Israel has conducted airstrike in Syria: U.S. official

[Gerald]

Is not that one, it's the other with various conflicts in the region.

(Reuters) - Israel has conducted an airstrike in Syria, apparently targeting a building, a U.S. official said on Friday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/04/us-syria-crisis-israel-usa-idUSBRE94300B20130504

Note: Sat May 4, 2013

[Gerald]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/world/middleeast/israel-syria.html?src=mv&_r=0

Note: Update record May 4, 2013

[Jimbuna]

Nothing like creating ones own responses :)

[eddie]

Israel wouldn't have to do things like this, if Assad wasn't trying to send more rockets to Hezbollah. Have you noticed one thing too, Syria has not said anything about it. Just like after Israel bombed their nuke plant, Assad said nothing. Syria knows better, better to fight the rebels, then to fight Israel,lol

[andritsos]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6d6_1367712024

i cant imagine the fear by such a sight. imagine a whole capital whitnessing such a thing...
thats a big 2ndary ( or its a main one?) explosion, is it me or the micro explosions are from ammo? i only can guess as i dont know, what you think?

lastly, what is the sound that we can hear in that video? ( apart the allah ahkbars...) , the ones around 0:03 to 0:17

[soopaman2]

Not a big pro Israel/zionist guy, but considering their proximity, and the fact everyone neighboring them hates them, I can understand, and not deny their actions are somewhat just


(edit) It seems like somehow America is always the (a-hole) in cases like this because we are blamed for Israel existing (Not the Brits who really made them)

[MH]

Israeli do somthing and pro zionists -no zionist mantra starts.
This mental issue should be researched.lol

[eddie]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6d6_1367712024

i cant imagine the fear by such a sight. imagine a whole capital whitnessing such a thing...
thats a big 2ndary ( or its a main one?) explosion, is it me or the micro explosions are from ammo? i only can guess as i dont know, what you think?

lastly, what is the sound that we can hear in that video? ( apart the allah ahkbars...) , the ones around 0:03 to 0:17

Hard to tell if its secondary explosions or more bombs hitting.

So far at least, Syria's big and bad air defense systems seem to be having a few problems, say like detecting incoming air strikes!

[soopaman2]

Israeli do somthing and pro zionists -no zionist mantra starts.
This mental issue should be researched.lol


I wasn't trying to start a crap storm, just stating that despite any opinions on Israel I have, I see this action as just by them, sorry I stated it so negatively in my previous post.

I see this as a defensive measure.

[MH]

I wasn't trying to start a crap storm, just stating that despite any opinions on Israel I have, I see this action as just by them, sorry I stated it so negatively in my previous post.

I see this as a defensive measure.

Its cool man.
You may have opinion which ever you like.
But...don't worry about becoming zionist when you agree with somthing israeli do.:haha:
No need to apologise.

[soopaman2]

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Osirak.html

Israeli testicular fortitude at its finest. They flew low level nearly the whole time.

Israel is hardcore. We can even go back the when they thumped Egypt and Syria at the same time during the 6 day war. By the time outside aid showed up it was over.

Good for them. (or better them than us?:-?)

[Tribesman]

(edit) It seems like somehow America is always the (a-hole) in cases like this because we are blamed for Israel existing (Not the Brits who really made them)
Under the terms the Brits set Israel could never be made, America gets the "blame" for swinging the UN vote despite the terms that had been set.
Britain(and France) get the blame for the mess they made with their local mandates.

[MH]

Good for them. (or better them than us?:-?)

As far as diplomacy politics and PR works i would not be surprised.:)

[soopaman2]

Under the terms the Brits set Israel could never be made, America gets the "blame" for swinging the UN vote despite the terms that had been set.
Britain(and France) get the blame for the mess they made with their local mandates.


Not saying the USA was "blameless" just saying is was not solely our idea. But we draw 98% of the ire and aggression from the arabs who hate them being there.

*nudges Alquaida and whatever other hairbrained morons to blow up someone else every coupla years, just to give us a chance to recover,)

After all we are fighting in 2 countries still, give us a handicap.

[MH]

Not saying the USA was "blameless" just saying is was not solely our idea. But we draw 98% of the ire and aggression from the arabs who hate them being there.That is very weak.....:hmmm:
Kudos to Al Qaeda.:-?

Blame Theodor Hertz.:yep:

b.w
The issues with al qaeda have little to do with Israel.

[Tribesman]

Not saying the USA was "blameless" just saying is was not solely our idea. But we draw 98% of the ire and aggression from the arabs who hate them being there.

If you take a job you take the flak that goes with it.
Look at it this way for a simple comparison. In the early 50s France was drawing the ire and aggression in Indo-China, 20 years later it was the US getting it.
That is the result of policy choices America chose to take.
If you don't like the "blame" that goes with policies you choose then don't choose those policies. If you do choose those policies then don't complain about the "blame" that goes with it.

[Skybird]

Israel struck a chemical weapons research facility in or near Damascus now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22417482

[Oberon]

Wondered when this would start. I expect Israel to be kept busy for a while, and it'll help keep Bennys coalition together a bit.

[Jimbuna]

This may well speed up the demise of Assads regime if it goes on for long.

[MH]

Wondered when this would start. I expect Israel to be kept busy for a while, and it'll help keep Bennys coalition together a bit.

Please clarify.
What?

[Tribesman]

This may well speed up the demise of Assads regime if it goes on for long.

Or it could work backwards, the saudi backed militias are not exactly friendly towards Israel and there have already been problems with them in the DMZ.

[Oberon]

Please clarify.
What?

Well, with the Syrian government losing control over things like their chemical weapons supplies and research facilities, and the rise of Al'Qaeda in Syria, the situation is slowly becoming more perilous for Israel as the possibility of weapons being smuggled out to Hamas and the like increases. Whilst the Syrian civil war is good news for Israel in that it doesn't have to worry about the Syrian government crossing the Golan Heights, it's also bad news in that the fragmented situation in Syria means that it's now easier for rogue groups to pass weapons on to Hamas. So rather than MOSSAD needing to monitor one group (the Syrian government) they now need to monitor dozens.
So, Israel is going to have to take some steps to reduce the chances of Syrian weapons ending up in Palestine, particularly Syrian chemical weapons, and Israel is well known for pre-emptive action. It might well have been waiting for the US to make a move, but since that's not going to happen then it's going to get to work by itself. I can't see Syria putting up much resistance to Israeli strikes other than verbal condemnation, so it makes sense for Israel to act.
In regards to Benny, I refer to the rather strung together coalition which is governing Israel at the moment after Benjamin Netanyahu failed to achieve enough votes for Likud to govern by majority in the Knesset. I believe there are three or four parties in the coalition, and many people have given the coalition a rather limited lifespan, however the decision to pre-emptively strike targets in Syria in order to reduce the likelihood of them reaching Israeli soil is a decision which will likely be approved by all the parties involved in the coalition and boost Netanyahus standing within it, I can see The Jewish Home approving, Yisrael Beiteinu would probably approve too, Yesh Atid would probably not be too fussed but wouldn't disagree with it, and Likud would probably be approving too. Thus, by undertaking an action which on one hand improves Israeli security, and on the other hand, raises Netanyahus standing within the coalition, it is both a militarily and politically sound move to make, thus I am not surprised that it has happened, and I would not be surprised to see it continue until the Israeli government is certain that any and all threats to Israel that could originate within Syria are eliminated.

[MH]

Or it could work backwards, the saudi backed militias are not exactly friendly towards Israel and there have already been problems with them in the DMZ.
In DMZ there had been problems with Syrian army recently.
Some rebel's wounded had beet treated there as well.
Not saying they are friendly though....generally speaking.:haha:

Besides...
hizballah missiles and chemicals should not mix regardless of who is more saint than the other.

[MH]

Well, with the Syrian government losing control over things like their chemical weapons supplies and research facilities, and the rise of Al'Qaeda in Syria, the situation is slowly becoming more perilous for Israel as the possibility of weapons being smuggled out to Hamas and the like increases. Whilst the Syrian civil war is good news for Israel in that it doesn't have to worry about the Syrian government crossing the Golan Heights, it's also bad news in that the fragmented situation in Syria means that it's now easier for rogue groups to pass weapons on to Hamas. So rather than MOSSAD needing to monitor one group (the Syrian government) they now need to monitor dozens.
So, Israel is going to have to take some steps to reduce the chances of Syrian weapons ending up in Palestine, particularly Syrian chemical weapons, and Israel is well known for pre-emptive action. It might well have been waiting for the US to make a move, but since that's not going to happen then it's going to get to work by itself. I can't see Syria putting up much resistance to Israeli strikes other than verbal condemnation, so it makes sense for Israel to act.
In regards to Benny, I refer to the rather strung together coalition which is governing Israel at the moment after Benjamin Netanyahu failed to achieve enough votes for Likud to govern by majority in the Knesset. I believe there are three or four parties in the coalition, and many people have given the coalition a rather limited lifespan, however the decision to pre-emptively strike targets in Syria in order to reduce the likelihood of them reaching Israeli soil is a decision which will likely be approved by all the parties involved in the coalition and boost Netanyahus standing within it, I can see The Jewish Home approving, Yisrael Beiteinu would probably approve too, Yesh Atid would probably not be too fussed but wouldn't disagree with it, and Likud would probably be approving too. Thus, by undertaking an action which on one hand improves Israeli security, and on the other hand, raises Netanyahus standing within the coalition, it is both a militarily and politically sound move to make, thus I am not surprised that it has happened, and I would not be surprised to see it continue until the Israeli government is certain that any and all threats to Israel that could originate within Syria are eliminated.

Well...you can see it this way if you like.
It almost looked like some grand conspiracy at first glance.
I personalty would be very happy for this coalition to hold.:)

When it comes to Syria it used to be one of the most quiet and lazy borders.
We had stopped worrying about attacks from Syria a long time ago.
This new situation is a game changer for now.

[Tribesman]

In DMZ there had been problems with Syrian army recently.
Some rebel's wounded had beet treated there as well.

And there was me thinking the FSA advancing up from Jordan along the DMZ and the Nusras who pushed south along the lebanese border to the DMZ who had been causing problems too.
So glad you put me straight, its only the Syrian army there and a few wounded rebels who appear to be a bit lost.

[MH]

And there was me thinking the FSA advancing up from Jordan along the DMZ and the Nusras who pushed south along the lebanese border to the DMZ who had been causing problems too.
So glad you put me straight, its only the Syrian army there and a few wounded rebels who appear to be a bit lost.

You welcome.:haha:

[Skybird]

Assad is already oainting Israel as cooperating with terrorists. That way it could backfire against Israel if the Muslim crowds across the orient indeed would believe that.

For Israel, there seem to be no other practicable options than doing like it just did.

Now that Israel has seen what Obama's red line line getting crossed caused in announced "serious consequences" - essentially nothing, just now formally giving the fundamentalist militias weapons that before where financed by the CIA who gave money to the apparently broken Saudis who bought weapons with that CIA money on the black market and gave them to the rebels - , it must feel in creasingly lonely both with regard to Syria and Iran as well. That recently improved MOPs were demonstrated to an Israeli delegation to appease Israel, will not mean much for Jerusalem. Israel has no platform to deliver such weapons if it gets them, leaving the decisive control again to Barrack Red Line Obama, and I also do not believe that even repeated bombings with such weapons in one precision target slot can move whole mountains.

I am also wondering whether that is just a translation thing, or indicates more: German media recently said that president Red Line would still consider military options if - translated back from the German - the Iranians would use or consider the use of nuclear weapons. I wonder if that is just a slip of the German quality journalists, or really was said like that in original English, since before it always was said that military options would be considered before Iran gains access to nuclear weapons...!?

If Israel continues to sit still, that this is not because they put their trust in Obama. They do not, I have no doubt, they just realize that the Iranian job is far bigger than what they can handle all by themselves (assuming Jerusalem would not authorize the use of Israeli nukes first).

[Takeda Shingen]

You guys finally caved, huh? :haha:

[Oberon]

You guys finally caved, huh? :haha:

He started it! :O:

[Takeda Shingen]

He started it! :O:

And I was looking forward to see if the database would be skewed in favor of threads about foreign meats. :D

[MH]

And I was looking forward to see if the database would be skewed in favor of threads about foreign meats. :D

Since you a vegetarian (right?lets talk about broccoli.

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/125/e3f4c92458869649f838fb07dc7123b0/l.png

:haha:

[MH]

(assuming Jerusalem would not authorize the use of Israeli nukes first). http://steelturman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/13/cat_big_eyes_kitten_photo_shop_scar.pnghttp://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4500000/Big-Eyes-animal-humor-4515746-1280-800.jpghttp://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4500000/Big-Eyes-animal-humor-4515746-500-313.jpg

[Oberon]

http://3.asset.soup.io/asset/0903/2355_aa64.jpeg

[Skybird]

Now you are laughing. But probabilities are all you get. No certainties.

As long as you claim to calculate all scenarios but leave out those you do not like, you have NOT taken into account all scenarios. Heck, its the ME. That truth counts twice there.

[Skybird]

Egypt condemns Israel's attacks.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/egypt-condemns-israeli-airstrikes-syria-19112307

Egypt, Hezbollah, Syria no matter who rules, Iran having its hands in Lebanon and Syria as well, Turkey: military pressure is mounting on Israel. Their position constantly detoriates and weakens, since years now. I wonder how long things will remain relatively peaceful for Israel regarding Jordan. It is reported that fundamentalism is mounting in Jordan, too.

I tend to think that the next Israeli-Arab war is in the making. Maybe not now, maybe not tomorrow. But things are slipping away from the pragmatic status of the past 30 years.

[MH]

Now you are laughing. But probabilities are all you get. No certainties.

As long as you claim to calculate all scenarios but leave out those you do not like, you have NOT taken into account all scenarios. Heck, its the ME. That truth counts twice there.

Neither you or me really know what scenarios had been drawn.
I hope though that somebody is doing good job in this regard.

I tend to think that the next Israeli-Arab war is in the making. Maybe not now, maybe not tomorrow. But things are slipping away from the pragmatic status of the past 30 years.For next Arab Israeli war to make sense for them the arabs , they would have to go full circle and return to sort of pragmatism first . consolidate , improve economy and then buy weapons and rebuilt the military.
For now Israel may face sort of attrition war .... sort of crap that is going on from Gaza.

[TLAM Strike]

Since you a vegetarian (right?lets talk about broccoli
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8738/tumblrm809fvamm21qer56y.jpg

[Oberon]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m49nqm2bkP1qdfbnlo1_500.jpg

[TLAM Strike]

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8172/tumblrm80aggxz101qer56y.jpg

One of these days I need to make a list of the funniest out of context TNG lines.

[eddie]

Probably not the smartest order to come from Assad!:nope:

http://news.msn.com/world/syria-gives-green-light-to-attack-israel-palestinian-group

[Jimbuna]

Talk about stacking the odds against yourself :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

Probably not the smartest order to come from Assad!:nope:

Not unexpected, the PFGC are already fighting the rebels in the golan and the anti assad palestinians are fighting the government and pro govt palestinians there and south of Damascus.
Since both the pros and antis are also anti Israel the statement makes no difference regarding Israel really


Talk about stacking the odds against yourself
Is it though? Inviting further Isreali actions could be just what Assad needs to undermine his oppponents

[Jimbuna]

I'd have thought any further actions by Israel would only hasten his demise.

[Tribesman]

I'd have thought any further actions by Israel would only hasten his demise.
There is nothing a middle eastern tin pot dictator loves more for rallying support than Israeli action.
Can you see any group apart from some of the PYD wanting to be seen fighting on the same side as Israel?

[Jimbuna]

I can see Israel inflicting more harm on his military and turning them against their master than he can stomach in the medium to long term.

[Tribesman]

I can see Israel inflicting more harm on his military and turning them against their master than he can stomach in the medium to long term.
But in the short term Irans proxies have been topping up their arsenal via the land route Bush kindly provided and Israel has realised that Iron Dome is too expensive and is not up to the job.

[Jimbuna]

Well past history has taught me many things and one of them is...poke Israel too hard or repeatedly and you'll eventually pay a heavy price.

Not saying I'd like to see that but I firmly believe they have the right to protect themselves as does any nation for that matter.

[Tribesman]

Well past history has taught me many things and one of them is...poke Israel too hard or repeatedly and you'll eventually pay a heavy price.

The problem there is history shows Israel also has to pay a heavy price, and unfortunately it is a price she increasingly can ill afford.

One thing is for sure though. If Assad or his succesor retains power Israel will still have the same problems with Syria. If any one of the rebel groups gain power Israel will still have the same problems with Syria.
Not exactly a winning situation is it.

[MH]

But in the short term Irans proxies have been topping up their arsenal via the land route Bush kindly provided and Israel has realised that Iron Dome is too expensive and is not up to the job.

What is that?
More news from lala land?:haha:
Iron dome is not solution that is suposed to replace other meams to deal with certain treats and never was.

One thing is for sure though. If Assad or his succesor retains power Israel will still have the same problems with Syria. If any one of the rebel groups gain power Israel will still have the same problems with Syria.
Not exactly a winning situation is it.

So what do you sugest can be done to solve this?
Sighn peace traty with Assad?

[Tribesman]

What is that?
More news from lala land?:haha:

Yes, lala land as thats obviously where you live isn't it.
surely you can crawl out of the bunker once in a while to keep up with Israeli news from Israeli sources:haha:

Iron dome is not solution that is suposed to replace other meams to deal with certain treats and never was.

yoohoo wake up, its your government and your military making the complaints.:doh:

BTW
Any more news of those strangely lost wounded rebels on their magical mystery sightseeing tour?

[MH]

Yep more lala stuff.
Some people in military did not want iron dome to begin with very valid arguments.
The effectiveness of this weapon can not be questioned as it has proved itself very well in practice.
Coast effectiveness depends on how you add the numbers and how you chose to look at the issue.
In board view it is quite cost effective.
In pure military aspect not so much.

But as usual Tribsman you just parot same nonsense over and over again.
Here we go... would be mister Spook # 2 lol.

[Tribesman]

Yep more lala stuff.

Your lame attempts at trolling are getting more pathetic all the time.


The effectiveness of this weapon can not be questioned as it has proved itself very well in practice.

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
You really are clueless.
It was its actual use during the gaza problems which led to your military and your politicians asking all the questions.
You really should pay more attention to events in your neighbourhood.

[MH]

You really are clueless.
It was its actual use during the gaza problems which led to your military and your politicians asking all the questions.
You really should pay more attention to events in your neighbourhood.

Jebus....(what?:haha:)...you are so full lolz.
Forget about it ...nevermind.

[Jimbuna]

It's beginning to look like there is as much chance of you two seeing eye to eye as there is of achieving peace in the middle east.

[Tribesman]

It's beginning to look like there is as much chance of you two seeing eye to eye as there is of achieving peace in the middle east.
Things have improved, his screams of anti semite don't appear now every time he reads something he doesn't like about the mid-east mess.:03:

[MH]

It's beginning to look like there is as much chance of you two seeing eye to eye as there is of achieving peace in the middle east.

Don't take it seriously.
Just wanted to know where his rubish comes from and what he makes of it.
We both know he has no idea what he talks about, it is funny thought how stubbornly he pretends he has.

Things have improved.......blah blah
Don't flatter yourself :haha:

[Tribesman]

Just wanted to know where his rubish comes from and what he makes of it.
We both know he has no idea what he talks about, it is funny thought how stubbornly he pretends he has.

And that is written by someone who didn't even know the IDF publishes its news:har:

Don't flatter yourself :haha:
Epic fail in your reading comprehension.
Well done MH you really show yourself for what you are.

[MH]

And that is written by someone who didn't even know the IDF publishes its news:har:


Epic fail in your reading comprehension.
Well done MH you really show yourself for what you are.


Yes keep having fun reading what ever you read.
You know what...what about solid link to back your clams....?

[Skybird]

Reports are coming in that Moscow mulls a sale of S300 AD-systems to Syria. Obviously that is not aimed at the rebels, but at the Europeans and Americans and Israelis, to make sure they stay out.

I wonder if Israel will conclude that it can afford such high tech systems just north of it, being said to be potent enough to pose serious risks to Israeli flight operations.

S300's several different incarnatiuons base either on the SA-10 Grumble, or the bigger SA-20 which is capable to intercept ballistic missiles as well. Maximum range of the latest versions is close to 200 km.

The S-300P with SA-10 missiles is seen as the Russian equivalent to the American Patriot system.

I would not be surprised if Israel decides to take the systems out while they are still enroute in Syria on delivery. Not to imagine what it would mean if one of these systems ends up in Lebanon.

Meanwhile, the war enters Jordan'S North-West in growing intensity, it seems. Not only refugees stream in there in growing numbers, but also shells and missled missiles - 50 per week, reports German Frankfurter Rundschau, tendency: upwards. Two major bases of the rebels are located within 1 km of the border, the Syrians "visit" the area frequently. The official borderlines do not mean anything there right now, I think.

[Skybird]

Same story like above, English source (WSJ).

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324059704578471453006383248.html?m od=WSJEurope_hpp_LEFTTopStories#

[Tribesman]

Yes keep having fun reading what ever you read.
You know what...what about solid link to back your clams....?
Have you lost the links to the IDF and Knesset websites which you amazingly couldn't find yourself with your special local knowledge?:rotfl2:


Two major bases of the rebels are located within 1 km of the border, the Syrians "visit" the area frequently. The official borderlines do not mean anything there right now, I think. Two major bases of the rebels are located within 1 km of the border, the Syrians "visit" the area frequently. The official borderlines do not mean anything there right now, I think. 05-09-2013 08:09 AMTwo major bases of the rebels are located within 1 km of the border, the Syrians "visit" the area frequently. The official borderlines do not mean anything there right now, I think. 05-09-2013 08:09 AM
No no no, benefit from the wisdom of the local "expert", all that fighting south of Damascus is really north of Damascus, there are no rebels fighting in the south apart from a couple of wounded rebels who got lost:03:

[MH]

Have you lost the links to the IDF and Knesset websites which you amazingly couldn't find yourself with your special local knowledge?:rotfl2:



Is it so hard to post a link Tribsman?
What about quoting relevant article?

Whats the big deal if you are so convinced?
Please prove that i'm talking rubbish and not you...be a sport.:)

It is not that i did ask you out or something ..... so stop this Turkish drama lol.
BW
Kudos for reading those sites though....you funny guy.

Link to the article?

[Tribesman]

It is not that i did ask you out or something ..... so stop this Turkish drama lol.

Hello darling, could you enlighten me with your local expertise which group has again attacked and captured UN personel during the fighting in the DMZ.
Could you please fill me in with the details of the previous capture of UN personal from the DMZ and their eventual transit through rebel held territory into Jordan.
Perhaps you will indulge me with the back and forths between your government and the UN since the December updates on fighting within the DMZ, though I am not sure you know how to find the knesset website to get the official Israeli government position on those few lost wounded rebels in the region you tell us about as that would take special local knowledge:rotfl2:

[MH]

Hello darling, could you enlighten me with your local expertise which group has again attacked and captured UN personel during the fighting in the DMZ.
Could you please fill me in with the details of the previous capture of UN personal from the DMZ and their eventual transit through rebel held territory into Jordan.
Perhaps you will indulge me with the back and forths between your government and the UN since the December updates on fighting within the DMZ, though I am not sure you know how to find the knesset website to get the official Israeli government position on those few lost wounded rebels in the region you tell us about as that would take special local knowledge:rotfl2:

Hello...
Simple thing...a link to article or articles?

If it something written that made you read in between the lines will do as well....

It is not some confidential source , No lol?

[Jimbuna]

Same story like above, English source (WSJ).

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324059704578471453006383248.html?m od=WSJEurope_hpp_LEFTTopStories#

I can imagine once located via satellite, TLAM or the like would be used in an attempt to destroy them.

[Tribesman]

Hello...
Simple thing...a link to article or articles?

Why on earth should I supply any further links to a blinkered nationalist troll?
You will only come out with the same bunkervision crap again and again.

It is not some confidential source , No lol?
Well this might be a bit hard for you to manage as you have difficulty with the internet thingy, but if you go down to the local store you can buy a local newspaper.
Its amazing, could it be something as simple as reading local news for local people?
The fact that you are so oblivious to local events you are trying to talk about which are well covered in your local media is hilarious...must be the local expertise you are so proud of:rotfl2:

[MH]

Why on earth should I supply any further links to a blinkered nationalist troll?
You will only come out with the same bunkervision crap again and again.


Well this might be a bit hard for you to manage as you have difficulty with the internet thingy, but if you go down to the local store you can buy a local newspaper.
Its amazing, could it be something as simple as reading local news for local people?
The fact that you are so oblivious to local events you are trying to talk about which are well covered in your local media is hilarious...must be the local expertise you are so proud of:rotfl2:

Yeah... Internet is a mess .:haha:


Now its local newspaper....any links to this local newspaper's website or must i get the printed edition.

[Skybird]

I can imagine once located via satellite, TLAM or the like would be used in an attempt to destroy them.
At least one version of the the S300-series is mobile, can get hidden just anywhere, moved within short time. Several versions also are designed to intercept cruise missiles instead of just taking them. This is not some old SA-2. However, differences exist between the various subtypes. Some have less than half the range of the longest running versions, others have far improved elctronics, and so on. It's a huge missile family. But the better versions really have a nasty bite, it seems. And with one version having a range of 200 km - well, look at a map and see what that means for Israeli air space if it gets stationed near the Golan, or in Southern Lebanon. Could cover all of Israel's northern air space, and then some.

Not to mention the system ending up in the rebels or Hezbolla's hands. Israel has struck for less advanced missile deliveries from Iran already.

[Tribesman]

Now its local newspaper....any links to this local newspaper's website or must i get the printed edition.
Well thats a hard choice to make, since you are unable to read your governments and your militaries statements, perhaps you might consider viewing a local paper which reports your governments and militaries statements.
Though of course only the military has printed the latest complaints about its jeep getting shot at from the DMZ so the newspapers will only have that to copy and paste and won't have the governments complaints about it till the government post their next update for the newpapers to repeat.

You really must crawl out of your bunker once in a while, 7 solid months of official Israeli complaints about the intense fighting in the DMZ and you thought there was just a couple of lost wounded rebels wandering around:haha:

[Jimbuna]

At least one version of the the S300-series is mobile, can get hidden just anywhere, moved within short time. Several versions also are designed to intercept cruise missiles instead of just taking them. This is not some old SA-2. However, differences exist between the various subtypes. Some have less than half the range of the longest running versions, others have far improved elctronics, and so on. It's a huge missile family. But the better versions really have a nasty bite, it seems. And with one version having a range of 200 km - well, look at a map and see what that means for Israeli air space if it gets stationed near the Golan, or in Southern Lebanon. Could cover all of Israel's northern air space, and then some.

Not to mention the system ending up in the rebels or Hezbolla's hands. Israel has struck for less advanced missile deliveries from Iran already.

Rgr that but I doubt they'll be given the latest and most advanced versions and once they 'light up' their radars low level assets would be brought into play....they can't hit what they can't see.

[eddie]

Before Iran starts sending more arms to Hezbollah, they better make sure they have some,LOL

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/3-explosions-heard-in-Tehran-near-missile-facility-312369

[Jimbuna]

Food for thought.

[eddie]

More detailed info coming out now about this explosion. Of course, the Iranians say it was a controlled explosion!:haha:

http://www.israeldefense.com/?CategoryID=483&ArticleID=2117

[Tribesman]

In latest news(obviously not available in Israel) the IDF has announced it is closing the Northern road to civilian traffic.
I think maybe one of the lost wounded rebels may be causing some sort of traffic hazard with his wheelchair.

[MH]

What is the northern road tribesman , why it was closed and where is the link?

[Jimbuna]

More detailed info coming out now about this explosion. Of course, the Iranians say it was a controlled explosion!:haha:

http://www.israeldefense.com/?CategoryID=483&ArticleID=2117

Pure coincidence? :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

What is the northern road tribesman
You are the local expert, you tell me.:haha:

why it was closed
Ask the people who announced it, like I said it was probably a wheelchair causing an obstruction.
I think the earlier closing of airspace (first time since the war with Lebanon) was down to one of those lost wounded rebels waving his crutch above his head.
Now a sensible unblinkered person might think of looking at the special "urgent" Israeli cabinet meeting on the ongoing Golan situation where Benny Gantz and his staff made their recomendations to the politicians.
But I know you wouldn't be able to manage that.

where is the link?
In earlier events.....
Why on earth should I supply any further links to a blinkered nationalist troll?

[MH]

You are the local expert, you tell me.:haha:


Ask the people who announced it, like I said it was probably a wheelchair causing an obstruction.
I think the earlier closing of airspace was down to one of those lost wounded rebels waving his crutch above his head.
Now a sensible unblinkered person might think of looking at the special "urgent" Israeli cabinet meeting on the ongoing Golan situation where Benny Gantz and his staff made their recomendations to the politicians.
But I know you wouldn't be able to manage that.


In earlier events.....
Why on earth should I supply any further links to a blinkered nationalist troll?



Nationalist Troll...lol...

Tribsman... you are like 12 years old kid but it was fun having this little chit chat.
Carry on...

[Tribesman]

Carry on...
Is there any need?
You always make it too easy for it to be clearly demonstrated that you are just a troll and a liar.

[Catfish]

Maybe like in Iran ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY1j0R1pC-w

:O:

[MH]

Maybe like in Iran ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY1j0R1pC-w

:O:
You mistalbet again?.:nope:

:D

[Oberon]

This thread has become a balagan, and meshuggah, so let's just stop here, ok?

[Platapus]

This thread has become a balagan, and meshuggah, so let's just stop here, ok?


Technically, I believe it would be: this thread has become balagan...

Not become *a* balagan unless you want to add noun object(the use of the article "a" turns balagan from a noun into an adjective) such as

The thread has become a balagan and meshuggah (meshuga) shudden

But then I am just an old manzer and no one is interested in reading a megillah.

:D

And they say that you can't get a good education from New York. :haha:

[MH]

This thread has become a balagan, and meshuggah, so let's just stop here, ok?


My Schmuck fun is over.
I'm done.:salute:

[Tribesman]

I'm done.
You are, done up like a kipper:haha:

[Jimbuna]

Smiley saves the day.

[Sailor Steve]

Yes, you are both done.

Half the time you act responsibly, arguing with each other in a somewhat moderate, though heated, fashion. Neither one of you is actually trolling. Then you start calling each other trolls. Then you both start trolling.

How about this: Argue as you wish, or don't. No problem, but no more name-calling.

[edit] I see Jim just barely beat me to it, in his usual polite fashion.

[MH]

Yes, you are both done.

Half the time you act responsibly, arguing with each other in a somewhat moderate, though heated, fashion. Neither one of you is actually trolling. Then you start calling each other trolls. Then you both start trolling.

How about this: Argue as you wish, or don't. No problem, but no more name-calling.

[edit] I see Jim just barely beat me to it, in his usual polite fashion.

Seriously... did you see any arguing on last few pages?:haha:
It was turkish drama..

I was just taking mickey here for some reasons of mine...:03:
Besides... I was very nice...no name calling.

[Tribesman]

I was just taking mickey here for some reasons of mine...:03:

The reason being that you are here to troll and had no points to make at all.


Besides... I was very nice...no name calling.
And a liar again.

[MH]

The reason being that you are here to troll and had no points to make at all.



And a liar again.

Yes and yes that settles it?:haha:

Now reread all the pages and tell me what does it make you ...and who you claim you are.:)

:salute:

[MH]

Russian foreign minister denies reports of Russian intentions to sell Assad's regime advanced missile defense system; reports claimed deal includes 6 launchers, 144 game-changing missiles


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4378633,00.html

[Platapus]

"144 game-changing missiles"

Yikes! I have heard of anti-aircraft missiles, cruise missile, ballistic missiles, even anti radiation missiles, but a game changing missile?

Launch one of those and WoW crashes?

I am sitting at my computer, peacefully playing solitaire and WHAM! missile impact and I am suddenly playing Free Cell?

Those bastages!

Hague must cover vicious weapons like this!

[Oberon]

"144 game-changing missiles"

Yikes! I have heard of anti-aircraft missiles, cruise missile, ballistic missiles, even anti radiation missiles, but a game changing missile?

Launch one of those and WoW crashes?

I am sitting at my computer, peacefully playing solitaire and WHAM! missile impact and I am suddenly playing Free Cell?

Those bastages!

Hague must cover vicious weapons like this!

I've had weapons like that used on me before, BSOD bombs, game-changing missiles, CTD catapults, we definitely need to campaign for UN intervention to stop this heinous crime. :nope:

[Tribesman]

Now reread all the pages and tell me what does it make you ...and who you claim you are.:)


:har::har::har::har::har:
What do I claim I am ?

[MH]

:har::har::har::har::har:
What do I claim I am ?


You claim that you are not idiot lol.

[MH]

Hague must cover vicious weapons like this!

:haha:

You mean like power ups?

[Tribesman]

You claim that you are not idiot lol.
Really ? where ?
So its just more lies and trolling from you again as usual.

[Oberon]

Oh get a room you two...

[MH]

Really ? where ?


http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=204163

See?
Not so hard copy/paste is it?
It is all in the wrist.

[Tribesman]

See?

So when you are called out on your silly lies you just add more lies:haha:
When it comes down to it you really are just like Alex or Zeewolf

If you had the faintest idea what you were on about you would have picked up on the very obvious fabrication I added in post#69:know:

[MH]

So when you are called out on your silly lies you just add more lies:haha:
When it comes down to it you really are just like Alex or Zeewolf

If you had the faintest idea what you were on about you would have picked up on the very obvious fabrication I added in post#69:know:

You think so?

From the amount of bull i stopped reading.

Alex & zeewolf....long time no see lol

Seriously... how anybody can take you seriously?

Anyway...may the Schwartz be with you ... enjoy pissing conservatives and wanking every time Skybird post something.

[Tribesman]

You think so?

You have shown that it is so

From the amount of bull i stopped reading.

Yet you are completely unable to see anything anyway through your fog of blind nationalist rage.
The only bull apart from copious amounts from yourself was in changing the date of the attack on the Israeli patrol(northern road again:03:) and saying that the Israeli media hadn't covered the politicians response to the incident.
I chose that particular incident from the many incidents the Israeli government signs off on as it shows two other of your lame attempts are completely false and also ties in nicely with some points Jimbuna raised.

Seriously... how anybody can take you seriously?

I told you before, when dealing with a zealot like you I only use Israeli sources so that it shows your crazy rants to be exactly what they are.
All the information is freely available.

[Hottentot]

Observe, dear students, closely this perfect case in point of what we have discussed in the theory classes for the last two weeks. This here is, as you may remember from the exam material, a perfect case in point of "last word syndrome". Does anyone remember what the symptoms are?

Yes, that's correct: the obsession of always replying, no matter if it makes sense or not, and not really saying anything but still clinging to the vain Internet pride and the compulsive need to always make the last reply of the argument so that your argument (which most likely ceased being relevant to the discussion at least several pages ago to everyone but yourself) will seem like the ultimate truth. Can someone tell us what causes it?

Yes, that is again correct: we need two people for such phenomena to happen, well said indeed. We need two, for obviously there can't be the last reply obsession if you don't have anyone to reply to. Also, we specifically need two persons suffering from the syndrome, as otherwise the other person will choose the only sensible course of action (that is, cease replying and wasting time) and thus spoils the obsessed person's fun.

Yes, a question in the back row?

Ah, a good question, young Sir! The answer, contrary to the popular belief, is not that they wouldn't know what a PM is. Indeed, the older research suggests such hypothesis, but the more recent experiments have shown that they are capable of using the PM function much like most of the ordinary forum people. Therefore a new theory has been put forward, further strengthening the idea of vain Internet pride, that people suffering from the syndrome also crave for audience. For in their minds they think themselves highly clever and believe that they are proverbially blinding the unwashed masses with their shining wit and cunning one liners. Years of therapy has been proven to heal them from such delusions in some cases, but unfortunately the work has proved fatal for many therapists who have lost their minds due to years of listening to the clumsy and unoriginal one liners of their patients.

Ah, another question?

Yes, many have asked that same, eternal question: is there something to be done? So far the researchers are still arguing this. Some suggest that reasoning with the patients will eventually make them understand the futility of their attempts and the severeness of their condition, but some, more skeptical scientists suggest that these people are beyond help. All, however, agree that engaging in mud slinging contest with a person suffering from the syndrome is futile waste of time and the best course of action is to simply stop replying.

Yes, young lady in there.

Yes, that's right, indeed some have suggested that such course of action makes the patient think he has won the Internet debate, thus reinforcing the condition. However, we will have to consider closely what do we want more: to fight an uphill battle and eventually lose our minds and fill the forum with pages and pages of uselessness, or to carry on with our lives and not to spoil it for everyone else. For it has been also been theorized that a person suffering from the "last word syndrome" is often suffering from the "sniper syndrome" and will, with relentless fervor, look you up in every single thread you ever post after insulting him and try to turn it into another last word competition. Therefore it is widely believed that for your own sanity you should avoid continuing the discourse as soon as you spot the symptoms in the other person.

This concludes our lesson for today. :know:

[Buddahaid]

Observe, dear students, closely this perfect case in point of what we have discussed on the theory classes for the last two weeks. This here is, as you may remember from the exam material, a perfect case in point of "last word syndrome". Does anyone remember what the symptoms are?

Yes, that's correct: the obsession of always replying, no matter if it makes sense or not, and not really saying anything but still clinging to the vain Internet pride and the compulsive need to always make the last reply of the argument so that your argument (which most likely ceased being relevant to the discussion at least several pages ago to everyone but yourself) will seem like the ultimate truth. Can someone tell us what causes it?

Yes, that is again correct: we need two people for such phenomena to happen, well said indeed. We need two, for obviously there can't be the last reply obsession if you don't have anyone to reply to. Also, we specifically need two persons suffering from the syndrome, as otherwise the other person will choose the only sensible course of action (that is, cease replying and wasting time) and thus spoils the obsessed person's fun.

Yes, a question in the back row?

Ah, a good question, young Sir! The answer, contrary to the popular belief, is not that they wouldn't know what a PM is. Indeed, the older research suggests such hypothesis, but the more recent experiments have shown that they are capable of using the PM function much like most of the ordinary forum people. Therefore a new theory has been put forward, further strengthening the idea of vain Internet pride, that people suffering from the syndrome also crave for audience. For in their minds they think themselves highly clever and believe that they are proverbially blinding the unwashed masses with their shining wit and cunning one liners. Years of therapy has been proven to heal them from such delusions in some cases, but unfortunately the work has proved fatal for many therapists who have lost their minds due to years of listening to the clumsy and unoriginal one liners of their patients.

Ah, another question?

Yes, many have asked that same, eternal question: is there something to be done? So far the researchers are still arguing this. Some suggest that reasoning with the patients will eventually make them understand the futility of their attempts and the severeness of their condition, but some, more skeptical scientists suggest that these people are beyond help. All, however, agree that engaging in mud slinging contest with a person suffering from the syndrome is futile waste of time and the best course of action is to simply stop replying.

Yes, young lady in there.

Yes, that's right, indeed some have suggested that such course of action makes the patient think he has won the Internet debate, thus reinforcing the condition. However, we will have to consider closely what do we want more: to fight an uphill battle and eventually lose our minds and fill the forum with pages and pages of uselessness, or to carry on with our lives and not to spoil it for everyone else. For it has been also been theorized that a person suffering from the "last word syndrome" is often suffering from the "sniper syndrome" and will, with relentless fervor, look you up in every single thread you ever post after insulting him and try to turn it into another last word competition. Therefore it is widely believed that for your own sanity you should avoid continuing the discourse as soon as you spot the symptoms in the other person.

This concludes our lesson for today. :know:

I've been away and missed this place..... :arrgh!:

[MH]

Observe, dear students, closely this perfect case in point of what we have discussed in the theory classes for the last two weeks. This here is, as you may remember from the exam material, a perfect case in point of "last word syndrome............


:haha:

Yet you are completely unable to see anything anyway through your fog of blind nationalist rage.
The only bull apart from copious amounts from yourself was in changing the date of the attack on the Israeli patrol(northern road again) and saying that the Israeli media hadn't covered the politicians response to the incident.
I chose that particular incident from the many incidents the Israeli government signs off on as it shows two other of your lame attempts are completely false and also ties in nicely with some points Jimbuna raised.



Tribesman you are so stubborn and funny:03:
I'm speechless.
Now please remind me what is the point in what is written above?
Most incidents on the northern border are reported in the media but in Israel things may look different as what is sensational news and what is not.
Same with Gaza border and so on.

Kudos for all the effort of yours.:doh:
You work so hard to look like smart ass...you deserve some credit for the hard work i think.:D


Now remind me whats is your point here?
Is it that i don't follow news or something like that..... , therefore i am ignorant to the dire situation up the north , therefore im ignorant ...again.... or is it you try to prove that you know more about whats going on while using your great analytical skills while playing fantasy mr spook.

What is your issue here?


I told you before, when dealing with a zealot like you I only use Israeli sources so that it shows your crazy rants to be exactly what they are.
All the information is freely available

This thread is definitely a crazy rant but what is your point here as well?
I'm lost.....

Are we talking about iron dome or northern border?


I realy would like to help you here.:doh:

I like the national zealot thing lol....

This thread's purpose was to demonstrate that you are a little bit off ... and actually you have won the jackpot tribesman.
Normal person would never go through all this the way you did....but was sort of fun.

Who knows...maybe someday you will get accepted in the secret spooky club and you will learn the secret handshake as well.

[Oberon]

Ok, why is this thread still open? It's going nowhere and is serving purely for MH and Tribesman to throw insults at each other?

[Dowly]

For entertainment? :hmmm:

[Oberon]

I give up. I just give up.

[Jimbuna]

Ok, why is this thread still open? It's going nowhere and is serving purely for MH and Tribesman to throw insults at each other?

Rest assured the thread is being monitored and any clear breaches of the rules will be dealt with but currently there is nothing identifiable as being seriously over the top.

Entertainment wise?.....possibly to some plus the fact there have been no post reports.

Hopefully things will remain calm and common sense and civility will eventually prevail.

[Hottentot]

Ok, why is this thread still open? It's going nowhere and is serving purely for MH and Tribesman to throw insults at each other?

For entertainment? :hmmm:

I'm going with "for keeping them in one thread and not having them hunt each other down in other threads and thus have many threads where they throw insults at each other". Plus of course the educational value.

[u crank]

Observe, dear students, closely this perfect case in point of what we have discussed in the theory classes for the last two weeks. This here is, as you may remember from the exam material, a perfect case in point of "last word syndrome". Does anyone remember what the symptoms are?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=180368

:D

[MH]

Don't take it seriously.

When i got into this i new exactly what the outcome will be...i did it just to spend some time and chuckle while doing some job on my PC.

Sorry if caused any discomfort to anyone yet since it is internet it is also easy to ignore threads or people......if you wish.
Look at as research lol.

[Oberon]

Rest assured the thread is being monitored and any clear breaches of the rules will be dealt with but currently there is nothing identifiable as being seriously over the top.

Entertainment wise?.....possibly to some plus the fact there have been no post reports.

Hopefully things will remain calm and common sense and civility will eventually prevail.

I thought personal attacks were against the rules? Especially since two pages ago they were asked by two members of the moderator team to stop the name calling and yet both ignored it.

I'm just getting somewhat confused about what is acceptable and what is not anymore, I mean what swearwords are acceptable? Wank and Piss seem to be just fine and so does crap, but other words earn a caution from the moderators.

I think I need a break before I land up like Tak.

[Hottentot]

I think I need a break before I land up like Tak.

Be sure to at least check the General Games every once in a while in summer in case you take one. :03:

[Oberon]

Be sure to at least check the General Games every once in a while in summer in case you take one. :03:

Aye, I doubt I'll go completely, I'm too addicted to this place to do that, but I think it's probably best to step back from certain threads in GT for a bit. :yep:

[Sailor Steve]

I'm just getting somewhat confused about what is acceptable and what is not anymore, I mean what swearwords are acceptable? Wank and Piss seem to be just fine and so does crap, but other words earn a caution from the moderators.
My guideline is not what I consider good or bad, but what the auto-swear-bots allow. If it's censored by the site, then it's on "the list". There are words I would not use in normal talk that get right by the bots, so they are tolerated. I still remember when someone complained about Jim using "Bassum", and that's just getting around the language rules. Somebody else had to point out that "Bastard" is not a prohibited word, probably because it originates as a very legitimate word, it you'll pardon the pun.

If it was up to me we'd all talk like church deacons, except for the part where I don't use that kind of language in polite company, but if my computer messes with me? Look out!

I hope that helps explain it. If not, then #(&%@^^$*&#!*!!! :O:

[Hottentot]

Methinks it also depends on the situation to a certain extent (though I'm no mod, so not up to me to decide). I mean, I have used some pretty loose language in my AARs for humorous purposes every once in a while and no one has ever complained. Mind you, though, you'd be surprised to know how much I censor myself.

[MH]

Two car bombs explode in Turkish town near Syrian border, killing 40
Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu vows that Turkey would act against anyone attempting to bring 'external chaos' into his country; there was no immediate confirmation of Syrian involvement.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/two-car-bombs-explode-in-turkish-town-near-syrian-border-killing-40-1.523451

[Skybird]

The problem I have with the interpretation with the bombings in Turkey so far is that Assad has nothing to gain from doing like that, only to lose.

Let's wait, run silent and listen for a while.

Could be that it turns out that that the rebels are behind the car bombings, to provoke a NATO reaction from which they would benefit.

I also do not rule out that the Turkish MIT is behind it (their National Intelligence Organisation). Again, to provoke an intervention or blackmail NATO for support to Turkey. Erdoghan has a proven motive in that regard - he wants the intervention since long. He also has shown to be unscrupulous when it comes to provoking and manipulating, even getting his people killed in ordering these stunts. Turkish jets into Syria, Gaza flotilla - to name just the two most popular examples...

Before you think that is conspiration theory, get some information on the MIT's record and reputation. It's nobody you want to deal with, really. Also, I do not claim that it was the MIT for sure. I only say I do not rule it out until they are proven innocent, and that the Turkish side has a motive to give events such a dramatic twist.

[Gerald]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe/

[Jimbuna]

Checked on Google earth and the bombings are just over 400 miles from where I'll be....thankfully.

[MH]

Checked on Google earth and the bombings are just over 400 miles from where I'll be....thankfully.

Turekey is great place for vacation , have fun.

[Jimbuna]

Turekey is great place for vacation , have fun.

Never been despite trying to get the wife to go for years...then she met a few different sets of friends who told her where the not so commercialised areas were...the rest will soon be history.

[Skybird]

Fantastic news. :dead:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/world/middleeast/russia-provides-syria-with-advanced-missiles.html?hp&pagewanted=all&_r=0

Politics. Unscrupulous and stupid. :nope:

Israel will celebrate this.

S-300 still set to be delivered.

This sting in NATO's flank and Israel's front will hurt us long since after Assad is gone.

This delivery of missiles oversteps a line, imo, although Mr. Redline in the White House probably has much much longer and wordfull description for it. I also tend to think that it is essential to throw the Russians out there.

Therefore I start to think that although a ground intervention is out of question for me, at least a massive air campaign should be run - especially targetting those missiles, chemicals, and any assembly areas for the incoming transports of S-300.

This is not to help the fundamentalists. It is to prevent having to deal with fundamentalists with modern missiles in the future. Better a badly equipped fundamentalist Syrian regime in the future, than a well-armed fundamentalist regime in the future. - Those anti-ship-missile's range can cover half of the Israeli coast when stationed at southern Syria. Will also have an effect on attempts of the Israeli navy to intercept transports at sea that are suspicious.

[Skybird]

More great news. While the Russians have sent naval forces from the Black Sea to the Eastern Mediterranean and just conducted a major exercise, they now have started to shuttle in reinforcements from the pacific fleet as well. A dedicated ASW destroyer and two supply ships have just moored in Limassol, coming from the Pacific. At least two more Pacific fleet units are in transit to the Med.

[Jimbuna]

The Russians are obviously serious about protecting their ally but the acid test will be how serious the west is about aiding the rebels and bringing Assad to the negotiating table.

[Schroeder]

The Russians are obviously serious about protecting their ally but the acid test will be how serious the west is about aiding the rebels and bringing Assad to the negotiating table.
Do you really believe that this can still be solved at a table...? I don't.:nope:

[soopaman2]

I do not believe the Russians will even touch this, they have a Jewish population as well and a fair bit of it's own internal problems.

This will go down like Operation Opera, where even the complicit parties (France who built Osirak Reactors ) left it alone out of diplomacy (plus they already got paid)

Now that being said.

I am anti Israeli in most situations, we had no right "awarding" them that land after WW2, because it was taken from someone, something the pro zionists seem to forget.

But I am with them on this, you got the land, keep it, just do it on your own, not the UN, not the USA... Which Israel has proved, they are tough sons of guns.

Just be tough on someone elses taxpayer dollar. Like your own, or another country across from America, that actually brokered the deal.

(Nudges Britain....)

Your turn dude, it was kinda your idea...:up:

[CaptainHaplo]

The Russians are obviously serious about protecting their ally but the acid test will be how serious the west is about aiding the rebels and bringing Assad to the negotiating table.

No way should we aid the rebels. Did anyone happen to see the video of them executing Assad Loyalists? Oh yea - executed by a faction allied with AQ.....

Putting weapons in their hands will be creating our next Afghanistan.

Welcome to today's version of the Kobayashi Maru....

[soopaman2]

Welcome to today's version of the Kobayashi Maru....

But it is well known that Kirk cheated the program. Pissed Spock off to no end.

Will Kirk be a hero, or will he be kicked out of the federation for this?

[Jimbuna]

Do you really believe that this can stuill be solved at a table...? I don't.:nope:

Despite the spin put on it in the news over here I suspect your right.

[Jimbuna]

No way should we aid the rebels. Did anyone happen to see the video of them executing Assad Loyalists? Oh yea - executed by a faction allied with AQ.....

Putting weapons in their hands will be creating our next Afghanistan.

Welcome to today's version of the Kobayashi Maru....

Well history tells us one thing....we (the west) don't appear to have learned the lesson yet.

[Skybird]

bringing Assad to the negotiating table.
Did I miss something or did I just slip into an alternate reality...? :huh:

I cannot imagine currently that the rebels or the ordinary population will accept to negotiate with a mass murderer who has killed thousands and thousands of theirs.

The Jews in Russia, somebody mentioned. Well. Anti-Smeitism is going upwards in Russia as well, that is why many Jews fled and still flee to Israel. Russian Jews' voice are unlikely to change Putin's thought-results.

[soopaman2]

I was beyond Assad when I saw he was launching gas.

That is right about when Israel jumped in.

Didn't the US just send that crap for brains, murderer Assad some money?

I love and hate my country so much, I love the people, but hate the self serving government.

I bet someone is getting wealthy from this, always the case in perpetual war...

[Jimbuna]

I bet someone is getting wealthy from this, always the case in perpetual war...

You are most probably right but the question is who?

[MH]

Someone , somwhere is getting wealthy from about just anything.

[eddie]

You are most probably right but the question is who?

The Military Industrial Complex and morticians. Graveyards do excellant business too!

[Jimbuna]

The Military Industrial Complex and morticians. Graveyards do excellant business too!

Well it certainly isn't the JobCentre (UK governmental department for the unemployed).

[emmis]

You are most probably right but the question is who?

Ask Werner Sombart.

[TLAM Strike]

No way should we aid the rebels. Did anyone happen to see the video of them executing Assad Loyalists?
The one where the one rebel assures his passage to Sto-vo-kor by cutting out and eating the heart of an loyalist fighter? (http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2013/05/13/world/middleeast/13reuters-syria-crisis-mutilation.html?ref=world&_r=2&)

Yea wonderful people yearning for freedom. :roll:

[Agiel7]

Now with the new ASM and SAM systems being shipped to Syria, is there any doubt any more that on the off chance Assad comes out of this only a little bit worse for wear after the war is over that Syria will be utterly and completely in Russia's pocket? Here's hoping that that would mean Iran and Hezbollah would be bumped out of Syria's top spot for patronage.

[Skybird]

In case of Assad "winning", that doubt never existed, regarding Russia. And since it is politics and politics today know no scruples or moral standards, it could very well be that North Korea, Iran and Hezbollah sooner or later play the same role again like before.

However, I see a "Lebanonization" as the more likely outcome, with Assad-hostile factions of any kind winning over the next couple of years. Whether their rule is undisputed and free from ongoing conflict, is something different.

For Israel - they probably prefer to stay with Assad - he is the known and probably the lesser demon than a new fundamentalist regime to them.

[MH]

For Israel - they probably prefer to stay with Assad - he is the known and probably the lesser demon than a new fundamentalist regime to them.

Since the possibility of anything good coming out from this civil war is very dim then probably yes , that's true.
Although it is interesting to see how Hezbollah and Iran lose face and influence in this conflict.
It is not a good news for them as well.

It difficult to take sides in this mess.
Sadly that is ME in it finest form.

[Skybird]

Hezbollah is stronger in support than ever, and has been armed up stronger than before, in 2006. Iran is the most dominant foreign player in Syria and Lebanon. In Lebanon, nothing goes and moves without them or against their will.

Hezbollah is Iran, in a way. Internal political issues like not paying their public employees or financial shortages, does not really mean serious effect in this situational melange.

[emmis]

I am absolutely appalled at the continued unfounded demonizing of Iran. It has always been part of the western methodology of conquering. The nation being targeted must first be demonized, divided, then conquered. These tactics were used against the indigenous people of America, and in this post modern world against Cuba, the Palestinians, the Soviet Union, the Federation of Russia, China, North Korea, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now against Iran.

[MH]

Hezbollah is stronger in support than ever, and has been armed up stronger than before, in 2006. Iran is the most dominant foreign player in Syria and Lebanon. In Lebanon, nothing goes and moves without them or against their will.

Hezbollah is Iran, in a way. Internal political issues like not paying their public employees or financial shortages, does not really mean serious effect in this situational melange.

Hezbollah is strong and has vast military support from Iran but its credibility is not what is used to be.
With Assad gone there will be a time for accounting , they are not very popular with the Sunni guys right now...actually never had been but this civil war puts it on whole new level.

[Skybird]

Credibility? And I thought it was about power. For their credibility we can can do nothing to them. Not in good, not in bad. Nor can Israel.

@emmis,

nobody here demonises Iran, becasue we do not need to. We only need to take it for what it is. Iran does a pretty good job in demonising itself all by itself - as one of the most stone-aged, barbarian places on Earth nowadays. What there has been a millenium ago, and could have been "if only", does mean nothing nanymore. What it is today is what means troubles, gives us headaches and casts doom and fall, pain and suffering, hate and racism over others.

[MH]

Credibility? And I thought it was about power. For their credibility we can can do nothing to them. Not in good, not in bad. Nor can Israel.

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Yes it is about power but also the marketing issue has some value as well. For example the struggle with " the zionist entity" -Israel and image defenders of Lebanon is sort of common ground for some also in contrast for some Lebanese they seem like trouble makers that hold the country back and in ransom.
Now they look more devilish than devil itself all across middle east.
Hammas had less of a problem to switch sides as Palestinian/Sunni organisation , it took some time and they did take some heat for this as well.
Hezbollah is at the wrong side of the stick here...in this hamula war.

[Skybird]

Yes it is about power but also the marketing issue has some value as well. For example the struggle with " the zionist entity" -Israel and image defenders of Lebanon is sort of common ground for some also in contrast for some Lebanese they seem like trouble makers that hold the country back and in ransom.
Now they look more devilish than devil itself all across middle east.
How they look to others only plays a role when it creates a negative effect for them. I do not see this being the case, so their credibility seems to make little or no difference. Hezbollah is more powerful, militarily,m than the Lebanese army or any of the Lebenasde militias, all saides have tried to make their deals with Hezbollah to not get overrolled.

And the private man on the streets? Was forced by Hezbollah with weapons to not flee from bombed villages in 2006 and serve as human shields that hopefully wpould get killed, to prodce healdines that could be used against Israel's air force.

It seems to me Hezbollah's credibility does not play a role. What they depend on maybe is good relations with Teheran, since it is Teheran sending them money and weapons. As long as this is the case, Hezbollah must not care for it credibility in others' eyes.

[Skybird]

For three times now Israel has attacked targets in Syria this year to prevent the handing over of modern missiles from Syria to Hezbollah. It is reported now that Assad has ordered the most modern missiles he has to get readied for immediate launch against Tel Aviv in case the Israelis strike a fourth time.

I think this will not stop the Israelis if another delivery gets underway. But it heightens the risk of Israel getting drawn into this mess directly, although it wants and has claimed often to want to stay by the sidelines. It can live with Assad in power. What it cannot live with is modern missiles delivered to Hezbollah. Even a bastard like Assad should be able to understand that.

[MH]

How they look to others only plays a role when it creates a negative effect for them. I do not see this being the case, so their credibility seems to make little or no difference. Hezbollah is more powerful, militarily,m than the Lebanese army or any of the Lebenasde militias, all saides have tried to make their deals with Hezbollah to not get overrolled.

And the private man on the streets? Was forced by Hezbollah with weapons to not flee from bombed villages in 2006 and serve as human shields that hopefully wpould get killed, to prodce healdines that could be used against Israel's air force.

It seems to me Hezbollah's credibility does not play a role. What they depend on maybe is good relations with Teheran, since it is Teheran sending them money and weapons. As long as this is the case, Hezbollah must not care for it credibility in others' eyes.

Yes it should ... just as in Syria things reached boiling point same thing may happen here as soon as they find themselves without Assad next door.
A sign of weakness in this whole deal.
They know it and Iranians know it.

[emmis]

I am absolutely appalled at the continued unfounded demonizing of Iran. It has always been part of the western methodology of conquering. The nation being targeted must first be demonized, divided, then conquered. These tactics were used against the indigenous people of America, and in this post modern world against Cuba, the Palestinians, the Soviet Union, the Federation of Russia, China, North Korea, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now against Iran.

@emmis,

nobody here demonises Iran, becasue we do not need to. We only need to take it for what it is. Iran does a pretty good job in demonising itself all by itself - as one of the most stone-aged, barbarian places on Earth nowadays. What there has been a millenium ago, and could have been if only, does mean nothing nanymore. What it is today is what means troubles, gives us headaches and casts doom and fall, pain and suffering, hate and racism over others.
Hello, Z kommando.

Well I'll leave you alone with your hasbara, but you'll not get the attention of much people, these days everyone's using the (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/22/294819/iran-narms-fantasy-us-pretext-for-war/) same (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/19/304233/usa-becoming-militarized-gulag-society/) weapon (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/02/301364/stupidities-of-us-government-about-iran/), and now it is only a matter of time until all countries realize where truth lies, after all.

It's about time the US stop taking up arms (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/29/300907/zionist-media-sway-us-foreign-policy/) to defend another country acting like a frightened virgin while it's the one spreading political instability around (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/07/302345/zionists-seek-clash-of-civilizations/).
I'll let you stick with what you're doing in here, just be aware some people are awaking from this nightmare scenario. You've been caught orchestrating world war, time to find other scenarios for your warmongering propaganda.

[Tribesman]

Wow Press TV, quick call zeewolf, he has a friend:rotfl2:

[Penguin]

walks into thread
accuses another member of being a paid state propagandist
uses solely state propaganda sources

Bravo!

http://www.mematic.com/_/gifs/applause/applause-gif-3.gif

[Gerald]

Increased tensions.

(Reuters) - Syria said its troops destroyed an Israeli vehicle that crossed into its territory from the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights on Tuesday and warned that any attempt to violate its sovereignty would meet "immediate and firm retaliation".

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/21/us-syria-crisis-golan-idUSBRE94K0U020130521

Note: Update record Tue May 21, 2013 12:09pm EDT

[Jimbuna]

No comment, simply an update from another source = not too much really :hmmm:

[Skybird]

It seems Hezbollah pulls Lebanon into the war.

It also seems that Assad has switched to changed tactics - which are unfortunately very successful. First roll over the place to be reconquered with a massive artillery barrage and massive air bombings to destroy it and with it most shelters and bunkers, then send in not regular line troops but militia-like organised forces to clean up the rest.

That bloody bastard is learning.

[Gerald]

No comment, simply an update from another source = not too much really :hmmm: I make this in my update: Increased tensions :03:

[Jimbuna]

Yeah, missed that...sorry old chap.