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Jimbuna
04-28-13, 07:02 AM
My father was on a merchant vessel nearby when this tragic event took place.

~SALUTE~


A service is being held later to remember hundreds of US servicemen who died off the coast of Devon during a World War II training exercise.
The event will mark the anniversary of Exercise Tiger at Slapton Sands on 28 April 1944.
A total of 749 servicemen died when convoys training for the D-Day landings were attacked by German torpedo boats.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-22280461

nikimcbee
04-28-13, 09:18 AM
Sounds pretty interesting:hmmm:. I'm not very familiar with schnellboot operations. Need to read up on it.

Kptlt. Neuerburg
04-28-13, 09:37 AM
There was an episode of Foyle's War made around what had happened at Slapton Sands. ~SALUTE~ To those poor souls.:salute:

BossMark
04-28-13, 10:10 AM
I remember my dear Granddad telling me this, as at the time I was studying WW2 history for my GCSE

nikimcbee
04-28-13, 10:34 AM
:o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger

Friendly fire incident
The first practice assault took place on the morning of 27 April[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-8) and was marred by an incident involving friendly fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire). H-hour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-hour) was set for 7:30 am, and was to be preceded by a live firing exercise to acclimatize the troops to the sights, sounds and even smells of a naval bombardment. During the landing itself, live rounds were to be fired over the heads of the incoming troops by forces on land, for the same reason. This followed an order made by General Dwight D. Eisenhower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower), the Supreme Allied Commander, who felt that the men must be hardened by exposure to real battle conditions.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-Small-1) The British heavy cruiser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_cruiser) HMS Hawkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hawkins_(D86)) was to shell the beach with live ammunition, from H-60 to H-30 (i.e. 6:30 to 7:00 am) giving the beachmasters half an hour to inspect the beach and declare it safe. Several of the landing ships for that morning were delayed, and the officer in charge decided to delay H-hour for 60 minutes, until 8:30. This message was received by Hawkins, but not by a number of the landing craft, with the result that troops were landing on the beach at the same time as the bombardment was taking place. British Marines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Marines) on one vessel[clarification needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify)] recorded in its log book (the only log which has since been recovered from any of the boats) that men were being killed by friendly fire. "On the beaches they had a white tape line beyond which the Americans should not cross until the live firing had finished." But the American soldiers said they were going straight through the white tape line and getting blown up.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-Small-1)



On the day after the first practice assaults, early on the morning of 28 April, the exercise was blighted when a convoy of follow-up troops was attacked by nine German E-boats in Lyme Bay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_Bay).
Of the two ships assigned to protect the convoy, only one was present. HMS Azalea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Azalea_(K25)), a corvette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette) was leading the nine LSTs in a straight line, a formation which later drew criticism since it presented an easy target to the E-boats. The second ship which was supposed to be present, HMS Scimitar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Scimitar), a World War I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I) destroyer, had been in collision with an LST, suffered structural damage and left the convoy to be repaired at Plymouth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-9) Because the LSTs and British naval headquarters were operating on different frequencies, the American forces did not know this.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-Small-1)
When other British ships sighted the E-boats earlier in the night[clarification needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify)] and told the corvette, its commander failed to inform the LST convoy, assuming incorrectly that they had already been told. British shore batteries defending Salcombe Harbour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salcombe_Harbour) had seen silhouettes of the E-boats but had been instructed to hold fire so the Germans would not find that Salcombe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salcombe) was defended.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-Small-1)
The E-boats left Cherbourg on patrol the previous evening and did not encounter the Allied patrol lines either off Cherbourg or in the Channel[clarification needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify)]. They spotted the convoy (convoy "T-4"), eight LSTs carrying vehicles and combat engineers of the 1st Engineer Special Brigade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer_Special_Brigade#1st_Engineer_Special_Brig ade) with a single corvette as escort, and then attacked.[nb 1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-10)
One transport (LST-507 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_LST-507)) caught fire and was abandoned. LST-531 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USS_LST-531&action=edit&redlink=1) sank shortly after being torpedoed while LST-289 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USS_LST-289&action=edit&redlink=1) was set on fire but eventually made it back to shore.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-11) LST-511 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_LST-511) was damaged by friendly fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire). The remaining ships and their escort fired back and the E-boats made no more attacks. 638 servicemen were killed:[nb 2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-12) 441 United States Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army) and 197 United States Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy) personnel.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-Small-1) Many servicemen drowned in the cold sea while waiting to be rescued. Soldiers unused to being at sea panicked and put on their lifebelts incorrectly. In some cases this meant that when they jumped into the water, the weight of their combat packs flipped them onto their backs, pushing their heads underwater and drowning them. Dale Rodman, who travelled on LST-507, commented "The worst memory I have is setting off in the lifeboat away from the sinking ship and watching bodies float by."[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#cite_note-stokes-6)

nikimcbee
04-28-13, 10:39 AM
Just found this regarding the S-boats:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=66107

Bilge_Rat
04-28-13, 11:21 AM
The incident was classified and kept secret for a long time which is why it is not widely known.

There was a whole other war being fought in early 44 between german E boats and the allies in the channel. The HMCS Athabaskan, a destroyer, was also torpedoed and sunk by a E boat on april 29 in another night battle.

nikimcbee
04-28-13, 11:57 AM
The incident was classified and kept secret for a long time which is why it is not widely known.

There was a whole other war being fought in early 44 between german E boats and the allies in the channel. The HMCS Athabaskan, a destroyer, was also torpedoed and sunk by a E boat on april 29 in another night battle.

No wonder it was classified for all these years. The whole thing sounds like a cluster-fubar.:dead:
Atleast they figured out this stuff before D-Day. Just think of the havoc this could have caused if it happened the day of!:o

....But the defense/security was a wee bit higher on June 6.44

Catfish
04-28-13, 02:04 PM
Thanks for posting, Jim.
First time i read about this, though i know of several night missions of the Schnellboot-Flotillen. There were a lot of missions in the channel from both sides, also lots of secret commandos.

Thanks and greetings,
Catfish

Schroeder
04-28-13, 02:32 PM
Thanks for the post. I had never heard of it before.:o

Jimbuna
04-28-13, 04:17 PM
I remember my father telling me when I was a teenager about his experience....his ship heard the gunfire but saw nothing and were immediately recalled back into port.

Whilst very few knew what had happened he said the look on the faces of army and naval personnel ashore suggested a great tragedy had occurred.

Mork_417
04-30-13, 04:48 AM
:salute:



Interesting reading.

eddie
04-30-13, 11:19 AM
Thanks for the link Jim!

Just read about 617 Squadron. These E-Boats would continue to hassle Allied shipping in the Channel after D-Day. So Bomber Command decided to take action. They had discovered that these E-Boats would use Sub Pens to hide out in during the day, so on June 14th, 1944 617 Squadron hit the sub pens at Le Harve with Tallboys,destroying part of the pens, but took out a lot of these pesky boats at the same time.

Jimbuna
04-30-13, 11:22 AM
That indeed they did...the same bomb used to sink the Tirpitz.

nikimcbee
04-30-13, 11:55 PM
Just found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkgtxwWa4Q4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZlh_fKGrqw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSQTg7h1zx4

newsstory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi440Qwaxqs