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Catfish

03-19-13, 02:08 PM

The truth is worse than most phantastic conspracy theories.

http://www.heise.de/tp/blogs/6/153958
http://www.tageblatt.lu/lup/eidesstattliche%20Erklaerung.pdf
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/accused-temple-shooter-was-army-psyops-specialist/

Part of a worldwide procedure of PsyOps (psychological operations) or better blunt State Terrorism it seems. Now we have proof that the german BND was partaking in some terror acts and asassinations, with help of 'befriended services' ... :hmmm:
The spanish subway 'Taliban' attack may also have been a fake - also with a lot of dead of course.
Nothing new i know, Gladio and the NATO 'Stay-behind' armies in best OSS tradition have been known of since decades, and after the fall of the soviet block they obviously need new enemies for aggrandizing themselves.

I can foresee the end of the matter though, since it all is "clandestine and secret, and any clarification of facts would unsettle brave citizens a.s.o. a.s.o. blahblah.

So, our own secret services wanted to create an atmosphere of fright and 'unstableness' while blaming it on muslims and communists, nice.
I just wonder WHY ?? Cui bono ? Only to bedevil unwanted currents, or organisations ? Isn't this a bit primitive ?

Oberon

03-19-13, 02:13 PM

Got something a bit more in English and from a more reliable source?

August

03-19-13, 02:26 PM

Good old Catfish, always looking for those conspiracy theories.

The Sikh temple shooter had been out of the military for well over a decade. He was also a low ranking enlisted man with little or no operational ability or training.

Catfish

03-19-13, 02:36 PM

Rilder

03-19-13, 02:40 PM

So your talking about a modern day Operation Northwoods?

Catfish

03-19-13, 03:24 PM

There is few really new, under the sun :-?

03-19-13, 03:31 PM

I wonder if you ever really leave the army, if you were a participant in PsyOps :hmmm:
If he was, but i think we can assume that. Maybe he was just an isolated sick racist neo-nazi, however i wonder how he then found his way into this propaganda unit - s. happens, of course.

@Oberon - no non german links found yet
Actuallyit may happen...why not and then when you back engineer all this you get theory of conspiracy.
Its like saying that JFK driver was part of conspiracy because he drove the car at the speed that allowed JFK's body to meet the bullet.

Catfish

03-19-13, 03:39 PM

I should have let out the Sikh temple shooter :shifty:, i just thought i should mention that something like PsyOps does exist, and that is is/was part of the NATO Stay-Behind armies.

Still i find a secret service doing "terrorist" attacks (aka state terrorism) blaming this on unwanted groups or have a reason for introducing harsher laws against "enemies of the state" pretty amazing, at least for Germany. The second link is the important one -

August

03-19-13, 06:47 PM

Red October1984

03-19-13, 07:31 PM

I bet my History Teacher would love this.

Why (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2027467&postcount=8)

Catfish

03-22-13, 01:55 PM

I don't read French. Is the proof really all that conclusive?

Yes german and french, and it is conclusive.
This is old news, new (for me) is the participation of the german BND, among France, England, Luxemburg, Belgium and the US secret services.

If there are fanatics laying bombs and the like for political reasons or to 'putsch', those people are usually called terrorists. In case of a nation-own act of terror for whatever reason, this is being referred to as 'state-terrorism'.

Some Background, it began with the X2 branch of the OSS, the former CIA. Operation codename was 'Gladio':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio)

Good BBC 'Timewatch' documentary from 1992 about Gladio and the idea of the so-called 'stay-behind' armies, and their new task after the cold war:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXavNe81XdQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXavNe81XdQ) (1st part)

　
The original idea of the british MIs and the (then) US OSS (later CIA) in WW2 was to infiltrate enemy lines, and perform sabotage acts, spread propaganda and of course spy. This is nothing new and has surely been done by any nation, for millenia.

When WW2 was over and the cold war started, the concept was changed into so-called 'stay-behind' armies, that would organize weapon pools and store war gear, for the time the russians would invade western Europe.

" ... Prince Valerio Borghese, a former meber of the new fascist group 'Ordine Nuovo', takes us right to the heart of the American secret service (then OSS). He was saved and protected by Angleton in 1945 when he gave himself up in Milan at the end of WW2 in Italy. The Decima Mas, the gropu that Valerio Borghese commanded, promised the Allies to take up arms in the event of a Soviet invasion ..
[...] "

In that case those clandestine organized units were to remain silent and be overrun, to later take up weapons and fight the enemy from behind.
Those units were not limited to Italy though, they existed in all european NATO states, and should serve in case of a soviet invasion. Maybe not entirely a bad idea .. due to the US domination a major part was directed by the OSS, especially its 'X2' branch.

In the 1970ies the first hint on an operation or group called 'Gladio' became known in Italy, due to an assassination of several regular soldiers, police officers and jounalists, by a 'terroristic act'. As some inquiring jounalists found out, this had been the work of their own state for whatever reason.
One reason found out was to get arms for the units while traing them in real combat - the arms were stolen from a depot, where the military personnel was killed.

However the 'stay-behind' armies' role changed, during the cold war:
There was a new orientation, for the clandestine units, and this is where the unexpicable hit the fan:

As Vincenzo Vinciguerra put it:
" [....]
You were supposed to attack civilians, women, children, innocent people outside the political arena. For one simple reason: To force the italian public to turn to the state, turn to the regime and ask for greater security [sic!]. This was precisely the role of the Right in Italy.

It placed itself at the service of the state which created a strategy, aptly called the'Strategy of tension', in sofar as they had to get people to accept that at any moment, over a period of 30 years from 1960 to the mid-eighties, a state of emergency could be declared ..."

And here comes:

" ... So, people would willingly trade part of their freedom for the security of being able to walk the streets, go on trains, or enter a bank.
This is the political logic behind all the bombings"

Sounds familiar ? It was done by the very state the people were citizens of.

Not only in Italy, mind you. Assassinations, the killing of civilians through acts of terrorism were executed all over Europe, the spanish subway bombing was not done by muslims or 'The Taliban'.

If you now think of 'Operation Northwoods' mentioned above by Rilder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods)) and 9/11, maybe you understand the reluctance of some, to believe political leaders and their accusations, blaming others to be able to introduce harsh security laws, surveillance or even a state of emergency ("war against terrorism"), that would never have been possible in the 1970ies - and people agreed 'voluntarily' !

And the whole free media with their 'embedded jounalists' (adding a whole new meaning, while 'streamlined' or 'phased-in' would have been a better designation, for the non-partaking home journalists) supported them.
Not one critical voice, if you leave out Mr. M. Moore ..

And now we know the BND is also involved, nice ... :hmm2:

tater

03-22-13, 01:59 PM

The credulous are credulous, what a surprise :)

mookiemookie

03-22-13, 02:07 PM

False flag operations have a long history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

yubba

03-22-13, 04:59 PM

Under Obama, probably get another peace prize. Now if it was under George Bush, then we got a story.

eddie

03-22-13, 05:04 PM

Here's another Secret Service article, if its true! And by God I hope it was. Probably scared the crap out of him,lol

http://now.msn.com/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-almost-shot-by-secret-service-book-claims

Catfish

03-22-13, 05:58 PM

@Eddie: It's all good:
"Secret Service training manuals have since been updated with directives not to accidentally shoot leaders of volatile nations"

So they will only accidentally shoot at serious honest state leaders, in the future :03:

@MookieMookie
But False Flag does not quite capture what happens here .. those are national organisations, placing bombs and killing its own citizens, blaming it on foreign 'terrorists' to have a reason to introduce certain laws, or go to war - again:

"It placed itself at the service of the state which created a strategy, aptly called the'Strategy of tension', in sofar as they had to get people to accept that at any moment, over a period of 30 years from 1960 to the mid-eighties, a state of emergency could be declared ..."

I do not believe they just dropped this idea.

"... So, people would willingly trade part of their freedom for the security of being able to walk the streets, go on trains, or enter a bank. This is the political logic behind all the bombings"

This is not a war ruse - except you allow your own government to wage war against its own citizens. :shifty:

Greetings,
Catfish

August

03-22-13, 06:13 PM

Well I don't see any proof, conclusive or otherwise. Just a bunch of conspiracy theories and wishful thinking.

Catfish

03-22-13, 06:14 PM

^ edit: ok, it's your opinion, no need to go into this further -
only wishful thinking, it is not :yep:

Greetings,
Catfish

August

03-22-13, 07:12 PM

^ edit: ok, it's your opinion, no need to go into this further -
only wishful thinking, it is not :yep:

Greetings,
Catfish

I'm sorry if I misjudge you Catfish, but just about every post you make promotes some sort of evil government conspiracy. Am I wrong?

Catfish

03-23-13, 06:11 AM

Well it is mostly about the same theme, i am a bit critical towards governments and their excuses for certain actions, like taking away liberties, kill with drones in foreign countries violating own laws, or going to war for faked reasons, but not necessarily towards the US one alone.

For me it is obvious they have belied us a bit too often, and, as i think i proved, there's good reason they should not be trusted. Never.
And it is much worse with the secret services, some politicians rely on.