Are we living in a Matrix?

[mapuc]

According to this article it could very well be so

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/12/physicists-universe-simulation-test-university-of-washington-matrix_n_2282745.html


My opinion!?

I really don't know if I shall believe this or not. My brain says shut the page down and laugh at it.

Markus

[Stealhead]

According to this article it could very well be so

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/12/physicists-universe-simulation-test-university-of-washington-matrix_n_2282745.html


My opinion!?

I really don't know if I shall believe this or not. My brain says shut the page down and laugh at it.

Markus


Indeed, it sounds like a complete waste of time for starters if such a thing where true what ever made such a complex simulation would clearly be so complex we would not be able to possibly figure it out.
Though just thinking about it it seems highly illogical.To what end would an entire simulated universe serve?


My favorite theory is this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

[Buddahaid]

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4888464032270392&pid=15.1

[Stealhead]

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4888464032270392&pid=15.1

If that theory is true then God is a simulation also.

The bigger question would be... if everything is a simulation are we then not truly alive?Or does thinking that you are alive enough?

Am I really typing or did I just simulate typing?:hmmm:


At any rate a new speeding excuse
Officer: Do you know why i pulled you over today sir?

Driver: I am sorry officer I happen to be a simulation that exceeds the simulated speed limit breaking a simulated law.

Officer: That is interesting because I am going to simulate arresting you and taking you to a simulated jail.

Driver: I did not plan on that this simulator is very disappointing now I will have request my simulated phone call.

[Skybird]

Indeed, it sounds like a complete waste of time for starters if such a thing where true what ever made such a complex simulation would clearly be so complex we would not be able to possibly figure it out.
Though just thinking about it it seems highly illogical.To what end would an entire simulated universe serve?

The same somebody plays Sim City for. It's fun.

It makes little sense to evaluate the plausability of the idea by standards that only illustrate the current and imaginable limits of human technology. Because human technology may run by rules valid in the universe. That does not mean in principle and for all time to come that they allow humans to assume that their technological skill defines the borders and shapes of the universe. We always only perceive a small part of the universe, reality, space-time-continuum - however you call it. Even our our ideas are right - we can never know to what degree our knowledge pool represents ALL of the universe, whether our knowledge covers a small or a huge - not to mention: ALL - of the universe.

All we know, when we can prove our theories right, is that for the time being the course we have set through the dark void is working for us, has not lead us into shallow waters, and not made us colliding at a cliff. We cannot know whether there are better, safer, more comfortable or shorter courses. We do not know where the course is leading. We do not know how much of the total length we can cover by setting this course, and not another one.

Uncertainty is a characteristic of life, isn't it. For some people, that is a very mind-troubling, frightening perspective. It explains many of man's follies and superstitions.

From eros to cosmos, from cosmos to logos, from logos to eros. From creative love to matter, from matter to mind, from mind to creative love. Eros, Kosmos, Logos is the German Title of Ken Wilber's main work, "Sex, Ecology, Spirituality". The English title is misleading and gives misleading connotations, Sex and Esoteric and all that. The German title is much better, almost perfect.

[Oberon]

Yes we are, here's the proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=loinY8MmVq8

[Stealhead]

The same somebody plays Sim City for. It's fun.

It makes little sense to evaluate the plausability of the idea by standards that only illustrate the current and imaginable limits of human technology. Because human technology may run by rules valid in the universe. That does not mean in principle and for all time to come that they allow humans to assume that their technological skill defines the borders and shapes of the universe. We always only perceive a small part of the universe, reality, space-time-continuum - however you call it. Even our our ideas are right - we can never know to what degree our knowledge pool represents ALL of the universe, whether our knowledge covers a small or a huge - not to mention: ALL - of the universe.

All we know, when we can prove our theories right, is that for the time being the course we have set through the dark void is working for us, has not lead us into shallow waters, and not made us colliding at a cliff. We cannot know whether there are better, safer, more comfortable or shorter courses. We do not know where the course is leading. We do not know how much of the total length we can cover by setting this course, and not another one.

Uncertainty is a characteristic of life, isn't it. For some people, that is a very mind-troubling, frightening perspective. It explains many of man's follies and superstitions.

Surely whomever created such a complex simulation (an entire universe) perhaps it could be a way to design beings.If you wanted to test an idea what better way than place it in a complex simulation if they (collectively) are able to discover and then crack this simulation to reveal the true universe that would prove extensive intelligence because there could be more than one layer of simulated universe.Of course different things could develop to the end result in different ways.

Much more sandbox than "The Sims". Of course in the Sims things are fairly controlled in complex simulated universe everything else could be a simulation and only the "living" things real and not being controlled directly except for the controls of the simulated physics of course.

[Méo]

Makes me think of that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKOXpI7ILTU

:)

[JU_88]

Heard of it before, for me its right up there with creationism and the theory of relativity and all the rest....
I am told that I live on a ball of minerals which obits a larger ball of burning hydrogen - within an vast radioactive vacum...
Now, Im not even going to try and pretend that I can really understand what the hell that is all about.
And Im not too quick to place complete faith in someone who claims it can be explained by the Diary of some 2000+ year old dead guys, or some horribly complicated mathmatical equasions, or the plot of a rather cheesey Sci-fi movie.
In reality we have little to no proof of anything.

So Im quite happy to live the rest of life excepting and admiting the fact that I dont have a bloody clue, and I probably never will, unless there is some form of supernatural/spiritual afterlife which might offer me some enlightenment before Im sent to eternally burn or shipped to some rural utopia in the clouds where they will force me to stroke lions and wear some slightly tastless catalouge clothing, (but all that is looking rather doubtful from where Im standing).
I hope Islam isnt the right one, it would be really anoying to be thrown in to a fire just because I ate a sausage and didnt insist my wife dress as a ninja :P.

[mookiemookie]

If you realize that you're a figment in a simulation and you retain that identity without zero summing (realizing you exist and don't exist at the same time and winking yourself out of existance, i.e. -1 + 1 = 0) can you eventually reach the point where you can alter your reality at will?

It's the basis of the theory of CHIM in the Elder Scrolls games.

[Armistead]

If I'm a figment of my imagination, someone let me know.

[frau kaleun]

If you realize that you're a figment in a simulation and you retain that identity without zero summing (realizing you exist and don't exist at the same time and winking yourself out of existance, i.e. -1 + 1 = 0) can you eventually reach the point where you can alter your reality at will?

It's the basis of the theory of CHIM in the Elder Scrolls games.

For any individual, the only "reality" that exists is that individual's subjective perception of it. Whether or not it exists independently of one's own perception of it is another question, and one that may be impossible to answer.

That said - if you alter your perception of reality, you have for all practical purposes altered reality itself. This is the basic truth behind the Zen principle that when you attain enlightenment, all of creation is simultaneously enlightened. What has changed? You have, but nothing else is required.

[Skybird]

I am, therefor I think.

:)

[JU_88]

I am, therefor I think.

:)

Thats possibly the shortest post ive ever seen from you SB :O:

[mapuc]

You do not exist irl. you are all a part of my imagination

If this should be true, that we live in a computer generated matrix, then I hope that the main power supply doesn't get a black-out

Have read it once again and for me it seems like someone have seen the Matrix trilogy to many times

Markus

[Skybird]

Thats possibly the shortest post ive ever seen from you SB :O:

By remaining unspecific on what I think, I somehow embrace all potential of what is, has been, could ever be.

No words needed, therefor. :D

[Armistead]

So it's possible I've created Subsim in my mind and all the characters here are the inner conflicts of my imagination fighting one another.

Is it possible we only exist inside the dream of some advanced life form?

[nikimcbee]

After this week, I'd say we live in a nuthouse, not a matrix.:up:

[Sailor Steve]

After this week, I'd say we live in a nuthouse, not a matrix.:up:
What's special about this week?

[Jimbuna]

After this week, I'd say we live in a nuthouse, not a matrix.:up:

It's sure to be one that will be remembered for the saddest of reasons.

[Stealhead]

It's sure to be one that will be remembered for the saddest of reasons.


Well make your day brighter and think of how many children where born this week that was good for at least that family.

[Wolferz]

You take the blue pill and you wake up in your bed like nothing ever happened.
You take the red pill and you find out how deep the rabbit hole goes.

The blue pill and its opposite, the red pill, are pop culture symbols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol) representing the choice between the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue) and embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality (red).

Which one do you swallow?:hmmm:

[Oberon]

I think most people would prefer blues and purples... :03:

[frau kaleun]

Red pill, blue pill... just don't take the brown acid, man. :timeout:

[TarJak]

Take both blue and red and see what happens.:woot:

[mapuc]

Take both blue and red and see what happens.:woot:


You will wake up in your bed, in a very deep rabbit hole


Markus

[JU_88]

I knew there was no spoon all along.

[Sailor Steve]

I certainly hope I'm not living in my own dream. I'd like to think I could come up with a better dream than the one I have.

[Cybermat47]

If this is true, then God is an overweight guy constantly at his computer, and Jesus is his avatar.

[Jimbuna]

If this is true, then God is an overweight guy constantly at his computer, and Jesus is his avatar.

Pictures or it isn't so.

[Platapus]

It depresses me to think of all the tax money being spent on this. :nope:

[WernherVonTrapp]

I think we are living in a Matrix, of a sort.:yep:

[Wolferz]

Red pill, blue pill... just don't take the brown acid, man. :timeout:

Too late...:sunny:

[Wolferz]

Take both blue and red and see what happens.:woot:

Together they would cancel each other out, literally un-creating you.

That would be bad.:hmmm:
You don't want to end up in a white tiled train station.

[Armistead]

Together they would cancel each other out, literally un-creating you.

That would be bad.:hmmm:
You don't want to end up in a white tiled train station.

I don't believe it. I don't think it's possible in the darkest corners of my imagination that I could create you.

[Wolferz]

I don't believe it. I don't think it's possible in the darkest corners of my imagination that I could create you.

It's not impossible. Implausible perhaps, but not impossible.:hmm2::rotfl2: