New York to outlaw electronic cigarettes ... what the heck is an elctronic cigarette?

[geetrue]

I didn't even know that they had such a thing as an electronic cigarette ... how would you Bogart something like this? :haha:


New York: Starting next week, selling electronic cigarettes to minors in New York will be illegal. State law already prohibits selling cigars, cigarettes and chewing tobacco to those under 18 and retailers can be slapped with a $1,000 fine if they are caught.

Sen. Owen Johnson, R-Babylon, sponsored the measure and says E-cigarettes “have not been proven to be safe for use at any age.”

The battery-powered devices are used to inhale vaporized liquid nicotine instead of tobacco smoke.

They were initially marketed as a safe alternative to cigarettes but some say their candy flavors appeal to minors.

More than 200 new laws will be on the books Jan. 1 and while some may seem silly or outdated others like the approval of
same-sex marriage in Maryland have garnered national attention over the past year.

More laws will pass January 1st 2013 like it will now be illegal for your dog to chase a bear in California

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/26/dont-release-hounds-raft-unusual-state-laws-to-take-effect-2013/?intcmp=trending

[Jimbuna]

This is them in the UK, I only know two people who use them:

http://www.skycig.co.uk/

http://www.evape.co.uk/

http://www.smokerelief.co.uk/

[mookiemookie]

It's what I used to quit smoking. I would bet that the tobacco companies are throwing plenty of lobbying dollars behind the campaign to smear electric cigarettes.

[geetrue]

This was the radom ad generated on top of this thread: :D


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[Gerald]

I'm not a smoker, but where is the biggest difference in taste,(and cost) in terms of them traditional,compared to these electronic cigarette...:hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm not a smoker, but where is the biggest difference in taste,(and cost) in terms of them traditional,compared to these electronic cigarette...:hmmm:


Long term costs? Well, your life if you continue smoking the good old 'backy from the farm. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Long term costs? Well, your life if you continue smoking the good old 'backy from the farm. :haha:

LOL :)

I had a go of one belonging to Kratos and it took a few pints of the barmans best ale to rid my mouth of the taste.

[Herr-Berbunch]

A bit mis-leading title there geetrue, I think the word 'minors' is very important and a ban to such is needed to prevent then becoming addicted to nicotine. I know of no sane person that would actually think a child being addicted to any drug isn't worth legislating against.

Also, if you really think the ads at the top are random . . . :nope:

:O:

[mookiemookie]

I'm not a smoker, but where is the biggest difference in taste,(and cost) in terms of them traditional,compared to these electronic cigarette...:hmmm:

It's an electronic device that's shaped just like a cigarette. When you inhale on it as you would a cigarette, a heating element in the device vaporizes a water and glycerin mixture that you inhale and exhale as you would smoke from a cigarette. The benefit is that you're not getting the chemicals that are in tobacco, and you can buy liquid that doesn't even have nicotine in it.

Since it mimics the act of smoking so well, it's handy to use when you're quitting smoking.

[Gerald]

^How much does a package cost today in US?

[Jimbuna]

^How much does a package cost today in US?

Oh come on now stay on track :har:

[Gerald]

Oh come on now stay on track :har: Do you play tennis again,:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Do you play tennis again,:hmmm:

Not at all...try keeping up to speed or better still...read my sig.

[mookiemookie]

^How much does a package cost today in US?

They're not sold in packs. You buy a rechargeable battery piece, the vaporizer, the tips and the liquid. The liquid goes in the tip, the tip goes into the vaporizer and the vaporizer screws into the battery. The whole set can be had for anywhere from $50 to $100. There's a lot of different types and designs, so prices vary a lot.

The only parts that are an ongoing cost are the tips and the liquid. One bottle of liquid lasts a long time, much longer than a pack of cigarettes. One bottle is probably the equivalent of 10 to 20 packs of cigarettes. Refill bottles are anywhere from $5 to $10 or $15 and up. Lots of manufacturers with their own special flavor formulas and whatnot.

On a dollar for dollar basis, it's cheaper than real cigarettes. Probably healthier too.

[mapuc]

They're not sold in packs. You buy a rechargeable battery piece, the vaporizer, the tips and the liquid. The liquid goes in the tip, the tip goes into the vaporizer and the vaporizer screws into the battery. The whole set can be had for anywhere from $50 to $100. There's a lot of different types and designs, so prices vary a lot.

The only parts that are an ongoing cost are the tips and the liquid. One bottle of liquid lasts a long time, much longer than a pack of cigarettes. One bottle is probably the equivalent of 10 to 20 packs of cigarettes. Refill bottles are anywhere from $5 to $10 or $15 and up. Lots of manufacturers with their own special flavor formulas and whatnot.

On a dollar for dollar basis, it's cheaper than real cigarettes. Probably healthier too.


It is. An elektronic cigarett does not contain all these stuff an ordinary cig. contain. Only The fluid and nicotine.

And this E-liquid can be an many different flavour and strenght(regarding nicotine)

I use to buy my stuff from Totallywicked

Markus

[mookiemookie]

I use to buy my stuff from Totallywicked

Markus

I only used mine for about 3 months after I quit smoking cigarettes. I gradually tapered off of it until I wasn't smoking anything at all anymore. It's still in a drawer somewhere.

[Red October1984]

The world must be completely cut off from New York and California. I swear, the stuff they do is crazy. New York City banned soft drinks over 32oz to cut down on Obesity. California is just....well....California.

:-? *%&$*#@ Crazy people living in those states or at least the crazy ones are leading. :hmmm:

[Spoon 11th]

30ml bottle of e-liquid costs about 15 euros and lasts about a month. The devices start from 12 euros of so. Cheap. ~90% cheaper than coffin nails.

[Tribesman]

The world must be completely cut off from New York and California. I swear, the stuff they do is crazy. New York City banned soft drinks over 32oz to cut down on Obesity.
They didn't ban soft drinks over 32oz, they just said some specific establishments couldn't sell fat boy portions anymore.
So if you want a lardy size jug of fizzy syrup you have to go to the shop next door to the restaurant.

[soopaman2]

Don't mind New York, they were only the ones to spread the no smoking in bars thing around.

The same swastika bearer, decided that 20oz sodas are taxable.

Now allow the ultraconservatives in NY lead, most likely by the Jewish Fascist Bloomberg, who owns his own media outlet, and oppresses anything he sees as immoral.

I am surprised more bible belt folks have not come up in the past ten years. You cannot even take a smelly dump in New York City without getting a ticket for it.

Ask Bloomy why he blocked Giuliani from a third Mayoral term when Bloomy was on the city council. But had no problems bending the laws when he wanted his third term.


Man the benefits of being a media mogul of a certain ethnicity!

[Tribesman]

Man the benefits of being a media mogul of a certain ethnicity!
wow:doh:
Are you joining Zeewolf and Alex with their nazi philosophies about the global jewish conspiracy?

[Betonov]

Tribes, I think Soops is being sarcastic. It's his MO since he started posting in GT

[soopaman2]

wow:doh:
Are you joining Zeewolf and Alex with their nazi philosophies about the global jewish conspiracy?

I missed a smiley I was trying to be funny.

I am local to this mess. I was around when my nightlife in "the City" went to hell. Because I couldn't have a smoke with my whiskey or beer.

Then to watch it spread to my state, then watch this jerk off tax soda?
I am betting I will have to pay extra for a freaking Coke pretty soon...

Bloomberg owns Bloomberg media, he is a Jew, A Jew in Media wants to control the world. Yeah I was playing on stereotypes, perhaps I deserved the goofy look you gave me, and I meant it to be joking,

Same way people mock how New Jersey smells, or equates me to a Jersey Shore character. A joke.

Am I allowed that same liberty?

I am worried because whatever asshattery comes out of New York, tends to spread south like the AIDS virus in Africa. (Is that offensive too?)

[danlisa]

30ml bottle of e-liquid costs about 15 euros and lasts about a month.

Ack, I should be so lucky! Lasts me about 10 days and that's a 36ml Nic solution.

It will be interesting to see how New York intend to legislate this.

ENDDs (Electronic Nicotine Delivery Devices) have no legal description and currently do not fall under Tobacco or Medicinal legislation or regulation. The FDA even attempted to block all US imports and subsequently failed due to the devices being nondescript. They're not even sold as a "quiting" device here in the UK, as the moment you put that on your packaging it can be termed as a medical device. I think the EU are currently trying to slap regulations on them but that will lead nowhere.

While some look like cigarettes, most don't and the sooner the whole ENDD market moves away from the 'look-a-like' form factor the better for everyone. Moving away from this will deter the minor "I wan't to look cool" issue which I suspect NY is trying to quash.

Here's mine, courtesy of Totally Wicked :yeah:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/danlisa_photo/6.jpg http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/danlisa_photo/32.jpg

[soopaman2]

It all comes down to this.

People wish to legislate on hotbutton things in order to seal votes, rather than legislate on useful things.

I honestly think all the homeless in the subways is a bigger problem than smokers.
Especially e-cigs, who you cannot even claim "secondhand smoke *overexagerated coughing*"

How about homeowner tax relief, or reigning in your public unions, and reducing all the double dipping pensions you have. Yeah I am talking to you. (Teachers unions, corrections officer unions) Retire at 40, get hired back, collect a pension and a salary, then eventually a double pension....

And people want to bust my private union??? My bennies got dropped, so we can continue working...

How about government cleans up its own house first, before putting its big fat Pinochio nose in mine.

[Takeda Shingen]

I am worried because whatever asshattery comes out of New York, tends to spread south like the AIDS virus in Africa. (Is that offensive too?)

It is, and you're starting to get dangerously close to crossing the line of what is acceptable here. Consider yourself warned.

The Management

[STEED]

Some weeks ago I was on a bus and this guy started smoking one of them, very little way of smoke and the smell was rather odd not like a fag at all.


BTW: I'm using the UK slang word for fag & not the American one which I know is different.

[mookiemookie]

Some weeks ago I was on a bus and this guy started smoking one of them, very little way of smoke and the smell was rather odd not like a fag at all.


Because it's not smoke at all. It's just mainly water vapor and glycerin. I used to use mine in bars where there was a no smoking policy (always after asking the bartender first) and never got any complaints. It's fairly unobtrusive to those around you.

[danlisa]

..It's fairly unobtrusive to those around you.

...and a very good conversation starter. I have so many people inquiring about mine and they have a genuine interest in how it works and why I use it.

[Takeda Shingen]

Huh. The first time I had ever heard about electronic cigarettes was on one of those late night commercials. Naturally I assumed that it, like most things advertised at 3 in the morning, was a sham. I am surprised to hear from this thread that it actually works.

[danlisa]

Huh. The first time I had ever heard about electronic cigarettes was on one of those late night commercials. Naturally I assumed that it, like most things advertised at 3 in the morning, was a sham. I am surprised to hear from this thread that it actually works.

And works well. Have been 'Stinky Free' since May, richer too, which is never a bad thing.

[Jimbuna]

And works well. Have been 'Stinky Free' since May, richer too, which is never a bad thing.

Well done Dan...over three years for me now and that was after well over thirty years of indulging in the appalling habit.

[danlisa]

20 years for me. :o (Those went by quick!) Hopefully no lasting damage done and at least I know I'm not doing any further damage.

[Jimbuna]

20 years for me. :o (Those went by quick!) Hopefully no lasting damage done and at least I know I'm not doing any further damage.

Rgr that mate and the best of luck during the possible hard times you may encounter on your journey :sunny:

I sought support in the extra beer I found I was suddenly able to afford :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm still going strong as well Jim. Imagine if you still smoked. Your diecast models would be going up in smoke.

[Jimbuna]

I'm still going strong as well Jim. Imagine if you still smoked. Your diecast models would be going up in smoke.

That's good Chris, you started shortly before me as I recall :sunny:

I doubt I'd be spending so much on diecast if I was still on the dreaded weed.

[NeonSamurai]

It's what I used to quit smoking. I would bet that the tobacco companies are throwing plenty of lobbying dollars behind the campaign to smear electric cigarettes.

I doubt it very much, I view all these things (smokes, e-smokes, quitting 'aids', etc.) as being multiple heads of the same hydra as they are all tobacco products (all produced nicotine comes from tobacco or similar plants).

e-smokes are a way to get around the previous laws and to generate new markets (or get kids hooked which is classic tobacco company behavior). No one also knows the effects of using this product yet, and probably won't for another 10 years.

The nicotine based quitting smoking aids are all well and good, unless you actually follow what they say in the instructions. It is interesting to note that a lot of people tend to transfer their habit from smoking to the quitting aid (gum, patch, whatever), and I would argue the instructions they give tend to promote addiction transfer not cessation, due to the amounts used and timescale of use, and that this is intentional. The cost of this stuff is also nuts.

I honestly suspect that the tobacco companies are behind all of this.

[danlisa]

^ Actually, if you look into the US ENDD system closely enough, you will notice that as recent as last year Tobacco Companies were buying out/up ENDD production companies. They realised the potential of the devices and realised the shift that dependants were making to a healthier option. They're not pushing the devices but they sure don't want to miss the boat on the profits.

Also, what costs are "nuts"? My ENDD has saved me over £1000 in 7 months.

While there are currently no accepted health studies on these devices any impartial study will show that they present no health concerns over and above any nicotine intake you incur within a normal diet, say consumation of Eggplants, Cauliflowers, Green Tomatoes or even Potatoes (yes, they all contain nicotine).

Let's be clear about one thing. I have given up smoking but I have not given up my habit and I have no intention to. I have retained the enjoyment I get from smoking, removed the health impact and reduced the financial impact on myself and on my countries health service. It's a win win for me.

[Jimbuna]

Let's be clear about one thing. I have given up smoking but I have not given up my habit and I have no intention to. I have retained the enjoyment I get from smoking, removed the health impact and reduced the financial impact on myself and on my countries health service. It's a win win for me.

A win win me thinks :cool:

[Platapus]

I just don't understand how anyone can afford to smoke these days. :nope:

Conga rats to all who have quit. At least in this instance, everyone likes a quitter. :up:

[NeonSamurai]

^ Actually, if you look into the US ENDD system closely enough, you will notice that as recent as last year Tobacco Companies were buying out/up ENDD production companies. They realised the potential of the devices and realised the shift that dependants were making to a healthier option. They're not pushing the devices but they sure don't want to miss the boat on the profits.

Also, what costs are "nuts"? My ENDD has saved me over £1000 in 7 months.

I was referring to smoking cessation products (ie patch, gum, inhaler etc), which at least in Canada, were crazy expensive (more than cigarettes even, which are also crazy expensive due to tax).

While there are currently no accepted health studies on these devices any impartial study will show that they present no health concerns over and above any nicotine intake you incur within a normal diet, say consumation of Eggplants, Cauliflowers, Green Tomatoes or even Potatoes (yes, they all contain nicotine).

I wasn't referring to nicotine consumption per say, more the delivery system. also those plants do not contain a whole lot of it and most of it is in the stuff people don't eat or are unripe

Let's be clear about one thing. I have given up smoking but I have not given up my habit and I have no intention to. I have retained the enjoyment I get from smoking, removed the health impact and reduced the financial impact on myself and on my countries health service. It's a win win for me.

That's good, personally I am happy to be mostly nicotine (minus vegetable intake) free :)

[Jimbuna]

I just don't understand how anyone can afford to smoke these days. :nope:

Conga rats to all who have quit. At least in this instance, everyone likes a quitter. :up:

Rgr that matey :sunny:

[Madox58]

I just don't understand how anyone can afford to smoke these days. :nope:




I told the Wife Since....
I quite doing the bar scene,
I quite hanging out with the Rough Crowd, (That intails bail money, fines, and court costs)
I quite running around with questionable Female types, (aside from the Wife herself)
And I quite betting on stuff?

I got plenty of money and I refuse to give up my last bad habit!

She asked me what it would take to get me to quite smokeing.
I told her a Mistress would do the trick.
I'm still smokeing.
:haha:

[Jimbuna]

I told the Wife Since....
I quite doing the bar scene,
I quite hanging out with the Rough Crowd, (That intails bail money, fines, and court costs)
I quite running around with questionable Female types, (aside from the Wife herself)
And I quite betting on stuff?

I got plenty of money and I refuse to give up my last bad habit!

She asked me what it would take to get me to quite smokeing.
I told her a Mistress would do the trick.
I'm still smokeing.
:haha:


LOL Jeff...nowt wrong with Nancy, you've a 'stayer' there :sunny:

[August]

I wasn't referring to nicotine consumption per say, more the delivery system. also those plants do not contain a whole lot of it and most of it is in the stuff people don't eat or are unripe.


Good point and if I may add:

Nicotine causes heart disease by decreasing oxygen to the heart, increasing blood pressure and heart rate, increasing blood clotting and damaging cells that line coronary arteries and other blood vessels. Nicotine narrows the blood vessels, increasing the heart rate and putting more strain on the heart. It narrows the arteries to make them vulnerable to atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries, which can led to heart attack or stroke.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/15659-does-nicotine-cause-heart-disease/#ixzz2GauXqPNi


In other words more nicotine equals more damage. Trace amounts of nicotine found in some foods should not be used to justify ingesting large amounts of the stuff for no other purpose than to get a buzz.

[Platapus]

Trace amounts of nicotine found in some foods should not be used to justify ingesting large amounts of the stuff for no other purpose than to get a buzz.

As you posted "Trace amounts" are the key.

An average cigarette contains about 9 milligrams of nicotine of which about 1 milligram is consumed by the body by smoking it. A typical cigarette contains about 1 gram of tobacco. (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/cigars)

The food that has nicotine occurring naturally in it have nicotine levels measured in nano-grams (1 billionth of a gram) per gram of food. Discounting the absorption ratio and the effects of cooking/preparing the food, I think that if a person were to consume enough food to come close to the amount of nicotine absorbed by one cigarette, they would have other gastric "issues".

One cigarette = 9 milligram of nicotine 0.009 gram
One potato = 15 nano-gram of nicotine 0.000000015 gram

(absorption rations not factored in)

So yeah, some food has nicotine - true fact
The amount of nicotine is of nano-significance compared to tobacco. :D

[August]

The amount of nicotine is of nano-significance compared to tobacco. :D

You are a steely eyed pun Master!