GWX3

[guntherprien]

Every time I play this mod,makes me realise what excellence is.
Thanks so much to all the people that made it.
I can quite honestly say it's the best thing I've ever played.
Thank you.:D

[Jimbuna]

SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[AndreasT]

Yes I have to add to this thank you for this wonderful thing.

[Jokerman]

I'll add the post saying same for the record. New to the series and via steam bought 3,4 and 5. Started with 3 and GWX with Commander also and even though I am learning my way still, this is really a fantastic improvement over the stock game [and the stock was impressive off the bat!]

[Jimbuna]

I'll add the post saying same for the record. New to the series and via steam bought 3,4 and 5. Started with 3 and GWX with Commander also and even though I am learning my way still, this is really a fantastic improvement over the stock game [and the stock was impressive off the bat!]

Welcome Aboard Kaleun http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/welcome.gif

[Kpt. Lehmann]

:timeout:
Isn't this "GWX" thing I keep hearing about some sort of mind control device? :hmm2::huh:

[Jimbuna]

:timeout:
Isn't this "GWX" thing I keep hearing about some sort of mind control device? :hmm2::huh:

That is dependant upon if you have a mind or not :88)

[Kpt. Lehmann]

That is dependant upon if you have a mind or not :88)

Good point. I wonder if I can find a new one on Ebay.

[Jimbuna]

Good point. I wonder if I can find a new one on Ebay.

LOL :)

[Troublous_Haze]

With all the bunch of additional mods I have to use together with GWX3 it is now somewhat a GWX3 based configuration which doesn't even look like GWX anymore. I wish I could say it is enough for me just to use GWX alone for all realism feelings, but I can't. While other supermods continue to grow and implement new achievemnts of modders into one peace as supermod core, GWX lies on the bottom, as if it was already perfect.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

With all the bunch of additional mods I have to use together with GWX3 it is now somewhat a GWX3 based configuration which doesn't even look like GWX anymore. I wish I could say it is enough for me just to use GWX alone for all realism feelings, but I can't. While other supermods continue to grow and implement new achievemnts of modders into one peace as supermod core, GWX lies on the bottom, as if it was already perfect.

Please send a processing fee of $29.95 to Jimbuna and he will be sure to send you a full refund for your GWX purchase in 48 to 96 weeks.

That being said, it is possible that Sailor Steve (the Grammar Nazi) may first process your post AND field a reminder that all good things come to an end.

[Troublous_Haze]

all good things come to an end.

Life experience says the good things may last as much as we want. I guess I now understand why GWX is now just a legend.

[HW3]

Try assembling a group of modders to work together for free, in their spare time, on a large project that takes several years to complete, and then ask them if they want to do it all over again, and see what answer you get.:hmmm:

:salute:

[Troublous_Haze]

Try assembling a group of modders to work together for free, in their spare time, on a large project that takes several years to complete, and then ask them if they want to do it all over again, and see what answer you get.:hmmm:

:salute:

They've done it before they can do it again.

[HW3]

They can but, the question is, do they want to? I was here during the GW/GWX development period, and I think they all feel once is enough for a major mod project. There have been a few smaller mods put out by individual members of the team but, I seriously doubt we will see the team reassemble for a large update of GWX.

:Kaleun_Salute:

[Sailor Steve]

They've done it before they can do it again.
And most of them learned from scratch. We're all waiting for you to start the next new supermod.

Then you can devote years of hard work, anguish, trials, tribulations, infighting, backbiting and heated battles with other mod teams (along with some good times, cameraderie and memories), just to have some arrogant jackwagon come along and tell you that you didn't do it right.

[Troublous_Haze]

And most of them learned from scratch. We're all waiting for you to start the next new supermod.

Then you can devote years of hard work, anguish, trials, tribulations, infighting, backbiting and heated battles with other mod teams (along with some good times, cameraderie and memories), just to have some arrogant jackwagon come along and tell you that you didn't do it right.

Professionals of their work can easily live along with all those human emotions as side effects and still follow their ploted course, to what they believe that is truth of history. But I believe that the loss of wish to continue this project is the major key not to continue GWX at all.
You can try to prove me wrong on this, but I have a doubt you'll have enough fuel to run this disscussion to continue.

[Troublous_Haze]

They can but, the question is, do they want to? I was here during the GW/GWX development period, and I think they all feel once is enough for a major mod project. There have been a few smaller mods put out by individual members of the team but, I seriously doubt we will see the team reassemble for a large update of GWX.

:Kaleun_Salute:

As it was with GWX4 project, it was like "runaway to bushes" to me and a closing scene of all their work from this point. No GWX4 for SH4 not even GWX5 for SH5. GWX just sank in the abyss, can you ask yourself why ? I believe you may only guess, but the right answer is up to GWX members who runs silent afterall.

[Madox58]

Have you even glimpsed at this thread?
:hmmm:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155583

[Troublous_Haze]

Have you even glimpsed at this thread?
:hmmm:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155583

It was posted 08-30-2009, 03:35 PM, hey no one forced to go into time tables present times, nor Kpt. Lehman should after all, you should do your job as slow or fast as you one as a team is capable at. In 2013 players do not care who will be the first one to complete SH3. You just have to move on with timeline and make necessary updates even if it were once a year, at least GWX will be moving forward.

[Madox58]

I'll get right on it.
:haha:

Let me re-phrase that.
:har:

[Sailor Steve]

Professionals...
Get paid. And money is put into the projects they work on. Modders, no matter how good or how dedicated, are under no obligation to the team manager, each other, or to you and me. They do it because they want to, and when they don't want to anymore they move on. It's not your call, or mine.

But I believe that the loss of wish to continue this project is the major key not to continue GWX at all.
Great. Nobody says you have to use it. Likewise nobody says you can't say what you want about it. But you are insulting good people because they don't live up to your imaginary standards, and it's not going to do you any good. They're not going to get back together simply because you think they should.

You can try to prove me wrong on this, but I have a doubt you'll have enough fuel to run this disscussion to continue.
There's nothing to prove, one way or the other. It's a matter of opinion. Yours is that it's unfinished, and that they are bad for not doing what you think they should have done. Mine is that you are beating a very dead horse and trying to shame people into doing something that is never going to happen.

I too am disappointed, because SH4 didn't get finished. That is what I really wanted to see. I also realize that it's not going to be, and there's nothing I can do about it. So I let it go, rather than insult the people who worked on it. The only full-war u-boat mod for SH4 is Operation Monsun. I wish Lurker had spent more time on it, but he didn't. There are several problems which annoy me, but I can't do a thing about it, short of learning how to fix them myself. If I'm not willing to do that, then I have no right to whine about it.

On the other hand the U-Boat HAHD project is looking like it might be even better than GWX. We'll see if it is, if and when it's ever finished. Then I hope they'll move on to do the same for SH4, as they said they might.

At least with SH3 you don't have to live with a mod you don't like. Try NYGM. Try LSH3. Try WAC.

But my challenge still stands. Rather than whine and cry about how they let you down, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and make a mod you can be proud of? Until then, rather than talk about the fuel I don't have to run this discussion, why don't you do something worthwhile?

[Madox58]

GWX Team is a Non-entity.
It's dead, pinning for the fjords, pushing up daisies, crossed the river styx, etc.

Why can't people grasp that simple fact?
Why can't you let us carry on as We do now?

You were given everything for free and now you demand and try to guilt trip all the FINE people involved with GWX?

Only thing I can ask is...............
WTH are you to demand anything from any of the Modders here abouts?

There is no arguement you can make that will change anything.
(Unless you got a BUNCH of money to throw around)
:har:

(And that's not an arguement. It's a bribe. I have a policy about bribes. The bigger, the better!)

[Jimbuna]

They can but, the question is, do they want to? I was here during the GW/GWX development period, and I think they all feel once is enough for a major mod project. There have been a few smaller mods put out by individual members of the team but, I seriously doubt we will see the team reassemble for a large update of GWX.

:Kaleun_Salute:

And that as well as what Privateer and Steve have already posted is the current definitive position...one that will almost certainly never change.

[Troublous_Haze]

GWX Team is a Non-entity.
It's dead, pinning for the fjords, pushing up daisies, crossed the river styx, etc.

Why can't people grasp that simple fact?
Why can't you let us carry on as We do now?

You were given everything for free and now you demand and try to guilt trip all the FINE people involved with GWX?

Only thing I can ask is...............
WTH are you to demand anything from any of the Modders here abouts?

There is no arguement you can make that will change anything.
(Unless you got a BUNCH of money to throw around)
:har:

(And that's not an arguement. It's a bribe. I have a policy about bribes. The bigger, the better!)

You should just say so in short phrase: "GWX ppl got sick and tired working for free", I appreciate everyone involved init and I'm not demanding anything, I'm just trying to understand REAL cause of GWX end of survival. I believe nobody from GWX users are happy that GWX crumbled apart to somewhat foggy reasons.

I just want to say that no steps were taken to seek for the solution to maintain the project and to keep ppl who worked on it on the line after GWX3 went gold. If there were problems amongst GWX members ok, project could be suspended for better times and revived later..
There were options, but I think everything was done to shut it down on purpose.

Now you can start bashing my opinion calling me uncomprehending unthankfull upstarter if you like, whatever.

[Troublous_Haze]

Great. Nobody says you have to use it. Likewise nobody says you can't say what you want about it. But you are insulting good people because they don't live up to your imaginary standards, and it's not going to do you any good. They're not going to get back together simply because you think they should.


Actually just because of my expressions I received an Infraction :D Was that really neccessary ? Who got insulted ? I will personaly apologise him/them, because if they felt insulted over my thinking it's probably related to their personality bugs, which should be treated by psychologist etc.

One calls me a demander, another callms me insulter, whats wrong with you ppl. No one is attacking your brains so chill.

[Hitman]

Actually just because of my expressions I received an Infraction http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//images/smilies/4.gif Was that really neccessary ? Who got insulted ? I will personaly apologise him/them, because if they felt insulted over my thinking it's probably related to their personality bugs, which should be treated by psychologist etc.


Well everyone has a right to have his say in a civil manner here, and you have had and used it. From now on, and given how this discussion is derailing, I have two options as moderator to keep the sanity and good tone in the forum:

a) Shut down the thread

b) Shut down the user who is causing blood pressure to raise all around

I honestly think that option a) would be unfair with the rest of people who are yet to have his say.

Hitman

[Troublous_Haze]

Oh well, if there's already dark clouds gathered over my head, so let the lightning begin... for the sake of "sanity" and good tone that is.

[HW3]

The one thing I have not seen mentioned yet is that most, if not all, of the GWX team have jobs, families, and responsibilities that had to come first. To devote yourself to a project as big as Grey Wolves was, for that long of a time, (several years), is bound to take a lot out of a person. One can only eat, sleep, work, and spend every other waking minute working on a modding project for so long, then it is just no longer fun anymore for the person, as well as any family/friends they have. The demands of real life must come first, always.

I'll get off the soapbox now and simply state, I have nothing but the highest regard for any modder willing to give his/her time and talent, to make a mod for free, for the rest of us to enjoy!

:Kaleun_Salute:

[Sailor Steve]

Actually just because of my expressions I received an Infraction :D Was that really neccessary ?
Since the infraction came from the website owner himself, he obviously thought so.

Who got insulted ?
Everybody who worked on GWX. You said they left it unfinished, and when they said you weren't their boss you called them unprofessional.

I will personaly apologise him/them, because if they felt insulted over my thinking it's probably related to their personality bugs, which should be treated by psychologist etc.
So you now insult them again, and say that since they disagree with you they need a psychologist? Maybe you should look at the way you think and post. Yes, you have insulted many people, and it needs to stop.

One calls me a demander, another callms me insulter, whats wrong with you ppl. No one is attacking your brains so chill.
Maybe you should re-read what you've written.

[Troublous_Haze]

Steve, maybe you should stop paraprhasing my words against me Mr. Prosecutor. I already realized this is a "one way flow". You're stating everyone can express their opininion, but if that opinion doesn't tickle yours toes (or any other members that you know), you're trying to feel that person as if he was some kind of outlaw :haha:.

Anyway, have a nice day :|\\

[Sailor Steve]

Paraphrase? Everything I pointed out was a quote from you.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Since the infraction came from the website owner himself, he obviously thought so.


Everybody who worked on GWX. You said they left it unfinished, and when they said you weren't their boss you called them unprofessional.


So you now insult them again, and say that since they disagree with you they need a psychologist? Maybe you should look at the way you think and post. Yes, you have insulted many people, and it needs to stop.


Maybe you should re-read what you've written.

Good post, Sailor Steve.

[AllenZ1Sgt]

You know, after having spent many years at flight sim forums and now surfing the very interesting threads here at Subsim, I am constantly amazed at the number of people who complain (in one fashion or another) about the __ fill in the blank __ problems with this or that FREE software or mods. Strangely enough, on the payware site forums you usually find only praise or very little gripping (and often followed by banning after the first gripe).

My take on this is: if you have the skills at modding and think you can do it better then prove it and produce some. If you don't, then be grateful for the often very high quality products offered for FREE. If you still have an issue with a mod or product, at least be courteous and explain why you think there's an issue (and maybe offer a solution).

[Takeda Shingen]

Steve, maybe you should stop paraprhasing my words against me Mr. Prosecutor. I already realized this is a "one way flow". You're stating everyone can express their opininion, but if that opinion doesn't tickle yours toes (or any other members that you know), you're trying to feel that person as if he was some kind of outlaw :haha:.

Anyway, have a nice day :|\\

Chill out. Is is really worth fighting over a matter from 2009? Let sleeping dogs lie and all that.

[Troublous_Haze]

Chill out. Is is really worth fighting over a matter from 2009? Let sleeping dogs lie and all that.

Agreed. Wasn't expecting such agonizing reactions from some members to my reasoning. Some Taboo questions were touched I believe :)

[Grun Teufel]

Just to throw a couple extra pennies in the pile here, the GWX dev team has produced a precious gem that was given to us as a gift like a milestone in the times and lives of our SH3 experience. As a wonderful addition to a subsim that each of us have already enjoyed in our own way. It is hard for me to grasp the concept that I will never enjoy a mod quite like the GWX again. It is with a heavy heart that come to terms with this reality.

However...

To have a GWX mod in every installment of the Silent Hunter franchise would perhaps, in my opinion, water down the value of this terrific gem- this grey wolves masterpiece. The fact that it belongs to Silent Hunter III and nothing else makes it a wonderful rarity, and we were here to bare witness to it! Revere in this, meine Kapitane! For we where ones who sailed under the vision and craftsmanship of the grey wolves, and how they had seen the world of SH3. What is even more so is that they let us sail our boats from our pens and docks, onward into what it was supposed to be. But, to have this perfect diamond in every installment would be to turn it into nothing more but a cheap piece of glass. And I prefer diamonds on my Knights Cross!!

Happy Hunting!!:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

[Singed]

The GWX team gave us something awesome, they did their thing and rode off in to the sunset with their heads rightfully held high. It's out there, freely offered, for anyone to get. To say anything other than "thank you" is really kind of disrespectful to them.

It is also kind of disrespectful to the other modders out there. I'm a GWX fan, but there are some folks around operating with knowledge that the GWX team didn't have and producing some stunning (looking at least, I don't know how they play, yet) mods that I want to try.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

@ guntherprien: Those are kind words. I'm sorry your thread got so derailed. SINK'em ALL matey!!!:arrgh!:

You know, after having spent many years at flight sim forums and now surfing the very interesting threads here at Subsim, I am constantly amazed at the number of people who complain (in one fashion or another) about the __ fill in the blank __ problems with this or that FREE software or mods. Strangely enough, on the payware site forums you usually find only praise or very little gripping (and often followed by banning after the first gripe).

My take on this is: if you have the skills at modding and think you can do it better then prove it and produce some. If you don't, then be grateful for the often very high quality products offered for FREE. If you still have an issue with a mod or product, at least be courteous and explain why you think there's an issue (and maybe offer a solution).

@AllenZ1Sgt;2000279: Well Top... those are my thoughts too.

To the productive members of Subsim: A long time ago here, a very unpleasant person once told me that, I was full of crap and that if I didn't like things the way they were... I could go to blazes and start my own project.

So I did exactly that, and along with a great many awesome people, we made our environment better. That very unpleasant person ended up having to eat his words over and over.

If the GWX project has to suffer being called a "legend" in the form of an insult, well I think that is fine. It smells like jealousy anyway.

We all have the same freedom to change our surroundings in a positive way if we find them to be unacceptable. There are people right here who do exactly that every day... in big ways and in small ways... without being jerks.

If you don't like something about life... stop complaining, find a little fire, and do something about it.:shucks:

[sublynx]

The way I see this is that GWX is open prey to anyone feeling energetic enough to start using it as a base for a new supermod. Its use is not restricted, is it? The job is huge and only possible for a team of modders.

Personally I don't see much need for a new version of GWX as NYGM, LSH and HAHD are already being developed.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

It is also kind of disrespectful to the other modders out there. I'm a GWX fan, but there are some folks around operating with knowledge that the GWX team didn't have and producing some stunning mods that I want to try.

Absolutely.

[Troublous_Haze]

If the GWX project has to suffer being called a "legend" in the form of an insult, well I think that is fine. It smells like jealousy anyway.


I called GWX a legend because of dissapointment it does not last anymore. Why do you ppl keep getting my point faulty ?
Jealously insult ? Perhaps you mixed me with the wrong person you've used to know, but I'm really not that one if you ask.

It makes me mad there is no more GWX it makes me feel sad that only feelings that is left from this project is memories of excitement of waiting it to be released. I love GWX and I will never switch to any other supermod, because I also grew as one from the very first version of GWX. How can you fail to understand this so badly, man ?

[Sailor Steve]

Why do you ppl keep getting my point faulty ?
Possibly it's a language problem. Where are you from?

How can you fail to understand this so badly, man ?
Possibly because of the way it was said. I can understand expressing regret that it's over and wishing that it was still being developed, but it really did sound to me like you were blaming them for not still working on it, and it really did sound like insults.

If that's not the case, then I'll not only let it go, but I'll apologize for misunderstanding. But you also need to let it go. It's not going to happen. :sunny:

[Troublous_Haze]

Possibly it's a language problem. Where are you from?


Possibly because of the way it was said. I can understand expressing regret that it's over and wishing that it was still being developed, but it really did sound to me like you were blaming them for not still working on it, and it really did sound like insults.

If that's not the case, then I'll not only let it go, but I'll apologize for misunderstanding. But you also need to let it go. It's not going to happen. :sunny:

I need to consult my lawyer before I can post anything back to ya, cuz anything I'll say might be twisted against me :haha:

[Troublous_Haze]

I want to believe all missunderstandings had fainted away finally, cuz at least one understood me correctly. :Kaleun_Applaud: To that I'll raise my pint of :Kaleun_Cheers:. Cheers!

[Sailor Steve]

So you still don't see that you said anything wrong?

You need to understand other people too.

[Troublous_Haze]

So you still don't see that you said anything wrong?

You need to understand other people too.

I thought we already passed it ? :)

You can call me selfish, but I will desperatly wait for next GWX release, even if that means it does not happen in this life :arrgh!:

Hoping and waiting, waiting and hoping is all that's left to do here.

[guntherprien]

Yes,I think something was lost in translation there,regarding Troublous Haze,I'm certain he meant well.
One cannot possibly disparage the wonderful work that is GWX3,it will go down in history as probably the best mod ever created.
I have to echo some of the comments on here regarding the quality of folk on this forum,you guys are outstanding people.
I'm proud to be part of it,albeit a small part,(echoes of my wifes wedding night gripe :) )

[HundertzehnGustav]

GWX Team is a Non-entity.
It's dead, pinning for the fjords, pushing up daisies, crossed the river styx, etc.

Why can't people grasp that simple fact?

Because they were awesome.
because coming here and seeing it all unfold in front of my eyes was an astonishing experience.
because looking over they shoulders and seeing strangers work together to achieve a common goal is an impressive sight.
because seeing it somewhat orchestrated by a handsful of wizards was impressive.
because everybody on this board and beyond was willing to share their files for free, for fun, for the achievement of something round, complete, finished.

Why do some people still hold on to Elvis?
Why do people still cry over Michael Jackson?

Because these made their mark.
GWX is legend, both for the work that progressed as well as the finished result.

And it is good. it is good that it is finished. because now GWX can stand as an example for many good qualities that humans have.

and as such, it can also serve to inspire others in cooperating, over all kinds of Borders.

GWX is Big. George Lukas BIG.

That's why.

[Jimbuna]

Because they were awesome.
because coming here and seeing it all unfold in front of my eyes was an astonishing experience.
because looking over they shoulders and seeing strangers work together to achieve a common goal is an impressive sight.
because seeing it somewhat orchestrated by a handsful of wizards was impressive.
because everybody on this board and beyond was willing to share their files for free, for fun, for the achievement of something round, complete, finished.

Why do some people still hold on to Elvis?
Why do people still cry over Michael Jackson?

Because these made their mark.
GWX is legend, both for the work that progressed as well as the finished result.

And it is good. it is good that it is finished. because now GWX can stand as an example for many good qualities that humans have.

and as such, it can also serve to inspire others in cooperating, over all kinds of Borders.

GWX is Big. George Lukas BIG.

That's why.

Danke...they/we all gave of our best for the community and it is best that we remember the benefit this great community derived from it and hopefully continue to http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[HundertzehnGustav]

For my small horizon, gwx was a masterpiece.
And indeed it left many traces all over the Gameworld.
How many others Refer to it... the flightsimmers in special have drawn inspiration from that achievement.
GWX still serves, not only in SHIII installations. do not worry.

What i do sometimes dream about is to take GWX, put a bunch of extras on it (planes, iabl cargoes n stuff, flagmod, warships and their respective routes by wereford-brown...)
and create a GWX platinum of sorts.

[Sailor Steve]

What i do sometimes dream about is to take GWX, put a bunch of extras on it (planes, iabl cargoes n stuff, flagmod, warships and their respective routes by wereford-brown...)
and create a GWX platinum of sorts.
I use a huge number of mods on top of GWX. I'm happy. I just wish I could do the same for SH4. :cry:

[HundertzehnGustav]

most defnitely.
the limit, for me, is myself and my (in)ability to install compatible mods.
or to MAKE them compatible.
Its a huge sandbox, this game.