View Full Version : First we had the "birthers". Now we have the "skeeters"
Platapus
01-29-13, 07:59 PM
So because the POTUS never mentioned shooting skeet, there is now some conspiracy? :doh:
Where is The Donald demanding to see the President's clay pigeons?
Clearly the POTUS has something to hide and thank goodness we have loyal Americans like Blackburn to ferret out the truth about Skeetgate. :yep:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/28/dubious-congresswoman-challenges-obama-to-skeet-shooting-match/
Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tennessee, joined a chorus of skeptics who questioned President Barack Obama's recent comments about his hobby of skeet shooting, a sport where participants fire shotguns to break airborne clay disks.
"If he is a skeet shooter, why have we not heard of this? Why have we not seen photos? Why hasn't he referenced this at any point in time?" Blackburn said Monday on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront."
"I tell you what I do think," she later added. "I think he should invite me to Camp David, and I'll go skeet shooting with him and I bet I'll beat him."
Obama said in an interview published Sunday by The New Republic that he won't ignore the concerns of hunters and sportsmen as his administration pushes for tighter gun laws. To illustrate his point, he added an anecdote (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/27/gun-owners-wont-be-forgotten-in-debate-obama-says/?hpt=hp_t4) about his previously unknown penchant for shooting.
"Up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time," he said, responding to a question about whether he had ever fired a gun. He also added he has included guests on his skeet shooting outings.
Some found the comments puzzling and wondered why he hadn't mentioned his gun experience in the high-profile firearm debate over the past six weeks. The remarks especially fired up some conservative blogs and news outlets.
"We had this debate that is ongoing," Blackburn said. "You would have thought it would have been a point of reference."
When asked by Jessica Yellin, CNN's chief White House correspondent, how often the president goes skeet shooting, White House press secretary Jay Carney said earlier Monday that he doesn't know.
"He does go to Camp David with some regularity, but I'm not sure how often he's done that," Carney said during the daily press briefing.
Pressed further if there was a photograph of the president taking part in the sport, Carney said "There may be, but I haven't seen it."
"Why haven't we heard about it before?" Yellin continued.
"Because when he goes to Camp David, he goes to spend time with his family and friends and relax, not to produce photographs," Carney said.
I smell a House Investigation. The public has a right to know!:stare:
Cybermat47
01-29-13, 08:04 PM
Where's the part of the constitution that says that people have to show other people photos of their private times with family? :06:
Takeda Shingen
01-29-13, 08:06 PM
Someone go see if Ken Starr is available.
Platapus
01-29-13, 08:07 PM
Where's the part of the constitution that says that people have to show other people photos of their private times with family? :06:
It is in the same paragraph that requires public servants to give their birth certificates to the press. :D
Cybermat47
01-29-13, 08:11 PM
It is in the same paragraph that requires public servants to give their birth certificates to the press. :D
Ah, I see. Thank you.
Ducimus
01-29-13, 08:16 PM
Can't say i give a crap if he shoots skeet or not, though I would be surprised if he knew which end of the bangstick projectiles and loud noise comes out of. Being part of the gun community (hard not to in Utah), you can usually spot someone who doesn't know what their talking about very quickly. The instant i hear, "bullets" and "Clips", my BS alarm goes off.
Sailor Steve
01-29-13, 09:13 PM
It is in the same paragraph that requires public servants to give their birth certificates to the press. :D
Actually that one's in there.
Cybermat47
01-29-13, 09:17 PM
I just realised that Platapus was being sarcastic :/\\!!
If he isn't actually being sarcastic then double :/\\!!
Can't say i give a crap if he shoots skeet or not, though I would be surprised if he knew which end of the bangstick projectiles and loud noise comes out of. Being part of the gun community (hard not to in Utah), you can usually spot someone who doesn't know what their talking about very quickly. The instant i hear, "bullets" and "Clips", my BS alarm goes off.
Yeah and this sudden penchant for skeet shooting is such an obvious lie that somebody should call him on it. Meaningless or not you know that the media would have been all over it if a Republican had told a similar whopper.
Platapus
01-31-13, 07:27 PM
Actually that one's in there.
I would be very interested in you citing where in the Constitution it requires public servants to give their birth certificates to the press.
Sailor Steve
01-31-13, 09:44 PM
I would be very interested in you citing where in the Constitution it requires public servants to give their birth certificates to the press.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen
No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
For a person to enter the office described, he or she must provide proper documentation. The Constitution doesn't say to whom said documentation must be provided, so the final default is the people. The people are represented by elected officials and appointed judges, but the final stop is right here. No, a birth certificate isn't specifically named, but what is the final proof of both citizenship and age? Everything always comes back to the birth certificate, and every citizen may be required to show one in certain dealings with the government.
Oh, the press? While they don't always live up to it, the press are the best watchdogs over government dealings. They really do represent us, when they do the job right. An official can't go around showing his documentation to everyone who asks, so he shows it to the elected or appointed authorities. When the people demand proof, he shows it to the press.
Also, in case you didn't know, I'm not even remotely a Birther. I cheerfully ignored all the hubbub, and when Obama did come up with a birth certificate I said "Well. There you go."
TLAM Strike
01-31-13, 09:56 PM
Obama probably meant that he played the 'Game C' in Duck Hunt... :hmmm:
Stealhead
01-31-13, 10:12 PM
For a person to enter the office described, he or she must provide proper documentation. The Constitution doesn't say to whom said documentation must be provided, so the final default is the people. The people are represented by elected officials and appointed judges, but the final stop is right here. No, a birth certificate isn't specifically named, but what is the final proof of both citizenship and age? Everything always comes back to the birth certificate, and every citizen may be required to show one in certain dealings with the government.
Oh, the press? While they don't always live up to it, the press are the best watchdogs over government dealings. They really do represent us, when they do the job right. An official can't go around showing his documentation to everyone who asks, so he shows it to the elected or appointed authorities. When the people demand proof, he shows it to the press.
Also, in case you didn't know, I'm not even remotely a Birther. I cheerfully ignored all the hubbub, and when Obama did come up with a birth certificate I said "Well. There you go."
I assume that there must be some federal law somewhere that further specifies how a candidate proves their eligibility for office.
Of course by showing it to the press you confirm things.
Penguin
02-01-13, 12:00 PM
Bama never showed pictures of him making love to Michelle - nor did he ever mention it. I think his kids are adopted! :huh:
Bama never showed pictures of him making love to Michelle - nor did he ever mention it. I think his kids are adopted! :huh:
Well maybe they are and maybe they aren't but either way Obama's not currently attempting to ban people from having kids.
But imagine if he was actually trying to ban people from having or adopting certain types of kids (stupid "what if" I know) then claimed to understand parent's anxiety over his proposals because he had some kids himself that nobody had ever saw or heard of before. Think folks would be a bit skeptical?
Penguin
02-01-13, 01:09 PM
Well maybe they are and maybe they aren't but either way Obama's not currently attempting to ban people from having kids.
But imagine if he was actually trying to ban people from having or adopting certain types of kids (stupid "what if" I know) then claimed to understand parent's anxiety over his proposals because he had some kids himself that nobody had ever saw or heard of before. Think folks would be a bit skeptical?
The comparision would be better if he would try to ban "assault kids": "This kid looks like it could wear camo clothes one day. It also posesses two hands, it could strangle somebody - sorry, you can't have it!" :D
I remember when the old Bush said he doesn't like Broccoli - and the crapstorm he got for it. "how could he say this, Broccoli is healthy, the Pres is supposed to be a role model for the kids, yada, yada..." Hey, at least it was an honest statement about his personal preferences - probably the only point in which I agreed with him. :) For reasons like that, politicians (and their PR crew) think twice before saying anything personal in the media age.
Wheather or not Obama likes skeet shooting, he plays by the rules of the modern PR circus: "Look, I'm one of you!" - just like the pics W. published , with the rolled up sleeves, working on his ranch.
Skeet shooting is a safe bet, even the majority of anti-gun folks would say nothing against using a gun for this purposes. So he plays the media flute.
The other thing is, publishing photos of him shooting clay pdgeons, would give the conspiracy nuts much more importance and attention than they deserve. The second a photo of him with a gun is shown, guys like Alex Jones would publish several pages, about the 1478 proofs why the pic is forged. :88)
Wheather or not Obama likes skeet shooting, he plays by the rules of the modern PR circus: "Look, I'm one of you!" - just like the pics W. published , with the rolled up sleeves, working on his ranch.
Skeet shooting is a safe bet, even the majority of anti-gun folks would say nothing against using a gun for this purposes. So he plays the media flute.
The difference between Obama and Bush in those examples is that it's easy to imagine George rolling up his sleeves and clearing brush on his own ranch. He doesn't look out of place doing it as the pictures of it show. Not that he has to do the work mind but rather that he'd do it more as a form of exercise. For the same reason I chop and split my own firewood up in Maine although I have the money to have a seasoned cord sectioned and split and delivered right to my place.
Barry on the other hand saying that he shoots skeet "all the time" is just not believable, to anyone. Especially when no one has ever heard of him doing it. He hasn't even mentioned it in his book about his life. It'd be like Angela Merkel suddenly announcing that she goes para-sailing "all the time". Would you believe it? Especially without any evidence or pictures?
The other thing is, publishing photos of him shooting clay pdgeons, would give the conspiracy nuts much more importance and attention than they deserve. The second a photo of him with a gun is shown, guys like Alex Jones would publish several pages, about the 1478 proofs why the pic is forged. :88)
I see what you're saying don't really buy that idea. After all it'd be rather easy to prove at least to to most peoples satisfaction that the picture wasn't forged making Jones look like even more of a nut than he already is. Barry hasn't done that and I can't see him missing the opportunity to make his opposition look like fools. He hasn't missed a chance to do so yet why now?
Tchocky
02-01-13, 03:22 PM
"the focus on this non-story is a sad commentary on our so-called priorities" - Everyone
"it depresses me that so many people are paying so much attention that could be better spent on real problems" - The World
"this is mind-numbingly stupid" - And his dog
"the focus on this non-story is a sad commentary on our so-called priorities" - Everyone
"it depresses me that so many people are paying so much attention that could be better spent on real problems" - The World
"this is mind-numbingly stupid" - And his dog
Hahahaha! :rotfl2:
Tribesman
02-01-13, 04:30 PM
"the focus on this non-story is a sad commentary on our so-called priorities"
But its Obama.
"it depresses me that so many people are paying so much attention that could be better spent on real problems"
But its Obama and der gunz.
"this is mind-numbingly stupid"
You just hate freedom and love obama.
Maybe it's in focus among overseas America junkies but here it wasn't much more than a blip on the news. Bush clearing brush in Crawford made a far greater media splash.
Platapus
02-01-13, 06:37 PM
Steve,
As I posted. I would really like to see a citation in the Constitution where public servants need to give their birth certificates to the press.
As you posted, there ain't one. :yeah:
As to who needs to see it? The individual state board of elections certifies all candidates. So if a candidate is running for POTUS and happens to be a resident of Maine, it is the responsibility of the Maine state board of elections to properly certify that the candidate is eligible for office.
Tribesman
02-01-13, 06:50 PM
Maybe it's in focus among overseas America junkies but here it wasn't much more than a blip on the news.
That explains why only two foriegners posted on the first page, and one of them was only ridiculing the whole episode.
So lets refresh, its an american news report with an a american politician talking about an american politician and an american poster saying it lies and its american media bias, yet its all the foriegners.
Classic:rotfl2:
Sailor Steve
02-01-13, 06:57 PM
As you posted, there ain't one. :yeah:
I didn't say it was cited directly. I said it was there. If the president isn't beholden to the people then the Constitution means nothing.
Madox58
02-01-13, 07:18 PM
Back when the Constitution was chipped into stone, I doubt there were birth certificates in large scale useage.
Mostly it was a Family Bible that kept the family tree?
Since that was a religious thing? The Church and State thingy applied.
(Granted time travel may have been involved at this point)
Most people wore a large stone around thier necks back then with thier birth information.
(A fact the Government denies today)
This created 'Stoners' or document forgers as we now call them.
When the Stoners got really going doing thier thing?
The Gov started useing paper.
(Roughly around the time Gold was grabbed and paper was the new currence)
At this same time, mis-information was sent to all foreign countries so anyone NOT born here would look like fools.
If you were born here? You weren't told as it was eyes only information.
:har:
(Did I mention I have 'Warped' tattooed on my wrist?)
Stealhead
02-01-13, 07:25 PM
Back in the old day they would claim that a man running for office had a cheap wig or used cheap powder in his hair..
Thomas Jefferson and John Adams had the first "dirty" campaign.i say that because the entire "birther" thing was a smear campaign.the skeet shooting is just calculated publicity stunt that all presidents pull in some shape or form as Penguin said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y_zTN4BXvYI#t=24s
Madox58
02-01-13, 07:35 PM
Steve has a cheap wig.
And he buys discount powder.
:D
Sailor Steve
02-01-13, 09:18 PM
Something else they didn't do back then was campaign directly. Somebody else did all that for them, and they stayed above it all.
Steve has a cheap wig.
And he buys discount powder.
I refuse to descend to the level of either acknowledging or replying to anything said about me one way or the other.
Armistead, quick! Find out the truth behind Privateer's mishandling of the company funds and have McBee publish it in the Dogpatch Gazette!
Madox58
02-01-13, 09:26 PM
I can read fine print.
And through Evil intentions in other threads?
I have unmasked your side kick!
Yes. I know it doesn't mean diddly squat.
And to make things easy for you all?
I'd have to put money in to Company funds to mishandle any!
:haha:
You still buy discount powder though!
Sailor Steve
02-01-13, 09:33 PM
Armistead, quick! I have privateer on record admitting that he stuffs company funds!
He's also selling "Powder", whatever that means!
Madox58
02-01-13, 09:39 PM
I can honestly say that you are perfect for a reporter type person.
:haha:
To get the stuffing part like that?
:up:
your powder is behind the tree in your third photo, to the left.
Sailor Steve
02-01-13, 09:41 PM
Hey, if it was good enough for Jefferson, who am I to argue?
Cybermat47
02-01-13, 09:41 PM
He's also selling "Powder", whatever that means!
Iz hees drahgs.
Dee-doh-dah-di, di-di-dah!
Yoo shald twyz eet sumtahm, m'boy!
Tee-te-toh-tah, tah-ti-ti!
Sailor Steve
02-01-13, 09:43 PM
Iz hees drahgs.
And once again you don't know...
Privateer lives where there is no snow. He makes a good living importing it illegally.
Madox58
02-02-13, 12:57 AM
Privateer lives where there is no snow.
We have snow. Just not the top quality snow.
He makes a good living importing it illegally.
Not illegal. UP Michigan snow is worth a fortune in Ohio.
In my dreams!!!
USA:
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65669000/jpg/_65669609_65669584.jpg
Russia:
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1162079/gun_width_600x.jpg
UK:
http://lebanonspring.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/david-cameron-hoodie-yob-gun-hand-sign-shooting-culture.jpg
*sigh*
u crank
02-02-13, 06:05 PM
USA:
http://lebanonspring.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/david-cameron-hoodie-yob-gun-hand-sign-shooting-culture.jpg
*sigh*
Now that's the sad result of gun control. :O:
Safe-Keeper
02-02-13, 07:13 PM
It is in the same paragraph that requires public servants to give their birth certificates to the press. :DI remember reading it somewhere, yes. Think it's right underneath "no official is to be sworn into office as President if lunatics on the far-right suspect he worships anyone but Jesus Christ the Almighty, especially if they believe his deity of choice is Allah".
Platapus
02-02-13, 08:38 PM
I remember reading it somewhere, yes. Think it's right underneath "no official is to be sworn into office as President if lunatics on the far-right suspect he worships anyone but Jesus Christ the Almighty, especially if they believe his deity of choice is Allah".
Yup, it is in the fine print in the margins.
Yup, it is in the fine print in the margins.
Right next to "No Norwegians need apply". :)
Cybermat47
02-02-13, 11:21 PM
USA:
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65669000/jpg/_65669609_65669584.jpg
I am Barack Obama, and I approved this bullet.
soopaman2
02-04-13, 12:06 PM
Oberons above post made me ponder something...
Putin, in his gun outlawed land is such a bad ass, when seen killing things, like the famous shirtless pic of him with an AR type rifle.
But Obama is instantly shat upon, for a much tamer, and less propaganda driven pic, in a land of freedoms.
He will be gone soon, calm down...
You act like he is like Putin, in power even after he is out of power, then amazingly back in power....Yeah, Russia is so heroic.
America, so evil, Europe rules, NA drools.
(my apologies to Europe, if you consider the Russians Asian continenters)
Takeda Shingen
02-04-13, 12:19 PM
Oberons above post made me ponder something...
Putin, in his gun outlawed land is such a bad ass, when seen killing things, like the famous shirtless pic of him with an AR type rifle.
But Obama is instantly shat upon, for a much tamer, and less propaganda driven pic, in a land of freedoms.
He will be gone soon, calm down...
You act like he is like Putin, in power even after he is out of power, then amazingly back in power....Yeah, Russia is so heroic.
America, so evil, Europe rules, NA drools.
(my apologies to Europe, if you consider the Russians Asian continenters)
I don't think that was Oberon's point at all.
soopaman2
02-04-13, 01:08 PM
No Takeda it was not, it was an idea invoked in my head by his pics.
It just got me thinking. I expressed that thought, anything America does will always be evil to outsiders, as long as we are the big kid on the block.
Much like the difference in reactions to Putins pics, shirtless with a gun, than what the pic of Obama recieved.
Putin is a manly man! Great way to hide your oppression.
The difference in the countries laws kills me too, Russias murder and suicide rate is off the charts, without (legal) guns.
I am sorry his joke invoked a thought in me, I'll stick to chuckles.
Hey, how about that black guy! I am surprised he wasn't shooting it sideways!
Harumph harumph.
Hey I didn't get a harumph outta you!
HARUMPH!
Tribesman
02-04-13, 01:20 PM
Putin, in his gun outlawed land is such a bad ass
Since when has Russia outlawed guns?
Even stalin at his craziest didn't outlaw guns.
Takeda Shingen
02-04-13, 01:41 PM
No Takeda it was not, it was an idea invoked in my head by his pics.
It just got me thinking. I expressed that thought, anything America does will always be evil to outsiders, as long as we are the big kid on the block.
Much like the difference in reactions to Putins pics, shirtless with a gun, than what the pic of Obama recieved.
Putin is a manly man! Great way to hide your oppression.
The difference in the countries laws kills me too, Russias murder and suicide rate is off the charts, without (legal) guns.
I am sorry his joke invoked a thought in me, I'll stick to chuckles.
Hey, how about that black guy! I am surprised he wasn't shooting it sideways!
Harumph harumph.
Hey I didn't get a harumph outta you!
HARUMPH!
Man, you've got to get over this persecution complex thing. I misunderstood your post, and for that you have my most sincere apologies. However no one is trying to silence you, or your country, state, football team, quarterback, etc. Enough already.
u crank
02-04-13, 02:05 PM
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65669000/jpg/_65669609_65669584.jpg
"Mister, if you don't have a lawyer from Texas in front of you....
....you're doin' it wrong."
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000402913/polls_dickcheney_narrowweb__300x472_0_2827_293840_ answer_4_xlarge.jpeg
soopaman2
02-04-13, 02:21 PM
Man, you've got to get over this persecution complex thing. I misunderstood your post, and for that you have my most sincere apologies. However no one is trying to silence you, or your country, state, football team, quarterback, etc. Enough already.
Harumph!
:D:salute:
*Big uncomfortable Bugs Bunny smooch*
I was kinda trying to be funny, not confrontational. I do not think you insulting me in any way, just playing along.
Why else would I quote a Mel Brooks film?
Was just explaining what I saw, in my sick, sick head ,not bashing you for your observation, sir.
Friends right?
*Bugs Bunny smooch*
I can be an ass, accept my apologies please? I could have worded it more respectfullly.
Food for comedians:
http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/peoples_resource/image/19097-obama-skeet-photoshop1.jpg
http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Obama_Shoots_Bang.jpg
My personal favorite:
http://cdn.conservativebyte.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/BCIjreDCQAArdyO-300x225.jpg
Platapus
02-04-13, 08:08 PM
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65669000/jpg/_65669609_65669584.jpg
What model shootin iron is that. Is that actually a shotgun or a Black Powder rifle?
What model shootin iron is that. Is that actually a shotgun or a Black Powder rifle?
Looks like a .12ga over and under shotgun.
Ok this one is funny:
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/426672_255058047960714_1763988516_n.jpg
Cybermat47
02-04-13, 11:54 PM
August, even though we have opposite viewpoints on gun control... those pictures are still pretty funny :haha:
mookiemookie
02-05-13, 08:56 AM
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65669000/jpg/_65669609_65669584.jpg
What model shootin iron is that. Is that actually a shotgun or a Black Powder rifle?
Looks like a Winchester 101
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65669000/jpg/_65669609_65669584.jpg
It's a Photoshop job. If he knew what he was doing there's be a lawer at the other end.... like U crank said.
Or better yet, he'd be looking down the barrel to see how it works. :D
Cybermat47
02-05-13, 03:12 PM
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65669000/jpg/_65669609_65669584.jpg
Hey, what's with that smoke coming out of the top? :06:
Hey, what's with that smoke coming out of the top? :06:
That's a choke.
http://www.ehow.com/about_6640585_shotgun-choke-tubes-explained.html
nikimcbee
02-06-13, 12:57 AM
Ok this one is funny:
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/426672_255058047960714_1763988516_n.jpg
:har::har::har:It's funny, cuz it's so true.
Blacklight
02-06-13, 01:11 AM
Is it just me, but it seems that Obama can't take a breath or move a finger without someone shouting some kind of crazy conspiracy theory about it?
Next thing you know, he'll cough and people will claim that he's intentionally trying to infect the conservatives with a deadly flu based contagion/weaponized bacteria/virus. I'm seriously waiting to hear this.
The thing that seriously scares me is that there are people who are posting under that article who are agreeing with and supporting Blackburn with her assertion. Seriously. Should this man divulge every tiny little thing he does in his private life? Should he announce to the world every time he plays a game of cards? Or that he sits with his right leg crossed over the left while reading his favorite book? They'd have conspiracy theories about that too!
It makes me sick that someone in politics had the gall to take time out of their busy schedule for this announcement and some idiot actually thought that it was enough of a news story to publish it.
For shame. :nope:
It makes me sick that someone in politics had the gall to take time out of their busy schedule for this announcement and some idiot actually thought that it was enough of a news story to publish it.
"Take time out of their busy schedule". :haha: The guy has been in campaign mode since he was first elected and this is just one more example of it.
As for the news worthiness of the story, it's such an obvious whopper of a lie that it just had to be published. Unless of course you think that Chief Executives should be given a pass on telling falsehoods to the press.
mookiemookie
02-06-13, 09:09 AM
Is it just me, but it seems that Obama can't take a breath or move a finger without someone shouting some kind of crazy conspiracy theory about it?
Next thing you know, he'll cough and people will claim that he's intentionally trying to infect the conservatives with a deadly flu based contagion/weaponized bacteria/virus. I'm seriously waiting to hear this.
The thing that seriously scares me is that there are people who are posting under that article who are agreeing with and supporting Blackburn with her assertion. Seriously. Should this man divulge every tiny little thing he does in his private life? Should he announce to the world every time he plays a game of cards? Or that he sits with his right leg crossed over the left while reading his favorite book? They'd have conspiracy theories about that too!
It makes me sick that someone in politics had the gall to take time out of their busy schedule for this announcement and some idiot actually thought that it was enough of a news story to publish it.
For shame. :nope:
Because nothing the man does is above criticism in some people's eyes. In the 2008 campaign, he was doing a public appearance at a restaurant and he ordered dijon mustard on his hamburger. He was attacked by Sean Hannity for his choice in mustard and it was deemed "elitist."
See this how these hacks operate - everything is all tallied up on a magical invisible scoreboard somewhere. Anything that allows your team to score a "point" on the other team - be it through characterizing a pantry staple as "elitist" or by latching on to an irrelevant non-story and running it into the ground with attempts at "humor" though poorly done Photoshops - that lets your side laugh at the other side and tally a point. Then the other side retorts. Something the other side has done or said will become the next fodder for "points."
It's petty schoolyard crap without any relevance at all.
It's petty schoolyard crap without any relevance at all.
It's not that big of a deal Mookie, but it is a lie and therefore an example of bad character on the part of the President.
When a politician displays it, especially one like Obama who likes to self righteously criticize others from his bully pulpit, he has to expect fallout from it, just like we can expect his supporters to attempt to minimize and dismiss it just like you're doing here.
It is the way of American national politics and while Barry didn't invent it he certainly plays it and has played it well.
Takeda Shingen
02-06-13, 09:54 AM
Any proof that is he lying, or just bad polemics and grandstanding?
mookiemookie
02-06-13, 10:07 AM
Any proof that is he lying, or just bad polemics and grandstanding?
My guess is the latter. Just like Bush clearing brush in Crawford, or the "Beer Summit" or Clinton playing sax on the Arsenio Hall show or Dukakis in the tank, or any and every presidential and vice presidential candidate doing a photo op in a soup kitchen during a campaign. They're stupid and awkward publicity stunts that politicians do in order to project some carefully crafted image. To assign much significance to them is silly. If something like that sways you to like a guy or dislike a guy, or if you think any of those things actually tell you something about who the guy is, you're very gullible.
Any proof that is he lying, or just bad polemics and grandstanding?
Obama told New Republic last month that, "Up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time.
That picture is not of a man experienced in holding or operating a firearm. As those of us who actually do go shooting "all the time" can plainly see his stance and grip are indications of a novice shooter.
I think the Washington Post's Fact Checker column pretty much sums up the doubts:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-white-houses-curious-silence-about-obamas-claim-of-skeet-shooting/2013/01/30/be78bb10-6b35-11e2-95b3-272d604a10a3_blog.html
He earns the "Gepetto Checkmark" but naw there is no proof that he's the liar his own picture shows him to be...
Takeda Shingen
02-06-13, 10:36 AM
Okay then it is grandstanding. Nothing new, then. I mean, if he isn't holding his gun like a manly man-man, then he must not be doing it. I play poker all the time. I also suck at it, but that doesn't mean that I don't play it often. It just means that I am bad.
Sailor Steve
02-06-13, 10:40 AM
"How can you tell a politician is lying? His lips move."
I agree that Obama is likely playing a political game here, and is likely lying. The problem I have is the same one I always have: Is this being brought up because of the lie, or because it's Obama? Have you brought this up every time a president has lied, or only when it's a president of the opposing party? If the former, please show it. If the latter, then you too are guilty of playing political games.
Tribesman
02-06-13, 10:49 AM
I think the Washington Post's Fact Checker column pretty much sums up the doubts:
So it sums up the doubts then gives the mark
He earns the "Gepetto Checkmark"
Statements and claims that contain “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” will be recognized with our prized Geppetto checkmark.
So your link is saying your doubts and accusations are really baseless.
Thats an unusual way to back up your position:rotfl2:
I play poker all the time. I also suck at it, but that doesn't mean that I don't play it often. It just means that I am bad.
Playing ability aside do you at least know how to hold the cards Takeda?
If that picture is real (as in he's actually shooting the gun he's holding and the odd smoke pattern isn't photoshopped in like many are saying) then our President walked away with a sore cheek and a badly bruised shoulder. He's lucky he didn't break his collar bone.
"How can you tell a politician is lying? His lips move."
I agree that Obama is likely playing a political game here, and is likely lying. The problem I have is the same one I always have: Is this being brought up because of the lie, or because it's Obama?
But what difference does that make? Is a lie somehow mitigated because it's pointed out by the political opposition?
Have you brought this up every time a president has lied, or only when it's a president of the opposing party? If the former, please show it. If the latter, then you too are guilty of playing political games.
I would definitely hold the same opinion if an anti-gun Republican had made similar claims, especially while he's trying to push through the biggest limitation of 2nd Amendment rights in American history, and I would have no problem saying so either.
Wolferz
02-06-13, 12:13 PM
I came to this forum to get away from an MSNBC addiction and the bloody thing followed me here. Talk about your conspiracy theory.
I guess the POTUS will be given a new derogatory nickname now...
Barrelack Oblammo. The news article and all of the resulting hubbub is definitely grand standing by the POTUS and his PR manager must be an idiot. Even american school kids know that you don't shoot skeet with a shotgun. You use an AR-15 set on full auto so you never miss a pidgeon.
At any rate, Every sordid affair that the lamestream media puts out is designed as misdirection to hide what's really going on... The feecing of the sheeple. Notice in the pictures that he shoots lefty with no brass defelector? Typical.
PS: That puff of smoke coming out of the top of the barrel is the worst photoshp job I've ever seen. The choke is at the other end where the shells go.
The choke is at the other end where the shells go.
I like your style but you're wrong about chokes:
http://cdn.firearmstalk.com/forums/attachments/f26/25863d1299141561-slugs-through-barrel-shotgun-chokes.gif
Sailor Steve
02-06-13, 12:52 PM
But what difference does that make? Is a lie somehow mitigated because it's pointed out by the political opposition?
No, but it shows that the political opposition is one-sided, two-faced and just as bad as the person they are trying to expose. In other words, not worth listening to.
I would definitely hold the same opinion if an anti-gun Republican had made similar claims, especially while he's trying to push through the biggest limitation of 2nd Amendment rights in American history, and I would have no problem saying so either.
That's a fair point.
Takeda Shingen
02-06-13, 12:54 PM
I came to this forum to get away from an MSNBC addiction and the bloody thing followed me here. Talk about your conspiracy theory.
Wait, you came to GT to get away from political talk?
http://ferringtonpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Mitt-Romney-Sucks-Here%E2%80%99s-Why-Photo-by-2bp.jpg
Sailor Steve
02-06-13, 12:55 PM
I came to this forum to get away from an MSNBC addiction and the bloody thing followed me here. Talk about your conspiracy theory.
In GT we allow pretty much anything, as long as it stays within the rules.
Barrelack Oblammo.
Remember, folks, you heard it here first. :sunny:
Wolferz
02-06-13, 01:01 PM
I like your style but you're wrong about chokes:
http://cdn.firearmstalk.com/forums/attachments/f26/25863d1299141561-slugs-through-barrel-shotgun-chokes.gif
I notice in the diagrams that there is no exhaust port on top of the barrel. So I was half right at least.:up:
But that's beside the point, eh? All I really knows is, you pulls the trigger and lead goes down range until something interrupts the momentum. Preferably a lawyer.:88)
Sailor Steve
02-06-13, 01:03 PM
Preferably a lawyer.:88)
How can you be so callous? Don't you know how important lawyers are to a functioning society? Don't you know what a valuable resource they...
Oh, fire away. :dead:
No, but it shows that the political opposition is one-sided, two-faced and just as bad as the person they are trying to expose. In other words, not worth listening to.
I see your point but what happens if the one-sided, two-faced liar from the political opposition is saying that a grand piano is about to land on your head. Are they still not worth listening to?
nikimcbee
02-06-13, 04:22 PM
Playing ability aside do you at least know how to hold the cards Takeda?
If that picture is real (as in he's actually shooting the gun he's holding and the odd smoke pattern isn't photoshopped in like many are saying) then our President walked away with a sore cheek and a badly bruised shoulder. He's lucky he didn't break his collar bone.
How much you wanna bet the first time he pulled the trigger, it went something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkgfrS9FanU
That would be the secret service laughing in the background.:haha:
nikimcbee
02-06-13, 04:24 PM
How can you be so callous? Don't you know how important lawyers are to a functioning society? Don't you know what a valuable resource they...
Oh, fire away. :dead:
Are we talking trial lawyers?
:hmm2:
Sailor Steve
02-06-13, 07:07 PM
I see your point but what happens if the one-sided, two-faced liar from the political opposition is saying that a grand piano is about to land on your head. Are they still not worth listening to?
I never said they were, or weren't. My point is that people who only take one side are no better than the people they condemn. I know people who went to town with Clinton but to this day defend Nixon. That's playing the political game to the hilt, and not helping at all.
My point is that people who only take one side are no better than the people they condemn.
That only works if the group having the discussion is completely made up of truly neutral people. I haven't seen one of those groups on any online forum ever and i've been reading them since DECnet days.
A person who perceives himself to be in the minority of a discussion should not be condemned for not going out of his way to make the majorities point for them. There will always be plenty of folks around to make that side of any argument.
Platapus
02-06-13, 07:59 PM
Hey, what's with that smoke coming out of the top? :06:
That's a choke.
http://www.ehow.com/about_6640585_shotgun-choke-tubes-explained.html
I don't think the smoke is because of a choke. I think it is a compensator or ported barrel to reduce the recoil jump.
And if it is a Winchester 101, they do come with ports.
Platapus
02-06-13, 08:03 PM
Is it just me, but it seems that Obama can't take a breath or move a finger without someone shouting some kind of crazy conspiracy theory about it?
Reminds me of a quote by Lyndon Johnson
If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, the headline that afternoon would read "President Can't Swim”
Reminds me of a quote by Lyndon Johnson If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, the headline that afternoon would read "President Can't Swim”
Probably because LBJ so often acted like he did indeed have the ability to walk on water. :)
And you are probably correct on the compensator. Skeet shooting isn't something i have all that much familiarity with. Makes sense though in that application.
mookiemookie
02-06-13, 08:39 PM
Reminds me of a quote by Lyndon Johnson
Related:
LBJ especially liked to "surprise" guests with his [amphibious car] by racing it into the water:
"The President, with Vicky McCammon in the seat alongside him and me in the back,was now driving around in a small blue car with the top down. We reached a steep incline at the edge of the lake and the car started rolling rapidly toward the water. The President shouted, "The brakes don’t work! The brakes won’t hold! We’re going in! We’re going under!" The car splashed into the water. I started to get out. Just then the car leveled and I realized we were in a Amphicar. The President laughed. As we putted along the lake then (and throughout the evening), he teased me. "Vicky, did you see what Joe did? He didn’t give a damn about his President. He just wanted to save his own skin and get out of the car." Then he’d roar."
http://www.american-presidents.org/2010/02/lbjs-amphicar.html
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