The Saudi Arabia court system

[eddie]

I'm never surprised by what I read that has to do with Saudi Arabia, but this is over the top! Could you be the one to carry out the sentence?
I couldn't, but on another level, if this guy had done this to someone in my family, the rage within me probably could. All depends on the circumstances, but why don't they just lock him up and throw away the key?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/04/17601030-saudi-court-orders-man-to-be-paralyzed-as-an-islamic-punishment?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=5

[TLAM Strike]

but why don't they just lock him up and throw away the key? Because their belief system commands them otherwise.

Quran 5:33
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;They believe the Quran to be the word of god delivered via their prophet, and they should live their life according to it.

:nope:

[Skybird]

I'm never surprised by what I read that has to do with Saudi Arabia, but this is over the top! Could you be the one to carry out the sentence?
I couldn't, but on another level, if this guy had done this to someone in my family, the rage within me probably could. All depends on the circumstances, but why don't they just lock him up and throw away the key?

Islam. Sharia. What else to say.

[Tribesman]

Islam. Sharia. What else to say.
Errrrrr....Saudi version of wahhibi interpretation of Sharia.

But I know you don't like details and to you only the wahhibis are real muslims.:yep:

[HundertzehnGustav]

i mean, our Quran teaches us to turn the other cheek, to not kill...
yet we kill as punishment and keep bickering.
i would say:

Religion.

[Synthfg]

, but why don't they just lock him up and throw away the key?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/04/17601030-saudi-court-orders-man-to-be-paralyzed-as-an-islamic-punishment?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=5
He was 14 at the time
You don't believe that 10 years in a Saudi jail is punishment enough for a kid stabbing another kid (remember we are talking GBH here, not murder)

[Feuer Frei!]

i mean, our Quran teaches us to turn the other cheek, to not kill...
Ours? Or theirs?
yet we kill as punishment and keep bickering.
A trait of ours. Or genes. Killer genes.
i would say:

Religion.
I would say:

People.

To blame it on religion is a cop-out.
Same diatribe every time. When a person of faith, ok, a religious person kills or does wrong we blame religion for it? How? Why?
Is it religion that kills people?
We all know the answer to that one.

[Feuer Frei!]

Errrrrr....Saudi version of wahhibi interpretation of Sharia.

But I know you don't like details and to you only the wahhibis are real muslims.:yep:

That would be wahhabi.

[Cybermat47]

Quran 5:33
They believe the Quran to be the word of god delivered via their prophet, and they should live their life according to it.

:nope:

I'm not seeing anything about paralysis in that passage. And we also have to remember that this is Sharia law, which is an extreme version of Islam. We can't just say 'A small group of Muslims are doing this horrendous act, the Quran must be the cause of it'. That would be like saying 'A small group of American's are torturing POWs, the constitution must be the cause of it'.

[Tribesman]

And we also have to remember that this is Sharia law, which is an extreme version of Islam.
No.
Sharia law is whatever someone says it is based on their interpretation, which is why there are as many versions of it as there are people who look at it.

[Cybermat47]

No.
Sharia law is whatever someone says it is based on their interpretation, which is why there are as many versions of it as there are people who look at it.

Ah, I see. I didn't know that there were many versions of Sharia law, I just thought that it had a strict definition. Thanks for the info :salute:

[HundertzehnGustav]

Is it religion that kills people?
We all know the answer to that one.

true dat, true Dat.

Homo Sapiens or-not-so sapiens sometimes. :haha:

Question is: would we be better off without any religion? in the sense of "would humans do less "funky stuff" without the upbringing with religious elements?

More directly: would we be worldwide atheists /agnostics (...) to the bone, would we treat othe in a better manner?

I hope to find out in the next life :D

[MH]

No.
Sharia law is whatever someone says it is based on their interpretation, which is why there are as many versions of it as there are people who look at it.

Yet it does not mean that Saudi in many is not representative of Sunni Islam , kind of like Vatican.
There is a lot of fragmentation but lets not fool ourselves or others lol Saudi Islam is the mainstream and that's what matters here.

[Skybird]

Keep religion on a very short line. The more freedom you give it, the more it unfolds its always suppressive, intolerant, control-craving nature. Let it off the chain, and you end with fundamentalism, with inquisition, religious dictatorship, and inhumane things like this punishment now.

Leave religion where it belongs: in the privacy of your cabin. Missionizing, is an aggression. Going public over religion, is politics. Using it as an excuse to act cruelly towards others, is what is at the basis of all three theistic dogmas from all beginning on. and many other religious cults as well.

[Tribesman]

Yet it does not mean that Saudi in many is not representative of Sunni Islam , kind of like Vatican.
There is a lot of fragmentation but lets not fool ourselves or others lol Saudi Islam is the mainstream and that's what matters here.
How old is the Saudi version?
What you have is an offshoot of an offshoot of an offshoot of an offshoot of an offshoot of an offshoot.......... How is that the mainstream?
It may be the mainstream in Saudi amongst Saudi citizens, but it isn't the mainstream by any means.

[MH]

How old is the Saudi version?
What you have is an offshoot of an offshoot of an offshoot of an offshoot of an offshoot of an offshoot.......... How is that the mainstream?
It may be the mainstream in Saudi amongst Saudi citizens, but it isn't the mainstream by any means.

It does not matter how old is Saudi "interpretation" what matter is that they have working system that many would like copy if not going even further with it.
The question is not what mr Tribesman think is true Islam or some guy next block thinks all though it may give hope of possibility that it can be reformed somehow toward civilised way.

[Tribesman]

It does not matter how old is Saudi "interpretation" what matter is that they have working system that many would like copy if not going even further with it.

The Amish fit your bill, are they mainstream too?

What matters is that over the past few decades the Saudis have been using their petro dollars to spread their fairly recent version of a reactionary fundamentalist flavour of a movement.

The question is not what mr Tribesman think is true Islam or some guy next block thinks all though it may give hope of possibility that it can be reformed somehow toward civilised way.
You miss that it is "reformed", unfortunately this particular flavour is reformed along ultra-conservative ideals.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Missionizing, is an aggression.

strong.
but... mmmh yes i see what you mean.
Them Jehovas wasting my time, next time i call them cops and claim they want to intrude, are already checking out my vigilance...
:D :D

how bout this line:
"Religion should be included in consumer protection legislation because they’re selling a very dodgy product that promises much but delivers nothing."
Hahahahaha :P awesome...

[MH]

The Amish fit your bill, are they mainstream too?

What matters is that over the past few decades the Saudis have been using their petro dollars to spread their fairly recent version of a reactionary fundamentalist flavour of a movement.


While the dictators of ME resisted.


You miss that it is "reformed", unfortunately this particular flavour is reformed along ultra-conservative ideals.

Yeah yeah words......no...i did not miss anything.
Pleas tell me what is not reformed or interpreted Islam if it exists.
Not that it really matters because what is important is what people buy.
With the cultural roots around here it is much easer to sell fundamentalism than liberalism :haha:.
I mean that for average Muhammad is easer to compromise backward than forward.
That is one of the reason why things here(ME) are the way they are.

[Tribesman]

While the dictators of ME resisted.

Indeed they did, oh sorry you were trying to make a point somewhere:rotfl2:

Yeah yeah words......no...i did not miss anything.


You miss plenty, which is why you overstate yourself all the time.

[TLAM Strike]

I'm not seeing anything about paralysis in that passage. And we also have to remember that this is Sharia law, which is an extreme version of Islam. We can't just say 'A small group of Muslims are doing this horrendous act, the Quran must be the cause of it'. That would be like saying 'A small group of American's are torturing POWs, the constitution must be the cause of it'.

Quran 5:45
And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

It's not a small group that utilizes Sharia law, most of the Arabian pensula, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sudan implement full/almost full Sharia. Most of North Africa has Sharia only for domestic issues but that is rapidly changing (see Egypt).

[the_tyrant]

Gentlemen, can we just agree that we should treat our religious views like we treat our penis? We can do whatever we want with it in our homes, but we should never pull it out in public.

[MH]

You miss plenty, which is why you overstate yourself all the time.

:03:

[TLAM Strike]

Gentlemen, can we just agree that we should treat our religious views like we treat our penis? We can do whatever we want with it in our homes, but we should never pull it out in public.

Don't tell that to us...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9tus3KEC-U)
:nope:

[Tribesman]

Don't tell that to us...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9tus3KEC-U)
Bloody hell , the EVF and the EDL all in one link:har: