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Gerald

04-24-13, 02:11 PM

Always happens unfortunately the unpredictable.

(Reuters) - Five people were slain early on Wednesday in Manchester, Illinois, and a suspect died after a shootout with police, Illinois State Police said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/24/us-usa-shooting-illinois-idUSBRE93N0UT20130424

Note: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:29pm EDT

Red October1984

04-24-13, 05:00 PM

Illinois....

Enough said...

People from Southern Illinois can't drive worth crap... You can't shoot deer with centerfire rifles.... Chicago is the most dangerous city BECAUSE of gun laws.... Doesn't surprise me that there was a shooting.

Obama came from Illinois....

Ugh...

If it weren't for the cool museums in Chicago, I would have no desire to ever go to Illinois. I live about 40 minutes to the Southern Illinois border with Missouri. It's a complete wasteland over there. The only think I like about Southern Illinois is their mysterious city limit signs... Ware, Illinois looks like Children of the Corn... There's one word on their city limit sign and nothing else...

Just reads....

WARE

And that's it... :dead: :har:

Now, I have met some nice people from Illinois...but I'm a Missouri guy at heart. I won't ever be able to live anywhere else when I'm old. I'll have to come back here to the Ozarks...

Cybermat47

04-24-13, 06:11 PM

Obama came from Illinois....

Ugh...

And what exactly does that have to do with this? :hmmm:

Tchocky

04-24-13, 06:14 PM

Red October1984

04-24-13, 06:21 PM

And what exactly does that have to do with this? :hmmm:

Obama is pro gun control

His "home state" has the most dangerous city in America because of that control. Plus...it just gives a bad representation of Illinois residents... Southern Illinois could break off and become it's own state from the way I see it. They're different from Northern Illinois Residents. (Illinoians? How would I say that? Illinoisians?) I just generally don't like Illinois laws and government. :nope: The whole thing about how Southern Illinois people can't drive is a big joke to Southeast Missourians. Go ask somebody in Cape Girardeau and they'll tell you that people from Illinois can't drive. :smug:

I'll gladly accept information from other points of view...but from my experience...I don't like Illinois at all. :doh:

Cybermat47

04-24-13, 06:24 PM

Obama is pro gun control

His "home state" has the most dangerous city in America because of that control. Plus...it just gives a bad representation of Illinois residents...

The 43rd President of the United States came from Illinois, and that gives them a bad representation?

TLAM Strike

04-24-13, 06:52 PM

Obama came from Illinois....

The 43rd President of the United States came from Illinois,

I take it that no one could decide if he was really from Hawaii or Kenya so they met in the middle and settled on Illinois? :hmmm:

August

04-24-13, 06:54 PM

I take it that no one could decide if he was really from Hawaii or Kenya so they met in the middle and settled on Illinois? :hmmm:

Well at one time he was officially referred to as "The Senator from Illinois". :yep:

TLAM Strike

04-24-13, 06:59 PM

Well at one time he was officially referred to as "The Senator from Illinois". :yep:
Which is how you refer to a representative from a specific state. However he is no longer a representative of that state.

Sailor Steve

04-24-13, 07:02 PM

Illinois....

Enough said...
A huge tirade about Illinois, and not one word about the topic?

The 43rd President of the United States came from Illinois, and that gives them a bad representation?
I never knew George W. Bush was from Illinois. I always thought he was from Texas.

The 44th president, on the other hand...

August

04-24-13, 07:34 PM

Which is how you refer to a representative from a specific state. However he is no longer a representative of that state.

Just because he left the office doesn't mean he changed his home state. Harry Truman for example didn't stop being a Missourian because he became president and he went back to his home state afterwards as do most Presidents.

The telling point is where Obama will build his presidential library. While Honolulu is in the running it's increasingly looking like it'll be in Chicago.

Stealhead

04-24-13, 08:36 PM

Just because he left the office doesn't mean he changed his home state. Harry Truman for example didn't stop being a Missourian because he became president and he went back to his home state afterwards as do most Presidents.

The telling point is where Obama will build his presidential library. While Honolulu is in the running it's increasingly looking like it'll be in Chicago.

Not every person that has been president builds their library in their home state.George W Bush for example was born in New Haven, Connecticut yet his library is in Texas and he never performed any legislative role in Connecticut.

It seems logical to build your library in the state that you cut your political teeth in.For leaders of yore that would almost always be the state they where born in.

For anyone born from 1930 onwards it is increasingly likely that they will have lived in several sates and would have "loyalty" to the state in which they developed professionally and then later gained legislative office in.For without that initial base of supporters you will never gain the oval office regardless of the political party.

You are groomed to become president regardless of party.

The only modern exception are Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter and that is not because they where democrats because I can think of several republican presidents whose libraries are not located in their birth state. Eisenhower for example his library is not in Texas his birth state.Nor is George H.W. Bush library.

Like I said most every library is in the state in which that president cut his political teeth in for obvious political reasons they do this.Obama was only born in Hawaii so it makes very little sense for him to choose that state for his library location.Obama could care less I suspect about those who question his origins and no president has ever been concerned about disproving naysayers with the location of their respective libraries they in fact choose the most like minded location.

Cybermat47

04-24-13, 08:38 PM

The 44th president, on the other hand...

Doesn't exist yet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA8qT5PzSS4

August

04-24-13, 08:50 PM

Not every person that has been president builds their library in their home state.George W Bush for example was born in New Haven, Connecticut yet his library is in Texas and he never performed any legislative role in Connecticut.

It seems logical to build your library in the state that you cut your political teeth in.For leaders of yore that would almost always be the state they where born in.

For anyone born from 1930 onwards it is increasingly likely that they will have lived in several sates and would have "loyalty" to the state in which they developed professionally and then later gained legislative office in.For without that initial base of supporters you will never gain the oval office regardless of the political party.

You are groomed to become president regardless of party.

The only modern exception are Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter and that is not because they where democrats because I can think of several republican presidents whose libraries are not located in their birth state. Eisenhower for example his library is not in Texas his birth state.Nor is George H.W. Bush library.

Like I said most every library is in the state in which that president cut his political teeth in for obvious political reasons they do this.Obama was only born in Hawaii so it makes very little sense for him to choose that state for his library location.Obama could care less I suspect about those who question his origins and no president has ever been concerned about disproving naysayers with the location of their respect they in fact choose the most like minded location.

You have a definite point about split loyalties but I think we have a different definition of home state. To me it means the state you choose as your home of record. The state you get your drivers license from. The state you claim on your income taxes. That's your home state. I'm pretty sure Obama lists Chicago Ill as his home of record.

Red October1984

04-24-13, 08:52 PM

A huge tirade about Illinois, and not one word about the topic?

A small part of the tirade was about Illinois Gun Legislation...The rest was Illinois from a Southeast Missourian's point of view. :timeout:

Stealhead

04-24-13, 09:03 PM

You have a definite point about split loyalties but I think we have a different definition of home state. To me it means the state you choose as your home of record. The state you get your drivers license from. The state you claim on your income taxes. That's your home state. I'm pretty sure Obama lists Chicago Ill as his home of record.

Oh yes in that case he certainly does having resided there for some time.That does make me wonder does the President(any) follow the residency laws of D.C. or are they excluded like people in the military are when stationed away.

For example in Florida you must live here one full year yet you are supposed to change your vehicle registration and your license within 10 days. They want that revenue though this states income comes from all the tourists and sales taxes that they pay that works out when you millions of tourists per year. Only in the most wealthy areas are property values not lowered which I think is a questionable practice in all honesty I can understand homestead laws but in Florida we have those and under appraised values though I suspect the latter is common in many states.

A little off topic but perhaps not in the grand scheme of bureaucracies.

Stealhead

04-24-13, 09:10 PM

A small part of the tirade was about Illinois Gun Legislation...The rest was Illinois from a Southeast Missourian's point of view. :timeout:

So it was you that started the Great Chicago Fire back in 1871.:hmm2:

You know the real reason they call it the "Windy City"? All the flatulence generated by its leftist pinko commie vegans.They non aggressively fart towards Missouri in the hopes the peacefully indroduced fragrant flatus will entice you to join their cause.Many Leftists are also very skilled Flatulits.

Red October1984

04-24-13, 09:14 PM

So it was you that started the Great Chicago Fire back in 1871.:hmm2:

You know the real reason they call it the "Windy City"? All the flatulence generated by its leftist pinko commie vegans.

:rotfl2: :rotfl2:

Wait?! Does Stealhead actually agree with what I'm saying? :har:

Stealhead

04-24-13, 09:30 PM

:rotfl2: :rotfl2:

Wait?! Does Stealhead actually agree with what I'm saying? :har:

Personally I do not have any political leaning there are aspects about all political stripes that I find annoying at the same time I find the idea of anarchy to fairly ridiculous.Honestly I think that nations exist in spite of not because of governments which in most cases are comprised of two large opposing parties whom usually cause more harm than good even though they both think that they have the best interests of everyone in mind.Thomas Jefferson once said that a mini revolution should occur every 20 years I think if he where around today he would change that to every four years.

I am a fairly masterful flatualtor though I am not a vegan I do find that Brussel sprouts and Zucchini are the most effective flatus generators.

Sailor Steve

04-24-13, 10:05 PM

Doesn't exist yet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA8qT5PzSS4
They are silly, and they are wrong. The gap does indeed count, for the simple reason that Cleveland also came after Harrison, who was 23rd, therefore he had to be 24th. Barack Obama is the 44th President of the United States.

Sailor Steve

04-24-13, 10:06 PM

A small part of the tirade was about Illinois Gun Legislation...
And what did gun legislation have to do with the posted article?

Red October1984

04-24-13, 10:09 PM

And what did gun legislation have to do with the posted article?

There was a shooting...

Sailor Steve

04-24-13, 10:10 PM

There was a shooting...
So you decided to try to turn another tragedy into another gun-control thread? :hmmm:

Red October1984

04-24-13, 10:31 PM

So you decided to try to turn another tragedy into another gun-control thread? :hmmm:

Well sorry then. I don't see how complaining about it now makes it any better. It is what it is at this point.

I'm glad that they got the guy who did this. I'm sick of hearing of shootings. Nobody ever reports the self-defense stories. Our Media is so biased. :nope:

Tribesman

04-25-13, 01:46 AM

I'm sick of hearing of shootings.
Then don't listen.

Nobody ever reports the self-defense stories.
Perhaps you should listen more.

Our Media is so biased. :nope:
You know that cry makes no real .sense

Herr-Berbunch

04-25-13, 02:05 AM

Cybermat47

04-25-13, 02:25 AM

They are silly, and they are wrong. The gap does indeed count, for the simple reason that Cleveland also came after Harrison, who was 23rd, therefore he had to be 24th. Barack Obama is the 44th President of the United States.

So if you didn't held office for two non-consecutive terms, you count as two POTUSes. That doesn't make any sense... but it simultaneously does make sense...

Give me a minute, my head hurts...

Jimbuna

04-25-13, 05:43 AM

I'm hoping we can all stay OT....even here in GT.

TIA

Red October1984

04-25-13, 07:23 AM

Wow, Red! Way to go with screwing a thread with reply number one. Politics and gun control and absolutely nothing to do with the topic in hand, which is the loss of five people - no doubt they had friends and families, maybe even just like yours but they're a lesser people because they don't come from your state. Could a shooting not happen in your state?

I'm disappointed with all in this thread, but particularly the derailing post.

Keep up with these topics (and the constant anti-commie rhetoric) and you'll wind up like certain other members with constant single issue postings, and that can't be a good thing.

Okay guys...I apologize for derailing yet another thread.

All I said is that Southern Illinois people can't drive. That's a common joke from where I live. I don't know exactly where in Illinois this town is but I don't mean to say that they are lesser human beings. I've stated that I have met some nice people from over the river there... I don't like the State government and I don't like their laws. I don't mean to say that their people aren't worth it at all. Yes, shootings are horrible horrible things that shouldn't happen. We should do our best to prevent them. I feel that there have been so many shootings that everybody's getting worn out on the topic.

I'll try to do better in the future. I've said before that I don't think before I post very well. :yep:

Herr-Berbunch

04-25-13, 07:47 AM

Thanks Red, appreciated. You're usually quite good. :03:

Back on topic now then.

Sailor Steve

04-25-13, 09:29 AM

Well sorry then.
Well, I was going to let you off the hook at this point and tell you I was only teasing, but...

I don't see how complaining about it now makes it any better. It is what it is at this point.
Five demerits for making excuses. :O:

Red October1984

04-25-13, 09:34 PM

Well, I was going to let you off the hook at this point and tell you I was only teasing, but...

Steve, you get me every time. I can sometimes never tell if your serious or joking... :shifty:

Here you had me feeling guilty over derailing another thread... :oops:

AVGWarhawk

04-25-13, 09:53 PM

Well at one time he was officially referred to as "The Senator from Illinois". :yep:

Jr. Senator at that.

geetrue

04-25-13, 10:07 PM

I will vote for any thread of the year that doesn't have the Obama word in it ... :yep:

my God I tried to spell it with a little "o" and the spell checker kicked in and made it a big "O"

I repeat I will vote for any thread of the year that doesn't have the "O" word in it :D

Sailor Steve

04-25-13, 10:16 PM

Steve, you get me every time. I can sometimes never tell if your serious or joking... :shifty:
You're not alone. I have people who manage to do the same to me.

Here you had me feeling guilty over derailing another thread... :oops:
Well you did and you should, but only a little, and you're not alone there either. We've all done the same at one point or another. :sunny: