The Firearm thread: Engineering artistry of wood, polymer and steel.

[MaDef]

No worries, deer slugs don't have a "spread".

[Rockstar]

Did you get your .22 yet?

[MaDef]

No, but I do have my eyes open in case I trip over a .22 Henry lever action.

[Rockstar]

More on the myth of stopping power. @1:05 thru 2:47

https://youtu.be/YWMopzx3hgE

[Otto Harkaman]

Fun having Bud's Gun Range nearby, stopped in for a half hour to shoot this G19 I bought last October but hadn't shot. Great gun, knew from the beginning wouldn't have any problems.

I sold that G26 I had, strange gun. Made in USA Georgia, Smyrna rather than Austria. Slide was very heavy, gun seemed most manageable with an extend magazine. I kept thinking of it as a semi-fire Ingram, too heavy for conceal carry.

Well I don't know about the Keltec but I am so glad I purchased this G44. Look forward to getting to the range soon after shooting the G19.

[les green01]

Many people overestimate the spread of shotgun shot - especially if they're unfamiliar with the type of choke their shotgun may be fitted with. Just sayin'.

having hunted with that old 870 for 40 years im aware of the spread of it also seen my dad get pepper at 20 yrds with a 12 gauge at 7 years old course it was bird shot pepper his back and neck good probbly would been worse if it wasnt for the hunting jacket

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Bump(stock)

[Catfish]

https://youtu.be/qN3hC2585tc?feature=shared

[Exocet25fr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcQmReWckNk

[em2nought]

I might be doing some wild boar hunting in Texas in the future. Anybody have a recommendation for an under $800 rifle in caliber 450 bushmaster? I'm open to single shots or bolt actions. I've watched some videos and almost every bolt action seems to have some sort of Achilles heel. The Savage scout for instance seems to have feeding issues. When I watched a video the guys all seemed to really fumble with the action as they operated the bolt to load the round. So funny that those guys made no mention of it. :har:

I'm leaning toward the Gen I Ruger American, but I've seen some accuracy concerns.
https://cdn3.coreware.com/getimage.php?id=241148

[Rockstar]

Are you interested specially in the 450 bushmaster? The bullet diameter is the same size as any modern day .45 colt which is .452 in dia. Might open up a few more rifle options that could interest ya.

Anyway, Henry has break action single shot chambered in 450 bushmaster for $597.00

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/

https://youtu.be/Vjr5Mt9wwRE?feature=shared

[em2nought]

Are you interested specially in the 450 bushmaster? The bullet diameter is the same size as any modern day .45 colt which is .452 in dia. Might open up a few more rifle options that could interest ya.

Anyway, Henry has break action single shot chambered in 450 bushmaster for $597.00

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/single-shot-rifle/

https://youtu.be/Vjr5Mt9wwRE?feature=shared

The single shot Henry is on the short list as well. I have always liked the traditional look of that particular Henry rifle. I seem to remember when that rifle model first came out it had some sort of safety issue that I imagine has been resolved. Haven't seen anything about it lately. I do want a powerful cartridge that can take down large predators of any type.

[Rockstar]

A powerful charge you say? :D Then spend mo’ money and get a nice side gate lever action in 45-70 government, loaded big it can produce close to 3400 foot pounds of energy. Charging Grizzly? No problem, it will smash through his skull scramble his brains, go straight past hide, fat, muscle, bone, clean through the boiler room and out its arse. It a heavy ol’ cuss bullet drop fairly significant compared to others.

[Aktungbby]

INDEED! I still shoot an original infantry 'trapdoor' Springfield rifle and a Shiloh Sharps carbine in 45-70. I resize and reload the Springfield with black powder and use only factory modern nitrate propellant rounds in the carbine; saving the brass for the Springfield reloads. Both weapons are absolute thunder hogs capable of serious carnage. At the range, heads turn at the blast from the long Springfield. I let the kids fire it just so they can say they once did so.:shucks: The single-shot breechloader weapon was last used by US reserves in the Spanish American War but could not hold its own against the Spanish Mauser weapons on the battlefield in Cuba.

[Rockstar]

Currently compressing 40 grains of Swiss 3f into 45-40 brass topped with an Elmer Keith style 255 grain .452 SWC. A charge developed for our boys in blue to take down enemy horses on the fly :arrgh!: love going to the range everyone shooting smokeless loud cracks and bangs. I step up pull the trigger and out comes a this thunderous THUMP and a cloud of smoke drifts across the firing line causing everyone to stop what they’re doing to look and see what the hell was that!

https://i.ibb.co/xX6SL2P/IMG-3603.jpg

[em2nought]

Those Marlins lever actions now made by Ruger do sound nice. I could get one of those Henry single shots in 45-70 instead without breaking the bank. 45-70 is some darned expensive ammo. :hmmm: I'd love something like the Shiloh Sharps with a tang sight, but I think my friends who aren't exactly careful with any of my stuff will be borrowing whatever I buy occasionally and I don't think I'd let them touch my Shiloh Sharps if I had one. I'd have to get a "Gus" cowboy hat too, and maybe even a horse.

[Rockstar]

Finished up 30 rounds of .45-40 (left) for my 1873 saa and .44 cal paper cartridges 25 filled with 30 grain Swiss 3f. 10 with 30 grains of triple 7 topped with a 216 grain .460 dia Johnston & Dow soft cast for my 1858.

Both Uberti clones

https://i.ibb.co/r5bsp0b/IMG-3605.jpg

[Rockstar]

Those Marlins lever actions now made by Ruger do sound nice. I could get one of those Henry single shots in 45-70 instead without breaking the bank. 45-70 is some darned expensive ammo. :hmmm: I'd love something like the Shiloh Sharps with a tang sight, but I think my friends who aren't exactly careful with any of my stuff will be borrowing whatever I buy occasionally and I don't think I'd let them touch my Shiloh Sharps if I had one. I'd have to get a "Gus" cowboy hat too, and maybe even a horse.


No need to break the bank, Aktungbby can pay for it. :D. https://www.govloans.gov/

Ammo, primers and powder are getting real expensive thanks to all those damn the end is nigh hoarders out there and I heard some scuttlebutt that a lot of the industry has been concentrating on new military contracts to increase ammo stocks. Who knows for sure.

Reloading your own is still a lot cheaper imo, initial costs of the tools pays for itself PDQ. And if you go with blackpowder the nice thing about that is if push comes to shove you can always make your own.

This fella has perfected the art of home brewed BP

https://youtu.be/PJDjKvjqvpM?feature=shared

[em2nought]

Reloading your own is still a lot cheaper imo, initial costs of the tools pays for itself PDQ.

Which would dovetail nicely with my thoughts about substituting silver for lead bullets to reduce bug out weights. :har:

[Rockstar]

Which would dovetail nicely with my thoughts about substituting silver for lead bullets to reduce bug out weights. :har:

Great for fighting werewolves and it’s environmentally friendly! Never knew you were such tree hugger. :haha:

[em2nought]

Never knew you were such tree hugger. :haha:

I'm more fond of trees than i am of most people. :D

[em2nought]

Is there cowboy action shooting ammo for the M1911 that produces lovely clouds of smoke to drift across the gun range? :hmmm: ...or I guess you could load your own?

[Rockstar]

Is there cowboy action shooting ammo for the M1911 that produces lovely clouds of smoke to drift across the gun range? :hmmm: ...or I guess you could load your own?

It’ll throw lead but from what I understand black powder doesn’t generate the chamber pressures one achieves with smokeless making the semi-auto action unreliable.

Plus back powder is dirty and will gunk things up pretty fast.

[em2nought]

Thanks for the replies so far.

So I was just about to order a CVA Scout in 45-70 after seeing how poorly most 450 bushmaster bolt actions seem to feed, but then I started looking at frugal night vision rifle scope options and it seems like 45-70 isn't so great for shock in regard to scopes? What rifle & night vision rifle scope would you chose if you wanted to hunt wild hogs on your own ranch property at night in Texas? Probably only taking one animal at a time. :hmmm:

I've already got a bolt action .308 that I could probably use, but I kind of liked the idea of having some artillery. :D

[Rockstar]

Thanks for the replies so far.

So I was just about to order a CVA Scout in 45-70 after seeing how poorly most 450 bushmaster bolt actions seem to feed, but then I started looking at frugal night vision rifle scope options and it seems like 45-70 isn't so great for shock in regard to scopes? What rifle & night vision rifle scope would you chose if you wanted to hunt wild hogs on your own ranch property at night in Texas? Probably only taking one animal at a time. :hmmm:

I've already got a bolt action .308 that I could probably use, but I kind of liked the idea of having some artillery. :D

If peep sights were good enough for the old buffalo hunters shooting from 200 or more yards away. They ought to be good enough to hit the boiler room of a hog from 50. If night vision is a problem just eat more carrots. ;)

https://shop.williamsgunsight.com/ecommerce/c/long-gun-sights-844

[August]

What rifle & night vision rifle scope would you chose if you wanted to hunt wild hogs on your own ranch property at night in Texas? Probably only taking one animal at a time. :hmmm:


My cousin Tommy has a ranch outside of Austin and he uses an AR type rifle chambered for 6.5mm Creedmoor. I'm not sure what brand his night vision gear is but you'd want to use a thermal imaging sight in that situation.

[em2nought]

Thanks for the replies. I'm thinking I might just see how the bolt action .308 that I already own does. Maybe some helmet mounted night vision. :hmmm: Thermal looks kind of expensive. :hmmm:

[Jeff-Groves]

You can pick up a nice ATN scope used for around $300+
Haven't check prices since I sold mine. Very nice Units once you learn them.
.308 is more then enough. There's people dropping them with Air Guns in Texas!

[Rockstar]

Thanks for the replies. I'm thinking I might just see how the bolt action .308 that I already own does. Maybe some helmet mounted night vision. :hmmm: Thermal looks kind of expensive. :hmmm:


If you’re looking for an inexpensive rifle look at Diamond Back firearms you can pick up a DB 15 for around $700 cabbages. Nice thing about that you can find 5.56 and .223 dang near everywhere and will fit a lot of different optics.

[August]

Thanks for the replies. I'm thinking I might just see how the bolt action .308 that I already own does. Maybe some helmet mounted night vision. :hmmm: Thermal looks kind of expensive. :hmmm:


So what does a hog hunting helmet look like anyways? Inquiring minds want to know! :03:

[em2nought]

So what does a hog hunting helmet look like anyways? Inquiring minds want to know! :03:

I guess they look like this. :D Sounded like a cheaper alternative to buying something that can withstand a 45-70 kick.https://www.pewpewtactical.com/helmet-night-vision-shooting-setup/

[August]

I guess they look like this. :D Sounded like a cheaper alternative to buying something that can withstand a 45-70 kick.https://www.pewpewtactical.com/helmet-night-vision-shooting-setup/


But can you see your gun sights with that thing on? It doesn't help to see the your prey if you can't aim at them.

[Rockstar]

I guess they look like this. :D Sounded like a cheaper alternative to buying something that can withstand a 45-70 kick.https://www.pewpewtactical.com/helmet-night-vision-shooting-setup/

Video @ minute 5:30 why do you even need night vision? ‘I don’t know, it’s rad as hell we don’t live in a world of reason’. In other words you don’t need to spend a dime on night vision to hunt at night.

I guess I would also add monocular NVG can cause a helluva lot of eye strain. And whether they be mono or binocular when you turn them off you wont be able see squat out one or both eyes until they adjust to natural night vision.

[em2nought]

Video @ minute 5:30 why do you even need night vision?

I'm not sure, it's what my friends seem to think they'll need. I've only ever been trapping before, and I was just along for the ride way back then. :D

[em2nought]

I'm finding myself oddly attracted to a weapon I wouldn't have thought I'd be fond of being more of a traditionalist - the new S&W M&P FPC. Maybe it's because I live much more in my van now, or because I already have an M&P pistol. https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/fpc

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/144602-DEFAULT-l.jpg

It just came out in 40 S&W in November too. :hmmm: Really like the look of it in FDE too.

...or maybe my attraction is because there are some incredibly unhinged people driving around on the roads. lol

[Jimbuna]

I'd bet on it being the latter :)