Can we just call these folks.....

[AVGWarhawk]

trespassers then? We will spend weeks figuring out the best way to describe these folks and not actually solving the issue of providing a good path to citizenship.

Many immigrant-rights advocates object to the terms “illegal” and “alien,” saying that people cannot be deemed illegal, and that the word “alien” makes them sound inhuman. They argue the better terms are “undocumented migrants.”

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/feb/13/illegal-immigrant-tells-congress-not-call-him-ille/#ixzz2Ko5MKYi2

[Hottentot]

We call them "cultural enrichment".

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl2:

I liked the one comment by the guy who said that next drug dealers will start demanding to be called "undocumented pharmacists".

At the annual Hispanic rally a few years back one woman was carrying a sign saying "I am not a criminal!" I only saw the picture, so I couldn't tell her "If you are here in violation of the law, then you are a lawbreaker. That's what a criminal is." If you go to another country in violation of their immigration laws, then you are indeed an illegal alien. How much intelligence does it take to figure that out?

This guy's an idiot, and he wants to make it all better by changing the language.

[AVGWarhawk]

This guy's an idiot, and he wants to make it all better by changing the language.

Yes sir. Word Smithing at it's best.

These are New Americans who are here...ummmmm...illegally here. No wait. What? Illegal Americans!!!! That's it!

[Wolferz]

Obfuscation at it's finest.
Why do they even pass laws if they have no intentions of enforcing them? Worse, they allow our borders to be penetrated like swiss cheese and then allow these crimiinals to claim rights. My advice to them is become a naturalized citizen and then you've earned the same rights as everyone else. Illegal immigrants/aliens in the eyes of our laws are the proper terms, as well as criminals whether they like it or not. Bandying cree words doesn't change the truth. Only our uninvited guests can change it by becoming naturalized. Not by becoming jailhouse lawyers.

[AVGWarhawk]

Of course these are proper terms. The idea and perception need to change. Not the words. This is why it is word smithing. The problem here is months and $$$ are spent deciding what terms to use. Nonsense.

[Wolferz]

Why take the proper path to the home of the brave when you can sneak in the basement door and claim ownership of the house with new terms for your status?
Thieves, miscreants,squatters and invaders are all accurate terms. But most of all Cowards fits like a glove. Side stepping all the proper channels and turning into a lobbyist to entreat our government to grant them favor is as cowardly as it gets. Not only on the part of our uninvted guests but also on the part of the people in DC for even allowing them an audience. The gentleman in the article should have been detained and deported as soon as he hit the capitol steps.

[AVGWarhawk]

The gentleman in the article should have been detained and deported as soon as he hit the capitol steps.

Excellent point. Welcome to being made an example of. It seems any shred of containing the problem is long gone. It is similar to putting on a raincoat after you already been outside in the rain.


Also, stunts like this does not help your cause.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/images/mexicanus.jpg

[Madox58]

Pardon me with a crazy thought.
:hmmm:

But if someone is helping the illegals wouldn't they themselves be guilty of aiding and abetting?

[AVGWarhawk]

Pardon me with a crazy thought.
:hmmm:

But if someone is helping the illegals wouldn't they themselves be guilty of aiding and abetting?

For some reason people run around with blinders. By definition I would say yes. It is aiding and abetting.

[tater]

If they learned english, they'd know that "alien" has exactly nothing to do with being "inhuman," it just means from a foreign nation.

Never mind that people are required to go through immigration/passport control to enter the country, and any that skip it are, duh, illegal.

Presumably anyone in favor of appeasing illegal aliens is also fine with people skipping passport control at the airport, right? What's the difference? Or is it only OK if they manage to not get caught immediately?

[AVGWarhawk]

Presumably anyone in favor of appeasing illegal aliens is also fine with people skipping passport control at the airport, right? What's the difference? Or is it only OK if they manage to not get caught immediately?

I would believe anyone in favor of appeasing illegal aliens is fine with just about anything. Nothing is OK with any of it. It is silly we spend months playing word games. Call it what it is and act on the law. Sadly, when officials act on the law there is something perceived as wrong in doing so.

[Armistead]

Why don't we call them what they are, potential Democrat voters and cheap labor.

[AVGWarhawk]

Why don't we call them what they are, potential Democrat voters and cheap labor.

I was not going to say it. :haha:


Call them future Liberals. :har:

[fireftr18]

I was not going to say it. :haha:


Call them future Liberals. :har:

:salute:

[Madox58]

Well. Once they get that legal statues?
Most will probably figure they don't make enuff money, then they quite thier jobs.
So let's call them Welfare cases.

[Wolferz]

Why don't we call them what they are, potential Democrat voters and cheap labor.

I would have said that but, wanted to leave the parties out of this party.

Now that you've mentioned it...
We have complicity and duplicity going on. The Dems want these new voters.
The Republicans want the cheap labor.

It's convenient to both if they work together on this.

One word comes to mind...Douchebags

[AVGWarhawk]

The Republicans want the cheap labor.



There are few Democrats with a pool hand or two. To them, they offer a job and upward mobility. For Republicans, they are getting off cheap.

[Armistead]

I would have said that but, wanted to leave the parties out of this party.

Now that you've mentioned it...
We have complicity and duplicity going on. The Dems want these new voters.
The Republicans want the cheap labor.

It's convenient to both if they work together on this.

One word comes to mind...Douchebags

I totally agree. I always laugh at the mostly conservative people that live in our richest hood, they complain about illegals, but they have no problem hiring them to do all the work around the house.

[Madox58]

If I hire a murderer, employ him knowing he's a murderer, and don't turn him in?
I'm adding and abetting.

How does employing illegals work differently?
:hmmm:

That's what's wrong with the whole idea of Law.

Ohh!! Wait!! I get it!! Since those We elect decide it's different!!
Not that ANY Law backs them up in this decision.

By inference, any Law those elected choose NOT to follow is OK.
And does not subject them to possible impeachment or prosecution under existing Laws.

[AVGWarhawk]

Here in MD that have exercised the law and have arrested business owner who are employing illegals. The problem is the police are seen as heartless by some in the community. You know, the ones that did not vote for the law. Can't win either way.

[Wolferz]

Here in MD that have exercised the law and have arrested business owner who are employing illegals. The problem is the police are seen as heartless by some in the community. You know, the ones that did not vote for the law. Can't win either way.

The police are the ones caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place by enforcing the laws written by those who are elected to write them. Not everyone gets a vote on every law but they can have a say.
Speaking up after the fact is kind of Oblio wuldn't you say?

[swamprat69er]

I don't know if you guys are aware of it or not, but in 1985 I found out that IF a person not of U.S. origin doesn't have a green card AND they work in the 'States and get caught doing so the fine was $10,000.oo and they would be deported AFTER the fine was paid.
I have no idea how much the fine is to the employer.

As for your illegals, call a spade a spade and throw their asses in the bucket until the 10 Grand is paid off and then because they are criminals chuck them out.

[mookiemookie]

I'm having a house built, so can we not throw out all of the illegals for the next 3 months or so? :har:

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm having a house built, so can we not throw out all of the illegals for the next 3 months or so? :har:

Mine was completed today. Yes, there were some hard working men speaking Spanish working the drywall in the past two weeks. . Did a nice job. I can not determine if any are illegal.

[Madox58]

I can not determine if any are illegal.

Easy way to tell?
When the job is going on, park a Van with great big yellow letters on it.
ICE

The ones that don't show up for work are illegals.

[AVGWarhawk]

That would be funny if it were not true!!!! :up:

[Madox58]

I worked in skilled trades for a company that made Hams 8 or 9 years ago.
We use to park a blue van with INS in yellow letters out front when we wanted an easy day.
Worked every time!!
:har: