Great Legs!

[Kelly621]

No, it not what you were thinking....:) What I mean is that SH3 is one long legged U-boat sim. It has been out for eight years now and still going pretty strong. The player community here and on other websites are still very active. There are several super mods and tons of individual mods that allow you to shape SH3 into pretty much what you want. There are still modders here working on new mods and keeping some old mods up to date. Finally, SH3 has weathered all the different Operating Systems from Windows 98 up to the current Windows 8 and still keeps running fine.

So what is going to kill off SH3 and put it in the "I use to love that sim" and move it down to the Subsim radio room Classic subsim forum? Just wondering what you all think will do it.

My meager thoughts on the subject:
SH5....maybe...in a few years, but not yet for me personally.

A new U-Boat sim....maybe....But I am not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

A loss of interest....I personally don't think so

A new PC OS....This I think is likely. Eventually a new OS ( Microsoft sure spits them out quickly anymore) is going to make SH3 almost impossible to get up and running correctly. I think this is the likely death of SH3.

But hey! I am sure going to enjoy as long as I can.

[Sailor Steve]

SH4 had some improvements over SH3, but it also had some new bugs. If those had been ironed out and as much modding attention given to it, SH4 would be very close to perfect. Alas, that never happened.

The same case is even stronger for SH5: More improvements, but also more bugs. If SH5 was as easily modded as they had promised it would be much further along than it is now.

Until someone either adds the things needed for SH4 or figures out how to add to SH5, SH3 will remain the most rounded and complete subsim available.

[Kelly621]

Originally posted by Sailor Steve: SH4 had some improvements over SH3, but it also had some new bugs. If those had been ironed out and as much modding attention given to it, SH4 would be very close to perfect. Alas, that never happened.

I did not mention SH4 since I view as a Pacific War sim, but I agree with what you said.....it did have the potential, but I still enjoy playing it.

[Cybermat47]

No, it not what you were thinking....:)


Awww... :wah:

[Sailor Steve]

I did not mention SH4 since I view as a Pacific War sim,
But with the Gold version you get a u-boat sim with the same bells and whistles, and with OM it is every bit as good as SH3 with a decent supermod. That said, GWX4 would have added and changed so much, I almost cry every time I think about it.

but I agree with what you said.....it did have the potential, but I still enjoy playing it.
Same here. :yep: I go back and forth between SH3 and SH4 - SH3 for the mods and SH4 for the gameplay.

But then I stil play AOD and SH1, so what to I know?

[Kelly621]

Originally posted by Sailor Steve: But then I stil play AOD and SH1, so what to I know?

About as much as me :)....I still have my old Windows 98 desktop with a an old Nvidia 4600 APG video card and two Voodoo 2's stuck in the PCI slots so I can still mess around with my old favorites COAD , Silent Hunter Commanders edition, Freespace I&2 and Red Baron 3D. Guess I will have to save my Windows 8 with Silent Hunter III on it for the day the new "OS what ever" won't run it.

[Mittelwaechter]

Just to counter some wilful misrepresentation...

http://abload.de/img/greatlegsuuka9.jpg

[BrucePartington]

I was walking the dogs while thinking about your question. Here's what I think.
Good games don't die. At least I don't think so. People like us keep old OS's and good old games, and the old machines than ran them.
As an example, I am still adicted to Railroad Tycoon II, a game that came out before Win 98 SE.
Closer to home, games like SH3 will never die, not only because they are good, but because they are "moddable". For me the next level a game can offer is the possibility of exploring and editing cfg files. Once I get into this, I find it more appealing than actually playing the game.
I still enjoy old games like Railroad Tycoon II and 3, Panzer General 2 and 3, Thunder Brigade, Caesar III, Civilization III, MSTS, and of course SH original, 2 and 3.
(Does Freecell count?) :O:

It's a bit chilly outside tonight, btw.

[MantiBrutalis]

GWX is the only reason I stuck with SH3 this year. I did check a few games, but I just went for the realism. GWX is just too much against SH5. That, and SH5 won't probably run on my laptop.

To the OS part - I believe that Microsoft (and other companies) did learn something about older program compatibility in the past years, so I think that whatever can be easily run on the current OS, will run on the next one too (maybe with little tweaks). For now, the SH3 community is strong enough to patch the game to the next OS anyway, if it didn't support it.

A subsim capable of surpassing SH3 would have to be very VERY good. And still, it would be a hardware-punishing game, so the users of older machines/smaller laptops will still stuck to SH3.

Microsoft did a baaad thing with the XP->Vista transition, many games do not work since that time... I hope they did learn something.

[ninja turtle]

It has been out for eight years now and still going pretty strong. The player community here and on other websites are still very active. There are several super mods and tons of individual mods that allow you to shape SH3 into pretty much what you want. There are still modders here working on new mods and keeping some old mods up to date. Finally, SH3 has weathered all the different Operating Systems from Windows 98 up to the current Windows 8 and still keeps running fine.

So what is going to kill off SH3 and put it in the "I use to love that sim" and move it down to the Subsim radio room Classic subsim forum? Just wondering what you all think will do it.

My meager thoughts on the subject:
SH5....maybe...in a few years, but not yet for me personally.

A new U-Boat sim....maybe....But I am not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

A loss of interest....I personally don't think so

A new PC OS....This I think is likely. Eventually a new OS ( Microsoft sure spits them out quickly anymore) is going to make SH3 almost impossible to get up and running correctly. I think this is the likely death of SH3

:agree::agree::agree: TOTALLY :D

GWX is the only reason I stuck with SH3 this year

:agree:That and SHCmdr :yeah:

A subsim capable of surpassing SH3 would have to be very VERY good. And still, it would be a hardware-punishing game, so the users of older machines/smaller laptops will still stuck to SH3.

Already SH5 is surpassing my games machine. I certainly can't afford to upgrade and if it ever (God forbid) overheats and destroys itself then it's whether SH3 will run on the latest OS at that time.

To the OS part - I believe that Microsoft (and other companies) did learn something about older program compatibility in the past years, so I think that whatever can be easily run on the current OS, will run on the next one too (maybe with little tweaks). For now, the SH3 community is strong enough to patch the game to the next OS anyway, if it didn't support it

I hope so :yep:

Until someone either adds the things needed for SH4 or figures out how to add to SH5, SH3 will remain the most rounded and complete subsim available.

Again I agree but not to take anything away from the modders :know:working hard to 'improve' SH5 and those that really enjoy playing this version. Unfortunately not for me as I've mentioned in a previous thread :yep:

I am sure going to enjoy as long as I can.

:yep::yep::yep::yep::yep::salute:

:subsim:

PS. @Mittelwaechter Nice legs!! :03:

[RustySubmarine]

I don't think SH3 will die as such, as long as there are PC's available for playing it. As has been said, it worked for Windows 98, XP, (forgetting Windows NT, 2000 & Vista, as these were failures as far as the general public were concerned) Windows 7 & now Windows 8. As long as the next OS doesn't get too technical, it could surpass this too. I still have games that will play on the latest systems, such as Microsoft Train Simulator, Roller Coaster Tycoon 3, R-factor (one of the best car racing games for the PC), Grand Prix Legends (another classic) all old games but still playable on Windows 8.

There are certain games that stick with people and SH3 is one of them, because like the other games I have mentioned, they are able to be improved on by Modding. All the Silent Hunter simulations will probably last for a long time to come, as long as there are still systems to play them on. Once the PC becomes obsolete, by some new fan dangled machine that has not even been thought of yet, then I don't think we have anything to worry about. Just make the most of it while you can, as when you get to my age, there isn't much time left to do anything.

[Kelly621]

Looks like most of you think the same as me....SH3 is going to be hard to kill off.

A good parallel to SH3 is Red Baron 3D. Released in 1998 and still has an active community of players and mod builders. Jasta 5, one of the old online sqaudrons, just had a RB3D online event this April. Even with Rise of Flight siphoning off a number of the old RB3D players it has not killed it. Now 15 years is staying power! SH3 has that same potential. Like RustySubmarine I am old enough that I might just die off before SH3 does :)

Kelly621

[Yorktown_Class]

No, it not what you were thinking....:) What I mean is that SH3 is one long legged U-boat sim. It has been out for eight years now and still going pretty strong. The player community here and on other websites are still very active. There are several super mods and tons of individual mods that allow you to shape SH3 into pretty much what you want. There are still modders here working on new mods and keeping some old mods up to date. Finally, SH3 has weathered all the different Operating Systems from Windows 98 up to the current Windows 8 and still keeps running fine.

So what is going to kill off SH3 and put it in the "I use to love that sim" and move it down to the Subsim radio room Classic subsim forum? Just wondering what you all think will do it.

My meager thoughts on the subject:
SH5....maybe...in a few years, but not yet for me personally.

A new U-Boat sim....maybe....But I am not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

A loss of interest....I personally don't think so

A new PC OS....This I think is likely. Eventually a new OS ( Microsoft sure spits them out quickly anymore) is going to make SH3 almost impossible to get up and running correctly. I think this is the likely death of SH3.

But hey! I am sure going to enjoy as long as I can.

You know,I was just thinking that.
I haven't played SH3 in about a year,I come back to the forums and see 56 people viewing the SH3 forum,it is as lively as ever..I will be installing it again:)

[Otto Fuhrmann]

Only 56? Must have been a quiet day! :salute:

[RustySubmarine]

SH3 gets as many viewing as the other two SH's so it is still just as popular even though it is the oldest sim of the three. Still the best in my opinion with GWX 3 & SH Commander.

[BigWalleye]

I'm afraid I have to differ. All old code eventually becomes unsupportable. The original Silent Hunter was killed off by the conversion from DOS to Windows. Privateer died, too, replaced by a flock of spin-off titles with lots of dazzle but no immersion. Game companies think pretty graphics, high-tech animation, and lots of gee-whiz provide immersion, but they are flat wrong. (Look at SH5 vs SH3. Which is more immersive? Which has the undefinable, subjective feel of a WW2 U-boat?) SH3 will start to die when tablet technology replaces the PC. Then it will be a matter of a few hardcore fans keeping the old, low-tech PC running to play SH3 on. And eventually, that, too, will die and with it, SH3.

Solution? Pray that some company makes a true replacement sometime in the future. But be patient. I'm still waiting for the replacement for SH.

[RustySubmarine]

I'm afraid I have to differ. All old code eventually becomes unsupportable. SH3 will start to die when tablet technology replaces the PC. Then it will be a matter of a few hardcore fans keeping the old, low-tech PC running to play SH3 on. And eventually, that, too, will die and with it, SH3.

Solution? Pray that some company makes a true replacement sometime in the future. But be patient. I'm still waiting for the replacement for SH.

It will die eventually, like myself. Nothing lives forever. But I think SH3 will out live me as long as there are still PC's to run it on.

I doubt very much we will get a replacement SH, I think SH5 will be the last. What I would like to see is one based on the British Submarines like the S & T Class during WW2. The British operated mainly in the Med and had some very successful missions with high tonnages sunk. They did much better than the German U boats in this theatre, and Britain too had its Submarine Aces.

[Kelly621]

Originally posted by BigWalleye: All old code eventually becomes unsupportable. The original Silent Hunter was killed off by the conversion from DOS to Windows. Privateer died, too, .......... SH3 will start to die when tablet technology replaces the PC. Then it will be a matter of a few hardcore fans keeping the old, low-tech PC running to play SH3

You make an excellent point. I started out with an Apple II in 1981 with a green mono monitor and a cassette tape drive...the entire OS and program resided on the same tape :) Other than a collector I doubt anyone is using those old systems or software today. Software and hardware technology are advancing faster and faster every few years. It also seems that as technology advances it becomes cheaper allowing people to upgrade quicker. What will we be using in another five or six years? It will be interesting to look back at this thread then and see what happened with SH3 and SH5 for that matter.

[Canovaro]

The game producers realise more and more that games live (and sell) longer if they are easily modded.

Today most games have an easy to mod structure. On the other hand, games more and more tend to be sipped without being finished. Certainly compared to games from the 90's. You know with a 100 page manual and maps and such. They used to be more than just software. Those games were hobbies rather than games. SH3 falls into that category, but after being heavily modded.

Okay this post makes me feel old.
:hmmm:

[RConch]

Just to counter some wilful misrepresentation...

http://abload.de/img/greatlegsuuka9.jpg

If only my WO looked like that! It would make those long trips to DT 53 seem worth it.
My two cents is, we won't see another U-boat sim perhaps because it would not be adaptable to what the current market likes.
Admit it, we are a very niche, almost clannish type of gamer. Lone wolf and all that. :Kaleun_Cheers: