Waitress fired after posting controversial pastor receipt

[Onkel Neal]

http://blog.chron.com/hottopics/2013/01/waitress-fired-after-posting-controversial-pastor-receipt-on-reddit/

St. Louis pastor Alois Bell, disagreed with an 18 percent gratuity charge added to her Applebee’s bill, and let it be known on her receipt, writing “I give God 10% why do you get 18″

I don't know, maybe it because the Almighty didn't bring you an omlette with toast and the waitress did. Cheap stiff :nope:

Maybe he should give God 20%...

[AVGWarhawk]

:haha:

I pay 20%. I figure these folks struggle like anyone else. If the service is poor I pay 15%. 15% is the standard here in MD.

[Sailor Steve]

It's funny, but I grew up being told the standard tip was 15%. Supposedly Utah's are known for being lousy tippers. I try to make up for it by figuring 20% and then rounding up to the nearest whole dollar. I dislike built-in gratuities, so I always make sure the bill says 0% and leave cash on the table. If I ever went to an Appleby's the server would lose money on the deal. :O:

[Takeda Shingen]

I also tip 20%. Waiting is hard work, and work that requires you to deal with a lot of customers that will be rude simply because they feel that they are better than you. So, I have empathy for people in the job.

[Onkel Neal]

I also tip 20%. Waiting is hard work, and work that requires you to deal with a lot of customers that will be rude simply because they feel that they are better than you. So, I have empathy for people in the job.

Yeah, my tip varies between 15% and 20%, except at my favorite diner, where I blow 25% on a meal tip.

Well, after reading more of the story, it is heartening to learn that the pastor (a woman?) was very contrite about her action (http://kdvr.com/2013/02/01/applebees-waitress-fired-for-posting-receipt-with-pastors-tip-complaint/). Still doesn't help the waitress who lost her job.

[Sailor Steve]

So, I have empathy for people in the job.
For my group of friends that empathy extends to joking with the servers and complementing them, and when we come back again they are always glad to see us. Of course it doesn't hurt that after we've collected the money and figured out the tip sometimes we'll say "Hmm. That only leaves me with two dollars in my pocket. What am I going to spent that on? I guess I'll toss that on the table too."

[Armistead]

I had a favorite waitress beside where I once worked for 22 years at the IHOP. I think she worked there 27 years. Sadly, she got cancer around age 60 and had to quit, but several of us got together started a fund and paid her small house off. I loved that lady. My office window faced the back of IHOP not two feet away, almost connected. I could call and she would bring me coffee through the window.

[Sailor Steve]

Armistead, that reminds me of an experience I had many years ago. We had a local restaurant with an upstairs that could be rented for parties. The large group of friends I had at the time held a birthday party for one of us. We only had one poor girl taking orders for about thirty of us, and she did a great job. When it came time to go they sent three more people up to help clear the tables. We all left a tip, but then one of our party pointed out that there was a chance that it would be divided among the four of them. She convinced us all to pitch in what we could, and I'm betting she collected at least $100. As we were leaving she said "We're betting you'll have to share the tip with the others, so this is for you." The girl almost cried. :sunny:

[AVGWarhawk]

Recognition of a job well done goes a loooonnngggg way. :up:

[Wolferz]

Not very Christian of that Pastor was it?

I once left a C note on the table for a favored waitress who was struggling to buy clothing for her many children. The restrauteur of that establisment only paid his wait staff around a buck sixty an hour which seems to be the norm in most places.
I always leave a decent tip for good service and sometimes a yankee dime to boot. Waitresses really remember that.:03: Done it from one side of America to the other and parts of Canada too.

[August]

I've been known to tip breakfast waitresses 100% of the bill. No food server works harder except perhaps bar maids and they tend to get far more tips.

It always irritates me to see another patron figure out 15 or even 20% of a 10 buck breakfast. Especially when she'd been by to refill his coffee cup a half dozen times.

[Skybird]

A tip that is mandatory part of the regular bill and is even printed on the bill, is no tip. The practice is uncommon, if not unknown in German bars and restaurants. I would not tolerate such places myself, and never go there again. I have heard that staff depends on these payments in America due to their employer paying them so badly by norm. And that is where the problem lies hen: unhealthy business practices and the cost of the employed staff. Fair wages for fair work, that must be the formula.

The few occasions where I go to a restaurant (in Germany) anymore, I base the tip on performance, how I was treated, and the situation in general. I am more generous when I liked the stay. I give nothing when I am pissed. Usually it ends with rounding up generously. But roughly 15% is the utmost maximum. Heck, lets' leave it in relation!

Not that I go into restaurants that much anymore. :)

[NeonSamurai]

In Canada the tip rate is lower, usually 10-15% I've found. But the minimum wage for waitresses is higher.

As for deserving tips, I am of mixed minds as I use to work places like that, but in the kitchen. Most of the places I worked, the waitresses made 3-10 times as much as we did due to tips (which in most places I worked, were not shared at all), and I would say that our work was harder then theirs.

Breakfast shift does suck though.

[Gerald]

I always give a tip, even if it is included in all services in this country, If I pay by card, I will give the waiter or waitress first in hand, to avoid unnecessary taxes, and usually located tip of 15-20 percent, if no hassles spirit arises,:yep:

[Stealhead]

In the US the minimum wage and therefore all wages payed to servers are lower the the standard minimum the reason is because a portion of their earnings is supposed to come from tips.

These days a lot of guests tend to refuse to pay tips even when the server performed well or even very well.For this reason many restaurants add an automatic gratuity to larger parties it always says this on the receipt(which the one that the pastor left the note on so they did pay the tip anyway).They place the message on the receipt so that the customer can choose to pay the server an additional tip above the automatic gratuity.

There are certainly crappy servers out there but there are also a lot of very good ones that do deserve a fair tip.People usually do not realize that a server is managing several tables at one time so if they are doing very good job they are putting a lot of effort into it.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm

food service wage the 3rd raw is what the person gets from the employer.The federal minimum is $2.13 in other words a huge amount of their earnings are from tips no matter how long they have worked somewhere becuase as thier wage goes up it is still going to much lower than someone that started at the standard minimum wage.

How many people get a much better guaranteed wage but put little effort into their work yet have no fear of not earning due to lousy performance?

[Buddahaid]

The pastor is a she and the she was part of a group of eight. It's common practice to have the gratuity automatically figured in large groups, although eight isn't all that large. She deserves all the ridicule she will get for being such a dipstick.

[Jimbuna]

No built in tips here in the UK as far as I'm aware so 15 -20% is reasonable provided the service is good.

[AVGWarhawk]

In my neck of the woods generally 8 or more the gratuity is automatically calculated. I'm not always a fan of this practice because it kind of provides the right for the server to handle the service how they wish while still receiving the automatic gratuity. In other words, you don't have a say(monetarily) if the service is bad.

[Jimbuna]

In my neck of the woods generally 8 or more the gratuity is automatically calculated. I'm not always a fan of this practice because it kind of provides the right for the server to handle the service how they wish while still receiving the automatic gratuity. In other words, you don't have a say(monetarily) if the service is bad.

I'd consider that slightly dictatorial and quite honestly offputting.

[Madox58]

I travel all over the U.S. and We have a little game We play.

We place a stack of dollar bills on the table when We sit down.
If service is slow or bad, We'll start takeing a bill off the stack depending on our aggravation level.

Whatever is left on the stack when We leave is the tip.
We're not cheap skates as the stack may hold an amount higher then the meal at the start.

You can bet that if We go back service improves greatly!
:haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

Once my brother, at a restaurant, asked the waitress no less than 5 times for ketchup. It never came. When he got up to leave he stated to waitress he left the tip under the ketchup. :03:

[fireftr18]

I like to think I tip generously. Resturaunts so underpay the wait staff that they rely on tips just to make money. I think the practice on the part of the resturant is wrong. The wait staff should get good pay in exchange for doing a good job. The staff shouldn't have to rely on the generousity of patrons for pay.

[Madox58]

My Wife is working at the Local VFW as a Bar Bitc..., I mean Bar Maid.
Mostly the tips are fair from the members.
A few were pretty cheap in that area.
Until they asked her who her Husband was.
Seems I beat the crap outta them years ago!
:haha:

[Onkel Neal]

In my neck of the woods generally 8 or more the gratuity is automatically calculated. I'm not always a fan of this practice because it kind of provides the right for the server to handle the service how they wish while still receiving the automatic gratuity. In other words, you don't have a say(monetarily) if the service is bad.

It's necessary to have that for large parties because in many cases, a party of 8 will tip like a party of 3.

Now, if the service is bad, you can ask to speak to the manager. That's definitely a bigger pushback than leaving a scanty tip. When I was the manager at the Crowne Plaza hotel and handled the restaurant duties as well, when I got a complaint or concern about service, they were handled graciously and received comps. The server was retrained. But as the manager, unless I was called away to a different part of the hotel, I felt it was my duty to observe the service level and ensure it was up to the highest standards.

[AVGWarhawk]

It's necessary to have that for large parties because in many cases, a party of 8 will tip like a party of 3.


Which is odd because customary is 15% of the total bill. The bill would be greater for the larger group, yes?

[vienna]

I always tip well for services that are rendered well. I also make an effort to be very nice to wait staff; I would kind of like it if, at the end of the day, the person I was nice to thought, "Wow, what a hard day, but, you know there was that one nice customer..."...

I bartended at a rock club here in Hollywood in the mid-70s and had to suffer through the ego trips of many patrons, among them some celebrities, who seemed to think the world owed them everything for just being there. There were some good moments such as when a few members of Sha-Na-Na (!) came into the club. They were rather ill-treated by some of the "too cool for the room" rock wannabes in the club but, just after they left, their manager came back into the club and presented me with a $100 tip on behalf of the guys and said they thanked me for being nice to them during their visit. Back in the 70s, $100 was a goodly amount of money and I was happy to recieve the tip. Another person who was a bit of a regular was Keith Moon. He always came in and was just a great friend to everyone who worked at the club. He would always ask how I was doing and he really was sincere in asking. Once when I took a turn at running the door, there was was an altercation I was involved in and the manager and bouncer both grabbed the guy I had the hassle with and shoved him out the door and gave him a good thrashing. As I was trying to restore some order at the door, Moon suddenly appeared at my side, rolling up his sleeves, saying "I heard there was a fight, do you need any help?" I told him it was basically over and he asked if I was OK, and when I sais "Yes", he said just to let him know if there was any further problems and went back to his table in the club. When Moon went back to England, just before he left, he dropped by the club and gave each of the employees a gift as a thank you for treating him so well...

Those were things done by people who didn't have to do what they did and there were others who were just as nice and I remember them wll even after nearly 40 years. That's why I remember how I felt and when I am someplace where there is wait staff or bartenders, I try to treat them as I had wanted to be trated when I was in their situation...

<O>

[donna52522]

Why does the pastor only give 10% to God...shouldn't he give 110%?

[AVGWarhawk]

Why does the pastor only give 10% to God...shouldn't he give 110%?

The tithe is 10%. But, yes, I would think the pastor would give 110% figuratively speaking.

[Skybird]

I expect to be payed by the guy who employs me and for whom to work I accepted - and that is my employer, the company, boss, maitre de maison, whomever.

Tips are not meant to replace ordinary and regular income for the work done. They are meant as an additional bonus by a guests who is pleased by the good service and wants to say thanks and express his appreciations for some performance that has gone beyond the minimum standard niveau that has to be expected for the price that got payed to the house.

If an employer reduces the wages to his staff because he sees tips coming in for his staff, then he somewhat takes these guests' gifts to service staff for himself - by refusing the staff the wage that there work really is worth. You could pay the tip directly to the manager in the backroom then.

By this you can in principle justify that employers do not pay their employed staff any wages at all. That is the logic of a pimp, then. You could even argue then that employed people not only do not get payed out wages, but that they have to pay a certain amount of their tips to the employer for giving them the place where they could try to collect tips. Capitalism is great, isn't it.

Any economical structure and so: jobs as well should be established on the basis that somebody doing a normal regular weeks schedule of working hours gets payed a salary by his employer that is fair and enables him to make a living. Else the economic branch is unhealthy and rotten, and anti-social. In return, everybody taking money for his working hours should return working quality that justifies these payments. If the one or the other is not given, the employer fires the employed (work results do not justify the wages payed out), or the employed leaves by himself (wages payeddo not justify the work one delivers).

So, giving tips is not a compensation for the salaries the employer does not pay out. It is an extra gift given by the guest for appreciating the performance by staff.

To me, the situation as described - tips needing to compensate for too low wages - is nothing else but abusive behavior by the employer. It kills the intention of the guest. It does not motivate for "standard+better" performance by giving additional cash, but it enslaves people to perform always better without having any additional value for that. Because the added value gets substracted from their ordinary payment by their employer.

Almost a prototypic capitalistic constellation of abuse, imo. Ferenghis no doubt love it.

[fireftr18]

The tithe is 10%. But, yes, I would think the pastor would give 110% figuratively speaking.

And the way it seems, I bet she sits down and calculates exactly 10% and not a penny more.

vienna, it goes back to "The Golden Rule" that we're all taught. In other words, treat others as you would want to be treated.

[Cybermat47]

Why does the pastor only give 10% to God...shouldn't he give 110%?

More confusingly... why and how does he give money to God, who doesn't need it? :doh:

[Jimbuna]

More confusingly... why and how does he give money to God, who doesn't need it? :doh:

Says who?

[mookiemookie]

http://blog.chron.com/hottopics/2013/01/waitress-fired-after-posting-controversial-pastor-receipt-on-reddit/



I don't know, maybe it because the Almighty didn't bring you an omlette with toast and the waitress did. Cheap stiff :nope:

Maybe he should give God 20%...

Oh, man. One of my favorite subjects. How did I miss this?!

As an ex-server who's to be married to an ex-bartender, I have a lot of opinions on the subject.

The worst were the hardcore churchgoers who would tip you with their bible tracts.

http://media.twirlit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fake-bible-tip.jpg

If you ever want to enrage a server and ensure that you'll be eating spit or food that's fallen on the floor the next time you visit that particular restaurant, go ahead and leave that as your tip.

In my neck of the woods generally 8 or more the gratuity is automatically calculated. I'm not always a fan of this practice because it kind of provides the right for the server to handle the service how they wish while still receiving the automatic gratuity. In other words, you don't have a say(monetarily) if the service is bad.

USUALLY, the automatic grat can be removed upon request. There are some restaurants that make it a requirement, and it's posted very conspicuously near the door if that's the case.

It's necessary to have that for large parties because in many cases, a party of 8 will tip like a party of 3.
YES. This is exactly why the automatic grat system was initiated.

I expect to be payed by the guy who employs me and for whom to work I accepted - and that is my employer, the company, boss, maitre de maison, whomever.

Tips are not meant to replace ordinary and regular income for the work done. They are meant as an additional bonus by a guests who is pleased by the good service and wants to say thanks and express his appreciations for some performance that has gone beyond the minimum standard niveau that has to be expected for the price that got payed to the house.

If an employer reduces the wages to his staff because he sees tips coming in for his staff, then he somewhat takes these guests' gifts to service staff for himself - by refusing the staff the wage that there work really is worth. You could pay the tip directly to the manager in the backroom then.

By this you can in principle justify that employers do not pay their employed staff any wages at all. That is the logic of a pimp, then. You could even argue then that employed people not only do not get payed out wages, but that they have to pay a certain amount of their tips to the employer for giving them the place where they could try to collect tips. Capitalism is great, isn't it.

Any economical structure and so: jobs as well should be established on the basis that somebody doing a normal regular weeks schedule of working hours gets payed a salary by his employer that is fair and enables him to make a living. Else the economic branch is unhealthy and rotten, and anti-social. In return, everybody taking money for his working hours should return working quality that justifies these payments. If the one or the other is not given, the employer fires the employed (work results do not justify the wages payed out), or the employed leaves by himself (wages payeddo not justify the work one delivers).

So, giving tips is not a compensation for the salaries the employer does not pay out. It is an extra gift given by the guest for appreciating the performance by staff.

To me, the situation as described - tips needing to compensate for too low wages - is nothing else but abusive behavior by the employer. It kills the intention of the guest. It does not motivate for "standard+better" performance by giving additional cash, but it enslaves people to perform always better without having any additional value for that. Because the added value gets substracted from their ordinary payment by their employer.

Almost a prototypic capitalistic constellation of abuse, imo. Ferenghis no doubt love it.

Well Sky, it's a bit different over here. The prices on restaurant menus are cheaper here, because they're only the price for the food. The tip is the price you pay for the service. It's up to you, on the honor system, to determine how well the service was and what sort of tip is warranted. You can rail against the system and say it's not fair and the employer should pay more, blah blah, but it doesn't change anything. Those servers are relying on tips to live upon. The price of the service is not built into the menu price. So no, it's not an "extra" given out for good service. Maybe in Europe it is, but not here.

Once my brother, at a restaurant, asked the waitress no less than 5 times for ketchup. It never came. When he got up to leave he stated to waitress he left the tip under the ketchup. :03:

That's hilarious. Only one time have I been so pissed as to leave a $0.05 tip. I made sure it was $0.05 because I wanted her to know that I'm the type of guy who tips generously, but her service was only worth a nickel. When I have to go over to the coffee stand and pour my own coffee because I've asked for it multiple times to no avail, that's nickel-worthy service.

[HundertzehnGustav]

I expect to be payed by the guy who employs me and for whom to work I accepted - and that is my employer, the company, boss, maitre de maison, whomever.

Tips are not meant to replace ordinary and regular income for the work done. They are meant as an additional bonus by a guests who is pleased by the good service and wants to say thanks and express his appreciations for some performance that has gone beyond the minimum standard niveau that has to be expected for the price that got payed to the house.

If an employer reduces the wages to his staff because he sees tips coming in for his staff, then he somewhat takes these guests' gifts to service staff for himself - by refusing the staff the wage that there work really is worth. You could pay the tip directly to the manager in the backroom then.

By this you can in principle justify that employers do not pay their employed staff any wages at all. That is the logic of a pimp, then. You could even argue then that employed people not only do not get payed out wages, but that they have to pay a certain amount of their tips to the employer for giving them the place where they could try to collect tips. Capitalism is great, isn't it.

Any economical structure and so: jobs as well should be established on the basis that somebody doing a normal regular weeks schedule of working hours gets payed a salary by his employer that is fair and enables him to make a living. Else the economic branch is unhealthy and rotten, and anti-social. In return, everybody taking money for his working hours should return working quality that justifies these payments. If the one or the other is not given, the employer fires the employed (work results do not justify the wages payed out), or the employed leaves by himself (wages payeddo not justify the work one delivers).

So, giving tips is not a compensation for the salaries the employer does not pay out. It is an extra gift given by the guest for appreciating the performance by staff.

To me, the situation as described - tips needing to compensate for too low wages - is nothing else but abusive behavior by the employer. It kills the intention of the guest. It does not motivate for "standard+better" performance by giving additional cash, but it enslaves people to perform always better without having any additional value for that. Because the added value gets substracted from their ordinary payment by their employer.

Almost a prototypic capitalistic constellation of abuse, imo.

signed.

One works for a living. Local culture describes "tips" as small personal gifts, signs for appreciation as well.

I do so well on that new IT job, i can use the tips to pay half my food.
It is good, because 86% of the pay is needed to pay the basic Bills.

[Cybermat47]

Says who?

Well I'd assume an omnipresent being who made everything wouldn't need money because he could just make anything he wanted.

[HundertzehnGustav]

and the richer the customer, the lousier the tip.
we charge 150 balls for a reinstall [OS + drivers + updates + set of desired software] + installation at home, checks and configuration

i had a customer do me a reinstall, and he came over to pester me 5 times, costing me two hours of attention, he hung around the workshop looking over my shoulder, and still requiring more explanations.

reinstall + home install =150
2 hours of explanations locally = 2x60 = 120
Normal = 270

what he got billed: 170 [100 off, just to get rid of him]
my tip: 10
[so you know i can come back to you and ask a few questions here and there, and you will help me, will you :03:]

he came back, handed me his LuxTrust online certificate dongle knowing he should not, and i "inadvertedly" called his bank stating i had his dongle and his PIN, as i am trying to resolve an issue.
They were mad and locked his accounts.

OOPS.
:haha:

GTFO...:rotfl2:

[Madox58]

Well I'd assume an omnipresent being who made everything wouldn't need money because he could just make anything he wanted.
Counterfeiting is against the law!
I don't think anyone here can show a law on the books that says God can do it and it's O.K.
(I'm being just as serious as you. LOL!!)

[Sailor Steve]

There's no official government record to show that God made anything.

Is he guilty of contracting without a license? :O:

[Cybermat47]

There's no official government record to show that God made anything.

Is he guilty of contracting without a license? :O:

Oh no, I've been helping an illegal! :o

[Sailor Steve]

Oh no, I've been helping an illegal! :o
Come to think of it, you may be right. I've never seen any citizenship papers, for America or Austalia. Does He even have an Israeli birth certificate?

They say he was registered in the Roman rolls, but I've never seen it!

[Madox58]

There's no official government record to show that God made anything.

Is he guilty of contracting without a license? :O:

No. God is referenced in the phrase "In God We Trust"
That, in a Court of law, could be argued as admitting that God exists and that we entered into a trust with said person or being.
The additional "All others pay cash" is to be added sometime later this year.

[Takeda Shingen]

The worst were the hardcore churchgoers who would tip you with their bible tracts.

http://media.twirlit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fake-bible-tip.jpg

If you ever want to enrage a server and ensure that you'll be eating spit or food that's fallen on the floor the next time you visit that particular restaurant, go ahead and leave that as your tip.

Wow. Lame, just lame. Thou shalt not tip, I suppose.

[August]

There's no official government record to show that God made anything.

Is he guilty of contracting without a license? :O:

Maybe but the statue of limitations would surely have run out by now being between 5000 and a gazillion years ago depending on who is counting.

Obviously he has not chosen to exercise any copyrights against the scientists fiddling with DNA trying to create new life. :)

[Madox58]

He never filed copyrights so can't fight on that.
No patents on record I can find.
Though he could maybe file defamation or slander Law suits.
:hmmm:

He's a sure winner for those cases if he shows up in Court, in person!

[August]

He never filed copyrights so can't fight on that.
No patents on record I can find.
Though he could maybe file defamation or slander Law suits.
:hmmm:

He's a sure winner for those cases if he shows up in Court, in person!

:)

"There's no point in acting all surprised about it. The plans and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning office in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you've had plenty of time to lodge formal complaints."

[Madox58]

Vogon planning.
:har:
:up:

[Sailor Steve]

He never filed copyrights so can't fight on He's a sure winner for those cases if he shows up in Court, in person!
Well, you know the old joke:

God finally gets so upset he tells the Devil He's going to take him to court. The Devil says "You'll lose."

God asks "What makes you think so?"

Satan answers "Where are you going to find a lawyer?"

[Platapus]

More confusingly... why and how does he give money to God, who doesn't need it? :doh:

Perhaps god has a paypal account?

[Onkel Neal]

I expect to be payed by the guy who employs me and for whom to work I accepted - and that is my employer, the company, boss, maitre de maison, whomever.

Tips are not meant to replace ordinary and regular income for the work done. They are meant as an additional bonus by a guests who is pleased by the good service and wants to say thanks and express his appreciations for some performance that has gone beyond the minimum standard niveau that has to be expected for the price that got payed to the house.

That's the way is should be, imo. I really do not care for the way servers are paid substandard wages by the establishment and have to rely on tips to make up the difference.

[Jimbuna]

That's the way is should be, imo. I really do not care for the way servers are paid substandard wages by the establishment and have to rely on tips to make up the difference.

As ot is here in the UK

[Skybird]

You may not care, Neal. Like the customer doe snot care that when he buys his textiles ultra-cheap in a budget chain shop, he supports child labour and slavery sales to women in Bangladesh who work 14 hours a day for an apple and an egg without any social insurance, working place safety and so more. Such a customer also doers not care what he supports in bad things.

But both examples remain to be illustrations for the predatory and inhumane nature of capitalism if it is being let off the chain and is allowed to unfold unregulated and uncontrolled, and both examples illustrate unethical behavior by customers. You do not care for the exploitation of employees, and the other guy does not care for slave saleries and child work.

You shouldn't tip the servicestaff, Neal. Give the tip to the manager in the backroom instead. That keeps his employees hungry and working harder for lesser money. :yeah:

[Jimbuna]

^ not sure if something has been lost in translation but you do realise Neal was supporting your viewpoint...yes?

[Sailor Steve]

Yes, obviously translation problems. In this case "I do not care for the way servers are paid substandard wages" doesn't mean he doesn't care about it, but that he doesn't like it. It's an oddity of English that is sometimes easy to misunderstand.

[Onkel Neal]

You may not care, Neal. Like the customer doe snot care that when he buys his textiles ultra-cheap in a budget chain shop, he supports child labour and slavery sales to women in Bangladesh who work 14 hours a day for an apple and an egg without any social insurance, working place safety and so more. Such a customer also doers not care what he supports in bad things.

But both examples remain to be illustrations for the predatory and inhumane nature of capitalism if it is being let off the chain and is allowed to unfold unregulated and uncontrolled, and both examples illustrate unethical behavior by customers. You do not care for the exploitation of employees, and the other guy does not care for slave saleries and child work.

You shouldn't tip the servicestaff, Neal. Give the tip to the manager in the backroom instead. That keeps his employees hungry and working harder for lesser money. :yeah:


I totally do not understand what you are trying to say? :06: Maybe you misunderstand me, what I mean when I said I don't care for is I do not like

Would you like some tea?
No, I don't care for it.

I really do not like the way servers are paid substandard wages by the establishment and have to rely on tips to make up the difference.

[Targor Avelany]

people talk about proper, morality, fairness - we even have political correctness for that - and nevertheless 75% of the population only means self righteousness when they talk about those things.. Not actually believing in them whatsoever.

sad...

[Skybird]

I totally do not understand what you are trying to say? :06: Maybe you misunderstand me, what I mean when I said I don't care for is I do not like

Would you like some tea?
No, I don't care for it.

I really do not like the way servers are paid substandard wages by the establishment and have to rely on tips to make up the difference.

Forgive me, Neal. I indeed had a very hard time to imagine what you wanted to say, both sentences to me were very contradictory, and I passed twice over the course of this day to write an answer, until on the third attempt I finally did - when I decided to interpret you the way I finally did.

Which obviously was the wrong interpretation.

Completely my own fault: my English capabilities failed me there. Sorry.

Note to myself: must add the phrase "I do not care" to my list of contemporary idioms. :know:

[Onkel Neal]

Hey, no problem. You know I am pro-business, but surely not to that extent :) Capitalism and market economies require fair treatment of workers to ensure success. I do not like the system where restaurant businesses are allowed to pay wait staff and servers $2.10 an hour and expect them to make it up in tips. Now, most servers do make well over minimum wage in tips and base pay, but I can sympathize with a server when the get stiffed by cheapskates. It's thanks to honest customers who will tip good service that they are able to survive, I don't care for non-tipping customers who expect you and me to do all the tipping.

And just to reiterate, the phrase is "I do not care for ...."

[HunterICX]

I usually leave the coin change on the tray when they return after having paid the bill.

HunterICX

[GT182]

There are eateries that 'pool' tips, and they're split with the waitstaff and cooks. Why the cooks I don't know as they make more money than the waitstaff.

I've even seen some places where the owner takes the tips keeps a part of them, then splits them among the workers. And I've seen him punched in the mouth for doing that, by a customer after he found out what was going on. :D True story, but it happened back in the 80s where my ex worked.