Kudos to Wendy Davis of Texas.

[soopaman2]

To stand up in a room full of conservative white men bible thumpers, and protect the right of women, thank you for blocking one of the most restrictrive anti abortion bills ever drafted.

Although Texas old white man, bible thumping red state politics, it will eventually pass.

But kudos to this woman for standing up for the rights of not only women, but the induvidual human.

I love how big government is killed by republicans, until it involves something they want to ban, cuz Jeebuz says so....

Your right to practice your religion, also includes my right to not be imposed upon or repressed by your religions ideals...


Edit: Link for people wondering wht the heck I am talking about, sorry.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/06/26/key-moments-from-wendy-daviss-11-hour-filibuster/

Hats off to Texas Democrats, standing up for the rights of the individual person.

[AVGWarhawk]

Are all TX old white men bible thumpers?


Hats off to Texas Democrats, standing up for the rights of the individual person.

Yes, because past history shows that Democrats always stood up for right of the individual person.

[soopaman2]

Are all TX old white men bible thumpers?




Yes, because past history shows that Democrats always stood up for right of the individual person.

Hi AVG :)

I was praising the woman herself mainly, and the defense of abortion as a right.

I feel the hate for abortion is based on Christian Ideology, which was the point of my post. Freedom "of" and "from" religion.

But take one sentence twist it, and make me look like an ass, rather than taking the entire content of my statement as a whole.

You should send your resume to MSNBC.:O:

Edit: Not being mean. I like you AVG :) Just think you misunderstood me.

[AVGWarhawk]

I was addressing the old white men comment. If you are addressing the woman mainly then other white noise of old white men is not necessary.

Edit: Glad you like me. It changes nothing. :O:

[soopaman2]

I was addressing the old white men comment. If you are addressing the woman mainly then other white noise of old white men are not necessary.

Perhaps I coulda made my point without that, mighta even sold it better, I see what ya mean.:D

In all realness, I hate seeing legislation based on religion rather than social need.

Abortion is good, as in alot of cases, it is one less welfare baby, or orphanage kid the taxpayer has to support.

As repulsive as it is to the religious conservative, it is great for the social conservative.

[AVGWarhawk]

Abortion is good, as in alot of cases, it is one less welfare baby, or orphanage kid the taxpayer has to support.




This idea as a means to an end(welfare kid or orphan on tax payer dole) is atrocious. I thought is was about women's rights and not money?

[soopaman2]

This idea as a means to an end(welfare kid or orphan on tax payer dole) is atrocious.

It is, or is it?

But if you lived in the area I do, you would understand my thinking.

I live in the shadow of Asbury Park, where people without jobs have a better way of life than me, have more kids, get section 8, welfare money where you are rewarded for more kids. WIC checks, free milk bread and juice.

I mean why work?

I respect people who have abortions because they cannot afford the child, much better than the crap I explained above.

[AVGWarhawk]

I live in Baltimore! 27 people shot in the past 5 days! I have complete understanding of welfare and orphaned kids. I hold product on my dock for the Orphan Grain Train http://www.ogt.org/ and provide a free truck to deliver the items in the south.

So the liberal agenda is to save money. It is not about women's rights and abortion?

[soopaman2]

I live in Baltimore! 27 people shot in the past 5 days! I have complete understanding of welfare and orphaned kids. I hold product on my dock for the Orphan Grain Train http://www.ogt.org/ and provide a free truck to deliver the items in the south.

So the liberal agenda is to save money. It is not about women's rights and abortion?


I don't represent the liberals, your gonna have to ask them yourself sir, I am stating my opinion on the matter.:salute:

Call me wrong is fine, but to call me liberal is off base, I am a Chris Christie supoorter, a centrist republican.

[AVGWarhawk]

I am a Chris Christie supoorter, a centrist republican.


:haha::haha::haha::haha:

Christie goes were the wind is blowing for the day. That is hoot.

[soopaman2]

He is my Governor, and my property taxes went down by 4k since he took office.

Maybe if you paid NJ prop tax rates, and seen how he helped us, you might understand.

We are the worst in the nation (property tax), because most of our politicians are scum, I love how people smear the one good one we got.

Edit: Kudos to Wendy, Thanks for having more balls than most men, to protect what little rights we got left.

[nikimcbee]

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

Christie goes were the wind is blowing for the day. That is hoot.

That's some pretty strong wind then.:o:har:

[soopaman2]

That's some pretty strong wind then.:o:har:

:haha::D

Hey! He got a stomach band or whatever it is called, he is getting skinny now!:D

niki always knows how to bring comic relief, always grateful. *bows*

[AVGWarhawk]

That's some pretty strong wind then.:o:har:

It was called Hurricane Sandy. :yep:

[soopaman2]

It was called Hurricane Sandy. :yep:

:har::har:

Home Run!

:up:

That fat bastard left me without power for 2 weeks!

I giggled, good play, sir. :)

But ya know, Texas, abortion, we kinda got off it, ya know?

[Wolferz]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
In Mr Christies' case better get some boulders.:03:

I guess all those bible thumping politicians forget about that concept of separation of church and state They don't seem to mind hauling it out when a school or a courthouse wishes to post a copy of the ten commandments on or in a public building, do they? Maybe because they've broken nearly every one of them? hmmm:hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Abortion is and will always be a conversation on the edge. There will never be a answer to satisfy all.

[soopaman2]

Abortion is and will always be a conversation on the edge. There will never be a answer to satisfy all.


Yeah, we can never convince each other on one side or the other, I am just happy to live in a country where we can discuss this and not want to kill one another over our differing opinions.:salute:

I just see this in the same vein as anti gun sentiment, as a (government imposed) rights violation.(IMHO )

[CaptainHaplo]

To stand up in a room full of conservative white men bible thumpers, and protect the right of women, thank you for blocking one of the most restrictrive anti abortion bills ever drafted.

Although Texas old white man, bible thumping red state politics, it will eventually pass.

But kudos to this woman for standing up for the rights of not only women, but the induvidual human.

Yea - cuz that baby isn't an "individual human" - its just a fetus, right? I am reminded of the saying:

"If its not a baby, your not pregnant".

If your not pregnant, how can you have an abortion?

How it got there must be a mystery - because apparently it just magically appears since otherwise the other part - that "second individual" that had something to do with the creation of the pregnancy - doesn't have any rights at all in the equation. While that may be their offspring, they are at the total mercy of the woman who may or may not decide to kill their son or daughter in making....

Individual rights my big ole backside. Standing for the rights of the "individual" - only if that individual is a knocked up woman who doesn't want to be saddled with the responsibility that comes from her actions.

Democratic ideals at their most obvious - live without repercussion. We see it in abortion, just as we see it in welfare vs workfare. More and more often the left finds some excuse to enable irresponsible behavior without the natural repercussions - and then wants the responsible people of society to pay for it all...

Edit - and since it came up - where is the Democratic protection of the individual and their rights to keep and bear arms?????

[Sailor Steve]

Yea - cuz that baby isn't an "individual human" - its just a fetus, right?
The discussion is easy to have, from either side. Your argument is that it's a human life from the moment it's concieved. That's a good argument. Their argument is that if it can't survive on its own then it's the decision of the woman who has to carry it, or not. You'll notice that their argument centers around the woman's right to "choose", that is it's her right to make that decision, not yours or mine.

Arguing that life begins at conception is nice, but is there a legal standpoint, one way or the other? Saying that women who want the right to choose "don't want to be saddled with the responsibility" is a cheap shot, excluding a great many women for whom it is a very tough decision to come to.

I am by nature against abortion. That said, I don't ever plan on having one. Until the fetus can be shown legally beyond a doubt to be a living human being, I'll stand by the woman's right to make her own choices.

[CaptainHaplo]

Steve - I agree to a point. But when you talk about "life" - there are way too many ways to define that. Is it when a baby first breathes air on its own? Maybe a heartbeat? How about brain activity? What standard defines INDIVIDUAL life?

I would argue brain activity, since a brain is the key to consciousness. Consciousness is the key to individual personification.

The thing is - as soon as it becomes a "woman's choice" - it cuts out half the equation - the guy who got her pregnant.

I am not saying the guy should be able to "make her" have the baby - I am just pointing out that its not all about individual rights or "equality" or whatever else.

[August]

Call me wrong is fine, but to call me liberal is off base, I am a Chris Christie supoorter, a centrist republican.

Dude based on every post of yours that I have read you are about as Republican as Joe Biden.

[Wolferz]

I am by nature against abortion. That said, I don't ever plan on having one.

I would hope not. You being of the masculine persuasion and all.:huh::O:

Sorry, Steve. You kind of walked right into that one and I couldn't help myself.

[Sailor Steve]

I would hope not. You being of the masculine persuasion and all.:huh::O:
That was my point. It's not my choice to make.

Sorry, Steve. You kind of walked right into that one and I couldn't help myself.
I've noticed you have that problem a lot. :sunny:

[Wolferz]

I've noticed you have that problem a lot. :sunny:

Yeah, it's a character flaw of a flawed character.:arrgh!::O:

It's friendly ribbing I assure you.:D Choose your words carefully and leave me no room for quips.

[Bubblehead1980]

I applaud here efforts.Pro Choice is one stance the left/Democrats have correct these days as a side/party etc. I will never get the utter obsession people on the "pro life" side have.I understand, it's an ugly thing, its a necessary evil really.Bottom line though, it is a woman's right to have domain over her body, not the government's or anyone else for that matter. Of course, most people's opposition to abortion is usually religious based so any sense of logic on the issue is out the window.Anyways, she can walk tall, she was absolutely in the right here.

[Sailor Steve]

Yeah, it's a character flaw of a flawed character.:arrgh!::O:

It's friendly ribbing I assure you.:D Choose your words carefully and leave me no room for quips.
Sorry. I should have used the :O: as well. My bad.

[em2nought]

I've always thought abortion was about reducing the caucasian majority. :know:

[Wolferz]

I've always thought abortion was about reducing the caucasian majority. :know:

I think the main intent is to reduce or eliminate prom night dumpster babies.:arrgh!:

[Onkel Neal]

I was addressing the old white men comment. If you are addressing the woman mainly then other white noise of old white men is not necessary.

Edit: Glad you like me. It changes nothing. :O:

Yeah, stop hating on the old white men.

[soopaman2]

Oh I still love you old white men, a club I will soon join myself.

But I am pro choice, and am open to any critisizm on that. My beef with antiabortionists is hw much the bible is cited as a con to pro choice.

First amendment freedom of religion also protects the freedom from religion.

I like Jesus, but I do not trust mankinds interpretation of the events, and how many billions died in his name? How many kids were diddled?

Freedom, is what this is about, women can vote, yet mainly males in the government want to dictate what they do in their personal life.

I hate (militant) feminists, but I can see why they exist.

[Sailor Steve]

Where Jesus is concerned I'm reminded of an old Hindu saying: No god should ever be blamed for the kind of people who claim to worship him.

[soopaman2]

Where Jesus is concerned I'm reminded of an old Hindu saying: No god should ever be blamed for the kind of people who claim to worship him.

Very true, and my point.

He is used as a political tool, just as Muhammed is.

It brings light to how many stupid people there are. (over history, I mean the crusades?) We kinda started it with the Muslims:D