Law Student "Schools" Policeman On His Gun Rights

[Feuer Frei!]

Ok this guy knows(it seems) his laws concerning the carry of a gun, the only thing i haven't worked out yet is if the guy was just showing off or did he have something to hide by not even giving the cop his first name.
The video doesn't show what happens after which is a shame...

http://co-ironwill.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/law-student-schools-policeman-on-his.html

[Armistead]

They're 100's of these on youtube. For the most part they're people out proving a point, know the cops will come and ready to video, often they sue the city. Worse, most cops don't follow the law and get made fools of on video. Course, if the cops didn't know they were on video, usally a different outcome. This guy did qoute the right law, seems to me it ended with the guy asking was he free to go, the supervisor said "yup" and the noobie cop giving him his gun back. Heck, they're many videos of people carrying AK's, 50 cal sniper rifles, etc., right through town....out to prove a point and make a youtube.

He is right, I would never give my name, it does go into a data base and starts whirling.

Now if you really want to watch some cop abuse, look on youtube for PA. pigeon shoots. Some guy named shark is against it, follows the law to report on it, but the police abuse him terribly.

[Seth8530]

Yeah, the kid was looking for trouble. Good for him for knowing his rights, but trolling the cops is kind of immature.

[TFatseas]

Cop didn't know what he was doing and the student was out looking to get a reaction.

Meh.

Here is another guy looking for a confrontation but the cop knew what was up and the officer wiped the floor with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9wahCTz08


Don't get me wrong, I believe in the carry of firearms, but when doing so just to get some kind of confrontation out of it? That's a no-go from me.

[Wolferz]

During my days as a fire alarm inspector I carried a device known as a smoke stick for testing smoke detectors. It was carried in what looked like a rifle bag. Every visit to a college campus brought numerous calls to campus police of a man carrying a weapon around the grounds.:o
I was never stopped for inspection a single time.
Whenever we inspected local government buildings, the police would wave at us as they drove by. Must have been the two way radios we carried.:D

My point is, the police are under no legal obligation or oath to protect anyone from anything They are only sworn to uphold the law. They are human and can get the wrong idea about any situation. The smart ones react properly. The brutes react negatively.
We are not required to surrender identification or our personal property unless suspected of a crime. If we have done nothing wrong we are not obligated to surrender our rights on demand. The usual friendly conversation the poice use as a tactic to trip you up and confess something is against the law and they know it. The sad thing is all the law enforcement professionals who break the law in order to turn you into a criminal and fill their for profit prisons.
I, for one, will refuse to be a victim of the unscrupulous. I do not consent to illegal search and seizure.

[Armistead]

During my days as a fire alarm inspector I carried a device known as a smoke stick for testing smoke detectors. It was carried in what looked like a rifle bag. Every visit to a college campus brought numerous calls to campus police of a man carrying a weapon around the grounds.:o
I was never stopped for inspection a single time.
Whenever we inspected local government buildings, the police would wave at us as they drove by. Must have been the two way radios we carried.:D

My point is, the police are under no legal obligation or oath to protect anyone from anything They are only sworn to uphold the law. They are human and can get the wrong idea about any situation. The smart ones react properly. The brutes react negatively.
We are not required to surrender identification or our personal property unless suspected of a crime. If we have done nothing wrong we are not obligated to surrender our rights on demand. The usual friendly conversation the poice use as a tactic to trip you up and confess something is against the law and they know it. The sad thing is all the law enforcement professionals who break the law in order to turn you into a criminal and fill their for profit prisons.
I, for one, will refuse to be a victim of the unscrupulous. I do not consent to illegal search and seizure.

Sadly many states and cities are passing laws that allow stop and ID without cause. Many cities allow the seizure of your legal weapon in this process. Numerous cities don't allow you to carry a loaded gun, clip must be seperate and on the other side of your belt. Simpy know the laws in your state.

[Wolferz]

Sadly many states and cities are passing laws that allow stop and ID without cause. Many cities allow the seizure of your legal weapon in this process. Numerous cities don't allow you to carry a loaded gun, clip must be seperate and on the other side of your belt. Simpy know the laws in your state.


They can pass all the laws they wish but, if those laws violate the constitution, they can not enforce them. Not legally anyway.

[Jimbuna]

Met many a 'smart arse' in my time in uniform.....don't start crying when the consequences aren't what you envisaged.

[Stealhead]

Met many a 'smart arse' in my time in uniform.....don't start crying when the consequences aren't what you envisaged.


Some people see the police as the enemy in the US not matter what the situation.Sure some cops are bad but that does not mean that they all are.You can also find videos on Youtube where the officer is being perfectly
reasonable and the person filming is really trying to make him look like a bad person but fails.

Funny thing is many have a double standard don't do this to me but if you do the same thing I dislike to some "punk" fine by me.

You will also notice many like to claim that law enforcement does not prevent crimes I find that laughable their existence has a very strong effect.Just look at any society that has very little law enforcement or at a situation where the law suddenly is gone like in New Orleans after Katrina.

I can tell that the above posters do not know any LE personally because they assume that they must do things a certain way and that they agree with every part of the system.That is not the case very often I know cops that do not agree with many laws and will simply not enforce them.I do not know how true the claim of taking ID without cause is true I know in New York city they where doing this and was found to illegal and they stopped.I cant speak for others but the only time I ever showed my ID was when I got pulled over for a traffic violation and in that case they can legally request ID.They also can if you have been reported by another person even if you are not doing anything wrong in that case if you cooperate you will be fine.

I know this is true because of an experience that a friend from high school had.This person happens to black and male a type by many in American assumed to be suspicious if he is not "where he is supposed to be" .He had recently moved with his mother into a new house in a all white area one afternoon he got locked out of the house so he climbed into his bedroom window and had to climb back out that way because he had no key to the front door dead bolt. Someone in the area saw this and called the Sheriff and a deputy drove up to the house
it just so happened as my friend was climbing out of his bedroom window.The deputy had my friend walk over towards him and asked him what he was doing my friend explained himself and the deputy requested his ID my friend gave the cop his ID and the cop just looked at and gave it back.Then deputy explained that someone had called in reporting a suspicious black man climbing into windows.The cop laughed and actually apologized to my friend and then drove away.

You can find many stories out there some are ture some are not true or told from a slanted view to fit someones agenda.Even most bad encounters that innocent people have told usually turned out just fine because more than one cop was involved and the reasonable cop resolved the situation.

There will always be real crime but in a place where there is effective law enforcement they do have an effect on it.Law enforcement is just like any other endeavor in human society it will never be perfect but that does not mean that it should not be around or that you must have a "they must all be after me" attitude.

Civilians in the US complain way too much about the police.Join the military where the Military Police have much more power over you and you cannot refuse any command they give you and you must always show ID when asked immediately without one single word of protest.Give even the slightest attitude and you stand a very good chance of going to the stockade (bring in Navy talk) and hope that your commanding officer decides to pick you up in a day or two.