Space-Time.... 5 dimensions?

[Gargamel]

So I'm sitting at the strip club last night, getting a dance, and I start thinking about space-time. Yeah I'm weird like that.

Space has 3 dimensions, as we all know, length, width, height. Time is considered the 4th, as it basically describes the 'state' of space at a given point in time. The coordinates x,y,z, and t represent our universe.

But when given examples of the affects of gravity on space-time, it's usually described as a 2 dimensional plane, with large objects making a 3rd dimensional depression in the plane, representing gravity. Time is then introduced to help describe the path of objects moving along these depressions. ergo, 4 dimensional space. But there is no up down dimension that isnt described by gravity.

So if we make a 3 dimensional space, add time (4th), and gravity (5th), then a more accurate map is drawn. The 3 dimensional space is as we know it, time is abstract, and gravity would be described as as the amount of curvature at a specific 3d coord. Imagine it as a single point, with an infinite number of 2d planes intersecting at that point, but with a third dimensional gravity depression in them.

/stream of consciousness puke

And yes, she had a rather, nice, rear end. Had some strong attractive forces to it.

[Madox58]

ARRRGH!! Math!! Now my head hurts!!
:nope:

[Betonov]

I'll get back at this after I have some miracle brew my friend is making from a medicinal herbe he grew in his garden :hmmm:

[Madox58]

:o

Death Star Brew?

[Betonov]

Cocoa powder and milk. But something's been added.

[Gargamel]

ARRRGH!! Math!! Now my head hurts!!
:nope:

Not math.... strippers.

Think of money wielding customers as gravity pits and the strippers looking to make money as objects passing through space. As they approach a customer, they are drawn to them. The more money the customer possesses, the more attracted the strippers. Now add multiple floors to this strip club, and magical strippers that can pass through floors. Over time, the strippers will be drawn towards the richer customers, either moving laterally, or up down stairs to them. Hence a 5th dimensional strip club.

Now if we include the concept of hawking radiation, where the customers money is slowly evaporated over time, the gravitational pull of the customer decreases, the strippers will then migrate towards other customers as the 'gravity' well of now broke customers disappear.

Yes, I'm spending too much time in strip clubs. But I do get a lot of critical thinking done there.


(holy crap, if that doesn't get a POTY nomination.....)

[danasan]

I love the concept, but what the hell is a strip club?

[Red October1984]

I love the concept, but what the hell is a strip club?

:nope: Really?

[danasan]

No, not really. I've been there since the late '80s...:O:

[Platapus]

I think we are having a hard enough time defining a fourth dimension without worrying about a fifth? :yep:

[Sailor Steve]

I have a great big honking huge book on gravity, and 3/4 of it is nothing but formulas I don't understand.

But I have it, so there! :smug:

[TarJak]

Not math.... strippers.

Think of money wielding customers as gravity pits and the strippers looking to make money as objects passing through space. As they approach a customer, they are drawn to them. The more money the customer possesses, the more attracted the strippers. Now add multiple floors to this strip club, and magical strippers that can pass through floors. Over time, the strippers will be drawn towards the richer customers, either moving laterally, or up down stairs to them. Hence a 5th dimensional strip club.

Now if we include the concept of hawking radiation, where the customers money is slowly evaporated over time, the gravitational pull of the customer decreases, the strippers will then migrate towards other customers as the 'gravity' well of now broke customers disappear.

Yes, I'm spending too much time in strip clubs. But I do get a lot of critical thinking done there.


(holy crap, if that doesn't get a POTY nomination.....)

So what about the gravitational pull of the strippers pulling more customers towards a singularity?:hmmm:

[nikimcbee]

Not math.... strippers.

Think of money wielding customers as gravity pits and the strippers looking to make money as objects passing through space. As they approach a customer, they are drawn to them. The more money the customer possesses, the more attracted the strippers. Now add multiple floors to this strip club, and magical strippers that can pass through floors. Over time, the strippers will be drawn towards the richer customers, either moving laterally, or up down stairs to them. Hence a 5th dimensional strip club.

Now if we include the concept of hawking radiation, where the customers money is slowly evaporated over time, the gravitational pull of the customer decreases, the strippers will then migrate towards other customers as the 'gravity' well of now broke customers disappear.

Yes, I'm spending too much time in strip clubs. But I do get a lot of critical thinking done there.


(holy crap, if that doesn't get a POTY nomination.....)

Is it a Vegas strip club?
Is it an Oregon SC?:hmm2:

[nikimcbee]

So what about the gravitational pull of the strippers pulling more customers towards a singularity?:hmmm:

They have bigger bills.:haha:

[Betonov]

Mon deu. I think I found the 6th dimension :o

[Oberon]

http://www.iieh.com/images/stories/Blog/monthly/2012/06/Richard_Feynman.jpg

Richard Feynman approves of your chosen location for scientific research. :yep:

[danasan]

Why stick to only three, four or even five dimensions?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/c/c0/M-Theory.svg/600px-M-Theory.svg.png

I think it's nicer to have eleven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory). :yep: BTW: Type IIA and Type IIB aren't Uboats in this case! Well, maybe they are...

[Oberon]

It's a struggle to fit three dimensions into a Einbaum, let alone eleven! :doh:

[Gargamel]

Thank you for that reference Oberon!!

And I was implying that the visible tangible space time has 5 dimensions, not 3 as we think of it. Im just wrapping my head around observing 5 dimensions with my own eyes.

[Oberon]

Feynman was an awesome guy. :yeah:

But what about the possibility of alternate universes existing alongside our own, would that make a sixth dimension, with five dimensions existing inside each one? For every decision that every person makes, a new universe is born through the possibilities created by that decision, and then within that universe there are other decisions.

I find the universe itself so mind-bogglingly fantastical that I struggle to wrap my mind around the dimensions of it, my grandfather, who is now, I hope, understanding the universe in its entirety, once said that when you factor in the distance of a lightyear (10 trillion km) and how long the universe has been around for (13bn years approx) and theorise that the universe is expanding at the speed of light (which is not quite correct, but I think it was the vogue at the time, it turns out to be not quite as fast as the speed of light) then you multiply 10 trillion by 13 billion, and that's the rough diameter of the universe (presuming that it is expanding in a spherical fashion from the moment of the Big Bang and presuming that the speed is constant) even if you take the new speed of the expansion of the universe (73.8km/s/parsec) that's still a colossal number. Even the size of our own galaxy, one of millions, is approximately a hundred thousand light-years in diameter, and we are put one small planet, only twelve thousand KILOMETERS in diameter.


I'll end this post with a quote from another of my favourite scientists:

http://19.media.tumblr.com/vExSfRir7ksssdcedJ9d7wIco1_400.jpg

[Gargamel]

Those are more of 'transcendental' dimensions for this example. I fully agree with the concept of the multiverse, but that's not my point in this case.

I've always had issues trying to visualize anything more than 4 dimensions, and this little analogy of multi-2d planes seems to help me.

[Gargamel]

So... I tried this as a practical experiment. Turns out free movement within the Z axis has bugs that need worked out.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/01/stripper_in_critical_condition.html


Scary thing is, the girl I'm seeing (see open letter thread) is friends with her. She was freaking out the whole way home from work after that.

[TarJak]

A read of Flatland by A Square (Edwin Abbott), gives a great description of dimensions and the difficulty of understanding them from your own understanding of your own dimensions. The Victorian satirical social commentary is quite humourous as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland

[Gargamel]

Yes, an excellent story.