Xbox One: OH GOD WHY?!

[Cybermat47]

This is what I found when I checked my subscriptions on YouTube today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekOtn7L1N0

And, after some research, I have to agree with Angry Joe. Why didn't they reveal any actual GAMES at the press conference? The Halo TV series by Steven Spielberg is an awesome thing to think about, but why not give it it's OWN reveal, and have an actual game reveal at the press conference for your GAMING platform?! And we have to install games before playing them? I'm not sure what to think about that, seeing as it might keep discs in better condition, but it took a while for the multiplayer portion of Halo 4 to install on my Xbox, so imagine how long it would take a full game which would take up more storage to install! Also, one of the things I liked about consoles was that you could just put in a disc and play immediately!

And I hope that the new kinect works better than the last one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ArpWuV_zvo

And I have less than fond memories of using the voice commands in Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary.

Let's hope that the actual GAMES are good :dead:

[Red October1984]

I saw this when I woke up on my Facebook News Feed.

Didn't think it was worthy enough to post. They'll just screw us over with another 500$ console and games that cost 80$ and then we need to buy online passes for all of those games which are released with hundreds of mini-DLC items that we need to pay $4.99 each to be able to play the game.

[Spike88]

Had to type this twice because my phone decided to delete it mid paragraph.

The ps3 already had mandatory installs, and while they could take up to 12 minutes, it was never really a problem, put it in let the game install, and go get a snack. You could increase the speed by getting a faster HDD, although that's not possible on the 360.

As for the games, they chose a multiplat as their key game. Bit stupid.

Some negative notes about the new Xbox:

Reportedly requires you to be online once every 24 hours.

You have to pay Microsoft to play used games.

You have to have a kinect at all times.

Live TV won't be available outside the US at launch.

Note the PS4 is technically stronger as it has GDDR5 memory instead of the GDDR3 Xbox has. But the new Xbox will apparently be able to push game calculations to the cloud.

[NeonSamurai]

I have suspected that the games industry is heading towards another market crash for a bit now. With the behaviors of most of the major players (particularly with AAA titles, DLC abuse, and trying to add in more micro transactions to payware games, etc) I think a crash is well deserved.

One thing is for sure, the community seems to be getting angrier and angrier over this stuff.

[Ducimus]

Yup, I'm going to continue to stick it out on PC.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Yup, I'm going to continue to stick it out on PC.

Yep, PC FTW.

Name me one thing a console can do that my (or others) PC can't do. Exclusive games aside.

[Spike88]

I have suspected that the games industry is heading towards another market crash for a bit now. With the behaviors of most of the major players (particularly with AAA titles, DLC abuse, and trying to add in more micro transactions to payware games, etc) I think a crash is well deserved.

One thing is for sure, the community seems to be getting angrier and angrier over this stuff.

Other than the whole PSN thing, Sony really hasn't done anything to anger me. I also tend to be happy with my purchases, the only thing that disappointed me was Assasins Creed 3. But then again, I do feel there are hardly any new games worth purchasing and have stayed away from most "major AAA" games. Personally most of the games I am looking forward to are either Sony or Nintendo exclusives, are PC indies, or are rare exceptions like GTA 5.


From IGN
It's genuinely not clear to me at this point whom the Xbox One is aimed at. Is it an entertainment box that plays games, or a games console that caters for entertainment? Sony was very up-front about that when it presented the PlayStation 4 to the world back in February: it was pitched very much as a machine designed around both gamers and developers, a games console with other features. For the first 30 minutes of the Xbox One reveal it was essentially pitched as a live TV and sports viewer with a really impressive interface and super-quick, integrated Internet connectivity.

[HunterICX]

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4200/webwo1578.jpg

HunterICX

[Dowly]

:haha:

[Spike88]

Someone made an abridged version of the conference. I would post the direct YouTube link, but my phone is being stupid.

http://kotaku.com/the-entire-xbox-one-reveal-summed-up-in-1-5-hilarious-509197649

I think it does tv... But I'm not sure.

[Red October1984]

Haha...

Until it releases and I see how it handles, I won't be getting one. If they have the always online/cloud gaming/cloud backwards compatibility/etc I won't even bother.

I'll just get a new PC at that point. My 360 is on it's last leg. I'll just get another one for 100$ and switch out the HD and I'll be good to go. My current one has lasted since 2007 and I still have a working original xbox from 2004.

[Ducimus]

Someone made an abridged version of the conference. I would post the direct YouTube link, but my phone is being stupid.

http://kotaku.com/the-entire-xbox-one-reveal-summed-up-in-1-5-hilarious-509197649

I think it does tv... But I'm not sure.


:haha:

So, this Xbox is about three things:
1.) TV
2.) Sports
3.) Call of duty.

:har: :haha:

[Red October1984]

:haha:

So, this Xbox is about three things:
1.) TV
2.) Sports
3.) Call of duty.

:har: :haha:

:rotfl2:

That's very very true...although you can't forget Gears of War, Halo, and GTA.

Me, I'm thinking Rainbow Six, Splinter Cell, and hopefully a console version of ArmA that's done right. Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising was halfway decent. :doh:

[Spike88]

GTA is multiplatform.
The only exclusives Xbox has is forza, halo and gears.

Also OFP Dragon Rising wasnt done by the people responsible for the original OFP.

More fuel for the fire:
http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/indie-devs-cant-self-publish-on-xbox-one

Indie developers can't publish games on Xbox Arcade without getting someone to publish for them. They can publish on Xbox Indie, but it has financial drawbacks. However developers can self publish with Sony and Nintendo.

Microsoft should use Sonys "It only does everything" advertisement and supplement everything for TV.

[Red October1984]

Also OFP Dragon Rising wasnt done by the people responsible for the original OFP.

I know...but it was similar enough for me to give it a try. :)

[Spike88]

More great news: current gen head sets won't work with the Xbox One.

[Red October1984]

More great news: current gen head sets won't work with the Xbox One.

That's not an issue for me. I don't play online....and if I did, I wouldn't want to talk to 12 year old kids who want to rape my grandma and kill me with a woodchipper.

[Cybermat47]

I wouldn't want to talk to 12 year old kids who want to rape my grandma and kill me with a woodchipper.

:yep:

I only use the voice feature on my Turtle Beach headphones to talk to one of my friends, who I know in real life.

[Mork_417]

That's not an issue for me. I don't play online....and if I did, I wouldn't want to talk to 12 year old kids who want to rape my grandma and kill me with a woodchipper.

:har:


I just got around to buying a PS3 last December, and I love it. Never been a big Microsoft fan is why i went with Sony. I don't play online either for the same reasons listed above. I won't be upgrading anytime soon, as i will be building me a new PC anyways.

Can't believe how bad it is getting with this online/cloud requirements. :nope:

[Red October1984]

Can't believe how bad it is getting with this online/cloud requirements. :nope:

I don't trust the cloud. It seems like it's going to be something that we'll get too dependent on and then it'll fail.

I prefer hard copies of some sort. :yep:

[Spike88]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/05/23/surprise-msoft-not-keen-on-porting-xbox-one-exclusives/#more-154231

Microsoft doesn't want to port 360 games to PC.

[Dowly]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/05/23/surprise-msoft-not-keen-on-porting-xbox-one-exclusives/#more-154231

Microsoft doesn't want to port 360 games to PC.

How the hell does one "very much improve and reimagine" something as simple as Solitaire?! :doh:

[Spike88]

With DLC and micro transactions. 10 different skin packs! Pay to shuffle your cards! All new and improved. Oh and it's a shooter now.

Interesting gif:
http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif

It has language, so if your sensitive to that, don't open it.

[Cybermat47]

Interesting gif:
http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif

It has language, so if your sensitive to that, don't open it.

Awesome! :har:

[HunterICX]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/05/23/surprise-msoft-not-keen-on-porting-xbox-one-exclusives/#more-154231

Microsoft doesn't want to port 360 games to PC.

Ehm..what's so special about that? the PS doesn't port over their exlusives to the PC either so...who cares?

I don't...never did.

HunterICX

[Arclight]

Feeble attempt #1:

Please, don't buy this thing. Draw that line. They'll just keep making it worse as long as we keep throwing money at them.

[Spike88]

Ehm..what's so special about that? the PS doesn't port over their exlusives to the PC either so...who cares?

I don't...never did.

HunterICX

Playstation actually has in the past. But playstation isn't a major part or the PC company like Microsoft is. A lot of Microsoft titles were at some point ported to PC.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/05/24/xbox-one-will-kinect-2-use-visual-drm

Patent from 2011 allows the Kinect 2 to detect how many people are in a room and compare the number against the licensing agreement. Have too many people in the room? Can't watch your movie. While they haven't said whether or not it will make it into the one, its a bit crappy.

[Oberon]

Playstation actually has in the past. But playstation isn't a major part or the PC company like Microsoft is. A lot of Microsoft titles were at some point ported to PC.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a7/Red_Dead_Redemption.jpg/256px-Red_Dead_Redemption.jpg

[Herr-Berbunch]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/f3dce3cfe99372fee98dd1e625d20e24/tumblr_mn6jx0tQAI1rn5jq3o1_500.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/935327_10151608196435091_324933258_n.jpg

:har:

[Herr-Berbunch]

And highlights of the announcement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

:timeout:

[Spike88]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a7/Red_Dead_Redemption.jpg/256px-Red_Dead_Redemption.jpg

Red dead is a 3rd party game that is neither published or developed by Microsoft or Sony. So I don't see the point.

[Spike88]

And highlights of the announcement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

:timeout:

I had posted that link earlier, just under a kotaku link. :P

[Herr-Berbunch]

I had posted that link earlier, just under a kotaku link. :P

Damnit! :/\\!!

[Oberon]

Red dead is a 3rd party game that is neither published or developed by Microsoft or Sony. So I don't see the point.

Touché, I think I had a point somewhere but I can't remember what it was, it's probably rolled under the sofa. :hmmm:

[TorpX]

Please, don't buy this thing. Draw that line. They'll just keep making it worse as long as we keep throwing money at them.
Agree.

I suspect these companies will experience lean times in the coming years.

[troopie]

Patent from 2011 allows the Kinect 2 to detect how many people are in a room and compare the number against the licensing agreement. Have too many people in the room? Can't watch your movie. While they haven't said whether or not it will make it into the one, its a bit crappy.


Is this for real? I'm surmising that the 'Kinect' is a camera. So you have to have a camera watching you to use the machine? :o Who the hell'd buy something like that?

:/\\chop

[HunterICX]

Who the hell'd buy something like that?

:/\\chop

They're called Witless wonders...

HunterICX

[Spike88]

Agree.

I suspect these companies will experience lean times in the coming years.


I don't know, people are stupid.

Is this for real? I'm surmising that the 'Kinect' is a camera. So you have to have a camera watching you to use the machine? :o Who the hell'd buy something like that?

:/\\chop

It also has a microphone that is always listening. Microsoft says that privacy is of the utmost concern, but you never know. Although I think with the first generation kinect it only sees in IR. However the kinect does have voice and facial recognition capabilities. People already own the kinect for the 360, but you can disconnect it at any point. The Xbox one version however can't be unplugged.

[troopie]

Things are worse than I thought. :/\\!!

[Red October1984]

Things are worse than I thought. :/\\!!

That's an understatement. Of course the camera thing could be fixed. What you do is just put a bandaid over the camera.

People have had their privacy invaded like this before with webcams. If you get hacked, who knows who's watching you and listening to you.

[Dowly]

This is what I found when I checked my subscriptions on YouTube today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekOtn7L1N0

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB-hdtpQRw

[SgtPotato]

Many people are talking about the second video game crash and I doubt that it might be true enough. :hmmm:

[flip665]

I didn't read every post but I have read about the new xbox that the games will digitally 'register' to their maiden console and will then only play on THAT console... also that your going to have to be ALWAYS online for any functionality... now being a playstation guy I don't much care but im openminded enough to switch if the ps flops... that being said, if either of the stated 'features' are implemented there is a 100% chance I will not buy one...

[Oberon]

http://i.minus.com/i59yXniSzNxb7.gif

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/549/148/f29.gif

[Dowly]

And the prices:

Xbox One: $500
PS4: $399

Not the first time for Sony, clip from E3 1995:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExaAYIKsDBI

SEGA had just announced that it's Saturn would cost $399.

Beautiful. :rotfl2:

EDIT: Official PlayStation Used Game Instructional Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA) :O:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA)

[Cybermat47]

Halo 5 is going to be an Xbox One exclusive...

Does anyone here know how to port a console game to the PC?

EDIT: Hopefully every single game in the world will be available on PCs in Heaven... :hmmm:

[Spike88]

“"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it’s called Xbox 360,” said Mattrick.
“If you have zero access to the Internet, that is an offline device.”
http://ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/gamers-without-internet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoft

[Takeda Shingen]

Meanwhile, Iwata Satoru breathes a sigh of relief that the Wii U will soon no longer be the bottom of the console market.

"Here's to not finishing last, guys!"

[Herr-Berbunch]

PS4 - 10

XBone - 0

PC - FTW, but if I had to choose a console it would be the PS4 without a shadow of a doubt. Ooh $5 per month is nothing to play online MP.

[kg6eyr]

Well, the price tag just threw me overboard. Heck, I'm still running on a first-generation Elite. Kinect is nice, but what if you really seldom use it, if at all? Granted, I like console over PC due to not having to constantly upgrade my rid to meet system requirements, but I think for what they're asking for, I'm better off throwing that money into other things - like upgrading my PC to meet requirements. (Badly needed, FYI.)

Wonder how long it'll be until the 360 goes the way of the original Xbox?

[Dowly]

EA says they didn't have anything to do with how Xbox One deals with used games:
http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/11/4421314/electronic-arts-talks-drm-and-used-games

:hmmm:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Don't hate EA - http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22801311

Pretty please.

:har:

[BossMark]

Xbox one :nope: what a stupid bloody name for it :yep:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Xbox one :nope: what a stupid bloody name for it :yep:

Yep, this should have been used before 359 others.

[Spiced_Rum]

Was it called the Xbox One because Microsoft think it is all you ever wanted or will need, and is the best games console ever? It is a stupid name, and until they include a microwave so that I can cook pizza for a late night gaming session it will never be The One.:yep:

[Spike88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Ug29BVEPI
If Xbox One was a girl. :haha:

Warning: Has some language and scantily clad women.

[TorpX]

Funny. :har:

I'm thinking board games could make a comeback soon.

[Crécy]

I'm thinking board games could make a comeback soon.


I didn't know they disappeared at some point. In my opinion board games have kept a steady, dedicated, community constantly around them. Perhaps the amount of 'occasional' players have changed but the core has always been there.

[TorpX]

You could be right.

[Schroeder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Ug29BVEPI
If Xbox One was a girl. :haha:

Warning: Has some language and scantily clad women.
I wouldn't mind playing with the Wii if he doesn't want to.:D

[Herr-Berbunch]

Thanks Spike, now I have to go through all the IFTH videos. :/\\!!

Edit - subscribed so I don't have to try hard to find them all.

[Spike88]

Don't shoot the messenger. :O:

No more game lending restrictions, daily check-ins or region locks.

http://ign.com/articles/2013/06/19/microsoft-reversing-xbox-one-internet-used-game-policies

I guess they realized their deal with it attitude wasnt getting them any fans.

It shows a lack of vision, planning and leadership to reveal the policy, double-down on it, say how great it is, then change it. That's all.

— Colin Moriarty (@notaxation) June 19, 2013

[Cybermat47]

^^^^

WOO-HOO!

[Oberon]

Xbox:180

[Red October1984]

^^^^

WOO-HOO!

"We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity," Mattrick concluded. "While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds."


This was what I was waiting for.

I'm on board for the Xbox One now! :yeah:


I had a gut feeling that Microsoft would change those policies. :arrgh!:

[Spike88]

I'm still on board for the system that is $100 dollars cheaper, and had never tried to screw their fan base with draconian policies.

Oh it's also the one that indie developers are flocking too and has 12 first party studios. :up:

Edit: And its also the one designed as a game console, not as a cable box and doesn't require a camera that is always watching you.

[Arclight]

I had a gut feeling that Microsoft would change those policies. :arrgh!:
Sure you did, because they have a track record of respecting their customers, right?

[Cybermat47]

Sure you did, because they have a track record of respecting their customers, right?

I think he was basing that feeling on their love of money. A crappy console earns no dough.

[Red October1984]

Now that I've done some research...I'm not completely on board...but it certainly helps.

I'll probably get it a year or two after it releases. :hmmm:

[Cybermat47]

I'll probably get it a year or two after it releases. :hmmm:

Good idea :yep:

I'm going to wait until Halo 5 comes out before I get mine.

[Oberon]

Xbox go home.

[HunterICX]

Xbox go home.

...You're Drunk?

HunterICX

[Herr-Berbunch]

I see David Cameron has already started his next job, working for M$, stand by for more u-turns.

[Red October1984]

Good idea :yep:

I'm going to wait until Halo 5 comes out before I get mine.

I'm going to give them time to fix whatever BS they're going to pull in the first launch months. :yep:

You know they will do something to piss us off. It's M$. It's what they do.


Maybe they'll partner with EA and change the OS to Origin... *shiver*

[Oberon]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvlbC5pTcp57C8kGPS6MKsoZJFJoqYh p4Pp1Mn3HYtiM1KapS5

[HunterICX]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/710/euqc.jpg

HunterICX

[Oberon]

http://imageshack.us/a/img850/2972/x8s9.jpg

[Herr-Berbunch]

You keep posting images from funnyjunk, stop it. They don't show to us mere mortals.

[kg6eyr]

Still not 100% completely on-board, if for only financial reasons. I'm somewhat happy about the no Internet required part, but since I live vicariously on the Net, I don't see that affecting me too much.

I suppose the only other plus would be the ability to buy/play used titles. What can I say? I'm a penny-pincher to the point where I make Abe Lincoln cry. I'll gladly save 15-75% on a title.

Guess that'll all have to wait until I'm forced to replace my aging Elite, or I decide to revert wholly back to PC. (I just dislike the idea of having to keep my rig up to spec. Resource and video lag, thou art mine enemy!)

Honestly, and my apologies if this slightly detracts from the topic, I'm surprised to see Microsoft not trying to jump into the portable market (Not Windows Mobile, cause I'm talking stand-alone portable, not a smartphone). Between Nintendo and Sony, I'm pretty sure that they've got some type of a market out there. Maybe they're not worried about that slice of the market?

Either way, as much as I've invested money into X360 titles, I'm just not quite sold on the whole Xbox One idea. Of course, I never took to Kinect. Sensors to detect body movements when I can't move fluidly enough, or jerk accidentally due to spasms? No thanks. Kind of reminds me of trying to play CoD when it came out on the Wii. I felt like an idiot trying to rifle-butt an enemy, then within five minutes of playing, I felt like I'd ran a marathon.

Now if I'm offered a semi-decent figure on a trade-up of my console, I might just consider it.

I wonder what'll happen to the One when someone chip mods it?

[Oberon]

You keep posting images from funnyjunk, stop it. They don't show to us mere mortals.

There, better puny human?

[Spike88]

I wonder what'll happen to the One when someone chip mods it?

It goes geothermal and wipes their house off the map.

[Oberon]

It goes geothermal and wipes their house off the map.

Either that or...

http://imageshack.us/a/img801/5520/9ej6.jpg

[Red October1984]

:rotfl2: :rotfl2:

I am excited for the new Star Wars Battlefront though... :hmmm:

[Red October1984]

Angry Joe Xbox One Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXdWRJ-xb4)

:hmmm: