Senate votes 53-46 to stop US from joining UN Arms Trade Treaty

[Feuer Frei!]

Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) introduced an amendment that would prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty in order to uphold the Second Amendment. His amendment passed on a 53-46 vote.
Republicans have been critical of President Obama’s decision to consider the treaty, although Obama has said he would not vote for anything that would violate the Second Amendment.





The U.N. Arms Trade Treaty would regulate international arms sales. Negotiations ended on March 28.
SOURCE (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/290001-senate-votes-to-stop-us-from-joining-un-arms-treaty)

It is real scary to see that this vote was so close.
Here is a list of Senators who were willing to kiss goodbye US Sovereignty over the key issue of the right to bear arms:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00091

(Note: the yea votes were PRO Second Amendment)

[Tribesman]

Here is a list of Senators who were willing to kiss goodbye US Sovereignty over the key issue of the right to bear arms:

:doh: It has absolutely nothing to do with that.
How many times must that simple fact be repeated on this forum before people stop making the false claim?

[Hottentot]

:doh: It has absolutely nothing to do with that.
How many times must that simple fact be repeated on this forum before people stop making the false claim?

Perhaps we should start counting? You know, it would be a great scientific experiment.

[Feuer Frei!]

Perhaps we should not count the amount of times and actually attempt to understand what this is about?

In Jan 2010 the US joined with 152 other Countries to endorse a US Arms Treaty Resolution to draft a blueprint for enactment in 2012.
Originally there was no doubt at that time that it would be approved.
Foreign ministers of countries such as UK, France, Germany and Sweden wanted the treaty to cover all types of conventional weapons like small arms, light weapons and munitions, amongst other things.

They also wanted to include strong provisions for human rights, international humanitarian law and sustainable development.
On June 30, 130 Republican House members sent a letter to President Obama and Secretary Clinton arguing that the proposed treaty infringes on the “fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms”. The letter charges that “…the U.N.’s actions to date indicate that the ATT is likely to pose significant threats to our national security, foreign policy, and economic interests as well as our constitutional rights.” The lawmakers adamantly insist that the U.S. Government has no right to support a treaty that violates the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Democrats have accused Republicans of making this a political issue, maintaining that the treaty poses no Second Amendment threat. Others, such as former U.N. ambassador John Bolton, caution gun owners to take this initiative seriously. He believes that the U.N. “is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there is no doubt that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control.”

That was back in 2012.

Further reading: http://citizenreviewonline.org/the-u-n-arms-trade-treaty-are-our-2nd-amendment-rights-part-of-the-deal/

Here we are in 2013.

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”2nd Amendment

Perhaps the words of: kissing goodbye seem a little far-fetched, but certainly infringe would be a good choice.

[Tribesman]

Perhaps we should not count the amount of times and actually attempt to understand what this is about?

Understand what it is about?????
the idiots may as well have been voting for the preservation of easter to prevent the execution of santa claus.
It is no more nonsensical than the vote they had.

[Ducimus]

All they "nay" sayers were Democrats. (and 2 independents)

I hope this will reflect next election. It had better if we want to send a clear message to these jackwagons.

[Tribesman]

All they "nay" sayers were Democrats. (and 2 independents)

So does it mean that on this vote independents and dems are the ones with working brains?:yep:

It had better if we want to send a clear message to these jackwagons.
The message is very clear, unfortunately you don't realise what message it is you are sending.

[Wolferz]

Designed to make us all an international commodity?

Don't think it's possible?

Consider the clandestine creation of a little monument in Georgia called The Georgia Guide Stones that enumerates this ideology...


http://thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm

[Tribesman]

Thats no good Wolfertz, everyone knows a nutty website isn't complete without a rant on chemtrails.:rotfl2:

[Buddahaid]

It even states in the preamble on page one that it has no effect on sovereign states internal laws.

http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/docs/Draft_ATT_text_27_Mar_2013-E.pdf

[Oberon]

Now, now, Gents, let's not let facts get in the way of a good gun control rant. :nope:

[mookiemookie]

Others, such as former U.N. ambassador John Bolton, caution gun owners to take this initiative seriously. He believes that the U.N. “is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there is no doubt that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control.”
.

Ah the vague "others say" weasel words. And quoting John Bolton? He's not the most objective and rational of sources.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

This treaty is obviously intended to stop trade among armies, though given the hypersensitivity of the pro-gun crowd vs so much as registering their guns...

"Anti-gun treaty proponents continue to mislead the public, claiming the treaty would have no impact on American gun owners. That's a bald-faced lie. For example, the most recent draft treaty includes export/import controls (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Import_control&action=edit&redlink=1) that would require officials in an importing country to collect information on the 'end user' of a firearm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm), keep the information for 20 years, and provide the information to the country from which the gun was exported. In other words, if you bought a Beretta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta) shotgun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun), you would be an 'end user' and the U.S. government would have to keep a record of you and notify the Italian government about your purchase. That is gun registration (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_registration&action=edit&redlink=1). If the U.S. refuses to implement this data collection on law-abiding American gun owners, other nations might be required to ban the export of firearms to the U.S."

OK, if you put it that way. The thing is, though, America does have its own arms industries like Smith & Wesson. You don't have to buy a Beretta. The 2nd Amendment you can keep arms. It doesn't say you can necessarily keep foreign arms without needing to register them.

Now, thanks to these obstructionists, the US looks like it is unwilling to do its part to limit the global arms trade.

[Wolferz]

Thats no good Wolfertz, everyone knows a nutty website isn't complete without a rant on chemtrails.:rotfl2:

I wasn't really alluding to the nutty website as much as the guide stones themselves and their clandestine creation by some mystery man who went by the name R. Christian.
So, forget the website and do a search for the Georgia Guide stones.

Considering the message engraved upon these slabs of granite, one can't help but wonder what some cloaked figure or organization has in store for the populations of the world.
Especially the line that states; "Keep the world population limited to 500,000,000.
Just to pare it down to that number would require killing millions of human beings.

[Tribesman]

I wasn't really alluding to the nutty website as much as the guide stones themselves and their clandestine creation by some mystery man who went by the name R. Christian.
So, forget the website and do a search for the Georgia Guide stones.

Considering the message engraved upon these slabs of granite, one can't help but wonder what some cloaked figure or organization has in store for the populations of the world.

Consider that I can write here...
the population of the world shall be reduced to 3 and 2 of those shall be called Ralph and Ralph shall not be the queen of the universe for she will have dominion over the lost things found down the back of a sofa while wearing robes of puce and shoes of teal.

then carve it in stone, let someone put it on a webite and watch people going OMG OMG LOOKY AT THE SECRET SHADOWY SCHEME TO GAIN DOMINION OVER THE UNIVERSISE AND THINGS ERRRRRRRR......LIKE THAT:rotfl2:

[Hottentot]

the population of the world shall be reduced to 3 and 2 of those shall be called Ralph and Ralph shall not be the queen of the universe for she will have dominion over the lost things found down the back of a sofa while wearing robes of puce and shoes of teal.
Hey, you stole my next AAR's manuscript! :stare:

[Ducimus]

Now, thanks to these obstructionists, the US looks like it is unwilling to do its part to limit the global arms trade.


Screw that noise. The US government should have only one obligation, and that is to the well being of people of the US. I personally hate the fact that it is implied or expected that we have to be involved in everything global, and yet people piss down our backs the first chance they get regardless of what we do or don't do. So yea.. screw that noise.

[Feuer Frei!]

I personally hate the fact that it is implied or expected that we have to be involved in everything global, and yet people piss down our backs the first chance they get regardless of what we do or don't do.

It comes with the title.

[Betonov]

Screw that noise. The US government should have only one obligation, and that is to the well being of people of the US.

And the irony ??
We'd be better off too. The richer the Americans are, the more we can sell to you. The better you live, the better we live. We don't want your money, we want a profitable market

[Ducimus]

It comes with the title.

And the irony ??
We'd be better off too. The richer the Americans are, the more we can sell to you. The better you live, the better we live. We don't want your money, we want a profitable market

I've been a big fan of a novel concept called Non-interventionism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-interventionism) I'm going to cling to the idea. Maybe it will catch on. The UN can suck it.

[yubba]

Screw that noise. The US government should have only one obligation, and that is to the well being of people of the US. I personally hate the fact that it is implied or expected that we have to be involved in everything global, and yet people piss down our backs the first chance they get regardless of what we do or don't do. So yea.. screw that noise.
Well said, but of course this administation, can't do the above, it is redistrabuting your wealth, thieves don't return stuff to their victims.The main question is why did this vote come up in the middle of the night on a weekend, what were they trying to hide ????? Did the Obama administration run guns to the rebels in Sryia ?????

[Buddahaid]

You know we don't live in a vacuum. Isolationism will just make you weak and unprepared for coming events. And, did it ever occur to you that this wasteful involvement is actually part of looking out for numero uno?

http://autisticallybeautiful.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/head-in-sand.png?w=141&h=168

[Platapus]

Just want to point out that there is a huge difference between "Isolationism" and "non-interventionism". The terms should not be interchangeable.

peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none - Tommy J. (4 March 1801)

[mookiemookie]

peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none

Unless it's Israel.