Markus

[August]

I have only one question. I really wonder if the parents of these children are doing all that they can to see that their children get a well rounded view of the world? Are they encouraging, not forcing, their children to participate in all aspects of childhood. Or is it a view of the world that they wish to see played out?

I suspect the parents are driving this a lot more than anyone wants to admit.

[garren]

I can't say if it's the truth

Here what's true and it's from sweden

More and more daycare have stopped calling the children han(he) and hon(she) instead they are called out of a none sex(don't know the word in english) hen(same here don't know the english word)

This has been on the swedish news a few times

Sad very sad.

Markus


Ah... Sweden.

Heard they were trying to make men in Sweden sit down to pee so there's no feeling of inequality between males and females when using the bathroom.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/sweden-left-party-toilet-stand_n_1590572.html


And women in Germany and Australia want their men to sit down to pee as well.

http://depantsing-queens.greatnow.com/should-males-be-required-to-pee-sitting-down.html


Men are really loved in Sweden...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tQSOlF9ZZM

Valerie Solanas (S.C.U.M manifesto)

http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm

Won't be long before women start suggesting that all males be physically castrated.

Oh wait...

One already has..... Bummer. :down:

http://femitheistreborn.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-new-world-rebirth-castration-day.html

[August]

Won't be long before women start suggesting that all males be physically castrated.

It has been foreseen:

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/71035_239031083165_7343518_n.jpg

[Nippelspanner]

And women in Germany and Australia want their men to sit down to pee as well.

Yup, but not because of some stupid gender equality thingie, it is because someone has to clean that place. And let's face it boys, while doing what we do in a standing position, we spread little dots of magic all over the place, even if we don't see them at first :D

An ex of mine demanded from me to sit down. I told her I take over the bathroom cleaning responsibility and now lemme pee in peace girl...

We had an agreement. :up:
Really, peeing while sitting, that feels wrong, can't help it, won't do it. :hmph:

[garren]

Yup, but not because of some stupid gender equality thingie, it is because someone has to clean that place. And let's face it boys, while doing what we do in a standing position, we spread little dots of magic all over the place, even if we don't see them at first :D

An ex of mine demanded from me to sit down. I told her I take over the bathroom cleaning responsibility and now lemme pee in peace girl...

We had an agreement. :up:
Really, peeing while sitting, that feels wrong, can't help it, won't do it. :hmph:

The toilets in the women's rooms are worse. Most women don't sit down either and squat over the toilet and make a mess all over the toilet seat. My first job as a teenager was to clean both the women's restroom and the men's and the women's was worse by far. The rag bags in the stalls stunk and their was urine all over the toilet and on the floor and speckles of fecal matter all over the toilets as well. Most men tend to urinate in urinals and those catch most urine so the men's rooms are actually a lot cleaner in many places. I think a lot of women are jealous of the way men can pee while standing up or have penis-envy issues.

Yep, some of them do.... :nope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=79NpQURYN5Q


http://www.pmateusa.com/

[Nippelspanner]

I think a lot of women are jealous of the way men can pee while standing up or have penis-envy issues.

Oh, I hope Frau or Donna read this, they will have a gooood time laughing their butts off...

Seriously, Garren, Penis envy?!

No one was talking public rest rooms anyway. I was talking bout HOME. And it is a fact that urinating while standing sprinkles the place. Nothing to do with "aiming" or whatever...

[Cybermat47]

And women in Germany and Australia want their men to sit down to pee as well.

http://depantsing-queens.greatnow.com/should-males-be-required-to-pee-sitting-down.html


No, they don't. You're just taking random examples and using them to generalise. Here's an idea: why don't you stop wasting bandwidth with pointless threads like this. All you're doing is giving these pathetic groups the attention they want. If you seriously think they pose a threat to society, then you're as crazy as they are.

I've had enough of your paranoia. Stop wasting time and bandwidth.

[frau kaleun]

Oh, I hope Frau or Donna read this, they will have a gooood time laughing their butts off...

Let's just say that I can think of at least one penis I definitely don't want. :O:

[Nippelspanner]

Let's just say that I can think of at least one penis I definitely don't want. :O:

:har:

[garren]

Let's just say that I can think of at least one penis I definitely don't want. :O:

It wasn't offered to you to begin with. Go take a cold shower and cool off. Besides, you wouldn't be able to handle my black python anyways. Too beaucoup for you. :haha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyGOJ1_kcI8

[frau kaleun]

It wasn't offered to you to begin with. Go take a cold shower and cool off. Besides, you wouldn't be able to handle my black python anyways. Too beaucoup for you.


:har:

Sadly, we'll have to deduct some points because you forgot to add the standard bit about how I must be a lesbo if I don't want it, and I'm pretty sure that's mandatory according to the handbook. But other than that you more than lived up - or should I say 'down' - to expectations. Well done sir! :salute:

[garren]

:har:

Sadly, we'll have to deduct some points because you forgot to add the standard bit about how I must be a lesbo if I don't want it, and I'm pretty sure that's mandatory according to the handbook. But other than that you more than lived up - or should I say 'down' - to expectations. Well done sir! :salute:

http://thoughtsofnobody.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/tumblr_m0bj2zfuq81rqlkypo1_500.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

It wasn't offered to you to begin with. Go take a cold shower and cool off. Besides, you wouldn't be able to handle my black python anyways. Too beaucoup for you. :haha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyGOJ1_kcI8

We have seen more meat on the end of a fish hook.

Keep your physical attributes, embellished or not, to yourself. :03:

Keep on topic.

[garren]

We have seen more meat on the end of a fish hook.

Keep your physical attributes, embellished or not, to yourself. :03:

Keep on topic.

Well, great whites are pretty damn big fish. :03:

[Nippelspanner]

http://thoughtsofnobody.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/tumblr_m0bj2zfuq81rqlkypo1_500.jpg

And that is pretty much the reason why folks like you do not belong here (Subsim) in my opinion - but hey, I know... ydk.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, great whites are pretty damn big fish. :03:

A whale is mammal. Normally harpooned. :O:

[garren]

And that is pretty much the reason why folks like you do not belong here (Subsim) in my opinion - but hey, I know... ydk.

Why? Because I stand up for myself and don't let you and the others bully me?

Look, if you don't like the topic or what I have to say then that's fine. But you're definitely trying to instigate trouble on here because you don't like my views or politics.

And saying I don't belong on here is proof that it's YOU with the problems - not me.

The comment to the other poster was in response to her claim that she doesn't want my penis. Well, it was never offered to her to begin with and so I responded back to her saying that and then she came back at me with another attack to which I responded that I don't give a damn what she thinks about me. Because she's just like you - a bully and trying to start trouble. My penis envy comment was never directed at her to begin with. I don't even know her or if she's even a she. I didn't say ALL women have it. I said a lot of women have it. But she took it personal just like YOU wanted her to. You're the one who said you couldn't wait until she and some other female came to read it and laugh. YOU wanted her to take it personal because you wanted to see her own my butt. You need women to fight your battles for you or to speak up for you? If so, that's weak.

Get your trolls straight dude - take a good look in the mirror and you'll be surprised at what you look like.

[Nippelspanner]

Why? Because I stand up for myself and don't let you and the others bully me?

No, because pretty much everything you say is in some way inflammatory, irrelevant, radical, racist (even if you don't see it) and to put it frankly: Stupid.

Someone who gives a damn about other peoples opinions does not belong in a community.

[garren]

No, because pretty much everything you say is in some way inflammatory, irrelevant, radical, racist (even if you don't see it) and to put it frankly: Stupid.

Someone who gives a damn about other peoples opinions does not belong in a community.

Ok, so everything I have to say insults you and you think I'm stupid. Got it. I think you're just mad that your friend wasn't able to best me and own my butt the way you hoped she would. You were having such a good time laughing while she was attacking me though. Wasn't so fun when I stood my ground. Weren't you against the "Stand your ground" laws in the other thread? Yep. You seem to think bullying people is fun and that people shouldn't have the right to stand their ground. Not so much fun when they swing back. And I didn't want to attack the girl to begin with. I have nothing against her. But you brought her into this and she attacked me at your wish and she got smacked down right back. Then you got mad.

[soopaman2]

How about I try a more diplomatic approach, garren.

I admit is is feeding the trolls, but maybe I can reform this sad young fake black man we got.
(yes I am calling BS on that shtick)

Just saying what most are thinking, that "fact" came out at a convenient time.

Secondly, Nippelspanner has a great point, you do not take part in lighter threads, but you come on with the intention to troll in some of the more heated threads, even in them you offer only vitriol, and not valid discussion.

I said some vile crap on this board, but never caught the flack you are now. Take it from a long time troll, who knows the art, and even appreciates it in the proper settings.

Look inwards, I say that kindly.:up::)

[Nippelspanner]

Ok, so everything I have to say insults you and you think I'm stupid. Got it. I think you're just mad that your friend wasn't able to best me and own my butt the way you hoped she would. You were having such a good time laughing while she was attacking me though. Wasn't so fun when I stood my ground. Weren't you against the "Stand your ground" laws in the other thread? Yep. You seem to think bullying people is fun and that people shouldn't have the right to stand their ground. Not so much fun when they swing back. And I didn't want to attack the girl to begin with. I have nothing against her. But you brought her into this and she attacked me at your wish and she got smacked down right back. Then you got mad.

Wow, where to start. Garen what's next? "Der took er jerbs!!" ???

1. I never felt offended by you. But that is the difference between us. I see when others get offended.
2. I did not say you are stupid - I said most of the things you say/claim are.
3. I never ever said anything about the "Stand your ground law" at all, ever.
4. What I wrote had nothing to do with Frau.
5. I didn't bring her into this, she made the decision to react to your extremely stupid claim that women who want their men to pee sitting have penis-envy issues.

[garren]

How about I try a more diplomatic approach, garren.

I admit is is feeding the trolls, but maybe I can reform this sad young fake black man we got.
(yes I am calling BS on that shtick)

Just saying what most are thinking, that "fact" came out at a convenient time.

Secondly, Nippelspanner has a great point, you do not take part in lighter threads, but you come on with the intention to troll in some of the more heated threads, even in them you offer only vitriol, and not valid discussion.

I said some vile crap on this board, but never caught the flack you are now. Take it from a long time troll, who knows the art, and even appreciates it in the proper settings.

Look inwards, I say that kindly.:up::)

I do take part in "lighter threads". Four word thread. Joke thread. Music thread. I've made threads that weren't hard threads. I posted about the WWI submarines being found off the coast of the UK. I'm participating fairly I believe.

I think what we have here is just a tight knit group on subsim that wants to give the new guy(s) a hard time or run them off. That's pretty obvious with personal insults like "you don't belong here" and "you're not a black guy. I call bull****". Because I'm not ignorant enough to participate in what you stereotypically assume is black politics doesn't make me a non-black man in RL. You just showed your racism here. Anyone else care to personally attack me this morning?

[Nippelspanner]

That's pretty obvious with personal insults like "you don't belong here" ...

My opinion that people with your attitude and mindset do not belong here is not an insult. It is just my opinion, based on the fact that you do not care about other peoples opinions and feelings, as well as ALREADY(!) being known as a "troll".

You slipped into that shoe yourself, no one made you...

[garren]

Wow, where to start. Garen what's next? "Der took er jerbs!!" ???

1. I never felt offended by you. But that is the difference between us. I see when others get offended.
2. I did not say you are stupid - I said most of the things you say/claim are.
3. I never ever said anything about the "Stand your ground law" at all, ever.
4. What I wrote had nothing to do with Frau.
5. I didn't bring her into this, she made the decision to react to your extremely stupid claim that women who want their men to pee sitting have penis-envy issues.

1. Yes you are offended by me. It's obvious with your comments and wanting me to go.
2. You think what I have to say is stupid? Then you think I'm stupid. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what you meant.
3. I might have you mixed up with someone else then about that. Sorry if that's the case.
4. You mentioned her, not me, and from what you wrote, you wanted to see her own me on here. That's obvious.
5. You did bring her into this. No sooner than you mentioned her name, she came at me like your trained pet who attacks at the snap of your finger (or the mention of her name). I never said all women have penis-envy issues. I said "a lot of women" seem to have it. There's a difference.

[AVGWarhawk]

Garren
do take part in "lighter threads". Four word thread.

Yes you did. The site owner made a change to your post in that thread.

The forums have rules. The threads/site hold a certain decorum. Let's keep that decorum.

[soopaman2]

I do take part in "lighter threads". Four word thread. Joke thread. Music thread. I've made threads that weren't hard threads. I posted about the WWI submarines being found off the coast of the UK. I'm participating fairly I believe.

I think what we have here is just a tight knit group on subsim that wants to give the new guy(s) a hard time or run them off. That's pretty obvious with personal insults like "you don't belong here" and "you're not a black guy. I call bull****". Because I'm not ignorant enough to participate in what you stereotypically assume is black politics doesn't make me a non-black man in RL. You just showed your racism here. Anyone else care to personally attack me this morning?

So cute.

First of all if you knew where I lived, and the people I interact with every day, you would see your racism charge is complete and utter bullcrap.

Nice defense mechanism you hard tard, just scream you are black, and all the ire will go away!
No accountability for your vitriol.

Subsim is not the liberal media. Nice try though...

I call pure and utter bullcrap, as your "race" only seems to come out when me or a fellow poster is handing you your ass and calling you out as ignorant.

Race will not save you here, you are only the colors of the text and background on your screen to me.

Your next move? Use google image and post your fake pics.

[Nippelspanner]

1. Yes you are offended by me. It's obvious with your comments and wanting me to go.
2. You think what I have to say is stupid? Then you think I'm stupid. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what you meant.
3. I might have you mixed up with someone else then about that. Sorry if that's the case.
4. You mentioned her, not me, and from what you wrote, you wanted to see her own me on here. That's obvious.
5. You did bring her into this. No sooner than you mentioned her name, she came at me like your trained pet who attacks at the snap of your finger (or the mention of her name). I never said all women have penis-envy issues. I said "a lot of women" seem to have it. There's a difference.
Allright, one last time.

1. No, I am at best annoyed by you, not offended - even if you want it so hard, it's not going to happen.
2. A prime example of how your world is only black & white.
3. Indeed.
4-5. No I wanted to see how females in general (you know, those creatures with penis-envy issues) might react to your totally stupid claim. That is why I also mentioned Donna. Looks like I was unable to summon her, though. Maybe I should train her harder :hmm2:

Seriously... what is going on in your head? :doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

Gents, try the PM function. It works wonders.

[garren]

My opinion that people with your attitude and mindset do not belong here is not an insult. It is just my opinion, based on the fact that you do not care about other peoples opinions and feelings, as well as ALREADY(!) being known as a "troll".

You slipped into that shoe yourself, no one made you...

What a laugh! It's YOU that doesn't seem to care about other people's opinions - namely mine. And again, my comment to the girl about "not giving a damn" was based on her personal opinion of me and her comment about taking points away for not calling her a lesbian. I could have said something MUCH worse to her than "I don't give a damn" but I didn't want to allow her to continue to trolling me with personal insults because I could see it wasn't her that was the problem - it was YOU that staged it!

I gave her an easy out. And she took it. Smart girl. And smart on my part as well because I was the one that gave her the easy way out after I figured out that you staged the fight between us.

You're like Don King. An instigator of fights. You get two people into a ring and watch them battle it out. You put your money on her and she hit me first, then I hit her back, and then she hit me again, and I threw in the towel and walked away with my "I don't give a damn" comment. You got pissed then because you wanted to see her slaughter me on here but I didn't allow it. And then you started making personal comments because you hated watching me walk away from your sick little twisted game.

[soopaman2]

Gents, try the PM function. It works wonders.

Just saying what everyone is thinking.:D

It is worth the chastizement. I feel good!:D

[AVGWarhawk]

Just saying what everyone is thinking.:D

It is worth the chastizement. I feel good!:D

Yes but it is producing acid stomach and loose bowels.

[Nippelspanner]

What a laugh! It's YOU that doesn't seem to care about other people's opinions - namely mine. And again, my comment to the girl about "not giving a damn" was based on her personal opinion of me and her comment about taking points away for not calling her a lesbian. I could have said something MUCH worse to her than "I don't give a damn" but I didn't want to allow her to continue to trolling me with personal insults because I could see it wasn't her that was the problem - it was YOU that staged it!

I gave her an easy out. And she took it. Smart girl. And smart on my part as well because I was the one that gave her the easy way out after I figured out that you staged the fight between us.

You're like Don King. An instigator of fights. You get two people into a ring and watch them battle it out. You put your money on her and she hit me first, then I hit her back, and then she hit me again, and I threw in the towel and walked away with my "I don't give a damn" comment. You got pissed then because you wanted to see her slaughter me on here but I didn't allow it. And then you started making personal comments because you hated watching me walk away from your sick little twisted game.

Allright, one last time.
(I will not continue this neat discussion, it isn't OT anyways.)

[garren]

So cute.

First of all if you knew where I lived, and the people I interact with every day, you would see your racism charge is complete and utter bullcrap.

Nice defense mechanism you hard tard, just scream you are black, and all the ire will go away!
No accountability for your vitriol.

Subsim is not the liberal media. Nice try though...

I call pure and utter bullcrap, as your "race" only seems to come out when me or a fellow poster is handing you your ass and calling you out as ignorant.

Race will not save you here, you are only the colors of the text and background on your screen to me.

Your next move? Use google image and post your fake pics.

Where have I ever claimed I'm black to get a sympathy pass on here? I'm the most conservative non-stereotypical black man you'll ever meet. I never play my race for favors or handouts. I have mentioned I'm black for the opposite reason - so that bigots like yourself will stop assuming all of us are the same. I did this in the Stand your ground thread and the Zimmerman thread.

I'm not posting a pic of myself for you. You're free to assume what you want but you're being racist about it just so you know.

[soopaman2]

Yes but it is producing acid stomach and loose bowels.

OK AVG, love ya ol pal.:salute:

*overexaggerated Bugs Bunny smooch*



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