View Full Version : Chavez has died
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21679053
A divisive, problematic and controversial figure. There's gonna be two very different versions of him being trumpeted for a while now - one as some sort of angelic martyr of the people (no doubt, secretly assassinated by the US, as some will loudly proclaim) and another as this evil socialist dictator who has oppressed his own people and spat on human rights. I doubt a fair assessment of his actual role will be available for a while thanks to that.
Either way, having been a center of Latin American left-wing politics for the last few years, it will be interesting to see what effect Chavez' death will have on the region. He did build up a bit of a cult of personality around himself, and now that the person is gone, the structure behind the persona will probably struggle to redefine itself.
Seems like this has been coming for a while. Hate Chavez or not, you gotta hate cancer at the least. People in his situation rarely recover as miraculously as his PR aides were keen to claim, and I am really not surprised at today's news.
Tribesman
03-05-13, 07:04 PM
Be interesting to see if the media barons take over the country again.
geetrue
03-05-13, 07:27 PM
I remember a couple of years ago when Pat Robertson of CBN shocked everyone by saying,
"Maybe someone ought to take him out"
"each person is appointed a time to die and then the judgement"
I have nothing to do with that level of justice ...
GoldenRivet
03-05-13, 08:35 PM
In other news
I ate a burrito for lunch
nikimcbee
03-05-13, 08:50 PM
Auf Wiedersehen, don't let the door hit you on the way out.:woot:
CIA conspiracy wagon in five...four...three...
Ah well, I doubt there'll be many in the western world who will mourn his passing, the socialist social club will probably go into mourning but no-one really cares about them.
Now, I guess that just leaves Dinnerjacket and Little Kim as the outspoken anti-westerners of the world, even Mugabe hasn't said much about anything lately...probably trying to keep quiet in case someone farts near his economy and pushes it off the cliff edge it's perched on.
Now the more interesting question is...what's going to happen to Venezuela? One would have thought that someone would have put in place a handover regime, sensing this might be coming, but at the same time, if someone did that and Chavez recovered, then they'd probably be shot for planning to overthrow him. Time will tell, however it's pretty likely that whatever happens, the average people of Venezuela will still get screwed over.
Catfish
03-06-13, 03:55 AM
Be careful, if you run out of villains there will be no justification left for wars :D
Gendall
03-06-13, 04:05 AM
Be careful, if you run out of villains there will be no justification left for wars :D
And what about Super-Heros ? They can't make a living helping old woman crossing the road, do they ?
But if it can help, I agree to be the next vilain-axe-of-evil-terrorist... If I get 72 virgins when I die.
Tribesman
03-06-13, 04:17 AM
Now the more interesting question is...what's going to happen to Venezuela? One would have thought that someone would have put in place a handover regime, sensing this might be coming, but at the same time, if someone did that and Chavez recovered, then they'd probably be shot for planning to overthrow him. Time will tell, however it's pretty likely that whatever happens, the average people of Venezuela will still get screwed over.
New elections in a month. I think Capriles stands a good chance of getting elected this time, if he runs again.
Jimbuna
03-06-13, 07:14 AM
I can't say I'll miss hime but there will be those in his country who will.
The Enigma
03-06-13, 07:22 AM
May he rest in peace.
Privatization is a neoliberal and imperialist plan. Health can’t be privatized because it is a fundamental human right, nor can education, water, electricity and other public services. They can’t be surrendered to private capital that denies the people from their rights.
RIP Hugo.
HunterICX
03-06-13, 10:44 AM
RIP Hugo
HunterICX
Privatization is a neoliberal and imperialist plan. Health can’t be privatized because it is a fundamental human right, nor can education, water, electricity and other public services. They can’t be surrendered to private capital that denies the people from their rights.
Very nice slogan.
Similar ones exist in north korea and other places like that including former Libya(remember the green book :haha:) , question is if Hugo lived to this or this is just anothor of those fantasies.
As far as i know which is not a lot he did not.:hmmm:
Betonov
03-06-13, 01:18 PM
Don't know what to think of it.
He was also just another scumbag politician to me. Wont miss him but I wont rejoice over his death like I would when some of ours will bite the dust.
It's too bad he died before he could redistrabute that 2 billion dollars he had on hand to the needy children..
TLAM Strike
03-06-13, 05:31 PM
No worries Ahmadinejad says Chavez will return with Jesus and the Mahdi. (http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/06/ahmadinejad-chavez-will-return-with-jesus-and-12th-imam/):haha:
No worries Ahmadinejad says Chavez will return with Jesus and the Mahdi. (http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/06/ahmadinejad-chavez-will-return-with-jesus-and-12th-imam/):haha:
Yes he had so much more work to do,,he did so much good like takeing money from the rich and redistrabuteing it, brought down evil cooperations with excessive regulations or just took them, and nationalized them, made people equal that is equally poor...:hmmm::hmmm: that kinda seems familar seems like I'm living that nnaaa I must be crazy.. I just know he was going to get around to giving that 2 billion to the children but he was taken before he could.
Bubblehead1980
03-07-13, 12:24 AM
Good riddance!! One less socialist piece of trash in the world...now if only...well never mind lol.:arrgh!:
soopaman2
03-07-13, 04:39 PM
Is this good?
I never thought him as overly evil. Out side of calling the USA names every once in awhile he was harmless.
His people seemed to like him. Whats the problem? He didn't "play ball" with us? He liked Fidel Castro? Or did he overthrow one of our "friends"?
I never got the hostility.
I mean what danger was he? How many countries has he invaded?
On a side note, I never ever buy Citgo gas.:D
Not a sympathizer, or a commie, I just don't see what he did wrong to draw ire. I mean if someone knows please tell. I do not know much about him coming up. Just what he did as a leader, and I mean, you gotta kinda respect what he did for Venezuela.
The most important thing is his people are working, and moving forward, they seem to enjoy his type of rule, so it is what it is.
AVGWarhawk
03-07-13, 04:43 PM
Right, wrong, indifferent, oddball, strange, ok, funny....at the end of the day the guy was a father. Probably more so normal like the rest of us.
Jimbuna
03-07-13, 05:06 PM
Right, wrong, indifferent, oddball, strange, ok, funny....at the end of the day the guy was a father. Probably more so normal like the rest of us.
Precisely :yep:
Skybird
03-07-13, 05:29 PM
My god. I cannot believe the amount of naivety.
Chavez was nothing more than any other authoritarian thug there is, and are so many of. Corruption and bribery exploded under his regime. Currency was devalued by over one third under his regime. The rate of murder under his regime was at times higher than the death toll in Iraq. He forged alliances with North Korea and Iran, according to the Mossad he delivered uranium to iran and likely got nukie tech and/or missile tech from North Korea. He formed relations with Lukashenko. The economic crisis under his reign grew. The many enterprises that got turned into state_owned businesses, mysteriously lost a significant share of their incomes somewhere near the circles close to and directly related to Chavez and his closest allies. He has not saved the economy, but ruined it even more. Unemployement is up. He kicked the Yankees, well, that is a great deed, isn't it - but for his own part, the economical misery of his people now is even worse than before. Venezuela has so much oil - and thanks to Chavez the state-owned oil economy pays its debts in - bonds. and in the list of economically most repressive countries in the world, listing 177 countries, Venezuela ranks as fourth-worse regime world-wide. http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Okay, he hated America, and he was an icon of the left. The left overlook injustice and violence and dictatorship so easily if these things happens on behalf of leftist ideology. German media 3SAT called him an authentic and honest leader, another one, I think it was Die Welt, said the political left has lost one of its biggest icons and influential thinkers. Oh. My. God. I could vomit when hearing such garbage.
Being anti-America, being left, being a robber and being a cynical ass and parasite to his own people seems to be enough these days to ennoble a loser, a criminal, a villain. Nothing new then. I criticise America and capitalism myself often and viciously enough - but I never did it for such cheap reasons and with so idiotic pseudo-arguments and in such a shallow, simpleminded manner, like this sucker did. Not to mention that I did not actively engage in crime while hiding it and calling my "socialist cause" to my defence.
Let'S laugh and celebrate that there is one bastard less in the world. Even if it does not make a difference, probably. Still, this one will not play his wicked games anymore. And that deserves no tears. None at all.
North Korean leaders are cried about, too, and their people love them oh so very much. Propaganda works wonders, you know.
There is nothing to relativize about Chavez. He was a tyrant, and he abused his people, sucked their juice. He left his country in a condition worse than he had picked it up in. That he often made a fool of himself by his behaviour and talkings and ideas, and caused so much amusement amongst foreigners by his display of obvious megalomania, is the only thing funny in this. But it is black humour I laugh over.
Some of you come back to their senses. Save your crocodile tears or your attempt to relativise and your well-meant intention to see "both sides of the coin" for somebody more worthy. The economic damage and suffering caused by him will continue to grow after Chavez, and the guy coming after him probably will be as bad if not worse, than Chavez was. It was not nice before him. but it is not one b it better after him, but worse. Nothing to pay the man tribute for.
soopaman2
03-07-13, 05:52 PM
I wasn't paying tribute, I just see China and Russia as more menacing than him, and we (USA) kiss their hairy beanbags at every chance.
What did he do to America? That is my view. Nothing, he did nothing... Seriously? He called us names, hell Brits, and Germans who are our allies, call us names. it is what it is.
Why should anyone care what he did in his craphole country, it is not ours.
Was he overly militant? No.
Was he a threat to any sovereign nation? No
Does he sponsor terrorist acts against other nations? No.
So leave him to his own devices.
So western of us to push our ideology and will on others, who are more than happy in their own savage ways, why do you think we been in Iraq this long?
Platapus
03-07-13, 05:56 PM
Chavez, like every other leader, is multifaceted.
On the good side, he offered aid after Huricane Katrina. Aid that the US refused, but in hind sight perhaps should have taken
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/despite-oil-donations-offers-of-katrina-aid-chavez-never-caught-on-as-savior-of-poor-in-us/2013/03/07/8f26b50e-870c-11e2-a80b-3edc779b676f_story_1.html
Plus he subsidized, through Cigo and Citizens Energy, either discounted or free oil for poor families during the winter.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500395_162-4699560.html
Frankly I don't care about his motivation (no country does anything without an agenda) but helping poor families in the US stay warm is a good thing. I appreciate someone/anyone who helps my fellow country families.
I did not see the US federal government offering any help to these US citizens. :nope:
Chavez was like all leaders, he had his good, bad, and ugly sides.
I personally harbored no hatred for him. At the same time, not exactly crying about his death. I am, however, worried about who will replace him.
Takeda Shingen
03-07-13, 06:10 PM
I criticise America and capitalism myself often and viciously enough - but I never did it for such cheap reasons and with so idiotic pseudo-arguments and in such a shallow, simpleminded manner, like this sucker did.
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/christastic_2010/1417el0.gif
Skybird
03-07-13, 06:20 PM
Why should anyone care what he did in his craphole country, it is not ours.
Was he overly militant? No.
Was he a threat to any sovereign nation? No
Does he sponsor terrorist acts against other nations? No.
According to Mossad dealing uranium to Iran, giving Iran relief from sanctions by trading with them and giving them financial escape holes, forming alliances with factions that are decisively aggressive if not openly hostile to Western countries, patronizing alliances amongst left and Muslim terrorism. Trading weapon tech with North Korea, probably also nuclear tech.
Not dangerous? No threat? Not militant? No sponsor of terrorism?
I leave it here.
I leave it here.
If only you would. :O:
AVGWarhawk
03-07-13, 09:21 PM
My god. I cannot believe the amount of naivety.
I chalk it up to my age. At a certain age naivety is really just another way of saying I don't care about it. The guy passed away. Perhaps the best thing to do is worry about who is taking his place. :03:
Tribesman
03-08-13, 03:41 AM
My god. I cannot believe the amount of naivety.
:rotfl2:
HunterICX
03-08-13, 04:40 AM
:rotfl2:
Yeah I had my coffee beeing sprayed through my nose reading that....:dead:
HunterICX
HundertzehnGustav
03-08-13, 05:00 AM
some subtle forms of artillery shelling right there.
i enjoy sky's arguments, cause i might agree.
i can understand and share AVGs position.
and tribesman's ROFLOL:
"i see what you did right there"
with Hunter making me laugh.
subsim at its best. love you guys for your different points of view, and making me grin too.
Good riddance!! One less socialist piece of trash in the world...now if only...well never mind lol.:arrgh!:
Classy as always.
Jimbuna
03-08-13, 04:07 PM
Which one are you on the photo Sky? :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21709922
:03:
TFatseas
03-09-13, 01:03 AM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m59pk2YeIb1r5feico1_400.jpg
Good enough response for me.
Skybird
03-09-13, 06:04 AM
Which one are you on the photo Sky? :)
Hm? Don't get it, if it was a joke. Don't feel hit if it was a strike.
Jimbuna
03-09-13, 10:25 AM
Hm? Don't get it, if it was a joke. Don't feel hit if it was a strike.
Definitely a joke...you should know me well enough by now, I seldom 'strike' in public.
What I intended your interpretation of my comment to be "He's implying I'm one of those mourners/supporters sitting next to the dead".
It doesn't work so well when it needs explaining :03:
Skybird
03-09-13, 10:37 AM
Öh... nothing...
:D
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