Define an "assault weapon"

[Neptunus Rex]

One that keeps firing when the trigger is held until ammo runs out?

One that has a magazine?

One that holds more than a single round?

One that looks like a "military" style weapon?

[Armistead]

Last definition that Clinton signed.

Semi-automatic rifles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_rifle) able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescoping_stock)
Pistol grip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_grip)
Bayonet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet) mount
Flash suppressor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_suppressor), or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade_launcher) (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle_grenade), though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).
Semi-automatic pistols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol) with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor)
Barrel shroud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_shroud) that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_firearm).
Semi-automatic shotguns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_shotgun) with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine.

Notice this list excludes most of the guns people today are referring to as assault weapons.

[soopaman2]

Something a patriot would use.

[CCIP]

I always thought of an assault weapons (or at least ARs) as something that fires a rifle- or carbine-sized round from a fairly compact package that does not require frequent reloading.

[soopaman2]

Fully automatic rifle round firing weapon. (being serious this time)

I am still searching for a negative agenda for this thread, or if the OP is as disgusted by the term "assault rifle" as I am?:06: Just wondering, alot of anti gun nuts abound, when bad crap happens, so I am naturally on guard.

As liberal as I am, I am conservative on guns. ;)

[Takeda Shingen]

I am still searching for an agenda for this thread, or if the OP is as disgusted by the term "assault rifle" as I am?:06:

Looks like you already brought one with your previous response, so I wouldn't say that it matters.

[nikimcbee]

Fully automatic rifle round firing weapon. (being serious this time)

Those have been illegal since the 30s. Se we can ban them again.:haha:

[Neptunus Rex]

There is no "hidden" agenda. This is the crux of the whole issue, what is an assault weapon. Not looking for the legal definition, but perception, because that is what drives opinion.

There are no gotcha's here.

[soopaman2]

Looks like you already brought one with your previous response, so I wouldn't say that it matters.

I was asking the OP to clarify, my troll detector rang a little bit.

My pro-gun stance has nothing to do with my interest in the purpose of this thread, considering all the other gun threads we have. I just want to know if I am responding to a troll, or a legit question.

I bought nothing daimyo-sama.

I was simply trying to feel out if this was pro or anti guns. So I could debate it properly.

[Neptunus Rex]

For the record, I am pro-gun, 2nd amendment and I have no interest in pile driving anyone that doesn't agree with me.

[Takeda Shingen]

I was asking the OP to clarify, my troll detector rang a little bit.

My pro-gun stance has nothing to do with my interest in the purpose of this thread, considering all the other gun threads we have. I just want to know if I am responding to a troll, or a legit question.

I bought nothing daimyo-sama.

I was simply trying to feel out if this was pro or anti guns. So I could debate it properly.

Oh come on.

Something a patriot would use.

It's fine if you feel that way, but that reeks of an agenda, which you accused the OP of.

And enough with the daimyo-sama stuff.

[soopaman2]

If there was an agenda on the OPs part, I hold no hostility.

I been nice, your the one attacking me Takeda.

I just want to know the op's intentions.

Before I accuse him of passive aggresiveness.

I am direct, I throw my views out there, despite peoples opinions on it.

I want the OP to do the same, before I invest any time arguing or agreeing with it.

As of so far, I been arguing with you Takeda, for no reason, as nothing has been clarified to me, just you attacking me, for asking for more info.

[Takeda Shingen]

If there was an agenda on the OPs part, I hold no hostility.

I been nice, your the one attacking me Takeda.

I just want to know the op's intentions.

Before I accuse him of passive aggresiveness.

I am direct, I throw my views out there, despite peoples opinions on it.

I want the OP to do the same, before I invest any time arguing or agreeing with it.

As of so far, I been arguing with you Takeda, for no reason, as nothing has been clarified to me, just you attacking me, for asking for more info.

Attacking you and attacking your point are different things. You need to distinguish between the two. I also explained that you brought an agenda with your patriot comment just as you accused Neptunus Rex of doing, which is certainly not fair to him, as the tone of his post was far more neutral than your's. You can backpedal if you want, but they are your words, not mine, not his.

As far as I can tell, he doesn't have an agenda, and didn't from the very first post. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[soopaman2]

Thanks Neptunus Rex.

I meant no hostility, nor meant to judge you on views pro or con to my beliefs.


Live and love in peace Neptunus Rex.:salute:

You too Daimyo. I am fulfilled :)

[Takeda Shingen]

You too Daimyo. I am fulfilled :)

Again, my friends here call me Tak. You can call me Takeda.

[Skybird]

Assault Weapon (Link) (http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Assault-Weapons.htm)

Assault Rifle (Link) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle)

Sissy Toy (Link) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQYngk6fpIg)

[Jimbuna]

I would have said 'a weapon which has full-automatic, "machine gun" capability'...a very potentially dangerous piece of kit indeed.

[soopaman2]

Again, my friends here call me Tak. You can call me Takeda.

Feels so undignified without the honorific.:D

[Takeda Shingen]

Feels so undignified without the honorific.:D

Then you may address me as 'My Lord' should you feel the need to grovel. Now let's stop crapping up the thread.

[Oberon]

Last definition that Clinton signed.

Semi-automatic rifles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_rifle) able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescoping_stock)
Pistol grip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_grip)
Bayonet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet) mount
Flash suppressor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_suppressor), or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade_launcher) (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle_grenade), though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

Semi-automatic pistols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol) with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor)
Barrel shroud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_shroud) that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_firearm).

Semi-automatic shotguns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_shotgun) with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine.

Notice this list excludes most of the guns people today are referring to as assault weapons.

Honestly, I think that this list covers it all. Most people who define Assault weaponry as Assault rifles miss out things like Uzis and machine pistols which are probably the iconic modern gang weaponry. Although to be fair, a ban on them would hardly affect gang warfare. :O:

[eddie]

I would have said 'a weapon which has full-automatic, "machine gun" capability'...a very potentially dangerous piece of kit indeed.

I agree.

[soopaman2]

But who is qualified to tell us groveling monkies what we deserve?

Since I am "crapping up the thread" I will bring a valid point, rather than defending myself.

Who is anyone to tell me what I could own?

ANY OF YOU!

I own an assault rifle, but I have no reason nor want to commit violence with it.

Should I suffer because we all let morons and mental cases handle guns?

I feel somehow I will get penalized for something a loony toon with mommies guns, killed a bunch of white babies.


Chicago, East La, Kansas City, I bet alot more died their to illegal guns, than my AR-15 will ever kill.

Yet I am the a -hole? Really?

Because I was vetted, I had an FBI check ran on me? I am the problem?

I am the solution.

[Sailor Steve]

I would have said "Anything used to assault an enemy position", but of course the very people who make the definitions have an agenda.

People who like guns mean "Any modern weapon used by the military in combat". People who don't like guns mean "Anything that looks remotely like a combat weapon". Everybody else tends to use the dictionary definitions.

[Stealhead]

I picked fully automatic personally I would say that any weapon that has a capacity of more than 12 rounds in a single magazine and is semi-automatic which can be fired in very rapid secession can be used in an assault type fashion if you want to really split hairs.

Myself I consider the type of weapon used by military forces the magazine feed long arm that will be either semi automatic and full automatic or have a burst fire capability to be a battlefield rifle the overall size may vary some are more of a carbine others more of a rifle. An example would be M4,M16,AK47,AK74,G36,SA80 these are battlefield rifles or battle rifles.

I would consider a belt feed sustained automatic fire weapon to be a machine gun or support weapon.An example would the M240,L7A2(same basic weapon),PKM,M249,MG3.

Next you have sub machine guns which are weapons generally having the appearance of a battlefield rifle only they fire pistol caliber rounds in semi automatic and fully automatic or burst fire SMGs also tend to be more compact than a battlefield rifle.

None of these weapons can simply be purchased in the US.You must have very strict licensing and the costs alone for anything fully automatic is prohibitive for must gun owners.Only a very small number of weapons in private hands are fully automatic.

As Steve said if you where a 1055 Viking about to pillage a pansy English village your assault weapon would be a long ax.

[Oberon]

I picked fully automatic personally I would say that any weapon that has a capacity of more than 12 rounds in a single magazine and is semi-automatic which can be fired in very rapid secession can be used in an assault type fashion if you want to really split hairs.

I think you need to amend the list to SA80A2 since the original could manage about five rounds before falling apart. :O:

[Madox58]

Only a very small number of weapons in private hands are fully automatic.
As built from the factory, I'll agree with that statement.
Illegal modifications? Who knows.
Then you have the issue of electronic trigger devices for semi-automatic weapons.
With one of those you can have a legal semi-auto then quickly make it nearly full auto!

And don't think one can't make one in heart beat!
Cordless drills/dremels work perfectly to create one.
:03:

[Stealhead]

I think you need to amend the list to SA80A2 since the original could manage about five rounds before falling apart. :O:

Well the same was true with the original M16.

@privateer never heard of the electronic trigger thing before now someone bump firing(pure idiocy) or just being very skilled at rapid fire single shoots(actually very deadly) that there is plenty of.As to criminals hard to say but they tend to prefer handguns most of the time for ease of concealment of course you can make some handguns fully automatic.
Sometimes for kicks I like to look at the videos posted on youtube by gang members and they usually seem to carry rather cheap weapons much of the time.


I don't know though I guess you would have to look the FBI or ATFs data on what they round up to have an idea what is most common.

[Armistead]

It seems clear Adam planned this, he tried to buy a gun, but couldn't. I would think that meant his mothers guns were secure from him and he took them, before or after he killed her. She owned several assault weapons, let's say she didn't have the 223's with the 30 round clips....would anything be any different if he went in with 2 pistols and a shotgun..maybe, maybe not....I think the only difference would've been how long it would've taken someone to confront him that could stop him, as far as I know he was dead before police came.

[Madox58]

I've also seen hand cranked attachments for semi-auto weapons.
On a held weapon, very iffy to hit on target.
On a mounted weapon, effective enuff to be faceing an actual full auto position.

Both the electronic and the hand cranked can be built to do round count fireings.

I want 3 rounds down range for a shot I can have it.

[Oberon]

Hand cranked?!

I thought they went out of fashion after 1885! :doh:

[Stealhead]

Well actually that would make a difference not much but a difference. If someone has an AR15 with a 30 round magazine they have a lot of shooting to do before they run out of ammo and have to reload which is a very fast process on an AR15 I can do it 3 or 4 seconds press the mag release mag drops out on its own slap in a new magazine smack the bolt closure ready to go again.


Regardless of your point of view on gun control you can say that any firearm that can fire more rounds before reloading and that can fire rounds rapidly in any fashion is going to have more effect than one that has less ammo capacity or a slower rate of fire.This is an obvious fact if it where not then armed forces would still be using breach loading rifles but they don't they went from those to bolt actions(faster) to semi automatic(even faster)to fully automatic (even faster) and the number of round per magazine went up progressively as well most bolts had 5 most semi auto had 10 and most fully auto have 20 or 30 the reason is the increase in effect.

[Jimbuna]

Hand cranked?!

I thought they went out of fashion after 1885! :doh:

Only when in a mood of sexual arousement whilst the lady is out of the house :)

[Madox58]

The hand cranked version came out before the electronic version.
Portable drills and dremels just made it easier.
A hand crank is unstable for hand held weapons.
You have trouble staying on center mass while cranking.

The electric version solves that issue and you only need to fight muzzle climb then.

Of course the proper muzzle flash will address that issue.

So, Say Semi-auto fire arms are out lawed.
Given the way things work? We create or increase a whole black market where crooks get rich and people still die.

[Stealhead]

The hand cranked version came out before the electronic version.
Portable drills and dremels just made it easier.
A hand crank is unstable for hand held weapons.
You have trouble staying on center mass while cranking.

The electric version solves that issue and you only need to fight muzzle climb then.

Of course the proper muzzle flash will address that issue.

Oh you where thinking of the minigun and the Vulcan.I would say that an electronic motor can also produce a far higher RPM than any hand crank could.

[Madox58]

Oh you where thinking of the minigun and the Vulcan.
I've seen both the hand cranked and electric triggers on Hand weapons.
:o

(A gun is different from a weapon. Ask any Infantry Guy. :haha:)

[Stealhead]

I've seen both the hand cranked and electric triggers on Hand weapons.
:o

(A gun is different from a weapon. Ask any Infantry Guy. :haha:)

Sure I am aware of that but a firearm is a firearm.

I am not sure I see the logic in an infantryman if he is holding a rifle in his hands which is a gun or firearm or gat whatever in that case its a weapon.:hmm2:

Anything can be a weapon but what ever you normally when you use that thing as a weapon it is a weapon.

Never heard the whole gun is different from a weapon thing though given the context of the situation it can be true the only one I have heard is that a rifle is a rifle not a gun but my dad was in Vietnam maybe they changed it.

[Madox58]

Upon calling his weapon a "Gun"?
The offender is usually required to run laps around his area doing several things.

Holding his weapon above his head for the entire time and shouting.
"This is my weapon! (Shakes weapon),
This is my Gun! (Grabs naughty area)
One is for killing (Shakes weapon)
One is for fun! (Grabs naughty area)"

:haha:

[Jimbuna]

Too much full metal jacket me thinks

Every country (especially western....even UK) can sight similar similarities :cool:

[Stealhead]

Too much full metal jacket me thinks

Every country (especially western....even UK) can sight similar similarities :cool:

Too much something.

[Madox58]

Too much full metal jacket me thinks


No Mate.
:D

That is what was done to me when I made the mistake of calling my M16 a "Gun".
:haha:

A lesson I have NEVER forgotten!
:har:

[yubba]

I came up with this last nite with my reloading buddy while we were disgussing how well the gun shop across the way was doing,,when the constitution was being written there was two forms of firearm in the 1700s the musket and the rifle and at the time the rifled flintlock was far more supeior than the musket, which the continential army was use-ing at the time and they had no problem of write-ing the 2nd amendment,.. So what part of not to be infringed upon don't you understand.

[yubba]

This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine, can't remeber the rest oh well I'll look it up later...

[Madox58]

With the current un-employment problems in the U.S.?
A new ban would only provide black market work for an untold number of people.

I personnaly know atlest 10 people that own equipment that can manufacture any part I need to convert or build a complete weapon.

I can build advanced Zip style weapons in my basement now if I so wish.
Hell, I could do that in the field if need be.

[Madox58]

This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine, can't remeber the rest oh well I'll look it up later...
That's the Riflemans Creed as used by the Marines.

[yubba]

That's the Riflemans Creed as used by the Marines.
You'd thnik I'd remeber it and I couldn't find my Graduation book where that was written in I couldn't remember my general orders either but boy could I shoot and blow stuff up...

[yubba]

With the current un-employment problems in the U.S.?
A new ban would only provide black market work for an untold number of people.

I personnaly know atlest 10 people that own equipment that can manufacture any part I need to convert or build a complete weapon.

I can build advanced Zip style weapons in my basement now if I so wish.
Hell, I could do that in the field if need be.
It didn't take that much to make the 45 cal grease gun of WW2 of course ammo will start to be an issue,, it was a circus at the gun shop today people lined up outside...

[Tribesman]

when the constitution was being written there was two forms of firearm in the 1700s the musket and the rifle and at the time the rifled flintlock was far more supeior than the musket
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:Yes there were only two types of firearm, all the other types of the 1700s didn't exist.

So what part of not to be infringed upon don't you understand.
The bit about criminals the bit about nuts the bit about blacks, you know general everyday stuff.

Hey yubs , how long have you been going on about the huge amount of trade the gun store is doing? every other news item gest you running up from the dumpster with your "people are buying guns" story.
Do they keep losing them and having to buy another or are they really really scared of whichever bogeyman Beck is taliking about that day?

[mapuc]

Even a little scissor and other none weaponary things can be an assault weapon in the hand of a person who knows how to use them.

Markus

[yubba]

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:Yes there were only two types of firearm, all the other types of the 1700s didn't exist.


The bit about criminals the bit about nuts the bit about blacks, you know general everyday stuff.

Hey yubs , how long have you been going on about the huge amount of trade the gun store is doing? every other news item gest you running up from the dumpster with your "people are buying guns" story.
Do they keep losing them and having to buy another or are they really really scared of whichever bogeyman Beck is taliking about that day?
Hey, Tribes, Merry Christmas, your liberal media doesn't want to talk about nuts, crimials, and how bad it is in black neighborhoods because it doesn't fit the narrative I see Michigan became a right to work state haven't heard much from the Libs on this except violent threats,,if they say blood should be spilled,, now who's blood would that be ??????? Well the gun shop sold out all it's semi auto loader military look a likes but he has plenty of pistols and shotguns,,so go ahead and say you want to ban something while you are trashing the constitution and the priciples of this great country and see what happens 3 million votes in the popular vote is hardly a landslide, and just because the states with the most debt had the most electroial votes, just means there are more takers than producers..and it will cost the taxpayers another 4 million taxpayer dollars to send your boy on his christmas vacation,, while storm victims huddle in the cold...

[gimpy117]

Last definition that Clinton signed.

Semi-automatic rifles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_rifle) able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescoping_stock)
Pistol grip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_grip)
Bayonet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet) mount
Flash suppressor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_suppressor), or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade_launcher) (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle_grenade), though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).
Semi-automatic pistols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol) with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor)
Barrel shroud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_shroud) that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_firearm).
Semi-automatic shotguns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_shotgun) with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine.

Notice this list excludes most of the guns people today are referring to as assault weapons.

agree, although I think telescoping stocks should be exempt, as long as a minimum size folded is kept, so it can be adjustable

also, I think there should be a law that compensators be reverse threaded and flash suppressors and sliencers be standard thread, or vice versa. while one serves a purpouse for accuracy (the compensator) the others are more about clandestine killing rather than target shooting. I for one, would want a pistol that could have an attached compensator for sport shooting purposes but have no need for flash hiders

[August]

Bayonet mounts. Now there's an imminent danger to the public, bayonet charges. Why not just say "if it looks black and scary it's an AW"?

[Onkel Neal]

Assault rifle: A semi-automatic rifle styled to look like a military weapon with little or no hunting value, but certain to inflate the ego of people who play too many video games and watch too many violent movies about gangsters, drug lords, war heroes, and assassins.

[TarJak]

Bayonet mounts. Now there's an imminent danger to the public, bayonet charges. Why not just say "if it looks black and scary it's an AW"?

http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/assets_c/2012/12/hellokitty_ar15assault-thumb-510x382-56465.jpg

All clear people it's got a Hello Kitty sticker on it.

[Tribesman]

so go ahead and say you want to ban something while you are trashing the constitution and the priciples of this great country and see what happens
Errrrrr...what exactly have I said I want to ban and what constitution and principles have been trashed?
Are you back on the booze again as you seem to be even more confused than usual?

3 million votes in the popular vote is hardly a landslide
Is this the same yubba that claimed the popular vote was lost by your current president?

Well the gun shop sold out all it's semi auto loader military look a likes but he has plenty of pistols and shotguns
So that crazy rash of handgun purchases with people queing round the block you were on about for many months didn't deplete the stocks of pistols, I bet they feel silly waiting all that time in the queue when they could have just walked in when it was quiet.

[Skybird]

Assault rifle: A semi-automatic rifle styled to look like a military weapon with little or no hunting value, but certain to inflate the ego of people.
Corrected that for you. :)

I agree.

[Neptunus Rex]

Lets keep is civil people! :down:

There are many members that will not participate in these things if sniping appears to be going on.

If your incapable of resorting to personal attacks in defense of your statements, the value of your opinion to the discussion is negated.

[Neptunus Rex]

Interesting points in this column;

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/12/22/10-facts-for-liberals--why-gun-control-cant-stop-another-newtown-massacre-n1472021

[Sailor Steve]

Errrrrr...what exactly have I said I want to ban and what constitution and principles have been trashed?
This is a valid question and arguing point.

Are you back on the booze again as you seem to be even more confused than usual?
This is trolling.

Just so everyone knows.

[TFatseas]

So, now because I own these so called "assault weapons", people can pass judgement on my personal character or psychological makeup? Through the internet even?


Also, the amount of ignorance about them in this thread is quite astounding.

[August]

Assault rifle: A semi-automatic rifle styled to look like a military weapon with little or no hunting value, but certain to inflate the ego of people who play too many video games and watch too many violent movies about gangsters, drug lords, war heroes, and assassins.

So that's what you think I own my AR-15 for Neal? Like Fatseas says in the preceding post:

So, now because I own these so called "assault weapons", people can pass judgement on my personal character or psychological makeup? Through the internet even?

Well how condescending and ignorant you are Neal Stevens. :nope:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Personal defenition of "Assualt Weapons"
1). Has a rate of fire between 1,000 to 500 Rounds per Minute.
2). Is full or semi automatic.
3). Fires rounds ranging from 9mm to 7.62 NATO.
4). Can use a variation of different sights.
5). Can be fitted with a flash suppressor and/or a silencer.
6). Is a civilan variation of a military weapon.
7). Is a military weapon (this includes sub-variations of the orignal weapon.)
8). Can have the prefixes AR, AK, or M.

Honest question here, why in the world would someone feel the need to own what some might call an assualt weapon?

[TarJak]

Honest question here, why in the world would someone feel the need to own what some might call an assualt weapon?
Does this answer your question?
http://msmagazine.com/blog/files/2012/12/original-1.jpg

[August]

Honest question here, why in the world would someone feel the need to own what some might call an assualt weapon?

Honest answer, it is the best weapon I can buy that will fulfill the Militia function for which it was intended. While it is somewhat obsolete compared to present day military weapons it uses the same caliber ammunition and many of the same parts which would better allow me to perform my duties as a militiaman should my community need me to do so. It's not a toy or a penile extension it is a tool that helps to maintain our freedom.

Now since we're talking about honest questions. Why do you personally need the right to free speech? What have you said or intend to say that justifies having this right? What about the right to privacy? Why do you need privacy from government inspection? Are you involved with a political movement that the government would like to squash?

See where playing the need game gets you? Any right can be considered as unneeded by somebody. We surrender our rights at our peril.

[Oberon]

:hmmm:

Come to think of it, the assault weapon ban list, looking through it, I don't think that this:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5297/5514712679_e0661d3b13_z.jpg

would count as an Assault Weapon... :hmmm:

[geetrue]

Not to junk up the thread, but it is an interesting topic.

Can you legally have an unmanned remote controled semi-automatic weapon on a tri-pod secured in a safe location on private property?

Just wondering, really not in the mood to do so, but it surely would offer a safe option for armed intruders to fire back at a unmanned gun.

[TarJak]

Not to junk up the thread, but it is an interesting topic.

Can you legally have an unmanned remote controled semi-automatic weapon on a tri-pod secured in a safe location on private property?

Just wondering, really not in the mood to do so, but it surely would offer a safe option for armed intruders to fire back at a unmanned gun.

You could set them up at the school perimeters. Noone will get near them then.:D

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Honest answer, it is the best weapon I can buy that will fulfill the Militia function for which it was intended. While it is somewhat obsolete compared to present day military weapons it uses the same caliber ammunition and many of the same parts which would better allow me to perform my duties as a militiaman should my community need me to do so. It's not a toy or a penile extension it is a tool that helps to maintain our freedom.
Does this Milita that you're a part of happen to be one of those unoffical ones that is almost every state? Not trying to sound offencive just wondering.


Now since we're talking about honest questions. Why do you personally need the right to free speech? What have you said or intend to say that justifies having this right? What about the right to privacy? Why do you need privacy from government inspection? Are you involved with a political movement that the government would like to squash?

See where playing the need game gets you? Any right can be considered as unneeded by somebody. We surrender our rights at our peril.
As for you other questions let me answer those with some other questions.
Would you rather have no free speech or you speech so limited that if you say the "wrong thing", the government would arrest you, throw you into prison, or execute you after beating you to a bloody pulp?
As for privacy, would you prefer to have random un-known persons walking though your house or yard? Because without the right to privacy someone could do that and theres nothing you could legally do about it.

Anyways please try to stay on topic, my question was relivent to the thread since the question was about assault weapons.

[Madox58]

Not to junk up the thread, but it is an interesting topic.

Can you legally have an unmanned remote controled semi-automatic weapon on a tri-pod secured in a safe location on private property?

Just wondering, really not in the mood to do so, but it surely would offer a safe option for armed intruders to fire back at a unmanned gun.
They make stuff like that for AirSoft so I'd bet they'd work for real firearms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdzajXBpmzg

[August]

Does this Milita that you're a part of happen to be one of those unoffical ones that is almost every state? Not trying to sound offencive just wondering.

I belong to the militia mentioned in the US Constitution. If you are asking whether I belong to some armed political or social sub group, then no I do not. I haven't even sent in my NRA membership yet.

As for you other questions let me answer those with some other questions.
Would you rather have no free speech or you speech so limited that if you say the "wrong thing", the government would arrest you, throw you into prison, or execute you after beating you to a bloody pulp?

As for privacy, would you prefer to have random un-known persons walking though your house or yard? Because without the right to privacy someone could do that and theres nothing you could legally do about it.

I know what I would prefer but i'm not the one advocating the limitation of anyone's rights. I'm just trying to determine whether you can justify a need for those rights and others. Personally I see a need for all of my rights including the ones not mentioned in the US constitution but especially the ones that are.

Anyways please try to stay on topic, my question was relivent to the thread since the question was about assault weapons.

And I answered it. I regret if it does not meet with your approval.

[geetrue]

They make stuff like that for AirSoft so I'd bet they'd work for real firearms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdzajXBpmzg

That is so good ... thank you kindly

They even make a paintball version so I could use fluorescent ones at night then call the cops telling them what to look for.


$499.99 airsoft version/ $599.99 paintball version + shipping

The Airsoft version uses a electronic relay to fire your gun with its intended battery so there is no performance gains to the gun itself.
The paintball version has a special electronic trigger mechanism to fire a mechanical trigger, no performance gains to the gun itself. No problems with regulations yet.

[Nicolas]

Any rifle more or less accurate + 30 bullets clip. Assault rifle automatic or not.

[eddie]

:hmmm:

Come to think of it, the assault weapon ban list, looking through it, I don't think that this:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5297/5514712679_e0661d3b13_z.jpg

would count as an Assault Weapon... :hmmm:

I don't know Oberon, but if those cannon were shooting grapeshot at me, that would definitely be an assault on my body!

[Jimbuna]

Too true :o

[Nicolas]

It's scary really, why someone should need so many bullets, shooting for fun?. They are going to ban the selling of large clips?.

[yubba]

Where's Tribesman he'll love this one, started out to be a typical day,, get up brrr. it was cold here in florida got a jacket on and went out,, walked by my magic dumpster oooh there's a leather love seat and a recliner, so I drag them around the corner, to early to mess with them need coffee go to race trac they have had free coffee all week, get my free coffee stop by subway, get 2 dollar 6 inch sub, get back clean the furniture and take them down to the road, sold in a hour a quick 20 bucks I no more than get the money in my pocket,,and,, the owner of the gun shop across the way that Tribeman likes so much asks me if I was busy,, I said, no what's up , He goes, I need a door man today,, go get your sidearm and meet me up front, only let 10 people in at a time with cell phones off,, I've worked in bars as a bouncer,, been a escort for crew off the USS. Pathfinder, but this was a first, an armed door man for a gunshop,, has the world truley gone mad I hope so, a 100 bucks for 6 hours of talking to people, one could get use to that.. Is there any thing else you liberals would like to ban I could really use the work..:rock::rock::rock:Almost forgot thank you Lord for your blessings today, the cash, pizza, the cokes and the extra boxes of ammo.

[TarJak]

been a escort for crew off the USS. Pathfinder, .
yubba! Now I have this image in my head of yubba in a short skirt, suspenders stockings and heels. :huh: yubba's escort service.:k_rofl:

[Onkel Neal]

So that's what you think I own my AR-15 for Neal? Like Fatseas says in the preceding post:

So, now because I own these so called "assault weapons", people can pass judgement on my personal character or psychological makeup? Through the internet even?

Well how condescending and ignorant you are Neal Stevens. :nope:


Sorry, August. I didn't mean to upset you. But the manufacturer of these guns seems to think they know why you own an assault rifle.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/bushmasters-shockingly-awful-man-card-campaign

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/12/17/16/enhanced-buzz-8264-1355781234-3.jpg

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/12/17/17/enhanced-buzz-8744-1355781876-2.jpg

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/12/17/17/enhanced-buzz-8195-1355782275-15.jpg

[August]

Sorry, August. I didn't mean to upset you. But the manufacturer of these guns seems to think they know why you own an assault rifle.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/bushmasters-shockingly-awful-man-card-campaign

Well lots of jerks on both sides of the debate seem to think they know why I own an assault rifle. Apparently you seem to think you know as well.

Well I've said why I own one. Can you accept it or is the 2nd Amendment a big joke to you too?

[eddie]

Well lots of jerks on both sides of the debate seem to think they know why I own an assault rifle. Apparently you seem to think you know as well.

Well I've said why I own one. Can you accept it or is the 2nd Amendment a big joke to you too?

Your sounding more like a spoiled child, just because people don't agree with you. Who cares why you own an assault rifle!!:rotfl2:

[August]

Your sounding more like a spoiled child, just because people don't agree with you. Who cares why you own an assault rifle!!:rotfl2:

I'm just continuing to argue my position. That's ok with you?

[CaptainMattJ.]

Assault rifle and assault weapon are two different things. an assault rifle is a weapon firing rifle rounds, but with the capacity to go fully-automatic.

There's no reason to have it anymore. Times have changed DRASTICALLY since the bill of rights was instated. There is no reason to have unrestricted access to weapons of all creeds. There is no reason to have automatic weapons for civilian use. the reasons for a militia are almost non-existant. Democracies around the world have unrelenting gun restrictions yet haven't turned to tyrannical dictatorships or anything of the sort. There were more legitimate reasons back in 1789 to have a civilian militia, when we had no standing army. Now with a pretty much permanent army and a fully democratic government where the MAJORITY leads, absolutely no reason to have militarily-armed civilians. Zero.

There are many uses for handguns. There are uses for semi-automatic rifles (hunting especially). None, however, for assault weapons.

My uncle for instance owns a semi automatic AK-47 that is not capable of automatic fire. He only has 10 round clips. in that sense it is a rifle, firing rifle rounds. and isn't an assault weapon. if that AK-47 was automatic and/or he used 30 rounds clips, then it's only proper purpose is to kill or injure GROUPS of other people. You don't need fully automatic weapons and you don't need high capacity clips. Not for self defense and not for hunting. The ease of faking your way through tests and owning an assault weapon on the other hand, is allowing for easier access to weapons designed for killing/injuring MANY people in very short amounts of time.

I was one of the first people to point out that banning assault weapons won't stop these things from happening. But it will help deny these people these military-grade weapons that can cause untold horrors in no time at all.

[Onkel Neal]

Well lots of jerks on both sides of the debate seem to think they know why I own an assault rifle. Apparently you seem to think you know as well.

Well I've said why I own one. Can you accept it or is the 2nd Amendment a big joke to you too?

August, I'm sorry, my remarks were not very well-suited for this situation.

[Hottentot]

I was one of the first people to point out that banning assault weapons won't stop these things from happening. But it will help deny these people these military-grade weapons that can cause untold horrors in no time at all.

Curious, though, how come these nuts more often than not come armed with pistols and perhaps a rifle instead of bigger stuff? Or is it just the media calling an automatc weapon "a rifle", much like they tend to call an SMG a "machinegun". :hmmm:

[Armistead]

The liberal news keeps reporting why no one needs an assault type weapon with larger clips, stating the power and destruction of the gun. That's enough reason for me to have the right to own one. No matter the ban, criminals can still easily get these guns off the street, I should have the right to meet the criminal on equal footing.

In past years, police often went against criminals with AK's, AR's, etc, often fully auto and they often lost because they didn't have the firepower to fight back. Finally, many officers were allowed to carry equal firepower. If you think it seldom happens, try watching youtube....

We have millions of illegal true assault weapons coming across the border, yet I haven't heard anyone liberal saying let's close our borders down.

[Sailor Steve]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/bushmasters-shockingly-awful-man-card-campaign
I prove my manhood by ignoring their childish campaign. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

Assault rifle and assault weapon are two different things. an assault rifle is a weapon firing rifle rounds, but with the capacity to go fully-automatic.
That's your definition. Most of these tragedies are not committed with fully-automatic weapons.

There's no reason to have it anymore. Times have changed DRASTICALLY since the bill of rights was instated.
Not really.

There is no reason to have unrestricted access to weapons of all creeds.
There is no reason to have a lot of things. Should we ban everything anybody finds "no reason" for?

There is no reason to have automatic weapons for civilian use. the reasons for a militia are almost non-existant.
We don't have automatic weapons for civilian use. You can buy one legally, but only after passing the required criteria and becoming a registered dealer. Again, it's the semi-automatic rifle you seem to find alright that is used most for these crimes. Actually it's plain old pistols that are used most, but you're trying to justify one while condemning the other, so we'll stick with rifles for the moment.

Democracies around the world have unrelenting gun restrictions yet haven't turned to tyrannical dictatorships or anything of the sort.
On the other hand, all the tyrannical dictatorships that are out there exist because the populace of their countries are disarmed.

There were more legitimate reasons back in 1789 to have a civilian militia, when we had no standing army. Now with a pretty much permanent army and a fully democratic government where the MAJORITY leads, absolutely no reason to have militarily-armed civilians. Zero.
Your opinion only. Reread Franklin's legendary quote.

There are many uses for handguns.
Others would argue otherwise. Your opinion (and mine, in this case) is no better than theirs.

There are uses for semi-automatic rifles (hunting especially).
I have to call you on this one. I can hunt just fine with my 5-shot bolt-action 1903 Springfield. Semi-autos that fire as fast as you can pull the trigger are not needed for hunting, or for any other situation.

My uncle for instance owns a semi automatic AK-47 that is not capable of automatic fire. He only has 10 round clips. in that sense it is a rifle, firing rifle rounds. and isn't an assault weapon. if that AK-47 was automatic and/or he used 30 rounds clips, then it's only proper purpose is to kill or injure GROUPS of other people.
Now you're trying to pick and choose, and justify one that is just as deadly as the other. Your uncle can blow off ten rounds in a couple of seconds, and kill a couple of people. Or he can carefully fire one shot per kill, and reload one of the ten magazines (they aren't clips) in three seconds and go on to kill ten more just as quickly.

It is just as much a killing machine as a fully automatic rifle, and experience with both tells me that it's actually more so, as "spray and pray" misses more than it hits. You don't need either one, if you really want to make that argument, and your justifications for one over the other are completely misplaced.

You don't need fully automatic weapons and you don't need high capacity clips. Not for self defense and not for hunting. The ease of faking your way through tests and owning an assault weapon on the other hand, is allowing for easier access to weapons designed for killing/injuring MANY people in very short amounts of time.
How much experience have you had shooting either one? I would say at this point that you don't know what you're talking about.

I was one of the first people to point out that banning assault weapons won't stop these things from happening. But it will help deny these people these military-grade weapons that can cause untold horrors in no time at all.
As I just pointed out, your uncle's "assault rifle" is more deadly than the fully automatic "assault weapon" you so readily condemn.

[Sailor Steve]

The liberal news keeps reporting why no one needs an assault type weapon with larger clips, stating the power and destruction of the gun. That's enough reason for me to have the right to own one.
:rotfl2: :rock:

[August]

Curious, though, how come these nuts more often than not come armed with pistols and perhaps a rifle instead of bigger stuff? Or is it just the media calling an automatc weapon "a rifle", much like they tend to call an SMG a "machinegun". :hmmm:

Part of it is willful misrepresentation by the media and ignorance, but part of it also comes from conflicting terms between rifles and handguns.

A pistol that uses gas produced by the previous round to cycle the bolt and chamber the next round is called an "Automatic" even though it's a semi-automatic in that it produces one shot per trigger pull.

A pistol called a Double Action Revolver also produces one shot per trigger pull but since it uses manual strength to prepare the next round for firing instead of gas it is not considered a semi-auto.

Now a rifle that uses gas but produces one shot per trigger pull is called a Semi-Automatic. When it comes to long guns "Automatic" is reserved for firearms that shoot for as long as the trigger is depressed.

AFAIK there is no such thing as a Double Action Rifle.

BTW even the word Rifle is a misnomer as well. It refers to only the circular groves in a barrel which give the bullet a ballistic spin and can be present in handguns, shotguns and muzzle loaders as well as "rifles".

[MH]

Quote:
You don't need fully automatic weapons and you don't need high capacity clips. Not for self defense and not for hunting. The ease of faking your way through tests and owning an assault weapon on the other hand, is allowing for easier access to weapons designed for killing/injuring MANY people in very short amounts of time.
How much experience have you had shooting either one? I would say at this point that you don't know what you're talking about.
How much experience have you had shooting either one? I would say at this point that you don't know what you're talking about. Right...the only reason to own this type of guns is for fun as toy or zombie attacks.
That is if you are living in normal world....not a war zone.
I can understand having shotgun for home defence or hand gun but ak 47?...its ridiculous.

I wonder if you people really believe in what you write here....yet i can understand the need to defend your constitution and avoiding dangerous precedences in legislation but im not sure if bull****ting yourself and others to death is the correct way.

[Sailor Steve]

AFAIK there is no such thing as a Double Action Rifle.
Hmm. I never noticed that before, but now that you mention it...

I'm a big fan of single-action revolvers myself.

[Sailor Steve]

Right...the only reason to own this type of guns is for fun as toy or zombie attacks.
Do you have something against toys? I can't speak as to zombie attacks, as they don't seem to happen in my part of the world.

bull****ting yourself
You might want to refamiliarize yourself with the language rules.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language

[August]

I wonder if you people really believe in what you write here....yet i can understand the need to defend your constitution and avoiding dangerous precedences in legislation but im not sure if bull****ting yourself and others to death is the correct way.

Y'know our belief in the right to defend oneself also makes us sympathetic to plucky little Israels right to exist. Do you really want to tell us we're fooling ourselves?

[August]

Hmm. I never noticed that before, but now that you mention it...

I'm a big fan of single-action revolvers myself.

I hesitated on including that as i'm sure that someone has stuck a long barrel and stock on a revolver at some point.

[mookiemookie]

I'm kinda disappointed that street sweeper shotguns are more or less illegal. I'd absolutely have one of those for home protection. If a burglar breaks into my house, they'd have to scrape them off the walls when it was over if I had my way.

[Sailor Steve]

I hesitated on including that as i'm sure that someone has stuck a long barrel and stock on a revolver at some point.
Actually they came that way from the factory. My late friend Rocky owned one of these:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/1873_revolver_carbine.jpg

It was one of my favorites to shoot. I could tell stories...

[MH]

Do you have something against toys? I can't speak as to zombie attacks, as they don't seem to happen in my part of the world.


You might want to refamiliarize yourself with the language rules.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language

No i have nothing against toys but...how many people own the guns as toys and how many openly admit it?

If you can handle gun you should be able to handle some stupid not so nasty word.


Y'know our belief in the right to defend oneself also makes us sympathetic to plucky little Israels right to exist. Do you really want to tell us we're fooling ourselves?LOL ouch.....up to you....you can open new thread addressing this issue.:haha:
Also read exactly what i wrote...about precedences in legislation which might be worth defending in the big picture.

[August]

It was one of my favorites to shoot. I could tell stories...


Do tell, do tell! :yep:

[Hottentot]

I'm kinda disappointed that street sweeper shotguns are more or less illegal. I'd absolutely have one of those for home protection. If a burglar breaks into my house, they'd have to scrape them off the walls when it was over if I had my way.

It doubles as a mosquito deterrent. Have you ever tried hitting a mosquito with a pistol?

[Sailor Steve]

If you can handle gun you should be able to handle some stupid not so nasty word.
It has nothing to do with the word, or with me handling it. It has to do with Subsim's rules, which you can either follow or accept the consequenses.