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Johnfb
01-31-13, 03:43 PM
I downloaded the enigma application and tried it out last night...really good program which actually decodes messages found on the net from real messages during the war.
tricky to get used to but great fun messing around with it

Anyone else try this program?
Troublous_Haze
01-31-13, 03:58 PM
I downloaded the enigma application and tried it out last night...really good program which actually decodes messages found on the net from real messages during the war.
tricky to get used to but great fun messing around with it

Anyone else try this program?

I did, all variants from 3 to 4 rottor settings. Nice toy nowadays, serious headache for allies during ww2.
palatum
01-31-13, 05:39 PM
Yeah, it's good fun. There are a few enigma simulation apps on google play. One free, which allows you to copy and paste text into the sim.
I have an Enigma-E simulator (http://www.cryptomuseum.com/kits/) but I havent assembled it yet...

There really should be an Enigma mod, where you get orders/messages in code :-)
fitzcarraldo
01-31-13, 06:13 PM
Yeah, it's good fun. There are a few enigma simulation apps on google play. One free, which allows you to copy and paste text into the sim.
I have anhttp://www.cryptomuseum.com/kits/ Enigma-E simulator (but I havent assembled it yet...)

There really should be an Enigma mod, where you get orders/messages in code :-)

Where can I buy this replica, but assembled?

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:
palatum
01-31-13, 06:47 PM
I dont know if they are sold as finished products. But it is not hard to put together, after what I have seen in my manual. Some basic soldering, but apart from that, it is just putting the right parts in the right place :)
Johnfb
02-01-13, 06:13 AM
There really should be an Enigma mod, where you get orders/messages in code :-)

That would be class alright...something to do on those long patrols while waiting for a ship.
Troublous_Haze
02-01-13, 06:18 AM
That would be class alright...something to do on those long patrols while waiting for a ship.

I can send you crypted message if this will make your day :88)
Johnfb
02-01-13, 06:35 AM
I can send you crypted message if this will make your day :88)

I think you just did....:har:
Johnfb
02-01-13, 06:35 AM
http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm
Troublous_Haze
02-01-13, 06:36 AM
http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm

Yes, this is the one I use
Johnfb
02-01-13, 06:39 AM
Yes, this is the one I use


Have you tried to decode any of the files from the huge selection by Karles...there are messages from every month of every year of the war in there.

Link:

ftp://hartmuthaas.no-ip.org/public/Sharing/SH3COMMUNITYMODS/ERIC%20KARLE/
Troublous_Haze
02-01-13, 06:42 AM
Have you tried to decode any of the files from the huge selection by Karles...there are messages from every month of every year of the war in there.

Yes I did during my practicing.
Troublous_Haze
02-01-13, 06:47 AM
ftp://hartmuthaas.no-ip.org/public/Sharing/SH3COMMUNITYMODS/ERIC%20KARLE/

Needs username and password to login.
Johnfb
02-01-13, 06:50 AM
Needs username and password to login.


Sorry Troublous thought you had access to this members area.
Tonnes of mods here for you to look at


Username: Maik
Password: Woelfe

Enjoy


John :up:
Johnfb
02-01-13, 06:52 AM
Yes I did during my practicing.


Were they worth having a look at? Realistic and actual or just made up messages?
Troublous_Haze
02-01-13, 06:53 AM
Still can't login
Johnfb
02-01-13, 07:15 AM
Still can't login

Keep trying it can be very slow, make sure you type in password etc not copy and paste, with caps where needed. But took me ages to get into it too. You will get in eventually.
Troublous_Haze
02-01-13, 07:22 AM
Johnfb 1440/1/1/20

BYRH KGQR PPVO JIYU NJKW RCKP TTAG EZCU MHMU OSNL
XOPD NMHY ASXI VARD AGQM ZJDK GQSN VVCA MFYN EZMA



http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3070/clipboardb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/clipboardb.jpg/)

Here's the message for ya :arrgh!:
fitzcarraldo
02-01-13, 07:54 AM
I dont know if they are sold as finished products. But it is not hard to put together, after what I have seen in my manual. Some basic soldering, but apart from that, it is just putting the right parts in the right place :)

Many thanks!

The kit includes all the needed, with the buttons and wheels? In the Museum site there isn´t clear information...

Best regards,

Fitzcarraldo :salute:
Johnfb
02-01-13, 08:48 AM
Johnfb 1440/1/1/20

BYRH KGQR PPVO JIYU NJKW RCKP TTAG EZCU MHMU OSNL
XOPD NMHY ASXI VARD AGQM ZJDK GQSN VVCA MFYN EZMA



http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3070/clipboardb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/clipboardb.jpg/)

Here's the message for ya :arrgh!:


I am only learning how to use the machine
Can you give me a little help here.

What are you using? Whermacht, Kreigsmarine set up?

Can you give me the day (Tag), rotor selection and order (Walzenlage), ring setting (Ringstellung),plug connections (Steckerverbindungen) and identification groups (Kenngruppen) to help me out .
Thanks
Troublous_Haze
02-01-13, 08:59 AM
Kriegsmarine M4 - UKW = B

everything else is in the codesheet
Johnfb
02-01-13, 09:12 AM
Kriegsmarine M4 - UKW = B

everything else is in the codesheet


:oops:

Sorry but maybe my brain is not in gear at the moment but what is this pertaining to: 1440/1/1/20 :hmm2:

I understand the set up from the sheet but need the day I am to get the rest of the set up from

Thanks :oops:
palatum
02-01-13, 10:15 AM
Many thanks!

The kit includes all the needed, with the buttons and wheels? In the Museum site there isn´t clear information...

Best regards,

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

It is an electronic version, with everything you need to assemble it included. The wheels are replaced with LCD figures, but otherwise i think it is quite similar. It doesn't come with a box, though, but it shouldn't be hard to make.

I'll try to upload a picture of my kit later today :-)
palatum
02-01-13, 11:55 AM
:oops:

Sorry but maybe my brain is not in gear at the moment but what is this pertaining to: 1440/1/1/20 :hmm2:

I understand the set up from the sheet but need the day I am to get the rest of the set up from

Thanks :oops:

The codesheet is for february 2013, walzenlage, ringstellung, steckerverbindung is listed for today's date :)
Grund is starting position of the rotors.

1440 is the time
1/1 I am not sure of this...1. of the month, and first message maybe?
20 is number of groups in the message

Good luck, someone will be proud of you:salute:
Johnfb
02-01-13, 12:01 PM
The codesheet is for february 2013, walzenlage, ringstellung, steckerverbindung is listed for today's date :)
Grund is starting position of the rotors.

1440 is the time
1/1 I am not sure of this...1. of the month, and first message maybe?
20 is number of groups in the message

Good luck, someone will be proud of you:salute:

:rock::yeah::salute::up:
fitzcarraldo
02-01-13, 12:02 PM
It is an electronic version, with everything you need to assemble it included. The wheels are replaced with LCD figures, but otherwise i think it is quite similar. It doesn't come with a box, though, but it shouldn't be hard to make.

I'll try to upload a picture of my kit later today :-)

OK, many thanks!

Fitzcarraldo :salute:
Johnfb
02-01-13, 12:20 PM
Johnfb 1440/1/1/20

BYRH KGQR PPVO JIYU NJKW RCKP TTAG EZCU MHMU OSNL
XOPD NMHY ASXI VARD AGQM ZJDK GQSN VVCA MFYN EZMA





Here's the message for ya :arrgh!:


Well its nice to know there is someone who is proud of me.....that was really cool....thanks great machine.....:yeah::D
Johnfb
02-01-13, 06:46 PM
YRRF EKGU IOIO WQOU IVPA WQNV



================================================== =


ACHTUNG! UKW C mit Gamma auf startposition A = Kriegsmarine M3 mit UKW C
Tag 29

Kreigsmarine M4 UKW = C


GEHEIM! JOHNFB FEBRUAR 2013

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|Tag | Walzenlage | Ringstellung | Steckerverbindungen | Grund |
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 29 | Gamma I III V | 01 15 20 18 | AI CP DG EM FL HZ JY KQ RT UX | IWFJ |
| 28 | Gamma VI IV V | 01 04 04 15 | BY CK DJ EH GS IO MN RU TV WX | ZUWE |
| 27 | Gamma I VI VIII | 01 26 26 07 | AB CR DT EK FJ HS IM LY PV QU | KLYL |
| 26 | Gamma I II III | 01 14 15 24 | BF CS DJ EM HV IP KL OZ QX RW | ISQS |
| 25 | Gamma II III VIII | 01 09 11 02 | AY BN CJ DG EH FW IX KU MT RZ | HYAA |
| 24 | Gamma VIII II V | 01 22 12 07 | AP BO CN DT EW FX JM LS QZ VY | LSHQ |
| 23 | Gamma VII I VIII | 01 26 24 25 | AO BX DG ET FS HM IJ NW PV RZ | HSKH |
| 22 | Gamma I IV V | 01 18 07 09 | AC BH DL IV JZ KU MO RS TX WY | YBNZ |
| 21 | Gamma IV I II | 01 10 16 25 | AL CP DQ EK GX IS JW MR OY VZ | XMRX |
| 20 | Gamma VI II IV | 01 04 07 22 | AY BS CG DR FV HT KX LU NP QW | EXVF |
| 19 | Gamma II VII V | 01 22 10 16 | AQ BU CE DT FG IX KL MS OV PW | DAEP |
| 18 | Gamma I II VII | 01 14 14 12 | BP CX DJ EY FW GS HK IQ LV RT | KMZD |
| 17 | Gamma V I VII | 01 01 21 09 | AP EW FZ GY HM IR JV KX LS QU | WEWY |
| 16 | Gamma VI III VII | 01 26 25 16 | BE CI DU FO GS HZ KX MY PR QW | BRNC |
| 15 | Gamma IV II VI | 01 18 08 04 | AD ES FJ GU HI KM NQ OZ TY VW | PJJB |
| 14 | Gamma VII I V | 01 07 19 23 | AR BF CE DW GV HU JS KP LM TY | UMTM |
| 13 | Gamma V VIII VI | 01 12 21 01 | AK BU DF EL GH MP OQ SX TV WZ | BEMZ |
| 12 | Gamma VIII V I | 01 01 12 01 | AH BY CI GJ KO LN MZ PW SV TX | DNYT |
| 11 | Gamma I V VII | 01 25 12 13 | AN BD CY EQ FJ GP HL IK OV TU | PVEQ |
| 10 | Gamma VIII II I | 01 22 14 09 | AR BN CY DF ET GP JM OU VZ WX | DRPJ |
| 09 | Gamma VIII IV I | 01 13 26 11 | AY BO CE DT FZ HU JN LX MR QV | ZORN |
| 08 | Gamma IV VI V | 01 11 05 15 | AT CR DO EU GY HQ IJ LW MX NS | IPUN |
| 07 | Gamma I VIII IV | 01 13 16 05 | AI BQ CP DJ FU GZ LX MT NY RS | GVDI |
| 06 | Gamma VII VIII VI | 01 25 22 04 | AD BG CO EX FQ IL KP MY SZ TU | HAPP |
| 05 | Gamma V II III | 01 24 13 09 | AO BI CN ET FW GJ HL KR MU VX | VTQP |
| 04 | Gamma IV VII VIII | 01 09 20 18 | AB CQ EP FU GY IS KW MN OX RT | GFWX |
| 03 | Gamma VII IV III | 01 01 14 02 | BZ CJ DL EP FM HU IK OS QV RW | XCLO |
| 02 | Gamma I VI II | 01 04 10 22 | AD BM EI FU HP JY LZ NQ OW SX | RYER |
| 01 | Gamma III VI II | 01 03 12 21 | AD BG CT FP HU IL KX OS QW RZ | CWCO |
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Troublous_Haze
02-03-13, 06:46 AM
Nice try, but Kriegsmarine M3 has only three rotors if not to count in UKW.

Nor I understood what this part supposed to mean: ACHTUNG! UKW C mit Gamma auf startposition A = Kriegsmarine M3 mit UKW C
Tag 29

Kreigsmarine M4 UKW = C
Johnfb
02-03-13, 11:52 AM
Nice try, but Kriegsmarine M3 has only three rotors if not to count in UKW.

Nor I understood what this part supposed to mean: ACHTUNG! UKW C mit Gamma auf startposition A = Kriegsmarine M3 mit UKW C
Tag 29

Kreigsmarine M4 UKW = C

The achtung part came with the copy and paste from the code creator.
I am using m4 use=c
Tag 29 is the day I used to get the code for the message and starting positions
Troublous_Haze
02-03-13, 12:00 PM
it is anyway a mess.. redo it in a proper Kriegsmarine format or I'm not interested :O:
Johnfb
02-03-13, 02:03 PM
it is anyway a mess.. redo it in a proper Kriegsmarine format or I'm not interested :O:

:hmmm:

I take it English is not your first language then?
Troublous_Haze
02-03-13, 02:08 PM
:hmmm:

I take it English is not your first language then?

You guest it right :salute:
Johnfb
02-03-13, 02:12 PM
You guest it right :salute:


Es tut mir leid. Ich bin jetzt in Arbeit. Vielleicht morgen für das.

Tschuss und bis bald
Troublous_Haze
02-03-13, 03:10 PM
Es tut mir leid. Ich bin jetzt in Arbeit. Vielleicht morgen für das.

Tschuss und bis bald

Nor that German is my native, but i understood you as well. With time you will improve your skills on Enigma, just don't let it go when you face first difficulties. If you need help just ask me, and don't worry about my cold approach I'm always like that.
Johnfb
02-03-13, 03:19 PM
Nor that German is my native, but i understood you as well. With time you will improve your skills on Enigma, just don't let it go when you face first difficulties. If you need help just ask me, and don't worry about my cold approach I'm always like that.

Apologies...I felt that the way you worded you sentence, grammatically, you were German...apologies.


and don't worry about my cold approach I'm always like that.

:up:
Troublous_Haze
02-03-13, 03:28 PM
Perhaps you would agree on my codesheet of this month and day to continue Enigma based disscussion. I believe it would be possitive to your learnings on mastering the Enigma.

I could teach you the basics of Kriesgmarine Enigma standarts as much as I'm capable at.
Johnfb
02-03-13, 03:42 PM
Perhaps you would agree on my codesheet of this month and day to continue Enigma based disscussion. I believe it would be possitive to your learnings on mastering the Enigma.

I could teach you the basics of Kriesgmarine Enigma standarts as much as I'm capable at.

Yes, that sounds good.:up:
I am in work right now and do not have my laptop with decoder on it but will continue to try to send you a coded message tomorrow.
LemonA
02-04-13, 03:07 PM
Have you tried to decode any of the files from the huge selection by Karles...there are messages from every month of every year of the war in there.
http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/challenge.htm ???
Johnfb
02-04-13, 05:31 PM
Perhaps you would agree on my codesheet of this month and day to continue Enigma based disscussion. I believe it would be possitive to your learnings on mastering the Enigma.

I could teach you the basics of Kriesgmarine Enigma standarts as much as I'm capable at.


Day 29

ESJO KTOW ODUK EYHX FMHW BPUB PSOI
Johnfb
02-04-13, 05:31 PM
http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/challenge.htm ???


:yeah:
Troublous_Haze
02-05-13, 04:43 AM
Day 29

ESJO KTOW ODUK EYHX FMHW BPUB PSOI


Johnfb 1142/5/2 17

LFJJ FZLZ RPQG LBCO AISA FFGD CQFU DVXP JIWV KEZL
GEBM DSPK PNOO QPUB IACF USNA NMRS
Troublous_Haze
02-05-13, 04:45 AM
Perhaps I should encode those letters to morse code for even more "fun" :haha:
Johnfb
02-05-13, 11:13 AM
Perhaps I should encode those letters to morse code for even more "fun" :haha:


:nope: :O:
Johnfb
02-05-13, 04:33 PM
Johnfb 1142/5/2 17

LFJJ FZLZ RPQG LBCO AISA FFGD CQFU DVXP JIWV KEZL
GEBM DSPK PNOO QPUB IACF USNA NMRS


I have tried to decode this message twice with no luck... got exactly the same garbled message both times.....:/\\!!






http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3070/clipboardb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/clipboardb.jpg/)
Troublous_Haze
02-06-13, 01:40 AM
Did you used day 5 settings ? :)
Johnfb
02-06-13, 05:30 AM
Did you used day 5 settings ? :)

Of course not ...I am a fool....:oops::/\\!!...
Finally understand the way you give the info
Used 17 as day rather than that showing amount of blocks...

Ok
got it now.....:know:
Johnfb
02-06-13, 05:36 AM
Perhaps I should encode those letters to morse code for even more "fun" :haha:


Decoded it ..finally...yes your message was quite correct considering how long it took me to decode....:har:
Troublous_Haze
02-06-13, 06:34 AM
Johnfb 1334/6/3 15

ACDE EKXI SLRU BBCM XISA UKVC WWUF NZRC VBTC HCBP
LVWA OHWR MBKN UVGP ACDE
Johnfb
02-06-13, 09:26 AM
Johnfb 1334/6/3 15

ACDE EKXI SLRU BBCM XISA UKVC WWUF NZRC VBTC HCBP
LVWA OHWR MBKN UVGP ACDE


Day 6 ?
Troublous_Haze
02-06-13, 11:19 AM
Day 6 ?

Yes, but I believe you already tried day six with no luck :)

Look at the encoded message closely again and tell me what is odd in it.
Johnfb
02-07-13, 05:01 AM
Yes, but I believe you already tried day six with no luck :)

Look at the encoded message closely again and tell me what is odd in it.

I expected a third line of code....if 6/3/15 is correct
Troublous_Haze
02-07-13, 05:07 AM
I expected a third line of code....if 6/3/15 is correct

Yes but the secret lies in other place. Focus on the code itself you should spot something that is different as in previous codes
Johnfb
02-07-13, 07:44 AM
Yes but the secret lies in other place. Focus on the code itself you should spot something that is different as in previous codes

Yes cracked it."managed" it finally
Troublous_Haze
02-07-13, 09:18 AM
Yes cracked it."managed" it finally

What was the message ?
Johnfb
02-07-13, 11:34 AM
What was the message ?

Do you not believe me?

I highlighted the word "managed" as this was in the message about the double code.....
Troublous_Haze
02-07-13, 11:36 AM
Do you not believe me?

I highlighted the word "managed" as this was in the message about the double code.....

Just a "Trust but control" thing. Did you done it by yourself or somebody helped you ? :)
Johnfb
02-07-13, 11:39 AM
Just a "Trust but control" thing. Did you done it by yourself or somebody helped you ? :)

:down:
I have had enough of your smart ass comments...initially I put your crappy attitude down to English not being your fist language but I would think you are as obnoxious in your native tongue too.
Goodbye

PS: Make sure you reply to this to get the last word in...it would seem important to you....pfftt...
Troublous_Haze
02-07-13, 11:46 AM
It was an ordinary question :) The way you reacted makes me wonder about you being honest with me or not. I guess you know the answer better then me. Take care :shucks:
LemonA
02-08-13, 06:42 AM
Johnfb 1334/6/3 15

ACDE EKXI SLRU BBCM XISA UKVC WWUF NZRC VBTC HCBP
LVWA OHWR MBKN UVGP ACDE

Troubl-H 1209/08/02 40
KKAY FZNE UOXR FMEK VIUC IKNE PSTH FGOZ
PFLF MWTN MSQO VZHZ DKSQ IQXO KZFM EUHT
TZLN UUGH BZDM SDOW SFKV YFRI LIOA DZIX
CAOD IISG TLSC BWBR DTMV PIZY LFET IMJS
ZMIA UDLU ZKZC FEHO QQRL QEZU HMDK A

Radio operator U-43
Johnfb
02-10-13, 03:27 PM
Troubl-H 1209/08/02 40
KKAY FZNE UOXR FMEK VIUC IKNE PSTH FGOZ
PFLF MWTN MSQO VZHZ DKSQ IQXO KZFM EUHT
TZLN UUGH BZDM SDOW SFKV YFRI LIOA DZIX
CAOD IISG TLSC BWBR DTMV PIZY LFET IMJS
ZMIA UDLU ZKZC FEHO QQRL QEZU HMDK A

Radio operator U-43

Please don't feed the troll
Takeda Shingen
02-10-13, 06:25 PM
Please don't feed the troll

The troll has been keelhauled. Nothing left to feed.
Johnfb
02-10-13, 07:20 PM
The troll has been keelhauled. Nothing left to feed.


:yeah::up::salute::haha::D:rock:
DesertGhost
03-31-13, 10:56 AM
Well I just started puzzling with the enigma simulator myself, but I can't seem to break Troublous Haze's last message:

Johnfb 1334/6/3 15

ACDE EKXI SLRU BBCM XISA UKVC WWUF NZRC VBTC HCBP
LVWA OHWR MBKN UVGP ACDE

Any tips for this enigma rookie :oops: because I now really want to know what it says :doh:
Johnfb
03-31-13, 01:04 PM
Well I just started puzzling with the enigma simulator myself, but I can't seem to break Troublous Haze's last message:

Johnfb 1334/6/3 15

ACDE EKXI SLRU BBCM XISA UKVC WWUF NZRC VBTC HCBP
LVWA OHWR MBKN UVGP ACDE

Any tips for this enigma rookie :oops: because I now really want to know what it says :doh:


:)

Well you have to look at the code itself....first clue...both the first and last group are the same letters....try again and I will help you more if you need it.......took me a while too but it is fairly easy once you work it out.
DesertGhost
03-31-13, 02:04 PM
:)

Well you have to look at the code itself....first clue...both the first and last group are the same letters....try again and I will help you more if you need it.......took me a while too but it is fairly easy once you work it out.

Thanks for the quick reply.
I did notice this but wasn't sure what to do with this information, but when I thought again after your tip I remembered a thing from the enigma simulator manual and voila that seemed to do the trick.
So thank you for the tip :up: I now can say that I master the Enigma :O: (for so far)
Johnfb
03-31-13, 02:54 PM
Thanks for the quick reply.
I did notice this but wasn't sure what to do with this information, but when I thought again after your tip I remembered a thing from the enigma simulator manual and voila that seemed to do the trick.
So thank you for the tip :up: I now can say that I master the Enigma :O: (for so far)


:rock::salute: