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Skybird

09-02-14, 06:09 AM

The 7mm Magnum Bullpup is well-rendered but by weapon design looks ugly. The shooting sound also is inferior to for example the Anschütz 8x57 or 9.3x62, it sounds ugly as well. reloading sound slike pushing something out of a rubber lock, and then back into it again, or like pulling the cork out of a bottle. It uses all special and red dot scopes as well as the Anschütz scopes, but not the one Blaser. It reloads faster than many other rifles, especially the early default game rifle.

The thing is precise. Very. No need to elevate the sight over long distance to compensate for bullet drop, there is none that is apparent to the player. There is less wobble in the scope than with the heavier anschütz or the Blaser rifles, to reflect the different weight balance of the weapon, and this already at very low skill levels. And when laying flat on the ground and holding breath, it sits like on a tripod.

The projectiles seem to deliver less damage, but more penetration. As a result this thing drops simply everything, at any range, easily. Not necessarily dropping it in place if it is not a heart shot, but the fleeing distances are extremely short. It is ethical for anything bigger than foxes, but not for foxes and birds, rabbits.

This is a highly effective rifle, maybe the most effective in the game. Its just that I do not like it by its looks and sounds. I prefer my Blaser and my two Anschütz.

I think it is almolst to über-powered for the balance scheme of weapons in the game: No bullet drop, maximum stability, maximum penetration, and good trophy integrity nevertheless due to the great penetration but small damage.

I will level it to 100 kills, and then give it up: to score those easy 8 HS points, I am at 591 and want to reach into the Mach 6 range before giving up on this scheme of playing, and focus on big trophy searches in the future. I am just bringing rabbits, foxes and coyotes to the 100 kills mark and then have all species at a minimum of 100kills, taking those points (with some species now marking up to 350 kills). With my main weapons also almost all levelled ans scored to their maximum points, after the next 20 points or so there will be no upscpring for me in reach for a long, long time to come... Just to make it into the 600s... :)

biosthetique

09-03-14, 01:16 PM

Killing virtual defenseless animal is always better than to kill real defenseless animals. I mean defenseless by, not being able to return fire.

I have yet to meet on of those animal hunter to sign up for the corps and go in Afghanistan hunting humans with their same level of skills and hardware. Because that type of hunt might scare some big great white hunters!

Nippelspanner

09-03-14, 01:20 PM

Skybird

09-03-14, 03:29 PM

Man, you really need to lay back a bit!

http://www11.pic-upload.de/03.09.14/p5afaqmo8wza.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-24486367/broder-bild.jpg.html)

Skybird

09-08-14, 07:22 PM

Terror in the forest - I'm at Mach 6 ! :D

http://www11.pic-upload.de/09.09.14/s7l65k925zb.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-24544696/Unbenannt.jpg.html)

Its all because of those glasses. They do wonders in making them freezing in place, wanting to stare at me in disbelief!

Philipp_Thomsen

09-08-14, 11:47 PM

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les green01

09-20-14, 02:16 PM

hadn't play in a while with the overtime im putting in but did reup for a yearmaybe soon I can spend a day enjoying it

Skybird

09-20-14, 06:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8qu0kXs9Rs

The new reserve in the French Alps and the ibex as new species have been confirmed, first video footage.

Val-des-Bois will feature the ibex, foxes, roe deer, brown bears and red deer. It will also add the need to mountain climb with new equipment like ropes etc in order to reach the ibex' refugium.

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ibex.jpg

Skybird

09-25-14, 05:02 PM

With today's game update, the new reserve Val-de-Bois has been released, featuring the alpine reserve, climbing, damage from falling, and the Ibex as new species. They say the Ibex is difficult to hunt, it does not call nor react to callers (so there are none), is very wary, and it often escapes into difficult to reach locations of the map.

They also for the first time ever indicate the size of the now 8 reserves together, setting the mark at approximately 75 km2.

http://news.thehunter.com/status-update-100/

I'll check it out tonight.

Nippelspanner

09-25-14, 05:26 PM

Well, I've had a incredibly awesome 5hrs hunt with a buddy to check out what quickly became our new favorite reserve, besides Hirschfelden.

First, the bragging:
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http://i.gyazo.com/ce83d6e3ec1aa6fa48a4b6fbb6774836.png

And now some words.

Ibex difficult to hunt? Not at all, really.
In many places you have a great view and in greater hights (where the Ibex are), you won't find many obstacles. You can easily spot them with your MkI Eyeballs and rifles like the .300 make it a piece of cake to drop em, even at large distances. Side note: do not use the 9.3mm at these ranges, I decided to test the weapons long range capabilities today and was shocked how displaced some shots are compared to the .300 (no doubt the best long range weapon in the game).

They do however notice one quickly and flee. Thanks to the bad AI Expensive World has gifted us, they get stuck often or have difficulties finding a way out and sometimes even return. After a while, they stop running, mostly never leaving line of sight.

They go in groups, mostly and do stop rather often to feed, not like the Reindeer which are constantly walking their eternal march to doom.
Regarding strength, 9 of 11 animals were dropped dead in their tracks, 2 tried to run...for like 5 meters. Calibers used where 6.5mm and 9.3mm.

Overall, I didn't think I'd love them so much, they are fun to hunt!

On Vale des Bois in general...
Awesome map. The view is breath taking for tH possibilities and the map offers everything you can want. Wide and open terrain, soft hills, sharp rocks and mountains, rather thick forests, a river (that is very accessible) and some lakes. In one spot of the map you think you're in the Scottish lowlands, on the other side of the map you can nearly smell the fresh air of the Alps, it is amazing.
The sound athmosphere is, so far, great as well and underestimated in importance by many users I think.
You hear eagles cry while high in the mountains, birds tweet in the forests and the river running smoothly beside you. No annoying grass hoppers or super loud birds, something people often complain about in regard of other maps.

There is a lot more to say about it, especially positive things, but I'm tired and discovering it for yourself is better anyways.

One thing that annoyed me where lots of glitche in the graphical section though. Transparent rocks, flickering and other weird stuff. My buddy experienced some of it too. Also, my buddy got stuck while standing next to a cliff. There was no obstacle or anything that would explain that... map glitch I guess.
I hope they are going to flesh it out sooner or later...

Tl;dr: Great map, Ibex is fun and rewarding to hunt.

Skybird

09-25-14, 05:55 PM

Skybird

09-25-14, 08:04 PM

Beautiful reserve. Some landscape impressions:

http://www11.pic-upload.de/26.09.14/eu1cr1re2im.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-24732445/thehunter_2014_09_26_02_05_39_627.jpg.html)

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http://www11.pic-upload.de/26.09.14/18pd2s1xcli.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-24732482/thehunter_2014_09_26_02_20_02_300.jpg.html)
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Nippelspanner

09-26-14, 03:57 AM

With the 9.3, beyond 150m aim one handwidth higher or so, 10-15 cm. It has a noticable bulletdrop compared to the .300. The .300 is more precise, but has slightly less punch at maximum range, some say (I agree), it's real "disadvantage" (not the special edition that cannot be bought) is its ugly looks (its one of the oldest weapons in the game, so a very early design of their artists), and it has no cartridge, needing longer time to reload.

For the ibex at maximum range, the 6.5x55 and 8x52 I would expect to be the weapons of choice, with the 6.5 probably preferred. I mean the ibex is no giant of an animal, isn't it.

Well, I will see. Carrying the 6.5 gives me a nice excuse to carry my .454 as well, for the brown bears. :D
The ptoblem with the 9.3mm wasn't even bullet drop, I compensated well for that, the problem was or is overall in-accuracy of this crappy rifle. On all long distance shots I noticed the hits where off horizontally and vertically, which really disappointed me from an authentic point of view... then aagin, at these ranges every rifle in the game should be more or less spot on. "Balance" I guess.

But!

I do prefer the 6.5mm anyways, it really was just a test-run for the 9.3mm yesterday.

You mentioned that the .300 has less power...
While the 9.3mm is surely stronger, I never ever experienced the .300 to underperform or disappoint me, be it accuracy, penetration or power, even on Elk and Bear.

Shot placement > Power.

Still the best LR rifle in the whole game, even after all the expensive toys they threw at us. The looks are OK for me, though I prefer natural/wood materials over this plastic crap any day.
The lack of a magazine is also no real disadvantage in my eyes. I had maybe 5 situations in total where a Fangschuss would have been useful. Then again I had hundreds of situations where this rifle dropped its target on the spot.

Now, if they'd just fix the darn sound of the K98!!!
Drives me so mad. It sounds like the shooter would stand 10m away from you... not as if you would fire it. Kills all the immersion and fun for me.
If they fix that, this rifle easily will be my one and only choice for everything it is permitted for - except Roe maybe... (overkill).

Skybird

09-26-14, 05:44 AM

Well, its last but not least about habits, isn'T it. The two Anschütz mentioned are two of my three preferred rifles, and I run the 9.3 with a hit rating of 94% in the statistics, I think. What I hit with it, no matter the range, usually drops. I must say I had more problems with the .300 when shooting elks and black bears at long distances, too many aftersearches.

The looks, I do not like the plastic shafts either, but the .300, the original one, is an old graphics work of theirs, and it shows in the details. Later rifles their artist designed are polished with more love and details. The bonus version of it that currently cannot be bought, looks better already. That's what I meant. All the old rifles like the .240 or .270 look old by now.

I like the scope of the .300.

Against my original intention I got the 7mm Magnum rifle. Actually it is a damn good kit in the game, absolute precision and good penetration power, not complaining with even the heaviest game there is, doing slightly less damage than the 9.3 and .300. It seems many people in the forum say that for them this is the most effective rifle in the game now. Its just that I cannot get used to the looks and the sound of it. The 2x shotgun and the two Anschütz rifles imo are the best sounding rifles in the game. And then there is the .454, of course. I do not leave the lodge without it anymore. :) I will level the Bullpup to 100 kills for the HS point boni, 20 kills still missing, then leave it behind.

Heck, us players run around in that virtual wilderness, armed to the teeth with multiple firearms as if we are going to war... :D

Nippelspanner

09-26-14, 05:56 AM

Skybird

09-26-14, 07:20 AM

All I can say is that I have learned to compensate with the 9.3 over long distance. The greater problem with it I would say is that it has more wobble in the scope than for example the 6.5. That seems to reflect that it is the heavier rifle. Though from my experience with SLR camera equipment I would argue that added weight can stabilize the view, not destabilize it. But i have never shot with rifles in real life, only bows.

The 9mm rifle also has remarkable stable vision, even at very early skill levels already.

But the 9.3 seems to have the biggest wobble of all rifles I use. And that although I have it at a higher skill rating than any other rifle (Lvl 8)

Nippelspanner

09-26-14, 07:53 AM

All I can say is that I have learned to compensate with the 9.3 over long distance.
You can't compensate the base-inaccuracy of a rifle, though.
I do not talk bullet drop, I extra mentioned the horizontal(!) offset, which is very noticeable with the 9.3mm at "extreme" distances (theHunter related).

With other weapons I do not experience that, or not as much.
Especially the original .300 will place the round where you really want it.
It is known to be the most accurate gun ingame.

Regarding weapon weight, your assumption is correct.
A heavy weapon rests way more stable on whatever you place it and especially if put on a sandbag in prone position or something like that.
Heavier rifles also experience less impact from the shooters body movement (shaking/vibrations etc.) or heart beat.
At ~800m+ you can really see what a difference a low heart rate and shooting between two heart beats can make.
This is worse with a light rifle and much more noticeable.

The only pro argument for light rifles is that you can hold them up more stable for longer if you can't rest it anywhere. Then again, that isn't really necessary in hunting mostly.
This is also one reason why military grade sniper rifles are quite heavy, compared to civilian hunting rifles. While your average hunting rifle will weigh around ~3.5-4.5kg,
where a German army G22/AW-F (.300) will weigh around 9kg loaded and with scope.

The heavy rifles being more shaky in tH is, I suspect, a victim of the beloved "game balance".

Alicatt

09-26-14, 08:28 AM

Regarding weapon weight, your assumption is correct.
A heavy weapon rests way more stable on whatever you place it and especially if put on a sandbag in prone position or something like that.
Heavier rifles also experience less impact from the shooters body movement (shaking/vibrations etc.) or heart beat.
At ~800m+ you can really see what a difference a low heart rate and shooting between two heart beats can make.
This is worse with a light rifle and much more noticeable.

The heavy rifles being more shaky in tH is, I suspect, a victim of the beloved "game balance".
Following on in to look at Skybird's lovely pictures.

I was going to say the same thing myself, my .22LR target rifle, BSA Mk2, was a lot heavier than my .303 Lee Enfield and was a lot more stable in use. Standing shooting was another matter, with the low recoil of the .22 you stood and braced different than the .303 but still I would not like to have to hold either of them up for too long.

Nippelspanner

09-26-14, 08:59 AM

Following on in to look at Skybird's lovely pictures.

I was going to say the same thing myself, my .22LR target rifle, BSA Mk2, was a lot heavier than my .303 Lee Enfield and was a lot more stable in use. Standing shooting was another matter, with the low recoil of the .22 you stood and braced different than the .303 but still I would not like to have to hold either of them up for too long.
Thanks for the input!
And welcome to Subsim, land of crazy.:D

Skybird

09-26-14, 09:03 AM

You can't compensate the base-inaccuracy of a rifle, though.
I do not talk bullet drop, I extra mentioned the horizontal(!) offset, which is very noticeable with the 9.3mm at "extreme" distances (theHunter related).

I can just say again, vertically I have learned to compensate, like I learned that with the .22 as well which has far more obvious ballistic effects beyond 50m, and horizontally I never became aware that there is a huge offset between aim point and hit point.

At 200m, the animals also is so small in the scope that you cannot aim for 5cm precision :) anyway, at least not in the game.

However, I now avoid such distances anyway. It now is rare that I shoot beyond 150m, and with rifles I usually get closer than 100, with the .223 even closer than 50m.

These are my stats with rifles that I used for longer than just ten shots or so. The differences are anything but stellar, the diference they do not show is my subjective impression of how easily a kill was scored by instant kill in place, or needing a long aftersearch. The 30-96 and the .300 gave me more worries in this regard.

http://www11.pic-upload.de/26.09.14/3fd71kyqq6w3.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-24736232/Unbenannt3.jpg.html)
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http://www11.pic-upload.de/26.09.14/bcjebue2tsdl.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-24736241/Unbenannt.jpg.html)

For the rifles I use in the main, I have levels 7 and 8. So there should not be any noticable skill differences between them.

I have the impression that some rifles have more obvious gains from raising skill levels, than others. The 9.3 - I see no real difference between 3 and 8, to be honest, the wobble looks the same to me. The Bullpup at level one already was easier to aim with than the 8x57 at 7. The uplevelling of the 6.5 imo saw propgressive gains in wobble decrease.

I wonder if they really have all those details in right the way they intended the system to work. It is no game-breaking issue, all of his, but I would handle the whole system - and trophy damage and callibre - differently. It is here where the game indeed is more game than sim, I fear.

The .22 is nice due to its heavy ballistic effects, but I suck with it. And with shotguns at birds I also cannot really shine.

Skybird

09-26-14, 09:22 AM

I just noticed by chance that the controversy about their "mobiler Hochsitz" has found a positive effect, apparently. I know got one. When they came up with that idea, buyers of the DVD ediitons were intentionally left out. In the shop I now see that it lists one of these items as being owned by me.

Where to set it up, I wonder...

Skybird

09-26-14, 05:56 PM

Some more pics.

Have seen more of the reserve tonight, great place, though it seems they hurried a bit too much in executing their intentions: there are many floating textures. So: idea and artistic planning: A, execution: D. They need to do some post-release polishing. Which unfortunately they have never done with any reserve, at least not in the visual department.

This could nevertheless become my favourite reserve, maybe. Its stunning how they captured the change in atmosphere once you leave the forest and climb into the mountain, under this wide and empty sky. Great!

http://www11.pic-upload.de/27.09.14/5ywxjqd9d3.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-24741261/thehunter_2014_09_26_16_40_48_569.jpg.html)
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Philipp_Thomsen

09-29-14, 01:27 PM

I've got the 7mm and I'm enjoying it.

But I must say the game has a bug that completely threw me off and I haven't played since.

I have eyefinity setup (3 monitors) and the game runs in that resolution, making some amazing visuals.

HOWEVER, the huntermate doesn't detect footprints in such resolution, so every time I find footprints I need to change my resolution back to 1920x1080, identify it, then switch back to 5760x1080. And after I do that, the graphics look a bit weird, colors get screwed up, and the only way to fix it is by restarting the game. Everything else gets detected normally with the huntermate in my normal resolution, just not the damn footprints.

And after you've played in 5760x1080, you don't ever accept going back to 1920x1080, ever!

This is the same reason why I'm not playing SH5, no eyefinity support.

Pisses me off.

Nippelspanner

09-29-14, 01:31 PM

While I can see where your frustration is coming from, that is simply the downside of being a tech-pioneer who has to use the newest/latest toys.
It won't be fleshed out/supported all the time.

I enjoy my tH in 1920x1080 without these bugs... :O:

Skybird

11-05-14, 07:38 PM

Important update: it now is possible to play Arkanoid within the game again, on the Huntermate display. :D No longer killing time on your highstand with 80s-style car races alone. :haha: They even run a forum highscore list.

And for the narcissistic macho hunters amongst us: you can now have beards. :shucks:

The population density of animals at the alpine reserve has been reduced. Which is welcomed.

Lord_magerius

11-05-14, 09:02 PM

As a side note, I'm back again, got my personal stuff sorted so I'll be on most nights. Just look for Monkster87 to add to friends or just look for a server with that name :D

Skybird

11-06-14, 01:28 AM

Found an issue tonight, my account seems to not exist anymore, at least both name and password do not get accepted anymore. :shifty: Customer service time. I wonder what they have messed up this time. Unfortunately, technical reliability is not the shining part of The Hunter, it seems, theiur launcher was and is crap, apparently, or their account register. Its the second time I am locked out. :hmph:

Nippelspanner

11-06-14, 03:15 AM

Well, good news is your account (http://www.thehunter.com/#profile/skybird/) is not gone.
Hopefully you did not get hacked or something.
But I wouldn't worry too much.

Cybermat47

11-06-14, 03:55 AM

Great screenshots, Skybird :salute:

Skybird

11-06-14, 07:15 AM

Well, good news is your account (http://www.thehunter.com/#profile/skybird/) is not gone.
Hopefully you did not get hacked or something.
But I wouldn't worry too much.
I'm not worried, I'm pissed. Its the second time that the technical unreliability of their crappy launcher locks me out and hinders me from playing when I want. Last time the lock lasted 8 months for me and some others as well, and saw a complete service failure of theirs. No playing, only repeated downloading and reinstalling, and no feedback in emails or in the forums.

All that while I paid money.

The game is great. The launcher, and the company is not. My attitude towards EW is - frosty. If only they would not have such a good game.

Skybird

11-06-14, 07:16 AM

Great screenshots, Skybird :salute:
I have them by the dozens and dozens... :)

Mud

11-06-14, 09:18 AM

Played it also a few times under nickname Kerion :cool:

http://www.thehunter.com/#profile/kerion/statistics/lifetime

It's been awhile since I played the hunter

Skybird

11-16-14, 09:25 AM

Expansive World has reported to have 4.5 million registered users.

Skybird

11-17-14, 05:09 AM

Looks more like a Magnum than a .22, but is my new .22 for sure. Nicknamed "Grasshopper". For everything feathery and hopping.

http://www11.pic-upload.de/17.11.14/3d5tn764htm.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-25283166/thehunter_2014_11_16_15_13_06_084.jpg.html)

Also got the Karabiner 98K, since it is at -50% reduction currently. They surely designed its looks very well! Great looking model, maybe the coolest looking rifle in the game.

The Hunter - several games in one! :D
http://www11.pic-upload.de/17.11.14/hse2ggn1acux.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-25283785/thehunter_2014_11_17_12_43_27_490.jpg.html)
Has been added back to the Huntermate. If you never owned it before (I got it with the 2012 DVD), you still need to buy it. But if it costs I would say it is not worth it, the auto- race has more playable).

The Huntermate also features a camouflage-effectiveness indicator, colpour-coding how effective the items fo your cloathing are in your current location. Personally I by now ignore cloathing effects completely and even do not use scent-reduction spray anymore. People overestimate the importanc eolf these, but they only mean something when you are very close to the deer. At those ranges when you usually use a rifle or revolver, these effects should not play a role and should not be needed, if you move with care. I use cloathes for camouflage only when hunting by bow and want to get as close as possible.

Skybird

11-19-14, 10:11 AM

A new rifle has been released, and like the Bullpup it is a 7mm Magnum with the same ammo and same range of ethical validity. So I assume they reacted to the criticism voiced by some about the ugly looks of the Bullpup, offering an alternative in looks while providing the same functionality.

http://www11.pic-upload.de/19.11.14/mk7vns8nbm2n.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-25307116/Unbenannt.jpg.html)

Whether it handles differently (more or less sway in the sight) or is of different weight, I cannot say.

They should have offered this before the Bullpup, I would have preferred this new one over that ugly SciFi design.

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK1DlHXqrVM

By the video I just understood that the rifle has no internal magazine nor a cartridge for mounting several rounds, but loads just one round.

Since I just got the K98 and still will need time to level it up, I will not consider this rifle in the forseeable future. I like that ancient carbine, btw: less sway than the Anschütz 8x52IS, but having the same efficiency. They modelled the looks of its 3D model very nice.

Nippelspanner

11-19-14, 11:54 AM

A Stutzen, finally. And also a break-open rifle, awesome!
Many players are begging for that since...forever.
While the rifle doesn't make me have wet dreams, it is on my "maybe" list, due to the 7mm caliber.
I assume there won't be another 7mm soon, so...this or the ugly craprifle they released earlier.

I like it.

Just wish they would find another tester. This "McTube" guy is killing me with every video. :/\\!!

Skybird

11-19-14, 05:12 PM

...this or the ugly craprifle they released earlier.

That other "crap rifle" actually looks ugly, yes, and the Anschütz rifles sound better, too - but in all other regards it is a superior performer in the game. I hate to admit it, but it is true.

Ugly - yes; crap - no!

:salute:

Crappily ugly, maybe. :D

Nippelspanner

11-19-14, 06:41 PM

Pretty much what I meant.

Arclight

11-26-14, 11:24 AM

In the last couple of years we have received numerous requests to add dinosaurs to theHunter. We’ve always felt that a game around hunting dinosaurs in a Jurassic environment could potentially be a lot of fun, but also worried that it would undermine the realism and credibility of theHunter, qualities that made many players fall in love with the game.
http://news.thehunter.com/introducing-thehunter-primal/

Skybird

11-26-14, 04:39 PM

^First thing I did was checking the date to make sure it was not April 1st... :D

Lord_magerius

12-03-14, 07:36 PM

Seeing as it is a side project, and that The Hunter is still their main focus, I'm actually looking forward to this new Primal game. Might be nice to have the hunter being the hunted. With the game engine and the way the original game works, it might be quite interesting to see how it is implemented.

Skybird

12-11-14, 08:15 AM

http://store.steampowered.com/app/322920/

I am still sceptical on how this impact on the future work on The Hunter. It must cost resources if they have not increased their resource base. And as a matter of fact two important guys just left some weeks ago.

I will test it for free, maybe, but so far have no intention whatever to invest money in it. Will also not link my non-steam TH-account with Steam, even if I would then benefit from my account equipment in Primal.

At least we now know why TH was brought to Steam at all some months ago. A test run for them, to see what Steam does for them.

Nippelspanner

12-11-14, 09:10 AM

Who left? Where did you read that?
I could imagine some people are not so happy about the over-glorified "Pim-effect".
Maybe they left out of frustration. I am frustrated to see where the road leads to.

And I agree, it MUST cost resources, this silly Dino-project that will fail in the end anyways (mark my words...or don't...).

But who cares about pages of minor and major bugs that await fixing... let's throw more stuff out that brings dem moneyz!

:stare:

Skybird

12-11-14, 10:49 AM

Two long-standing guys had left some not so long time ago, responsible for marketing, and the web platform design, UI and menu systems. I do not know for sure, but I would not be surprised to learn that they left due to the Primal project, means: due to them disagreeing with the course of the company.

But that is just my speculation.

The effort needed for Primal would have been better spend for doing a new reserve that is very much demanded sinc elong time: Africa. And then implementing some of the new game elements in the Hunter, instead of Primal. Not to mention repairing some of the long-lasting, never-to-be-adressed issues that The Hunter also has, despite its overall joyful beauty gameplay value.

To release a new game in the year 2015 with a now clearly outdated graphics engine that was put together in the years before 2006 - well, it tells you something, doesn't it. They often excused themselves when rewfusing to adress this or that that they would not fully understand the engine. Nevertheless using that engine they still do not fully master for a new game... I hold back my trust and praise.

Betonov

12-11-14, 12:38 PM

Skybird

12-11-14, 03:52 PM

They could always rent the engine to a third party company, or maybe even a daughter company and just collect royalties for the engine.

Hunting dinosaurs would market even better. What's the thrill of hunting if you're not also the prey :arrgh!:
That engine looks good, but is OLD. It was made before 2006. Nobody with a sane mind would rent that anymore. Really, it looks good, but you cannot overlook that it has long since started to show its age.

Betonov

12-11-14, 04:03 PM

That engine looks good, but is OLD. It was made before 2006. Nobody with a sane mind would rent that anymore. Really, it looks good, but you cannot overlook that it has long since started to show its age.

Well, if they update the engine they'd be foolish not to lease it for a dino hunting game :D
Even if the game flops, they wouldn't loose money. Just not get the extra profit from royalties.

Maybe primal will have a new engine and the classic Hunter will be updated when the Primal engine is nice and tested :hmmm:

Skybird

12-11-14, 05:40 PM

Judging by the screenshots, it is one and the same old engine they use.

I think it is an attempt to milk the same old cow twice.

Mud

12-14-14, 07:48 AM

1 day to go and tbh I'm looking forward to Primal.
If I must believe the countdown timer the release is Monday morning EU time.

CCIP

12-14-14, 02:22 PM

Hm, I'll only give Primal consideration if it uses a more "normal" marketing model - a survival game with microtransactions is kind of a no-no to me :shifty:

Skybird

12-14-14, 05:15 PM

One of the developers gets quoted with his answers on some other board or at FB. He should have said this:

No micro-transactions, day-night cycle, weather cycle, SP in principal a MP session with just one player, multiplayer coordination recommended for taking out T-Rex, specs comparable to that for TH, same render distance like in TH (220m or 230m, something in that range). The reserve is slightly bigger than those currently in TH.

We'll see. Since the Early Access is said to be free, I maybe will have a glimpse at it. A micro-transaction subscription membership I categorically rule out for myself, if it gets pushed in through the backdoor, also any pay-to-win model or time-limited subscription for itself. I plan to stay with TH for the time being and focus on that. My subscription for it I have prolonged until December next year just not so long time ago. I will not pay for two such business models.

Nippelspanner

12-14-14, 07:08 PM

...same render distance like in TH (220m or 230m, something in that range).
AHAHHAHAHA... oh my... it is nearly 2015, TWENTY FIFTEEN.
Get Real wannabe developers! :har:

It is bad enough in tH, but in "primal"?

Step forward: Giant T-Rex pops up. :timeout:
Step backward: Giant T-Rex disappears. :doh:
Step forward: Giant T-Rex pops up. :timeout:

I can't wait to see that! :har:

CCIP

12-14-14, 07:12 PM

Eh that's easy to fake, if it's a tropical island, you just make it hot and humid, then limit the fogging distance :D

It'd still be dumb, but relatively speaking, it sort of works I guess.

Speaking from experience with Stalker games, where even with more advanced mods like Misery the draw distance is shorter than even that, if balanced right, it doesn't take away from immersion. You just have to make sure it's managed right in the game.

And that's the thing, I'm not really interested in the technological side of it, what I want to see is a survival game with a good design. "Open-world "survival"" games are a dime a dozen these days, but it ain't technology or draw distance that's holding most of them back from being any good...

Skybird

12-14-14, 07:53 PM

In The Hunter, drawing distances of anaimals were no serious issue to me. In Primal - I am not so sure. The animals are much bigger, they seem to be able to pose serious threats to the player, and the screenshots not only show forest areas, but also open plains.

Skybird

12-15-14, 08:20 AM

Early Access shows to be not free, but costs 20 bucks.

Its not worth it for me to invest that money just to test this. Trailer video shows me the same graphcis engine and nothing that would tell me that I must get into this.

Mud

12-15-14, 09:43 AM

You miss out Skybird, it's thehunter with a twist ... Thehunted

This pretty much sums up my experience, shame fraps froze :oops:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AM2zu4QSbI

Nippelspanner

12-15-14, 11:27 AM

Coming from Alien Isolation... I can only chuckle at that.
So far, nothing that gives me the feeling I miss out.

Yes, yes, master race elitism, I know. :D

Cybermat47

12-16-14, 05:55 PM

theHunter Primal looks good. The Tyrannosaurus Rex has feathers, which is accurate.

Skybird

01-17-15, 07:28 AM

They say that they have started work on a new reserve. :) Nice, that is what it is about for me in the main: reserves. No further detials were given, only that they have left the starting line.

I would not dare to expect it earlier than autumn, probably later.

Also, a new species is sneaking its way into VDB. Not being fully identified, they say it is not completely new,but a variation of an already existing one. Release date not given, but I think it will be much earlier than autumn... :)

Nippelspanner

01-17-15, 12:05 PM

They say that they have started work on a new reserve. :)
Good for them.
After all they will need more people to subscribe, my subscription is lost for good. Won't waste another dime on this crap.
I am sick and tired of this "developer" team and their BS.

Skybird

01-17-15, 04:18 PM

This should be considered before attacking them for their business model:

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.idg.se%2F2.1085%2F1.582007%2Fsv ensk-vinst-i-jakten-pa-speljagare&sandbox=1

Hit the translate button. It's not a natural thing that they even are still there as a studio doing business. They were close to shut down.

Also, for an online game, they are still on the cheap side of things.

Skybird

01-21-15, 08:06 AM

This is a customer-confirmed list of the content you get with this year's DVD edition (2015) of TH in Europe (thanks for posting it at the game's weesite, Erasser_SK):

6 months subscription

Weapons
.243 Bolt Action Rifle
.30-30 Lever Action Rifle (Lone Star)
12 GA Pump Action Shotgun
.270 Bolt Action Rifle
.44 Revolver
.357 Revolver
Compound Bow "Snakebite"

Scopes
4x32mm Rifle Scope
4-8x32mm Rifle Scope
2x20mm Handgun Scope

Lures
Deer "Bleat" Call
Deer "Grunt" Call
Turkey Box Caller
Pheasant Caller
Elk "Bugle" Caller
Hog Scent Spray

Clothing
Basic Boots
Basic Pants
Basic T-Shirt
Boone & Crockett Cap
Basic Pants
Basic Jacket !!Warning - i dont get this item!!

Equipment
Compact Digital Camera
8x42mm Binoculars
HunterMate Minigame
Scent Eliminator
Wind Indicator
Camping Supplies
First Aid Kit

Backpack

Happy Camper Tent

And the new species to be hunted in VDB has been spotted successfully:http://i.imgur.com/dpwGJHR.jpg?1
(thanks to Kusanderi)

Skybird

01-23-15, 08:34 AM

European rabbits have arrived in VDB. They live in colonies and hide in burrows when spotting a threat, which makes them of different behaviour than their virtual American cousins.

Skybird

02-12-15, 05:23 PM

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screen_04.png

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screen_03.png

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screen_02.png

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screen_01.png

The new reserve being worked on will be the garden of the kangaroo-eaters! :D

Appropriate clothing already is available:

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2015_australian_set.jpg

Cool looks, Dundee! Except the pumps, I mean... :D

les green01

08-30-15, 04:39 PM

I try the 303 no shake for me had 2 kills with it nice rifle but went back to the 30oz6 still shakes seem like the long bow don't have much of a knockdown even with a heart and lung shot

Skybird

09-05-16, 08:39 AM

Long Time no see,

after the meanwhile release of their Arctic reserve, which is huge, has its nice sides, but all in all failed to become too popular with me, they have announced the upcoming
next reserve, which has me regaining interest in the game again: a Rocky Mountain-based reserve at autumn.

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/mountaintrail_vista.png

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/firewatch_sunset.png

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/hiking_trail_aspen.png

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/niceforest_lake.png

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ruinedtrapperhutinforest.png

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/mining_place.png

This will be the 11th reserve in the game then, if I hjave counted correctly. When I found the game in 2013 I think, there were just 5.

For coin-milking, a plethora of new weapons had been introduced since last time I posted in here, and some new species, but that all is not so much important and needed,
especially the many new birds and rifles are nice, but not essential. However, some biggie-bug-fixing was done as well, a few long-lasting issue being removed.

Nippelspanner

09-05-16, 10:43 AM

The screenshots look great, I won't deny that.
However, I abandoned this game for good. It disappointed me one time too much.

Animals are still completely lifeless and robotic - especially my beloved Roe deer.
The engine starts to get old and its limitations get annoying.
Animals are still way too present and collecting a dozen or more in 30-60min. is still no problem at all on some maps.

My problem still is: It deteriorated to nothing but a shooter that gets more and more 'casual' to attract the peasants for a quick slaughter-fest, instead of a hunting simulation.
This, combined with the disgustingly greedy and insolent business model with completely over-priced in-game objects schießt den Vogel ab.

Shame there is absolutely no competition for them, this would stir things up quite good.

Skybird

09-05-16, 10:57 AM

Economic needs and gameplay demands by the crowd needs to be balanced with "realism". A game where an animal is seen just every three hours or so, would not even get out of the starting block, but would be condmened as a "walking simulator".

I like the game still for what it is. The balancing to me works well enough. I see it in the category of relaxing, even recreational games that also ETS2 or OMSI would fall into.

The business model just is what it is. I am not forcced to buy new items. The price for base equipment and then only subscritpion, is okay. They make it easy for players to spend more, yes. But nobody must follow in that. I have not played a single event or tournament at all in these years. Its not needed.

Nippelspanner

09-05-16, 11:06 AM

Economic needs and gameplay demands by the crowd needs to be balanced with "realism". A game where an animal is seen just every three hours or so, would not even get out of the starting block, but would be condmened as a "walking simulator".
Complaining about the world being too crowded with targets doesn't mean I am asking for the absolute opposite extreme, does it?
This is a common fallacy I read from tH fans a lot. One criticizes something and instead of addressing his point or opinion, people form a straw man and imply he asked for the very opposite extreme, which isn't the case.
Not saying you meant to do that, but that's kinda how it came across.
I agree of though, no one asks for a walking simulator, it wouldn't go well.
But right now? It is just the other extreme.

I'm not looking to mindlessly trash this game, I'm just genuinely disappointed what happened to it and I used to really love this game way back when it started out.
Can you say "Pim-effect"? :shifty:

Skybird

09-05-16, 03:03 PM

The Pim-effect, as they call it, was the only one thing that has prevented a project that was close to fiscal collapse from going bancrupt. ;) Else, the game would have been dead since several years by now .

I know this guy gets plenty of Flak, but without his swinging-around of the rudder and the more aggressive coin-milking they now do, the game and the mother company would have gone off business several years ago. Today, the studio is no longer depending on financial help by the mother comopany - the mother company gets fianced by the developer instead.

So, this Pim-effect must have made a significant difference. The difference between business death and business survival.

That is a fact. The good old days (which had many bugs, few reserves, few species, ugly weapons and several details in gameplay that almost killed the game during its first 18 months), where not really that good at all, I seem to understand. And most important: it were days when the company back then almost killed itslef with ruinous business policies.

I have my quarrels with them myself. I do not like the at times unacceptable low internet stability of their servers, and their prone-to-malfunctions patching procedure. The rest I can forgive - as long as I am left with the choice, and do not get forced to invest into stuff I do not want to invest into. Which is bird-hunting.

Nippelspanner

09-05-16, 03:28 PM

The Pim-effect, as they call it, was the only one thing that has prevented a project that was close to fiscal collapse from going bancrupt. ;) Else, the game would have been dead since several years by now .
Gotta interrupt right there, because this is highly debatable.
You claim the game would be dead if not for him or rather what he changed. We don't know that. What he did worked, yes, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have worked any other way but we will never know.
I know I would still support this if they wouldn't be trying to grab money at every opportunity while they are still unable to fix the game, or rather some important aspects.
Let me guess, Reindeer organ-map is still completely bonkers?
As in: Shoot it in the lungs -> get a brain-shot registered.
Or the weather? Still raining way too much, right?
The sound still too loud for many players and still no sliders in the options, right?
What about the botched iron sights for many rifles?
Robotic animal behavior that is 100% predictable?
Or the various stability and network issues? MP is SO frustrating.
And don't get me started on anything duck or geese. That is basically my main point when I talk about money grab. "Hey, psst...wanna hunt ducks? Ok but... spend ~50€ first so it actually works for you...OK? Fair enough?"
That... gnah...

Instead of addressing this, they copy&paste new weapons into the game for ridiculous prices. "Muh don't have to buy". Yes, and I don't. The point is their priorities. The point is the stupid community falling for shiny new toys instead of understanding that the base game is severely lacking. 100 reserves, species and guns are great - but not if the rest flat out sucks due to bad maintenance and support - because why give a "§%() as long as people buy the 'new' toys?

Once they fixed that and countless other things and start becoming user friendly, I'd even consider returning. But this won't happen, no way.

All worked up now over nothing. TH still gets to me it seems.
End of discussion for me, it's pointless anyways.
If you can enjoy this mess, good for you - no sarcasm here - I wish I could look past all this, but I can't.

Skybird

09-05-16, 09:26 PM

That the changes were necessary, WE DO KNOW for sure from several of their team members have said that and confirmed that over the past 3 years. The diffiuclt first years also are known, the game almost sunk already in 2009. They left no doubt that if they would not have followed Pim Holfves' way to generate more income, they woud have had to shut down already years ago. Their early business model simply did not work, it did not generate enough income to keep the boat floating.

The game now finances whole Avalanche company and crossfinances several other project developments thta Avaslanche without The Hunter would not have been able to shoulder, thats successful it has become - due to the changes and policies implemented by Pim Holves. As a result the number of subscribers went steeply upwards and into the sky.

Avalanche made him their president for that, if I recall correctly. And obviously many players like the results of the "Pim-effect".

On the other things, no I did not think it rains to much, I never thought that, and some sounds are better than others but the birds are what they have been before and I do not know why to complain now if it had not been complained much on in the past 7 years. The iron sights are point-and shoot, when I use them they work fine, and ballistics and proper callibre physics never were on the list anyway, but had to be balanced with the general game's design needs. Its no hardcore rifle simulation. Much of the stuff is for immersion only. Players choice.

I recommend you simply do not play this, if you do not like it. What is so fascinating for you in this lament, that the last time you posted in this thread was early last year and you said you do not like it, and now you come back and continue where you have left 18 or 19 months ago - just for complaining. :hmmm:

Simply don't play what you don't like. Leave it behind.

P.S. And then there was this, from almost exactly 2 years ago:
http://forum.thehunter.com/viewtopic.php?p=613087#p613087

Mind you - staff said that 2013 was the first year when the game actually generated profit. That means from 2009 to 2012 it was deficitary. Not before 2014 they could start to pay back their debts to Avalanche.

Nippelspanner

09-05-16, 09:28 PM

Simply don't play what you don't like. Leave it behind.Would have helped if you would have read my posts... or rather read more carefully.
Nevermind though.

Skybird

09-30-16, 06:06 AM

Rockies with new bear models.

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/theHunter_R-2016-09-29-16-15-51-46.png

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/theHunter_R-2016-09-29-15-56-44-72.png

And some moving footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go01ZePu1QE

Looks good to me.

Skybird

10-07-16, 07:23 AM

New species, Bighorn Sheep:

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/BigHornSheep_2.jpg

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/BigHornSheep_1.jpg

There are 30 huntable species now.

With the upcoming Timbergold Trail reserve, there will be 11 reserves now. When I started with The Hunter in late 2012, there were just 5 reserves.

Havent played since some months, but now the year is in that part of the time cycle again when games like this are to be played more again.

Skybird

10-14-16, 09:12 AM

New species for the new reserve revealed: the Rocky Mountain Elk.

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/2016.10.13-15.35.24.jpg

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/2016.10.13-15.27.50.jpg

I like the looks of this new reserve already now.

Skybird

10-14-16, 09:38 AM

It indeed looks stunning, breathtaking, beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmWHOFlFUVg

Skybird

10-24-16, 08:59 AM

Timbergold Trails has been released some days ago. Its easily one of their visually most beautiful reserves, and it also is huge, must be one of the two biggest in the game. The colours of autumn are more vivid and warm and friendly and - well, more colourful than on the Hirschfelden map, which is a bit too brownish, for my taste, autumn in Germany does not look that brownish at all. Currently the map has some sound issues and some problems with some of the animals' behaviour (at least in some people's opinion who think the snow ptarmigans are too difficult to hunt, but I just welcome that difficulty). Still, already now a very beautifu reserve - one of my favourites from immediately on. I also already had a first encounter with a grizzly, and as to be expected, the beast did not like to be disturbed, I ran into it in thick woods and bushes and could put it down just at last second after it rolled over my dog and now was charging me.

Really, I like this reserve. A mix of Hirschfelden, Redfeather Falls, Settler's Creek and Valle-de-Bois. The far distance panoramas can be breathtaking.

Graphics also have been beefed up, the lowest texture level previously in use no longer is there, and it seems the rendering distances of animals seems to have been slightly increased, maybe by 20-30 meters (220 or 230 meters before, now 250-260m).

http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/31971244/2016-10-241541-RockyMountains-Grizzlybr22.5.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-31971244/2016-10-241541-RockyMountains-Grizzlybr22.5.jpg.html)

http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/31971248/2016-06-040135-Hirschfelden-Reh0.0.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-31971248/2016-06-040135-Hirschfelden-Reh0.0.jpg.html)

http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/31971250/2016-10-241534-RockyMountains-RockyMountain-Wapiti67.4.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-31971250/2016-10-241534-RockyMountains-RockyMountain-Wapiti67.4.jpg.html)

Skybird

11-24-16, 10:57 AM

Oh look who is coming:

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/wolves_forest_WIP.png

No, that is no coyote.

Skybird

11-30-16, 06:05 AM

Finally, it will happen: The Hunter moves to Next Generation: called "Call of the Wild", a new Hunter game with new gfx engine is currently mulled to be released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGOTYfGMyoE

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/theHunter_cotw_lookout_tower.png
Featuring the core play elements of The Hunter Classics, the new game is said to also add new elements. It will be a one-time purchase, so they said. Which can mean everything and nothing. :)

More news on it here: http://callofthewild.thehunter.com/en/

http://callofthewild.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/screenshot-roe-deer-female.png

And here: http://news.thehunter.com/introducing-thehunter-call-of-the-wild/

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/theHunter_cotw_fallow_deer.png

http://callofthewild.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/screenshot-wild-boars-scope.png

http://callofthewild.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/screenshot-red-deer-forest.png

http://callofthewild.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/screenshot-morning-bison.png

Skybird

12-09-16, 10:11 AM

A newer, more in-depoth trailer of Call of the Wild, 3.5 minutes long, with explanations of game elements.

Say what you want - their new forests and landscapes look most beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exc2b_AZJ7U

There are also Let's-Plays available at youtube, from the public beta currently running.

NeonSamurai

12-10-16, 02:01 PM

It might be more interesting if they got rid of their unbelievably awful and greedy pricing scheme.

Skybird

12-10-16, 07:12 PM

It might be more interesting if they got rid of their unbelievably awful and greedy pricing scheme.

While I like the game, I too do not like the company too much. They gave me troubles and downtimes too often. On the question, my thoughts:

http://forum.thehunter.com/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=77202&start=40#p840494

The part where I quote from the original announcement.

NeonSamurai

12-10-16, 08:22 PM

Watch them pull something like railsim/trainsim, with torrents of over-priced dlc, and yearly releases.

Skybird

12-10-16, 11:45 PM

I am not aware they are doing a train sim. Some of their developers did that Primal The Hunter thing in their free time,w ith limited work only, and that was said from beginning on: that it would be a small distraction only, no main project. I never tried it, though. Sauriers do not interest me.

As long as a company acts transparent with its business model and pricing, I am okay with it - I can know the facts then, and can make my choice for or against them. What is worth it for Peter, must not be worth it for Paul.

My big quarrel with them is that for a subscription model with yearly fees I had too many occasions and long times when playing when I wanted to play was not possible because their damn server or patching routine once again messed it up for me, took endless ammounts of times, or did not work until another couple of days or - in the worst example - months has passed. If you milk coins from people for subscription, you have to make sure your product to which people subscribe works 99.9% of the time - not just 60% or so. I know that I am a drastic exmaple and that for most players it never became so bad - but alone with it I am not, there are others with less patience than me who for this reason have given up the game completely.

So, their pricing never was the issue for me. Nobody forced me to pay what I paid. That often their service did not deliver the intended gaming experience due to technical issues on their side, broken patching routines - that is what pisses me about Expansive Worlds. Plus that I got ignored one time too often, and too long.

On the other side, I can afford it, the money demanded does not kill me, and I also have plenty of great memories with the game, and many nice experiences. When it works, its a wonderful game. For many people, it works better than for me. As I said, I seem to belong to that group of extreme examples. But still - our group is not really small.

Maybe their tech issues are related to the game engine, it is known that that old foreign engine is limiting and that it prevents them from doing some things that they wanted to do, but cannot do with it. Mind you, they picked the game up from somebody else who abandoned the game and went bancrupt over it. The new engine and a game now developed by themselves may improve things for the better. I give them a chance again, therefore, but will observe carefully at first.

Skybird

10-14-17, 07:28 AM

Its been a long time.

Early btis year, they released a new hunting game, named Call of the Wild, on PC. It made use of their new and most fomridable Apex graphics engine, an inhouse development. The result was a dramatically improved rendering of the envuironment and nature, used to depict an American and a German hunting reserve of together 128 km2. The game plays partly different, has not as many microtransactions needed, just one or two DLCs, and hunter explore the wild, get ingame money by whcih they ust live to pay for consumables, other equipment, all the kind of stuff that in Classic The Hunter costed real money. Big improvemnt. However, when I watched youtube videos, what I saw was plenty of arcade-like action, adifferent interface, features that appeared to be gimmick-like, and so I was kept away.

However. I noticed that the game has been brought to xbox and playstation 4 meanwhile. And suddenly it all fell into a matching place, the interfce, the gimmick stuff, the lack of real money icrotransactions. The game on PC probbaly was just a test ballon to see how it runs and whether the conepot worsk. I think they had consoles on mind from beginning on. And you know what? I play it on PS4 since tw days, and it works mindblowingly well!

Its a different experience than Classic Hunter, but then, also surprisingly similiar in other ways. The beaut of the word that is laid out before your eyes, is amongst the best looking I have ever seen in any computer generated playworld. The concept to let the player all alone on the wild, playing through full day and night cycle and managing his resources, goals, rest, is right up to my taste, an open sandbox world like I want it, with the flair and fascination of the rough wild to be seen in a film like Stalker. I cannot comment on "realism", since I have not had much oppotunity to assess the behaviour of animals and wepaons, but I mut say the fast-paced action to be seen in video son the PC version earlier this year, simply is not tkaing place for me. The game is not really "playing", its an experience. You. The wild. Time passing. And sometimes you may see an animal, though stly you hear them (in surprisingly high numbers...). Though I really know how to play The Hunter, after so many hundreds and hundres of hours, I still have not killed my first prey.

Games like this are not for everybody, and tis hunting game does not comoare to any other around, whcih all are more action-oriented. But if you have a taste for this kind of thing, try this, and try the console version. It works really well, and the interface with the gamepad also works very well while playing. The menu handling cann be a bit fiddly, I admit, but nothin that really must stop you, or m, from enjoying this to play. Truth is, althogh I do not make money so far becasue I do not mamabge to shoot anything :), I enjoy to simply wander around. Whats new: you wonder at night as well, with or without a torchlight.

The consoles versions have the two DLCs that have been there on PC, included, namely the terrain scooter. They work well, but I question the wisdom of using them, due to their noise.

A third reserve, Taiga, is coming this month, it also will hit the consoles later on. See trailer, its utmost beautiful.

If somebody knows where on PS4 photos shot n the game get stored, let me know please. I do not mean the playstation screenshot function by pressing the Share button, i mean the dedicated virtual camera in the game. I can take photos there, but I have no clue where they get stored. Google does not help me at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArD7Te25UGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Se26vlu5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fit-YafCu98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry93SPMvesE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exc2b_AZJ7U

I'm happy. I did not expect this.

P.S.
Different than claimed by some, the save function does work as designed and intended. It autosaves. It sends you back into the game next time at the closest "lodge" or tent of your last playing position.

And again, the console version, different form the upcoming third reserve, has no real money microtransaction. The base package comes with everything aboard, and uses a system of virtual money that you must earn by completing missions (like shooting a photo with two different bears on it), or harvesting prey).

Skybird

12-14-17, 05:35 AM

The Hunter (Classic) is about to get a new reserve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=61&v=CxOh_CkR7ds

Tropical jungle. Four new inhabitants: water buffalo, Banteng, Rusa deer, Sambar deer.

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/tropical-releese-animals-2.png

New RECOMMENDED specs:

Operating System: Windows 10 64-bit
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.4GHz or Higher
Memory: 8GB RAM
Graphics Card: GeForce GTX760 or Higher

Skybird

05-23-18, 08:29 AM

This is a biggie: they have today increased the rendering distance from 220m to 320m.

Hitman

05-23-18, 12:56 PM

I didn't know this game looks, really awesome :Kaleun_Cheers:

Used to hunt rabbits with my 22mm with visor when I was young, as well as with the shotgun. Curious to how this translates to a PC, will see if there is a demo.

Out of curiosity, do you have real life hunting experience? I believe in Germany wildlife hunting is more restricted than here in Spain :06:

Skybird

05-23-18, 02:30 PM

No hunter myself. In Germany, the theoretical exam fopr getting a license is - quite extensive, and, wenn super-theoretical, my father did it (sports pistol), and that gave me enough insight. You also have to frequerntly attend competitions and have to lof regular club trainign hours, 18 times per year, its all mdesigned to makew people not going after a license.

The air rifle and rabbit hunting in TheHunter, is a very different game in TheHunter, for the reticle really needs to be compensated for the bulett drop nside the range when the air rifle is usefull to take out the animal. Thats a very big difference to the standard rifles. Some of the latter have some bullet drop over certain ranges, too.

I do not play it that often anymore, but still love it. Its a good compromise between game and sim, and as you said, it looks great, still, with this old engine.

There also is TheHunter:Call of the Wild, with a newer engine, but gameplay a bit more arcadish, also the microtransaction buzsiness model is missing - you pay once, and have it all, forever. Its available for PC, too, but the main direcition it was pointed at was consoles. I know the PS4 version, it was not bad, really not. Classic howveer, although blooking older, is the more realstic and complex simulation.

If you go for it, be hesitent to buy stuff. You can get along with surprisingly little equipment, only some is essentiual. Much is for immersion. And they make it easy to spend much more than you need to spend to get access to all gameplay.

Lord_magerius

05-23-18, 03:26 PM

Got to agree with Skybird 100% there about everything with the game. I still play it quite a bit so if you download it and get the free account feel free to hit me up on Steam my name is Monkster and I'll take you on a few hunts for the free stuff if you like. See if you like it and such

Hitman

05-24-18, 08:36 AM

Thanks for the hindsight, will be shooting this summer with my son and his air rifle as well as my own shotgun, probably will be getting into the mood for giving this a try. :salute:

Skybird

09-05-18, 04:21 AM

Its the Call of the Wild again.

It seems The Hunter Classic slowly, slowly is loosing players. Its been around since long, technologically there is the increase of rendering distance from 220 to 330 meters, but that is all there has been in technological improvement sin the past 10 years, so the slow fading of the game should maybe not be surprising.

The Call of the Wild however is doing better in my personal gaming charts, an I initial expected. I like it, and I do not care for calls by some that it is "less realistic". I am not certain that it really is so. Some aspects feel and get managed differently, yes, and the levelling of skill bonusses with exprience is not designed the wa I would have preferred, but I have learned to forgive that.

They have released two new reserves, Medved Taiga and Africa. Especilly the taiga is maybe my preferred reserve now, since they did an outstanding job in rcreating this desolate, forsaken place and stun the player with beautiful visuals and a feeling of realyl beign exposed, and lonely, isolated. Africa however is a two sided sword. On the ine hand you again have beautiful visuals and a cokour scheme, a style that indeed reminds a lot of Africa, on the other hand, when the viewing distnces become really long, the rdnering spoils the illusion while in the very very logn distances the computer graphics aspect becomes more and more obvious to the eye, with plain monochrome areas with cloned bushes popping up, it looks like graohcis form a 90s comouter game at times. So, regions where the viewing distance is limite,d are preferred. this proboem is not existent on the other three maps.

Also, the Afric amap suffers form havign too few, or better: nine of the inhabitants players would expect to see and hunt in frica. No lions, zebras, elephant, giraffes, crocodiles, leopards or gepards, hyenas, rhinos. Social media seem to indicate that many players take this queer indeed. Its my reason why I never have wanted an africa reserve in their polls in the pats years. The viewing distance problem was better solved on their Australia map, but then I saw that in PC, not on Playstation, the hardware may influence this significantly, but the animal problem I have forseen for sure.

However, you must not buy it. I full heartly recommend the Taiga, however. Its superb.

Currently I play the game a lot again, and have tremendous joy and fun with it. Its proving to be quite difficult and challenging. i did not know there were extensive statistics recorded and found them by "accident", I was stunned that there was a number saying how animals I have spooked by my walkign noise: the number said almost three thousand. That came as a shock, I play like I play Classic and in Classic I move around quite silently and stay invisible where I can. Here in CotW I seem to not do well enough!

Shooting initially was frustrating, the gamepad has a bad command layout and so I messed up repeatedly, but they corected that in an earlier patch, of whcih there have been severl over the year. Also, with experience come additonal perks and skills, I focussed on optimising breathing and shaking when using rifles, and now, shooting - despite the problems fine tunings always bring with the ministicks of a gamepad - I can handle it quite well.

I also repeatedly got attacked and injure dnow by certain animals I did not hit hard enough and of whose species you would expct that they are capable and willing to atack. Another huge difference to Classic. But then, as I said the levellign system is not optimal and very slow, and I still have only a quite weak rifle, so this may change over time once I get a bigger argument.

I play Classic now very rarely only, but more and more grow into CotW. It looks so much better and has a full day-night-cycle.

The PS4 versions includes some stuff that on PC gets sold as sepadate DLCs. its not the microtrnasactionf renzy of Classics, however. On playstation, there were just the two new maps, a goose-hunting pck and a bow.focussed pack as additonal DLCs so far. Prices were moderate, with 8 Euros for the maps (IÄm fine with that), and 4 Euros for the two weapon packs (I would be fine with that as well if I would be interested, but I am not).

This new game has turned out to run much better than I expected when they released it. Steam feedback reflects that, the game is rated quite positively, whle Classic always suffered from the negative feedback about the micro transaction business model.

Very recommend, its a very beautiful and solid game, really. Not perfect - but which game is perfect? But very good.

I do not know the PC version. I use it on PS4 only.

P.S. Here is the Wiki for CotW: http://thehuntercotw.wikia.com/wiki/TheHunter:_Call_of_the_Wild_Wiki

Taiga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArD7Te25UGU

Africa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gJFIC_qb_k

Cybermat47

09-05-18, 08:20 AM

Used to hunt rabbits with my 22mm with visor when I was young, as well as with the shotgun. Curious to how this translates to a PC, will see if there is a demo.

A 22mm? Was there anything left of the rabbits?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbUG5dJaETg

Skybird

09-05-18, 04:53 PM

15 indeed very good tips for those new to the game (CotW). Also gives some insight into the game mechanisms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juHlDiImsnc

Skybird

09-08-18, 03:31 AM

It seems I had kind of a bad start with the african reserve, the first hours only spent on a part of the map that is the least attractive, and offering the mentioned visual problems. However, I walked hours in other parts as well now, and must say this map all in all is a work of beauty. The cokours and the light match what I imagine it to be near the equator, the atmosphere and mood of the place is fantastic, the jungles are thick and adventurous, the high grass in the savannah turns it into a very different playing.

I mjst say I like this new Hunter game better than the old one now. I do not care what the crowd says about less realism in it, I see no decisive differences, tbh, and a few occasional bugs here or there I can easily forgive. This is a superb hunting experience on computer, and a very nice hide-and-seek game, something for the sneakers and the patient. You need to gain some perks and skills to move around and be able to shoot (with a ganmepad, not a mouse) reliably, but that is okay, and I tremendously like that lure and callers do not work as reliably as they do in the classic game: call, wait, shoot, becasue the animals come with 100% certainty.

I also suffered my first death as a Hunter ever in te game. A grumpy Cape Buffalo I stumbled into in the high grass near a swamp. He charged, I soon learned I could not run away, only evade, and finally despartely let of a round - but havign only a .243, that ily turned him even angrier, so he played football with me, buffalo style.

Quite some of the bigger animals can and do attack the player. Even a damn coyote recently tried to bite me.

Love it!

Skybird

01-08-19, 06:12 PM

I missed that this was coming/is released!

South America! :up:

Pumas!! :yeah:

Beauty!!! :/\\k:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjM1dMMSIJM

Still playing it, still going with it, still loving it.

Skybird

04-25-19, 04:00 PM

http://news.thehunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Free_to_play_update.png

We would like to take this opportunity to tell you about the new business model for theHunter:Classic.
Starting May 6th, we will update theHunter Classic’s free-to-play model by giving all players free access to all the reserves and animals, as well as making the game exclusively available on Steam.
For players who want to enhance their hunting experience, weapons, equipment and vanity items will still be priced with em$. Additionally, all items in the store will receive a gm$ price and all future animal harvests will yield gm$. Players that have memberships that last longer than May, will be automatically compensated in em$ with an amount reflecting the length of membership remaining.
We appreciate all the passion the community has shown over the past decade, helping us make theHunter Classic what it is today. Moving forward, we hope that these changes will lower the barrier of entry for new and returning players alike by giving them a more immediate way of immersing themselves in the beautiful world that we’ve created.

http://news.thehunter.com/status-update-309/

So there is hope the game will live to live on. :up: Despite the quarrels I had with the company, and the bugs there were and that soimetimes took years to get squasahed, not many gaves in my life have had me so much under their spell, like this one. I do not play it often anymore - but get back to it again and again, and it nevers fails to fascinate me again.

Platapus

04-26-19, 03:21 PM

A 22mm? Was there anything left of the rabbits?

Big rabbits.. with armour.

Skybird

05-06-19, 10:45 AM

The new update is online. And it seems to work fine, the system now allows free use of .243 with free supply in ammo and one free shotgun and rounds of a certain kind (I am not using these myself...). All other items and weapons now cost money, but the prices are very reasonable, and especially ammo is so cheap that a box of ten rounds can be had with 2-4 harvests, because every harvest's CSS equals virtual coins that can be used to spend on things in the store. As long as you are not terribly wasting your ammo, it indeed seems to be a system that allows "free play" once you bought the wepon(s) of your choice.

Looks good - certainly much better than many doomsdayers and gloomy pessimists feared it would be. And so, yes: there is no more pay membership now. Otr better, you are a member without needing to pay for anything at all, if you don't want. Competitions and statistics all work.

Skybird

05-06-19, 05:49 PM

The system works, I just bagged my first buck with the new system active now, one wounding shot at very long distance, and then one kill shot at closer distance. Normally I would not have taken such a long shot, but a pesky female was nearby, putting the whole situation at risk. Scored enough points with that one trophy so that with them I could already buy an ammo box of 10 rounds, and have some virtual coins left.

Needless to say: female deer will not earn you points and thus: no virtual money. I like that detail, only scoring kills will be rewarded with GM$.

Since it is the game's 10th anniversary celebration, there is currently a sale on everything, 20 or 25% off, that is true for ammo, too.

Happy birthday, theHunter Classic! All in all it has been a wonderful time for me.

Lord_magerius

05-09-19, 01:44 AM

Will definitely be re-installing again, after my last membership expired I'd decided that I'd spent more than enough on the game over the years, think this might rekindle my love for the game.

Skybird

05-10-19, 04:52 PM

I have fully re-engaged with the game. The rendering distance is increased to 330m now 220m before), ground animals density has been significantly toned down it seems, to open slots for the bigger number of flying species I suppose. I think that rifle physics also changed a bit, I tested them more systematically this morning with a private shooting range over almost 300m, and found the bullet drops of the 3, 4 rifles I know well behaving differently, the heavier bullets fly more in a straight line now, the bullet drop of the for exmaple the Anschütz 9.3 is not as severe anymore as it once was. The compensation for my membership fee until January 2020 worked flawlessly and I got pretty much exactly the virtual money I calculated myself, if not a little bit more. The new ammo system works very well and changes he way I play, I no longer commit massacres amongst female deer not scoring CCS points and thus no virtual money, but care for the virtual money aspect, although it is so forgiving that only somebody missing ten shots in a row will get into troubles so that he must spent real money on rearming. The viusuals are better at the horizon, too, they altered the bitmaps for distant backgrounds.

I am seriously wondering what had kept me away from playing it much more over the past 3 years or so. Its still so great.

There is uncertainty about EW's future plans, the company does not communicate well anymore, many Kassandras predict the game will be killed as early as next year, but that is rumours only so far. True is however that staff has been dramatically reduced and active development on new reserves and species does not happen anymore. I think they have moved it all to steam now to get it off heir hands without needing to shut it down completely.

Past investements only paid past bills and do nothing for future bills, they must nevertheless pay for an emergency tech crew, servers, and Steam, so a little bit income must be generated. Their recipe seems to work well this week, many new players have arrived, numbers went up steeply, many old players returned. Despite spending my compensated em$, I went in with another 10 Euros to buy new scopes. I think if somebody plays now for free and does so for long time and enjoys it, once or twice a year donating a minor money for some new item for 2-3 Euros, or a weapon for 4-5 Euros, is not asked too much for. And it helps to raise chances that the game is kept open. It deserves it. I again cannot believe how much beauty it lays out before my eyes. Some income they still must generate, else the game wil, die sooner or later.

Also note that the ethical hunting lists for what animals can be killed with what weapons, have been altered as well. They make more sense now.

Its so nice to be able still to access the familiar reserves and places.

Hostred two MP sessions over this day. First, I got three gueasts, all old players having not played since years and seeing it for the first time again since that time, and they were puzzled about the changes, very positive feedback, nice chat we had. Next I had another session this time, before some experienced players came in, I had only three compelte newcomers, young kids but behyving well, who saw it for the first time ever and were stunend by whjat was offered to them. Threy did not know that the game was there and what it is and what it does, and I led them into the basics a bit and they were completely stunned withg amazement. Both sessions were pleasant experien ces for me.

Hunting the lynmx, is difficult, I found, I am chasing ghosts, anmd I oike the difficulty in it. I oike it very much. I played cat and osue with one for almost one hour, while it knew I was there but right outside his alarm radius, I tried all the time to not enter the alrm radius but being close enough to shoot at it - if only I could see it. :) Superb experience.

Skybird

05-11-19, 05:29 AM

This is from the world highscore list leader, Hoocares.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm7Ko4c6Sug

Skybird

05-11-19, 06:02 AM

I just noticed that German Amazon has Call of the Wild including all DLCs so far for 28 Euros, that means all weapons and species (including lions and Pumas) and equipment DLCs plus Medwed Taiga and Vurhonga Savanaha DLCs. The price is a steal and much cheaerp than you would get the stuff for at any Steam sale that so far always had just the main game at a reduced price then - the DLCs (eleven nof them) all costed full price still and came additionally.

I own the PS4 version of the game and also love it, like Classic. But I cannot say anything on how the bug situation is on PC, both versions may be very different in this regard. On PS4, I note no serious bugs. The development on COTW is ongoing and has all of EW's attention now, next they bring the antler scoring system from Classic into COTW. Seem this way the newer Hunter game indeed is the future. While Classic stays - well, classic.

My advise: do as I do, play them both. :yeah:

Lord_magerius

05-14-19, 05:51 PM

Have to say Skybird I agree 100% with your comments regarding re-engaging with the game. It's made me wonder why I've just left it to one side, I suppose the money thing was the main issue for me. Being a single father it just didn't make sense to waste it on a subscription when I have so many better things to spend it on. Now it's completely free I've fallen in love once more.
I really do like the aspect of selling the kills for $GMS, sometimes if a hunt wasn't going well I'd often take does or cows just for the tiny blip that I'd get for weapon experience. Now I just sit it out and wait which definitely adds to the realism for me.
Also yes, I had issues with the ethical list when first trying it out again (Also had many brain farts with my various weapons, a 7mm bullpup is overkill on a bobcat :timeout: ) but it's been fun exploring and learning the newer ballistic mechanics.
Right now if you'll excuse me I've got some hogs to hunt :salute:

Skybird

06-25-19, 04:14 PM

Yukon valley reserve released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBcjj0bPFBo

Skybird

07-04-19, 04:44 PM

I have taken the offer of the 2018 edition of COTW and embarked on the PC-version of the game as well. There are six (!) reserves now, and 39 (!) species, only 3 of them being waterfowl, which I welcome, I do not like this aspected of The Hunter, bird hunting, I find it boring.

There is good and not so good to report. The good stuff first: the game looks much better on PC than on PS4, and I must say especially the latest new reserves are works of breathtaking beauty. Considering that there is full night-and-day-cycle (the ingame time passes at factor 4) and many different weather and cloud situations, you are in for endless marvel and surprise. The reserves are huge, really huge, they are squares of 128 km2, means 11.3x11.3 km in size. The diversity in biomes and landscape is huge. We now have Africa, Patagonia, Alaska, American North-West, Central Europe/Germany, and Russian Tundra/Polar Circle. Each reserve offers different areas as well, not separated artifically like in many other sandbox games, but naturally blending into each other.

I have learned to really like the gameplay. Some of the species, pack predators as well as huge lone ranger type of animals, can turn aggresisve - and I mean really aggressive - I got chased by a pack of wolves because they were annoyed by the noise from my ATV... Sometimes, this behaviour can turn buggy, then I got chased by three water buffalos across half the map, again on ATV, and when I fled into a lodge, they broke into the house and there finished me off. I assume this is due to the aTV, but the ATV usually does not get used anymore once all watchtowers have been visited and all lodges and POIs have been revealed by doing so, at least i do not use ATVs after that anymore. The lack of the statistics stuff of Classic is no loss for me, I never cared for it, and I do not care for it here, I even have not installed the TrueRack addon, which would be free, because some say it is prone for bugs and technical issues.

And that leads to the not so good side of the game: there are bugs. Some are Steam-related and could be avoided by deactivating Steam Overlay, maybe also avoiding MP (I have not tried MP a single time). The studio does a terribly awful job in communicating with the community, and does not document these things nor issues warnings and help. Also, occasionally there are crashes in mid-game. Rarely, I must say, its not that often that it would stop me from playing, but more often than I am used to in other games these years.

If the interest for the beauty and the concept of the game exists, i nevertheless recommend to try this game, and also to invest into the new reserve DLCs, they are just too beautiful (and very typical for the landscape they got modelled after). The sounds of nature, the wind and leaves and water and all that, are superb. You can get lost in just wandering around in this huge, huge wild laid out before your eyes. Atmosphere, mood, immersion are words written in capital letters here, in bold, in signal-red. While the bug situation is a fact, I would no longer call it game-killing. A famous bug there was that made savegames unusable after some time. Well, not few people have met it, but the developer says it has been tackled in one of the recent patches, and most people seem to not get hit by it. I store away copies of save games to be safe, and have deactivated Steam autosynchronization. Probably nVidia Experience also should not be used, but that software, despite the good intention, proved to be such a problem maker for me on my old rig that on the new one I did not even install it again.

I recommend the 2019 edition, which gives you the African Savanna and Russian Tundra plus some very good equipment. In Germany, it saves you an awesome lot of money, too. When I bought it via Amazon, I must have saved around 50% of the total costs of all incldued items if I would have bought them individually and in a Steam sale.

There are no microtransactions with real money, you only buy reserve DLCs, and eventually equipment+weapon DLCs, most that I have - they are limite din numbers anyway - came with the 2019 edition. Classic now is fully free to play, its now gone microtransaction system was its biggest target drawing criticism. Its not existent in COTW, you use only ingame toy-currency to pay for your equipment and ammo. A very nice design, I must say.

A beautiful, a very beautiful game.

P.S. I forgot to mention the immense rendering distance for animals now. I have spotted animals at distances of up to almost 500 meters and without any height advantages. More range than you could wish for! The maximum is tied to the scenery complexity option that you choose. 500m I read is indeed the maximum.

Skybird

07-04-19, 05:52 PM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2616994&postcount=4556

Skybird

11-27-19, 05:40 AM

It... it... it lives on!

https://forum.thehunter.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=90512&start=100
Hunte rClassic seems to have seen a massive boost due to the new business model.

This is from their staff. I could not beleive it when i read it. I hoped for the game just dwelling on, no further development. And now they even have hired new staff for it?! Wowh! And want to fire up the forum again!

Hey all,

Sorry for the information delay, as most of you will have already seen/heard the news, but yes it is true! We are super happy with how the new business model is performing, so much so that we have hired some new staff!

I am not allowed to say anything more at this stage, but also like mentioned, momentum will be slowly gathering here and you can expect to see a lot more of me, however I am still required to work on COTW!

In saying that, with a new business model and the game moving into the future, there will be a few changes around here. I am hell bent on getting this place back into shape and back to the positive place it once was, it is time to let go of past hang ups, so we can all move into the future together. Yes, there is a small track record of bugs and slightly wonky releases and I am not denying that, but dwelling on them constantly and pressing them into storm clouds does nothing good for the community. People do not want to come here and read the same depressing messages from the same people, so by all means, express an opinion, but do not sit on it and bring it around with you, excessive negativity is against CoC and I will be standing on that rule hard going forward.

Times have changed since this forum was setup, technology has moved on and there are other network sources that I encourage you to start getting involved with, Discord is one of these. While it does not replace the forums, or serve the same purpose, it is much better for fast, real time communication for the community. It is also a great place to reach out to other players and find new hunting parties or friends.

I fight for this game more than you could possibly know and will continue to do so.

Have a great week and enjoy the Halloween Event... perhaps have a spare change of undies on you https://forum.thehunter.com/images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif https://forum.thehunter.com/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

TK

Beside ETS2, both Hunter games still are the most laid back and relaxing gamign expereince I know of. I like that it lives on. I currently play both games. Not as often as in past years, but stil: frequently, regularly.

Skybird

12-10-19, 11:23 AM

Caught me by surprise today, I did not know this was coming:
new hunting reserve released, Cuatro Colinas (Spain), and so a completely new location in the series. Species to be hunted are Mouflon Sheep, Iberian Wolves, Wild Boar, Roe Deer, European Hare, Red Deer, and 4 breeds of Ibex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Gn5C4eNNU

Skybird

12-12-19, 06:10 PM

It's now officially confirmed: The Hunter Classic is not abandoned, but has gotten a new development team.

https://forum.thehunter.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=90676&sid=40117cc56a1114f1797804782cc9042d

You need log in in their forum.

What the thread is about: topic starter reveals himself as the new game designer, and says that he is jiust one of a whole team whose members will intoruce themsleves over the coming days and weeks. He says they are already at work to bring"new blood and trails", but does not mention the specifics. Before hoim, the community mamnager of the sutdio has insiated severla times that the game alive and well since they chnaged the business model. Mind you, the studio foudn a new owner a year ago and since then a loud silence broke out.

I do not care what they are working on, wheter it is new reserves and species or just new online events. The point is that they hired a new team to get work done on a game many have - wrongly - declare dead. This tells me that the game lives, and is here to stay for longer time to come.

:Kaleun_Applaud: :Kaleun_Cheers: :Kaleun_Salute: :Kaleun_Applaud: :Kaleun_Cheers: :Kaleun_Salute:
I play Call of the Wild as well, and a lot now. Its a good game as well, it grows and gets good feedback from players at steam. They are both very good. The old one I play for the many good memories, the new one because it does quite some things better (although not all). Really, there is no sense in choosing if you can play both.

Skybird

01-11-20, 09:40 PM

Take a timeout, relax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc7sV49zyoE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti1NA2FInfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsV8ubOCoYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84CuXyBBwKo

Skybird

06-23-20, 03:50 PM

New reserve released: Colorado, Rocky Mountains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjp8xXVwdmw

BTW, classic Hunter is live and well, gets occasional updates and even updated content.

Skybird

11-10-20, 05:19 PM

I have an issue with the game, the animal's AI when being shot at. People knowing the game know the two issues I complain about when saying "Me Lai" and "circles".

Beyond this real flaw in the game design, this gives a good description of the normal animal AI - and how ver ycomplex it is.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/09/26/how-thehunter-call-of-the-wild-simulates-wild-animals/

Classic The Hunter gets still suppported, sees some bug fixing done, and actively managed rolling mission tables. The game is not, as many pedicted, "dead". And I still play it after all these years! :up:

les green01

11-11-20, 07:02 PM

i have both on the pc and even have wild on ps4 love both games only thing ever bother me was the hit box seem like the box was off a little maybe we can get a subsim huntng group going one that plays the games

Skybird

06-29-21, 07:25 AM

The Americas just got a little bit bigger. Mexico.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRIauuqRVs

Skybird

11-26-21, 05:22 AM

I could imagine that many hunters have waited for this reserve: Lets hutn down by the ol' man river! It looks stunning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeVIoI48veU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HCcB10YPY0

New Epic Store Option with some free sale until Dec 2nd., ich I understood it correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_aflap1Brg

How much I love and hate this game. It has bugs and the developoer deteminently rejects to squash them. Its the bets looking nature and landscape engine I know.

The bugs are not game breaking, not causign crashes or such, at least not for me. But they show up in stupid AI issues. Not always, but sometimes.

But then, the immense beauty in this.

Skybird

02-19-22, 04:15 AM

After all its the most beautiful wilderness open sandbox world created.

Happy 5th anniversary, Call of the Wild! (And yes, its a friendly community there, too).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DM268DwAxI

Skybird

05-17-22, 09:47 AM

Finland joins! Not just NATO, but The Hunter: Call of the Wild. Welcome to Revontuli Coast.
Sounds like canned pasta. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh8oXzMNz4Y

Skybird

06-21-22, 03:06 AM

Second trailer released.

Release date June 28th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39y9W_PkLNU

Dowly

07-08-22, 11:20 AM

Got this from Steam sale and have been thoroughly enjoying it so far (to the tune of 37.8hrs :haha:). Even managed to bag my first diamond! Yay me!
https://i.imgur.com/HTow56K.jpg

In a strange way, it reminds me of Silent Hunter; stretches of boredom, punctured by the excitement of hunting down a potential diamond.

Skybird

07-08-22, 04:33 PM

Enjoy your stay in the wilderness, its a game of sheer visual beauty.

Did you get a full deal on all reserves?

Dowly

07-12-22, 03:34 AM

Did you get a full deal on all reserves?
Yeah, I got the complete collection. :up:

Skybird

07-12-22, 07:58 AM

Wowh, you Finns don't do things by halves!

You now even have your own national reserve! I still need to try it out, thoiugh, I am too busy with other things currently.

Oubaas

07-12-22, 11:18 PM

Yep, I'm another one with the whole thing. Even the new Finland DLC. I love it.

They're brewing up, "The Angler: Call of the Wild" now. That will be out soon.

I may as well just go ahead and put them on Direct Deposit. :haha:

:Kaleun_Salute:

Skybird

07-13-22, 10:31 AM

That news escaped me, did not know the come up with an fishing title.

For the time being, i stay sceptical, pardon me. Not on their game only, but on fishign games in general.

Oubaas

07-17-22, 09:23 PM

That news escaped me, did not know the come up with an fishing title.

For the time being, i stay sceptical, pardon me. Not on their game only, but on fishign games in general.

I don't blame you for being skeptical. Most fishing sims stink on ice. The one that I do find acceptable is, "Ultimate Fishing Simulator". It can be played on a monitor, and you can add VR DLC and play it either way. There's also a dedicated VR version if you only want VR. I've played it both ways.They both work fine.

I like it enough that I've purchased all DLC for the title. And I'm usually very unimpressed by fishing sims. They have, "Ultimate Fishing Simulator 2" well along in development as well.

I'll probably try, "The Angler: Call of the Wild" since it comes from the folks who gave us, "The Hunter". I hope they do a nice job of it. I love, "The Hunter", so I have high hopes, even though I take a dim view of most fishing sims, excepting what I mentioned above.

Skybird

11-10-22, 06:10 PM

This could become a really beautifully looking one. New England coming to The Hunter COTW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypwN1opAfTA

Skybird

12-03-22, 08:14 PM

As I hoped - it looks beautiful! :yeah: :yeah:

Decembre 6th is the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lthic5XPtc&feature=emb_imp_woyt

Oubaas

12-31-22, 01:12 AM

Picked up all the New England stuff, so I'm back up to having ALL DLC! :yeah:

:Kaleun_Salute:

Skybird

12-31-22, 07:44 AM

I go with every new reserve they release, the rest I usually ignore. To me its mostly a walk-in-the-park simulator. I mean that positive.

Skybird

01-03-23, 06:25 AM

Oubaas

01-03-23, 06:36 PM

New England Mountains is a most beautifully created reserve. I can only reocmmend to at no cost miss this one. :yeah: Its pure beauty.

All the game's reserves look great, but this one is a favourite of mine, beside the frozen Taiga.

https://images.ohmyhosting.se/pWT40VUxi6quO3jd5SfO2VSR7MU=/5120x2000/smart/filters:quality(85)/https%3A%2F%2Fcallofthewild.thehunter.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2022%2F12%2FWebsite_Hero_1920x 1080.png

https://s1.gaming-cdn.com/images/products/13266/screenshot/thehunter-call-of-the-wild-new-england-mountains-pc-spiel-steam-wallpaper-3.jpg?v=1670250000

https://s1.gaming-cdn.com/images/products/13266/screenshot/thehunter-call-of-the-wild-new-england-mountains-pc-spiel-steam-wallpaper-5.jpg?v=1670250000

Paws off my squirrels...!:stare:

https://s1.gaming-cdn.com/images/products/13266/screenshot/thehunter-call-of-the-wild-new-england-mountains-pc-spiel-steam-wallpaper-4.jpg?v=1670250000

I had to have it because it looks just like where I grew up, many years ago.

All the reserves are beautiful. Sometimes I hunt, other times I explore, and sometimes I ride the ATV like a mad man. I also collect weapons, calls, etc.

When I first started out, I hunted everything and took any game that looked reasonable. Now, I'm finicky. I only bother with trophies. And sometimes I go through periods of only hunting one species, usually Grizzly Bears.

It's a relaxing, slow paced game; perfect for when I don't feel like the usual military fare.

:Kaleun_Salute:

Skybird

01-06-23, 08:30 AM

New game element spotted. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng8pvEoiRXM

:har:

Skybird

01-06-23, 08:37 AM

I had to have it because it looks just like where I grew up, many years ago.

All the reserves are beautiful. Sometimes I hunt, other times I explore, and sometimes I ride the ATV like a mad man. I also collect weapons, calls, etc.

When I first started out, I hunted everything and took any game that looked reasonable. Now, I'm finicky. I only bother with trophies. And sometimes I go through periods of only hunting one species, usually Grizzly Bears.

It's a relaxing, slow paced game; perfect for when I don't feel like the usual military fare.

:Kaleun_Salute:

In Classic, you would have spoiled the hunt for trophies anyway if shooting everything that moves, because trophies were like high value assets : guarded by sort of a shield of "escorts". Shooting the escorts let the trophy escape, did not even let you know it ever was there. I think by tendency something like this is in place in COTW, too. But the much longer viewing distances help a lot, of course.

Myself, I focus on hunting males, trophies of any kind, I often spare the females, and I do like I think it would be done in reality. Highscores do not interest me. I never play the "missions". Nor am I overly concerned with ethical callibre choice, its enough if I get some money per kill to replace the ammo spent. Doing a clean shot is important for me. Plan to soon move more to arrows.

Like with any sim you get out what you put into it. Treat it like a game and hunt statistics, and your experience will lack simulative and situational immersion.

New England is a breathtaking map. I am enthusiastic about it. Beautiful. I absolutely love it, its changign colours and moods, the sights. It simply is a piece of art.

Have just bought a dog, due to the steam sale. Seems to work okay, but already starts to kill my nerves a bit. May be handy in some of the longer after searches.

I do not like the way you have to micromanage ammunition for every rifle and pistol, there is so many callibres and it makes buying the right one a real nuisance since you have to take some work to find out which ammo is for what rifle, even more so if the rifle has several ones. Some more automatization there for us non-experts on firearms and ca,llibre terminology would be welcomed.

Ran into an issue in Finland, when bagging dropped moose the game tends to crash when approaching the animal beyond maybe 50m or so. For me at least. Or it was area-related, I do not know.

The Mississippi map I found dissapointing by looks.

Oubaas

01-06-23, 11:56 AM

In Classic, you would have spoiled the hunt for trophies anyway if shooting everything that moves, because trophies were like high value assets : guarded by sort of a shield of "escorts". Shooting the escorts let the trophy escape, did not even let you know it ever was there. I think by tendency something like this is in place in COTW, too. But the much longer viewing distances help a lot, of course.

Myself, I focus on hunting males, trophies of any kind, I often spare the females, and I do like I think it would be done in reality. Highscores do not interest me. I never play the "missions". Nor am I overly concerned with ethical callibre choice, its enough if I get some money per kill to replace the ammo spent. Doing a clean shot is important for me. Plan to soon move more to arrows.

Like with any sim you get out what you put into it. Treat it like a game and hunt statistics, and your experience will lack simulative and situational immersion.

New England is a breathtaking map. I am enthusiastic about it. Beautiful. I absolutely love it, its changign colours and moods, the sights. It simply is a piece of art.

Have just bought a dog, due to the steam sale. Seems to work okay, but already starts to kill my nerves a bit. May be handy in some of the longer after searches.

I do not like the way you have to micromanage ammunition for every rifle and pistol, there is so many callibres and it makes buying the right one a real nuisance since you have to take some work to find out which ammo is for what rifle, even more so if the rifle has several ones. Some more automatization there for us non-experts on firearms and ca,llibre terminology would be welcomed.

Ran into an issue in Finland, when bagging dropped moose the game tends to crash when approaching the animal beyond maybe 50m or so. For me at least. Or it was area-related, I do not know.

The Mississippi map I found dissapointing by looks.

I grew up in the Finger Lakes region of New York state, which looks pretty much exactly like the New England reserve. My family moved there from up in the Adirondack Mountains, which also look just like the New England reserve. Autumn can be very spectacular, when the leaves change color.

I try to stick with one shot, one kill. I've taken moose in the game with some very light calibers, one shot, but they were heart shots. I find something in the neighborhood of .30-06 to be a good all-arounder.

In real life, hunting Whitetail Deer (Odocoileus virginianus), you're apt to see the youngest doe first, followed by other doe, then young bucks. If you want a shot at the grand old man, you have to be patient and hold your fire. He's likely to be the last to come along. I suspect that it's probably like that with most species of cervids.

:Kaleun_Salute:

Skybird

01-07-23, 07:09 AM

I have never been to the US, but there were one or two episodes in one of my all time favourite TV series, Spenser, that had their plots set in scenery in New England in autumn, and that series was famous for - at its time - extremely costly intensive out-of-the-studio shooting (which stopped it after season 3, due to the costs and despite its enormous popularity). Back then I stared at those images from New England forests in autumn and all I could think was "Wowh". Beyond the series, the autumn in New England is world-famous, and I assume that is for a reason. :)
I have the whole series on VHS, in long play, because the - excellently dubbed - German versions were never released in Germany. I am happy that back then I always invested into top quality VHS tapes by Fuji, so the image quality is okay to watch, and for VHS even extremely good, still, after so many years. The recordings must be around 25 years old. Quesiton is whether my two Panasonic VHS recorders still would work, especially the rubber rings I am worried about. - I know there are Engloish-.voiced DVD of Sopenser, but I want the German dub - believe it or not, its better, the text choices, and the speaker's voices. Cant get used to the opriginal voices and texts, they lack the laconic irony the German edition added, and Robert Urich's original voice was - well, his German speaker simply sounds better and more appropriate for Urich's physical appearance and style, same for Avery Brooks.

Oubaas

01-08-23, 12:56 PM

Skybird

01-09-23, 07:42 AM

Yeah, I now it can be done, but its not worth the hassle anymore, maybe. Also, it would be a huge work time investment. Its three seasons, 9 tapes with 8 hours longplay content each. And blurry picture.

I will maybe watch the series one more time in my life. If it works in that run, its okay. If not, then I could not even copy it to HD or DVD anymore anyway.

Things start and things end. Anything has its time. I liked CI-5 The Professionals a lot, but when i looked back at it a few years ago I realised that I could not watch it anymore - I simply have moved beyond it.

Skybird

01-20-23, 09:54 AM

Call of the Wild, ressources:

Wiki:

https://thehuntercotw.fandom.com/wiki/TheHunter:_Call_of_the_Wild_Wiki

Weapon classes, species classes per reserve:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kTG69dqpeYEnmcWYBI_Ez_4Fd8jc44g5WOJ3I_bLPig/edit#gid=414347241

Species, needs and times per reserve:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jis_lfSdbPHLtc7KsOUxoylRN7qH-ABiKNxGkOvd4dc/edit#gid=1935086493

Ballistics, scope zeroing:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2079460161

Archery, bows, crossbows, arrows:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1412208842

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There is a shooting range at Hirschfelden, I think it was in the bottom right corner of the map, but I am not sure anymore.

Threadfin

01-20-23, 11:04 AM

Thanks for the links. Getting info on matching cartridge to game was on to the to-do list today, and you already done did it for me :)

I bought the Master Hunter bundle so have more than just the normal starter kit, and it's good to know which weapons to use for which game. Of course it's already essentially known, but I have to understand how this particular game handles things. Like the .243 is considered a good match for a red deer?

What is meant by 'effective range'? Long range shooting isn't really a thing in Call of the Wild right? I mean, animals were clipping in and out of draw range at around 500 yards. Is there a way to increase this distance? An ini edit or something? In WotH you can see animals at 1000 yards and more. Not going to get a shot at them of course, but I like it a lot better than having them disappear after crossing the invisible line.

But at the same time 150 yards/meters seems a bit conservative for a high velocity round like a .270. Still, it's important to know how it works as modeled, not whether it's real-world accurate. But 'effective range' can mean many things I suppose.

Skybird

01-20-23, 05:00 PM

You can hit at 300m and more, but there is serious loss of kinetic energy and bullet drop simulkated, it seems. I have hit at these ranges, but the hits were followed by long after searches. I try to keep my shooting within 150-200 m, with lighter callibres rather shorter than longer.

Animals get rendered up to 500m or so, beyond that they become invisible, but are still there and do their things.

Trophies stay in the session if not harvested, but if you leave the session and then come back to harvest them later , they are gone.

Most recommended maps imo are the Taiga, Africa, Alaska, Colorado, New England. Africa is quite difrferent, huge hordes of stampeding big beats. Fear the Capetown buffalo (=widow maker). Its very aggressive,m it prusues you,a nd nit can really maul you up. Its also buggy a bit and tends to chas eoyu acropss all the map. Outrunnign it is no option - you have to kill it. Same with wolve packs in Alaska. If you run into one of them, the rest of the pack is after you, you need to kill several of them too to drive them off. I met them just once, it was a bad surprise - with the bad ending for me.

Siberian Taiga and New England are extremely beautiful. Watch again the trailer for the Taiga release .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArD7Te25UGU

Threadfin

01-21-23, 08:57 AM

Thanks. It's odd that so many weapons would have a 150m effective range, but it's a game after all.

Those links you provided were helpful. I referred to the googledoc showing the animal class per map with the various cartridges and which class they are meant for several times during last night's session. Very useful.

I hunted Silver Ridge Peaks for a while, then swapped over to Layton Lakes to check out a new one. With the DLC I bought I have a number of free weapons, which cuts out the grind for new guns. Pricing is steep compared to the rate at which you earn money, so I could see how grindy it probably was at release. But these weapon packs put paid to that. .308, .223, ,22, ,30-06, the drilling rifle, bows, a crossbow and lots more are 'free' with the DLC, which of course means real money instead of in-game currency. Which in turn gives me a lot more freedom to chose a loadout and hunt the maps and eliminates the early-game gun progression I'd otherwise go through.

My impression of Call of the Wild improved considerably in session two. The safari theme park vibe I got at the start has receded. Maybe those animals were just placed in such a way so that a new player newly spawned felt the world teeming with game, which it is, but this way you can see it right from the off.

It looks fantastic, especially in a wide-view sense. At the closest ranges it shows it's age I think, but when you take in the greater vistas it is simply beautiful. The render ranges for stuff like vegetation and animals is rather low which hurts it, but this game had to run on PS4 and X Box six years ago so I get it. Sunlight and shadow are nicely done. Fog and rain.

One of the things I felt lacking when playing Way of the Hunter was statistics. And while Call of the Wild isn't extensive, it does track and display more detail from the player's hunting career which I like.

I bought the Master Hunter edition because I thought it had everything the Seasoned Hunter edition does, plus more reserves maps. But I failed to notice only Seasoned Hunter has the tents DLC, which I think I I should get. There's a lot of DLC for this game.

Skybird

01-21-23, 09:40 AM

If you want statistics and excissve logging of thes,e ewvrything, then Hunte rclassic is your choice, and by a far lead so.

By statistics I once was amongst the 300 "best" players worldwide. They then changed the system, and I had a break form having overplayed it, and so that went down.

https://thehunter.fandom.com/de/wiki/TheHunter_Wikia

Classic still does some thignbs better than COTA, amognst them huntign with the air rifle, becasue here the mils in the scope really mean something, must be manually adjusted to compensate for bullet drop. Hunting rabbits with it in Australia really is a different game.

There is a reason why Classic just refuses to die and is still popular both with new players and old veterans. 14 years, counting! So many memories. An absolute highlight in my gaming "career", though it never was perfect, and still is not, and I have had my quarrels with it and with the devs. But weighing in all pros and cos, and by the end of the day: an absolute highlight in my gamer's life, and I have lots of love for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcjS2G66XuE

Threadfin

01-21-23, 11:38 AM

Thanks for the recommendation once again. It's actually free to play now right? No expiring licenses and that sort of thing anymore right?

I think Classic is dipping further in to the past than I want to go right now, but you never know. I imagine I'd like it fine, but with the two I am currently playing my dance card is full enough at the mo.

Skybird

01-22-23, 07:32 AM

I did not know that they put real world locations into the game!

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2914699494

Threadfin

01-23-23, 11:44 AM

I did indeed add two more DLC to my CotW install, the tents and blinds, and the ATV. The tent is handy on long hunts, or if real life suddenly intervenes, you can plop down a save point right here. Or swap loadout, buy ammo, whatever. The problem is it weighs 6 (kilos, pounds, whatever it is) and that limits other stuff you can carry and still keep under the "make more noise and be more visible" threshold.

This wouldn't be a big deal if the rangefinder sight for my bow wasn't so fookin' heavy. It weighs four times what a rifle scope does. Why?

I'm having a good time with Call of the Wild. I prefer the hunting sim in Way of the Hunter if I'm honest. It's just closer to what I want out of a hunting game when out in the field, tracking game, taking shots. But if I set that aside, the rest of Call of the Wild expands on what WotH is.

-- Maps/Reserves. No contest here. I can find little fault in the way the reserves in either game are done. Beautiful, huge, diverse. But Call of the Wild has so many more to choose from. Admittedly, some are not that much of a switch, like New England, Layton Lake District and Hirschfelden aren't that much different really. But they are still different maps, with some variation in populated game, and more so in Europe of course.

And while CotW does have all of these maps to hunt, they are individual DLC at 8 bucks a pop. Two reserves are included in the base game, and there are ten as DLC. Some gear is also behind these DLC paywalls, like the muzzleloader and .300 Win Mag rifle.

-- Animals. Again, CotW is a clear winner here in terms of sheer variety with more than 80 unique animal species to hunt. By comparison, WotH is around 20. Big difference, but expect that gap to close over time.

But WotH hits back when considering animal behavior and animations. It is much more convincing in this game than CotW. I've got hunting experience, and one spot Way of the Hunter is off a bit is how closely the animal herds stand and travel together. They should be more spaced out. I also find the way birds flush to be rather unconvincing in Way of the Hunter and I hope the devs look at these two areas to fine tune otherwise impressive animal behavior modeling.

-- Weapons and gear. Yeah, Way of the Hunter suffers here too. I might expect that this gap too will close over time. But it's not a given. Bows, crossbows and handguns give Call of the Wild diversity that Way of the Hunter cannot match. The bow hunting is fun too.

It's been out a lot longer, and like mentioned some of this kit is locked behind paywalls. It remains to be seen how WotH will handle expansion, but so far what's been added has been done for 'free'. And it's not just weapons, but callers, scents, blinds and stands and more that Call of the Wild has in abundance.

-- The hunting. This is what it's all about right? I have to give the nod to Way of the Hunter. It just feels more realistic to me. The stalking, animal behavior and shooting feels more like actual hunting. But when you step back and consider all the other stuff that surrounds it -- like the aforementioned maps, animal types, kit and gear -- the two games round out in about the same spot for me. If Way of the Hunter ever approaches Call of the Wild for sheer content, I think the choice between the two will be clear for me.

But that's a big if, and the way things stand right now I see plenty to like from both games.

Skybird

01-23-23, 04:35 PM

Its best to collect DLCs ins ales, or buy special event packjs for cheap price.

Weight limits can be overocme a bit by using one of threew Rucksack, adding 3, 6 and 9 additonal kg to carry (at the price of additional noise profile, but I wonder to what degree scent and accoustics really are realistically modelled in COTW, beyond the obvious many bugs there also are).

I use a medium Rucksack, this way I can carry two rifles to cover the range of animals in thwe reserve, a pistol, medikit, scopes, ammo, bino, 2-4 caller, a tripod or treestand in needed, a tent. I do not like pistols for hunting, I always carry just the .454 for self defence, especially against buffalos. I have a buffalo trauma.

I used arrows more in Classic Hunter than in COTW. I dont know why this is so, it just happened. in CH, it was good with bows and xbows.

The tripod can be of use. The treestand not so much.

Skybird

01-25-23, 08:21 AM

Who said Hunter Classic is "dead"...? They just released a new species, Wood Grouse, in Hirschfelden, Valle-de-Bois and Hemmeldal, and said they bring back to life an old feature from the past: live streams.

Threadfin

01-25-23, 08:59 AM

Well it wasn't me :)

None of these games have Ruffed Grouse, which I grew up hunting. Those things would scare the bejeebus out of you when they flushed. All thunder and flapping wings in the heaviest cover. Good luck!

Good advice mate about waiting for a sale. And for some of the stuff I will wait. But some other stuff cannot wait haha. I've been looking to pick up a proper big game rifle. Something for class 9 animals. And then I can head off to Africa. At the mo, the only thing I have is the Drilling rifle, and that thing's not my style.

So the choice is either the .300 or the .338. One is locked behind DLC and both are expensive. So I've been trying to save my money, only buying ammunition when needed, and have 73k. A few grand more for the rifle and a couple boxes of ammo and I'll head off to Africa.

Which means I'll be buying the Yukon DLC to unlock the Canning. I've now hunted all the maps I have, which is six of them. There are twelve overall. I'll wait for a sale for the others I hope.

If the .338 were a bolt-action I'd get that one. Not a fan of break-action guns. Or side-by-sides for that matter. I do like over/unders, levers, bolts and automatics. Pumps are in the middle, having used a 20 gauge Winchseter for years. And actually, my very first gun was a single-shot break action 20 ga. It's what I learned with, took the hunter safety course with. You'd think I'd be fond of them, but nah :)

Having dropped a lot more time in to Call of the Wild I'm digging it. Some of the item locks are frustrating (like why do I have to have high mastery to buy small game arrows?) but overall it's a lot of fun. Took my longest shot (vitals) out to 321 yards last night. Elk dominate the top of my trophy table. Predators are a real trip in this game, getting attacked is common enough to keep you on high alert depending on the reserve. Shooting percentage is 90% and I hope to keep it there, but wolf packs cause panic don't you know.

The bow hunting is a lot of fun and the sheer variety of terrain and animals keeps it interesting as I bounce around the world. Call of the Wild is far more generous in terms of carry restrictions than Way of the Hunter. Generous, not realistic, as I was carrying a .308, .223, 22LR, .357 revolver and a compound bow on the hunt last night. Nice to have options haha.

Threadfin

01-25-23, 10:35 AM

Weight limits can be overocme a bit by using one of threew Rucksack, adding 3, 6 and 9 additonal kg to carry (at the price of additional noise profile, but I wonder to what degree scent and accoustics really are realistically modelled in COTW, beyond the obvious many bugs there also are).

I use a medium Rucksack, this way I can carry two rifles to cover the range of animals in thwe reserve, a pistol, medikit, scopes, ammo, bino, 2-4 caller, a tripod or treestand in needed, a tent. I do not like pistols for hunting, I always carry just the .454 for self defence, especially against buffalos.

Interesting. I bought the tents and blinds DLC, and it is great while exploring a new reserve, but once I have base camps unlocked all over the map the tent loses some of its value to me.

I'm not much for ambush hunting. Don't care for blinds or stands, that's not my jam. Just stalking, so the tripod and other infrastructure has been of no use to me yet. If there's one place I could see the tripod being good it's Medved due to the danger, and probably Africa for the same reason, but I have yet to hunt there. Which means I was wrong when I said I've hunted all six reserves I have. It's just five so far I guess. Hirsch, Layton, Silver Ridge Peaks, Medved and I tried Revontuli last night for the first time.

I'm not using callers or scents either, removed all of that from my loadout, which leaves plenty of room for weapons. Just straight stalking, upwind and that's plenty effective. I'm sure I could decimate herds with a caller, but that's not how I want to play. Single shot, single harvest, move on.

I have the night vision stuff, but didn't care for it so dropped that too. So on my last hunt I was carrying this, having dropped the tent

-- Binoculars. The most used piece of kit in the bag. This is what you walk around with, and only bring up your rifle when you've decided to shoot.

-- .308 Tarza. Magazine fed semi-auto. Looks like a military rifle, like a AR-10 or similar. The 4-8 class handles a wide range of game.
-- .223 Tarza. Just like above but chambered in .223. Class 2-3 rifle for fox, coyote and lynx sized animals.
-- .22LR. For class 1 game, of which there is plenty, especially in Revontuli. Lightweight and the ammo is too. Rabbits, birds, waterfowl
-- .357 Revolver. Close-in defense weapon, and I'd like to go with the .44 for this, but money's tight. All in due time.
-- Koter CB-65 Compound Bow. Bows can handle any size game, which is according to the arrow used, not the bow. But so far I've used it mainly for deer.

For ammunition it's all poly tip, and arrows are a mixed bag due to needing unlocks. Have not tried a crossbow yet. I need better shotgun options too.

There are a lot of animals in the game and I enjoy hunting them all, but I consider myself a whitetail hunter at heart and that's my main focus. I also use the .243, especially on Hirschfelden because it covers class 2-6 which is great on that map.

This link given by Skybird is gold

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kTG69dqpeYEnmcWYBI_Ez_4Fd8jc44g5WOJ3I_bLPig/edit#gid=414347241

Skybird

01-25-23, 11:42 AM

The drilling should be respected, its a beast, if handed properly, and useful especially in Africa and against buffalo in general. Those buffalos absolutely do not like getting shot at and not killed, and they let you know that. The drilling means a shot from longer distance, it then chases at you, and in that rush you give it another round. Short before it reaches you, you give it the single big callibre round for short distance.

I have been chased across all the map by angry buffalos, whole herds, that was a bug back then, and I do not know if meanwhile it got fixed. Be warned, however, expect everything. Meeting a buffalo at close range in high grass in Africa is also not a nice surprise, but can go terribly wrong, buffalos do not like the player to pop up close to them by surprise. Nor does the player like it after the first such experience. :D Also, Africa has stampeding big herds. You may not want to stand in their way, you might get plowed under.

Simiiar warning for the wolves in Alaska. Shoot their Alpha and see the rest of the pack going after your throat, you need to then kill several of them, so have your rifles or pistols right. A single round weapon is not the best idea.

I recently read that the few scent sint he game currently are functionless anyway, but the opinions seem to be divided. In Classic, you can call (bigger range), then mark the spot you have chosen with scent, and then sneak some dozen meters away, scents reach not as far as callers. The animal approaches, gets attracted to the scent, and thats the time when it is where you want to have it. However, some sly foxes and coyotes and such may flank you and apporoach you cautiously form a direciton you abslutely did not expect. They are "clever", may not apprahc in astraight line.Othger animals may get distracted during their approach, and wander off. If calling too often, you may spook them.

You can find prey, move back a bit, set up the tripod or treestand, move forwardf again, call, move onto the tripod or treestand, and then wait. That might be a safe oiption against potentially dangeorus animals that might attack if getting wounded only. The accoustic side of things is not realistically simualted in thes egames, you can see it a bit more relaxed than you would in relaity.

Scent suppressor spray imo is not needed, I am not even certain that it has an effect. I used it only in Classic, and then only when hunting with a simple bow and needed to get real close. But staying out of sight I think was more important.

Its a game, many things are simplified. Still: very enjoyable.

Threadfin

01-25-23, 01:42 PM

Yeah man, the wolves are no joke, but at least they circle you a bit before moving in. Tasting you in the wind I image. That brief respite lets you get your sh!t in order. I've died once so far. It was in Medved of course. Wolves took out half my health, and I killed two out of the pack with some wild, close-range scope shooting (this hurt my percentage lol).

Then, still at half-health, I started getting run over by moose and boars until I fell dead in the snow.

So when I returned I was ready. Wolves howling? Switch to the rifle, make sure it's fully loaded and then hope you're the one left standing. This time I took out two more and the rest scattered. And I didn't take a hit.

Africa's even worse I imagine, as the stuff is that much more deadly.

As for the Drilling, you are correct of course. I am not saying it isn't a capable weapon. Just that the style of the gun is not mine. There's always stuff like this for me in games. Like how I won't use side-by-sides if I can help it, or I won't recruit chariots in Total War games haha.

I think the .300 will be perfect for me. Bolt action, magazine fed so there're follow up rounds loaded. I've shot a Weatherby .300 and it's a hell of a rifle. Perfect forthis class of game and a style of gun that appeals to me.

Threadfin

01-26-23, 08:20 AM

My plans were dashed when I discovered that the .300 requires 6000+ rifle mastery. How I ignored this I don't know. I had a good start to yesterday's session, quickly earned more than enough to buy the rifle, then hopped out to purchase the Yukon DLC, at which point I finally realized I cannot have this rifle. Derp.

Many players had been playing for two years when this DLC was released, and for them the mastery lock would have been no issue. I've been playing for less than two weeks and I sit at half that number.

Well, I have a new reserve to hunt anyway.

That good start was on Revontuli. I was doing the first quest, the 'Blue Trail' mission. Near the end it has the player show his shooting skills by shooting at targets at increasing distances from inside rock circles placed on the ground. I hit the first few first try, but the 300m target eluded me. I took four shots and missed them all. Then I saw that even the hits counted as misses and now my shooting percentage is all fouled up dammit. Those shots should not have counted (like at the rifle range) or at least count the hits right?

I gave it up as a bad job and I'll return when I have the top scope. Best I have now is the 4x8 (Hyperion?). A .300 has a nice flat trajectory (I assume, yes?) and the higher power scope should allow me to finish this one.

Speaking of this mission..... the narrator drives me nuts. I wish I could shut him up. In Way of the Hunter I complained about the story and narrative. How cheesy it is. Call of the Wild said 'hold my beer' because in some ways it is even worse. Not every reserve is terrible, but the dude in Finland is just too much. Musing about philosophy and being naked. I was talking out loud to him, just shut up man!

The dude in Silver Ridge Peaks? Get off your ass man! Tap dancing on my last nerve that one.

Just let me hunt. Why couldn't the missions have just been hunting? Shoot a bear at 200 yards, or spot ten ibex, harvest a gold whitetail, or find five partridge tracks, or that sort of thing.

Did manage to get my first diamond while earning the money to buy the rifle I can't have. A capercallie!

And the hunt club is back up. That earned me some good money last night. I like these sorts of daily and weekly challenges. I hope they stick with it.

Skybird

01-26-23, 10:06 AM

I ignore the missions, always. I think you cna even switch them off somewhere.

There are "trainers" for this game, allowing you to manipulate the savgame to add you the score you need to be permitted to buy certain stuff.

After several years of intermittendly playing this title, I used that option last autumn, since I completely play on my own, and non-competitive, and non-statistics-oriented anyway.

Because the whole system is illogical anyway. You have to spend long, long time and many hunts with inferior stuff or lacking stuff to catch the big bad boogie prey out there, to be allowed to buy a high callibre weapon - at a time when you are so experienced that you do not really need it anymore anyway.

Or the caller for I think elk it was, its hilarious why you get it only at level 35 or so.

The big self-protecting power of the .454 against bears, moose, wolves, buffalo, bison that charge at you at closest range is needed for the newbie - not for the experienced who does not bring himself into that situation in the first, probably. :D In high grass, that thing is worth pure gold.

The game design on these things, the logic behind it, imo is terribly flawed. i do not care for it, I refuse to obey it.

In Classic, you had to simply buy the stuff you wanted - in real money. Now in ingame money. You had to pay a monbthly or yeraly memberhsip fee, and for equipment you wanted.

Don't be inhibited by design motives that do not make sense for gameplay. Cheat you scoring and get that claler now, or that rifle, and play the way you want to play. There is no damage done to other players or yourself, you do not cheat online competition, you loose no joy or entertainment.

Just resist to give yourself a big sack of gold. Earn the mony you need ingame. Just get rid of those stupid limitations for equipment. Its totally stupid a design, imo. The whole skill and perk system is nonsense, imo.

I think I used WeMod back then, free account.

I did not use cheaters in Classic, since here your extremely extensive statistics and rankings were constantly compared to global rankngs. Every shot, distance, hit or fail, weapon, prey was logged and stored forever. On these, further rankings and ratings awarding badges was based.

Threadfin

01-26-23, 10:28 AM

Yeah that's the ticket. Does using a trainer to grant me the mastery to buy the Canning affect the ability to get achievements, do you know?

If it does not, then I might just do that. Because otherwise I need to play as long as I already have, and take about another 60 animals with a rifle before I can get it.

If you're going to lock weapons behind a DLC paywall, at least let us use them from the start.

I have that 454 hand cannon, from a weapons pack.

Skybird

01-26-23, 11:08 AM

Perks, skills, ratings, levels, money, god modes, invincibility, invuolnerability, instadeath of enemies, reveal all map features, unlock all chests and doors - you can manipulate everythign with such trainers.

I just checked WeMod, and it seems since last autumn they have dramatically overhauled their design and handling, I did not recognise it anymore, but COTW is still listed in the pool of games that can be cheated for free. I also mdid not need an account, now I would.

I recall that I used it also for No Man's Sky.

But I cannot tell you how it works now, it has chnaged.

However, if you google for game title and cheat, you will find many cheating engines. Some of them are services that cost money, so watch out.

Skybird

01-26-23, 11:13 AM

I have that 454 hand cannon, from a weapons pack.

Note: class 4-9, that makes it really a very interesting thing.

I miss the weapon sounds of the Classic Hunter. Some of the weapons there thunder away like a broadside from a Napoleonic sailship :) . And the .454 in it was a tank cannon, raw and brutal and heavy. The weapon sounds in COTW are meh...

Nice in the extensive statriscs keeping was and is that every misse dshot affctes your statics for thta weapon. I especially was a Nazi when it came to preicison ratings, and wanted the rifles I used to have this rating at 97% and higher. And I had. Every missed shot negatively affected that total scoring, of course. That made you really careful, this and the fact that you only had limited ammo supplied for free, additional ammo had to be bought with real money. Like the system or not: it kept the trigger-happy Rambos away.

Oubaas

01-26-23, 02:34 PM

Threadfin

01-26-23, 02:36 PM

Nice in the extensive statriscs keeping was and is that every misse dshot affctes your statics for thta weapon.

What do you mean by this? Are you saying if my overall rifle percentage is 90% that I get less rifle XP for each kill than if my overall rifle percentage was 98%?

Or what do you mean exactly?

I find I get 49Xp for most recent rifle shots. before I saw 62, and 50+ alot. Was that because my overall percentage was higher and now it's dropped because of the stupid targets in Finland?

I was wondering how this number is calculated. Does it factor in range, or impact location, vitals etc? How is that XP determined? Just interested in weapon 'mastery' XP.

Threadfin

01-26-23, 03:14 PM

I shot an American Bison in the head with the .454 at point blank range as he charged me in COTW. Dropped him like a rock, right at my feet with one shot. It certainly has stopping power, despite looking like something a pimp would carry.

Haha, that's right. Pimp gun.

But I should carry it for close defense. If you're going to carry a handgun why not carry the hardest hitter?

Skybird

01-26-23, 03:41 PM

What do you mean by this? Are you saying if my overall rifle percentage is 90% that I get less rifle XP for each kill than if my overall rifle percentage was 98%?

Or what do you mean exactly?

I find I get 49Xp for most recent rifle shots. before I saw 62, and 50+ alot. Was that because my overall percentage was higher and now it's dropped because of the stupid targets in Finland?

I was wondering how this number is calculated. Does it factor in range, or impact location, vitals etc? How is that XP determined? Just interested in weapon 'mastery' XP.

No, I was talking of Classic. When you had fired 10 shots in all your matches, and missed three times, you preciisons core for that would be 70%. Any further shot event, miss or hit, would be calculated into that valuue. After 200 shots in the last 20 games you had 184 hits? Your precision with that rifle then would be 92%. It would break the statistics down even further for ditances, and whether the hit was lethal or not.

Classic kept track of just every statistic imaginable.

In COTW, things like callbre, ethical hunting gets calculated too. Use overkill calliorbe on a rabbit, and your trophy integrity drops, you get less moeny and a much smaller score. Drop the animals with nothign elss than seven rounds, and you see your socre suffering. Use a round of a matchign clalibre (measured ba "class"), and drop the animal in place, and you have higher trophy integrity and get mor emoeny,a nd more XP score and value. A long afterhunt was needed, or no vitals were hit, and more than two shots were fired and hit,l but did not kill? Scores drop again, the animal suffered, that is not wabted.ften shooting females will give you a little money to cover your box of ammo costs, but no XP at all: zero. We shoot bucks only.

The penalty system was more prominent in Classic, and is more inclusive, or subtle, in COTW. You get lounsihed not so much by being given active engages score effects, but your possible maximum score+money being reduced.

Note that bisons and buffalos canot be dropped with one hsot to the liung. You need a brain shot or a spine shot, the first to drop it in place indeed, the second to prevent it at least from charging at you.

Steam communit paage has an illustrated X-ray guide on vitals for every species. Newbies often are surprised how very deep at the chest they need to aim to hit the heart, many beginner shoot way too high, missing both heart and lungs then. Pigs I prefer to drop by brian shot, but make sure you choose a callibre that is sufficient to penetrate the skull bone. I onbly take them frontally, centered between the eyes and then a bit higher.

Neck shots in deer species are unsafe, too thing the target, too much sudden movement. Also , its not needed to take these high risk shots.

Wolves: only with a multi-round rifle, and a multiround pistol for the inevitable infight. I had it with wolves just three times, and every time I had to fire 8-10 rounds to get the pack off me. No time to reload. Plenty of dead or wounded wolves. Bloody mess! :D

Beware the widowmaker in high grass (African buffalos, water buffalos).

Threadfin

01-27-23, 09:57 AM

Threadfin

01-27-23, 10:34 AM

Oh yeah, I wanted to add that after our discussion yesterday I started carrying the pimp gun and took a bison with it. I had not taken a single class 9 animal in my 55 hours so far. But this cannon gave me the confidence to stay in tight to that beast and take him. Usually I start beating feet when one of these is close.

Once I qualify for the .300 things will change. But this pimp gun gives me protection at close range I didn't have before. Thanks for bringing it up!

Skybird

01-27-23, 10:44 AM

I see, I misunderstood what you were saying.

I think for now I'm going to skip the trainer cheats, and just stick it out to 6000 rifle XP. Gives me a goal to chase and that's fine with me. I looked up how rifle score is calculated. One of the things is integrity as you pointed out.

So my question is, how does the range of suitable class for each weapon effect integrity? Let's take the .308 for example, which is the rifle I use the most. It is a class 4-8 weapon.

If I am targeting a whitetail for example, would a .243 be more integrity? In other words, even though the .308 is class 4, would a smaller class 4 cartridge (2-6 with the .243) be more ethical and result in higher integrity and therefore rifle score?
Don't know, never tested it systematically, since I do not care.

I also play without TruRacks, because these make the antlers look hilarious at times. COTW has zero statistcs and awards attraction for me. If I get the money from a hunt that comes up for the ammo spend, I'm fine. And maybe, every couple of months a new tent for a new reserve. I prefer to restart where I last time left. That way I get aroun d and see more of the reserve.

Skybird

01-27-23, 10:46 AM

What the heck is a pimp gun? :D

Threadfin

01-27-23, 10:49 AM

Check out the last few posts from the previous page. It's the 454.

Threadfin

02-03-23, 02:39 PM

When will there be a sale?! Haha, I'm itching to complete the set, but I want to feel smart by waiting for a sale so I can snap up the DLC I have yet to get.

I did indeed unlock all the stuff tied to rifle score, got my .300 (and unlocked the .338 and .470 as well, but have not purchased those weapons) I bought the .300 for its long-range, big-game capability and my first shot was a grizzly at 6 yards! Too close!

I have seven of the thirteen reserves and want to get them all. Call of the Wild always seems to be on sale, until I want it to be. A watched pot never boils eh?

Nice buck taken at 256 yards with a .308 last night. Fourteen pointer! I have the bow in hand because there are more deer out of frame further along the water's edge. I'm crawling for the same reason :)

https://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/43795/filename/ConfirmTrophy.jpg

Threadfin

02-06-23, 12:10 PM

I caved again and picked up the New England Mountains reserve DLC. I wanted to wait for a sale to feel smart, but I now had plenty of time on each reserve I do have, aside from maybe the savanna and Siberia, where I've done a few hours at least on each, but so far I prefer more of a forest and farmland sort of set up. Spending my youth hunting in northeastern Pennsylvania made me think that the New England map would be the closest match. And it is, on the southern half of the map There's a river valley that bisects the map east to west, and south of this line it feels a lot like the terrain I've hunted, Bradford and Sullivan counties in NE PA, if anyone is familiar with the region. Private land near Endless Mountains State Park, along the upper end of the Susquehanna River. Sort of sitting in the center of the Poconos and Catskills.

The land in the reserve lacks the populations, sparse as it is, and the dairy farms that dot the area. And the soil isn't full of clay haha. But otherwise it really is a close match and this is already one of my favorite reserves. The mountains as we call them in the east are really more like ridges. Rounded across the crest and running a long distance along the spine. What geologists call a dissected plateau. The way the rivers 'cut' the land looks great too, just as it was when I hunted. So this map feels like home. North of the river valley the terrain is heavier and more rugged, more like Vermont or Maine. This reserve is very good for whitetail hunting, Has quite a few class 1 small game, like 'coons, cottontails, bob-whites, ringnecks, ducks and turkey. Well, coons are class 2. Also has bobcats, coyotes, red and gray fox. Black bears and moose are the big game in the preserve. So a nice mix, and the first reserve where I feel like I want to carry a shotgun.

I caved again and bought the Duck and Cover DLC for four bucks to get the 20ga semi-auto and birdshot and slugs. I have a 12-ga over/under but not the score to unlock birdshot or slugs. Just buckshot, so it is slow going gaining that mastery. Buying Duck and Cover just gives that kit for 'free' and now I can use that 20ga for everything from rabbits, pheasant and duck to deer. Only holds 3 rounds. Must have a magazine plug dammit. They'll probably sell a DLC to give you two more shells.

This shot really feels like the region I'm talking about, maybe if those hills in the background were one contiguous thing. It's too early in the season to feel like buck season really, this is like late September judging by the foliage. But it would have been nice to hunt deer in a light jacket instead of foot-deep snow, so here I get to head out when the weather is still nice

https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/43822/filename/SuilivanCounty.jpg

Threadfin

02-08-23, 09:25 AM

Skybird

02-08-23, 11:39 AM

When will there be a sale?!
I assume around easter.

Skybird

02-08-23, 11:45 AM

This is what I mean by not much discussion around here :)

I posted the same shot over on the thread at SimHQ, but I thought this is interesting. I take shooting percentage seriously. I don't like missing shots, often passing up those presented in order to improve my position, range or angle. I don't shoot at running animals. I aim to make every shot count, and hit the proper spots to ensure a clean harvest. Misses stick with me until I've hit the next six or ten on the bounce.

I think consistency is a worthy thing to shoot for. How's this?

https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/43903/filename/Stats313.jpg

Identical shooting percentages for every weapon type. What are the chances?! I think I should be hitting 90% so I have work to do.

I did not even noticed that this screen/statistics table is there. :D Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

I am currently absorbed with hexfield cosimming, and my daily dose of Fallouting in the evening - since severla years, almost every evening, a short hop into Diamond City and the Wasteland. Must be several thousand hours by now. Thank Mod. :D

Threadfin

02-08-23, 01:12 PM

I'm happy to do so, and I only wish the statistics were far more detailed.

How many moose have I taken? How many whitetails with a .243? .308? 420-gr arrow?

I know now that I've taken 51 whitetails, but only because I got the Whitetail Hunter achievement for taking 50. I wish the game tracked and displayed all this info. But, it's got more than Way of the Hunter, so there's that.

Skybird

02-08-23, 09:39 PM

Again, if you want statistics, then Hunter Classic is your thing. It collects them exessively.

Threadfin

02-09-23, 03:18 PM

What a conundrum, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded by an enigma!

Haha, yes I want more detailed statistics, about everything. it's my jam.

On the other hand I don't want to play Hunter Classic, at least not at this time.

What to do?! Stay the course is my current plan, but you never know. It's free to play as far as I can tell so why not take a punt down the line?

In Call of the Wild I finally reached the required weapons score to unlock the Hawk Edge 70 compound bow! Felt like a steep hill to climb, but satisfying to have done so. I reckon it took somewhere between 40 and 50 bow kills to do it. See, even this statistic is missing, how many have I taken with a bow? This is the sort of stuff that should be minimum expectation in games like these in my view.

I was looking to pick up another reserve last night but didn't pull the trigger. One I considered is Cuatro Colinas. But I didn't simply because of the wolves.

The devs have gone way too far with how they've modeled the danger wolves present to the player. they are relentless and lethal. You hear a howl, and they are circling, then they move in for the kill. You need to shoot three of them before you can make them run off. It's silly.

Wolves are predators, and present a certain danger. But like most predators you encounter in the wild, they are not man eaters. They detect another predator (you). They smell your threat. And they move off. I've seen it personally with bears, wolves and cougars. But in this game, those wolves will never not attack. If you hear the howl, you will be attacked within seconds. No warning shot will scare them off.

An occasional attack I could live with. The way it's done here is ridiculous and it makes me avoid the maps with wolves more than I want to. Especially Taiga. Wolves are also in Cuatro Colinas, and frankly it kills my enthusiasm for buying it. When it goes on sale I will, but how much time I'll spend there is a question.

Skybird

02-09-23, 04:45 PM

I encountered wolves very rarely, and only when I attacked them it was a hair-raising follow-on-play, yes. I use a multi-round rifle, bets with a magazone of 5, and do not reload it, but when emtpied I draw a pistol. But in general I never meet them if not actually searching them out. I have never been attacked randomly, different to buffaloes and the likes. If there is one species I really am on my guard against, then widowmakers buffaloes, these things , and i do not like how their behaviour is modelled with their laser-range-finders and GPS controlled track-the-player-and-charge-feature even if player is out of sight feature. Big cats also never were a problem, although they are meant to sometimes be one. Maybe I simply play too cautiously and thus get not surprised, I dont know. I expected more danger from them, but found: none.

I do not see both Hunter games as simulations but as games with simulation elements. They accept compromises, and all in all these work well in the meaning of that I enjoy walking in these worlds and feel properly entertained.

In Classic I sometimes hosted MP sessions, starting at 5 a.m. ingame time and ending at 7 p.m. , so that were 7 hours of playtime in real hours, all day long, so to speak. Classic doe snot have night play and ends the session at 7 p.m. It was fun, but I would not have the patience anymore.

Threadfin

02-10-23, 09:34 AM

Yeah, no, my experience so far is very different.

And actually, animals like the bison make sense to attack the player when he is detected at close range. Wolves do not. Way of the Hunter has got it right. Call of the Wild does not. The wolf behavior is not natural, done to make the game world feel more dangerous. Probably the worst single aspect of Call of the Wild for me.

Skybird

02-11-23, 08:27 AM

Last time I attacked big buffalos, I did so in hiding, and from a distance, and they could impossible see me, and a lake between them and me, and I laid flat. I injured the animal, and it imemdoately knew where I was, it locked a laser target finder on me, ran around the whole lake right to my position. It also called in its "wingmen", and form severla directions the other bufalos zeroed in in a straight line on my position.

Its totally messed up.

Or I get the attention of one of the, and flee on a quadbioke. I race across the whole map, with buffaloes form all across the palce on my heels. I reach a lodge, go in, close the dorr, and they breakl in thoruigh windows and doors.

BS.

I like the Hunter Classic, too, but I have had big quarrels with the original developer over the years. Did not get any help at all when due to issues ont heir side I could nto play for months while paying monethly fees. Big bugs not beign adressed FOR YEARS.

Still, the games are so good, good enough, that I still like them and play them. But the developer I do not like. I have a very cold attitude to them.

Have not met buffaloes since long time, since I avoid them, since very long. I plany to go into bow hunting in COTW, finally. Did so a lot in Classic, but not in COTW. In _Hirschefelden, there is a shoppoting range I think in the south-eastenr cornber of the map, a quite big gone. If you fire there, ammo does not get consumed.

Threadfin

02-11-23, 08:46 AM

Still, the games are so good, good enough, that I still like them and play them. But the developer I do not like. I have a very cold attitude to them.

Very true. Any critique I have is simply trying to be objective. I really like playing both of these hunting games.

Yes, the range is a free DLC and located in the SE corner of Hirschfelden. I have a screenshot in that thread over at SimHQ when I went to work out the hold over needed with the .300 at 300m. And yes, the ammo count changes to infinite and the shots do not count for the shooting percentage when at the range.

I was thinking about why your experience with wolves could be so different and it's worth noting that for me they are the worst on Medved Taiga. This map was only back-filled with wolves in November with the Granite update, when many maps received additional animals. So any time you spent in Medved prior to then wouldn't have had wolves in the reserve.

There's an archery range in Parque Fernando, but I have yet to pick up that reserve. Hirschfelden works for archery too.

Speaking of Hirschfelden, here's a nice Red stag taken there in my last visit

https://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/download/Number/43954/filename/RedDeerHarvest.jpg

Trophy rating was 231 (gold) and the shot was taken from 223 yards with the .308.

Skybird

02-11-23, 08:54 AM

Do you use TruRac? I don't, it mades the antlers in Classic look hilarious, and the statistics and scoring does not interest me anyway. The default antlers look a bit more natural, not as overblown. "Antlers on steroids, causing mutations".

Threadfin

02-11-23, 09:16 AM

I would have it on default. Is it enabled or disabled at the start? I've not changed it. I think it's off by default.

I care about score, in trying to take the best trophies. With the perks and skills I've taken I can see weight and trophy estimates when spotting and tracking, and can now target the best examples. Of course with deer-likes the rack itself is a good indicator, but I couldn't tell a trophy bear, fox or bison just by looking at it. Maybe if they are standing beside another one I can judge which one is bigger. So the trophy estimate range is very handy to select the best ones to target.

My gold percentage has shot way up since obtaining these perks, but I still have but a single diamond, and no great ones.

Way of the Hunter emphasizes the stages a hunter goes through.

To paraphrase, these are

-- Shooting Stage. The hunter is happy to get out in the field and fire his weapon at targets.

-- Limit Stage. The hunter has the skills to successfully harvest game and proves it by taking his limit

-- Trophy Stage. The hunter is no longer satisfied with taking a full tag. Now he seeks the best examples.

-- Method Stage. Trophies alone are no longer enough, and the hunter seeks to challenge himself with the method. Bows, muzzleloaders and other skillful methods are attractive.

-- Sportsman Stage. The hunter is content. He has mastered his craft and has the trophies to prove it. Now he seeks to share what he knows with new hunters, and seeks to promote conservation and teach newcomers the proper ethics and methods of hunting.

I'm straddling stages 3 and 4 haha. Bow hunting for the best animals is how I spend the most time, but I mix it up with all weapons. Funny story. I noticed I got the new .50 modern muzzleloader. Must have come with the New England reserve?

Anyway, I took it out last night to complete a mission that required it (take a turkey with a bow and a moose with the muzzleloader). I was slowly stalking near a lake and spotted a black bear not far off. She sensed me and rose on her hind legs like they do but I wasn't prepared to shoot and I stopped to see what she did. She lost me as I had stopped moving and began walking, straight toward my position. Straight on with her head low I could not get a good shot at the vitals. Finally, she was too close, just 15 yards and I tried to shoot past her head and hit the chest. But whatever I hit didn't take her down and she came for me.

I went to shoot again, but saw I had no round loaded. Hit reload and well, it's a freakin' muzzleloader! Doh! She hit me at a full run and took a nice wedge out of my health bar. The lesson is, always make the first shot count with a muzzleloader haha.

Skybird

02-11-23, 12:25 PM

TruRac came after I already was in COTW. It left me the choice therefore to download it as a free DLC or not. So far I did not.

The only thing I care for is "one shot - one (quick) kill". If the deer dies within the time limit after the hit - the better. I avoid shots if they are not possible in a clean way. Also, I avoid, like I would in reality I would be hunting (I dont), shooting female deer. It gives you some ingame money, yes, but does nothing for points and score inciatin git is not ethical". So, I am after score, yes, but I do not care for the value, only that there is a score for sure: as an indicator for an ethical kill.

Doing so also helps to get more gold and a few diamond trophies.

In reality, if I had the possibility, I would hunt, and probbaly enjoy the stalking - but if I would nto plan to use the meat and eat it myself, I would not hunt to kill, but hunt to shoot with a camera. I do not like hinting for "sports" or for "trophies", I accept huntign for eatingk, however, or pest controllö. But sometimes one can perfectly debate about what is a pest worth to be hunted, and what not. often human hunters claim something to be a pest only to get rid of an unwanted animal competition that is after the same prey like the human hunters. You have the same problems in fishing. Here in Germany hunters therefore have an extremely bad reputation. My father, who did sports shooting, also had no friendly words for them. "Saufen und Rumballern", he said. No, sports shooters and hunters really do not like each other too much over here. :)

Threadfin

02-12-23, 10:03 AM

Doing so also helps to get more gold and a few diamond trophies.

Yeah, your approach is a good one. Pure hunting.

What do you mean by the bit I quoted? I've read about stuff like diamond stacking, but don't understand how it works. I'm not interested in gaming the game, but if there are simple things that can be done, certain methods that increase animal quality in the reserve, I'm interested in knowing about it.

I'm interested in diamonds too, because of the Grand Slam ibex hunting here. The objective is to take a diamond of all four ibex variants. Considering I've only taken one diamond in 330 harvests so far, this seems a shadowy goal indeed.

I added two more DLC to the soup. I'm so weak. Cuatro Colinas to give me another red and roe deer map, plus it will give me a third map with wolves so I can see if it's any different. These are Iberain wolves, not gray, and maybe their behavior is different, I don't know. I've heard two howls so far, but no attacks, and I didn't even see them. This map is much more open than the areas on Medved where I encounter them, so I feel like I can get the jump more easily. But so far, they've kept to themselves.

I also picked up the sidearms pack for the 10mm Glock. I've been carrying handguns a little more, and this will be a good wolves defense weapon I think. It gives class 6 over the .45 I've been carrying lately, so a little more powerful, although red deer with a 10mm is pushing it, but still maintains integrity. I bet there would be some long tracks though and I don't intend to use it for class 6, but it means it hits harder in the lower classes.

Skybird

02-12-23, 05:02 PM

The trophies you cna score are rated in Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Diamond. Its linked to the scoring value of the animal itself, I think, as long as you hunt it ethically and thus do not ruin the scoring. The high-value animals are usually not the ones moving in first, they are rare, may be "protected" by a screen of low value "guards"(like carriers surrounded by a screen of escorts :) ), or may immediately spook if you use a caller, or move in on them instead of letting them come to you. They are more difficult to hunt.

I did not find Gold and Diamond ones before my skills were seriously scaled up, maybe becasaue some oif these skills could be interpreted as a "sharpening of senses". But that is my interpretation only.

Threadfin

02-13-23, 08:21 AM

OK I see, I misunderstood once again. Yes, the harvest check is linked to the score. I was thinking you were discussing some way to raise quality by herd management.

I've only hunted Cuatro Colinas a few hours and have had a wolf attack. This one was bad in just about every way.

It was nearly dark, and I was in a field with high grass, making the circling and darting wolves hard to spot. I did have my new Glock, which holds 15 rounds, and I was popping them off at the fleeting targets. Finally they ran off. But two bronze harvests resulted since I hit one wolf more than twice, and the other outside the vitals. I hit a third evidently, because I lost my consecutive harvest bonus, so a third wolf must have died but I didn't find him. Two shots missed, dropping my shooting percentage, dammit. And one of the wolves got a strike in, taking a chunk out of my health. The only positive is some handgun score.

This behavior should only occur if the animal is wounded or cornered in my view.

Threadfin

03-03-23, 09:55 AM

New DLC coming for Call of the Wild on March 14.

Hunter Power Pack (https://callofthewild.thehunter.com/wp8-hunter-power-pack-coming-soon/)

Three new rifles.

.308 bolt-action. The .308 semi-auto is my most carried rifle. But bolt-action rifles to me are the essence of what a hunting rifle should be. I would expect it to have a longer barrel and maybe be a little heavier, resulting in higher accuracy and less recoil. The .308 is one of the top cartridges in the 4-8 class, matched only by the .30-06 for expansion and penetration (the 7mm is 4-9 and a class of it's own, along with the much shorter ranged .45-70)

7mm bolt-action. Being class 4-9 makes this cartridge the most versatile in the game.I don't use the current one as it is single-shot break action, which I don't care for. A magazine-fed bolt-action option is very attractive, but I would rarely to never use it for class 9 game like cape buffalo. There are better options for that. Not sure I'll carry this one much, but it will have it's uses. It would be a good option to carry in the Hirschfelden reserve. Everything is class 6 or lower, except the class 9 bison. Good cartridge for this map.

.338 bolt action.. Same deal as with the 7mm. Only current option is a single-shot break-action. Another magazine-fed rifle in this very powerful cartridge is a nice option. This might bump the .300 from my lineup. There's some discussion in the community about whether they will model .338 Win Mag, or .338 Lapua, and those are very different cartridges. Either way, it's a nice new rifle for the biggest game.

I expect I'll be using all three. Of all the weapon pack DLC, I think this one is most well-suited to me, I like everything in it, and that's not usually the case.

Finally harvested my first lion last night. I've made it a point to make the first one a top trophy, and I passed up many shots on lions to get there. This one was Mythical. Found him resting at 350 yards, but had to wait a few hours for him to stand up. When he did he started moving and closed the range to 180 yards where I took the shot. One lousy point short of diamond rating, but a magnificent trophy for the lodge.

Skybird

03-03-23, 10:04 AM

I had some fun with the night vision scope longer time ago. The implementation looked not too shabby.

Threadfin

03-14-23, 05:20 PM

DLC dropped along with a 22 gig patch. Good grief.

New trophy lodge and a bunch of fixes. Loadouts can now be saved.

Bought the Hunter Power pack. It was the .308 I was looking forward to, but it's the 7mm that has caught my attention. Three good rifles chambered in repeat cartridges, but I like me some bolts.

Oubaas

03-14-23, 09:59 PM

I think they should give us a .458 Winchester Magnum and add elephants to the African reserve.

:Kaleun_Cheers:

Threadfin

03-15-23, 12:14 PM

I'm all for new weapons and especially cartridges, but the devs have said no to elephants. Same with giraffe, rhino and hippo. Never say never I guess, but there are no plans to add those animals.

Call of the Wild has most covered, and honestly there aren't any cartridges I still want added. Way of the Hunter is different and has some holes to fill.

Maybe a .375 Holland? .416? I've got it all covered anyway as it is, and the best big big-game killers are the heavy arrows. 600gr drops anything.

Skybird

03-15-23, 04:31 PM

600gr drops anything.
Indeed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAJyBNVUcAUqqaT.jpg

Wanted to post on the update, but forgot it. Some good stuff and wanted features in there.

Threadfin

03-16-23, 01:43 PM

Haha, and I don't doubt it. 600gr shoulder mounted SAM.

But yeah, against something like a bison the 600gr arrows are more immediately effective for me than the .300 mag anyway.

I like the bow hunting in this game. I only use the compounds really, and the brightsight to make it quite easy indeed. I hit with 90% of my bow shots because of that sight.

Skybird

03-26-23, 05:47 PM

First game after the last update.

Late morning, I crawl out of the tent and get instantly mauled by a bear, and before I stopped thinking "WTF?" there comes a group of running moose and I am taken on the horns, first by one and then by the next. Makes three health losses in a row (game not even 30 seconds old), the health bar does not look good. While the herd disappears, a pack of wolves turns on their music and starts to party - in daylight ?! That was news to me, think I never met them in daylight before. Still badly injured, I save myself by running to the high seat near which I had camped, and climb up. The wolves came to stay. Most of the day I sit up there, because I didn't get to reload, I had only two cartridges, while it rumbles and growls around me in the forest. I go to the kitchen - in real life - and make dinner, also in rela life. I eat and watch some TV. As the sun disappears in the game, calm returns, I venture back down, crawl back into the tent, get the medikit and heal myself, load ammo and sleep to pass the night before saving the game. What a session.

:hmmm: Am I supposed to feel properly entertained now...? :haha:

Threadfin

03-27-23, 07:02 AM

That's what I've been saying :)

Bear, moose and wolves? Yukon? Medved?

Those wolves aren't fooling around, and anything else might run you over too, as you say.

Skybird

03-27-23, 11:12 AM

Yukon.

I think it was a glitch.

First, I never have Moose in herds like Wapitis, they walk alone. And the charge bonly when beign attacked before, I think it were simple random collisions that the game produces so happily and often.

Second, the Wolves, staying around all day and making noise, but soon being invisible again? They probbaly were gone ,a dn the echo sound stayed.

There have been sound bugs before in the game's history.

Anyway, it was a tale to tell, I think. :) I will never go sleeping and saving again without having uploaded ammo first...

Oubaas

03-31-23, 09:47 PM

I just started using Tobii eye tracker in THCOTW. I have both head tracking and eye tracking on, both at default speed. My FoV is set to 63, which is about right, and I have max yaw for the Tobii set at 70 degrees.

It takes a bit of getting acclimated to it, but once you're used to it, it's a very nice addition to the game. I wish the game had a VR option, but the Tobii is sort of the next best thing.

:Kaleun_Cheers:

Skybird

04-02-23, 04:31 AM

I only heard of it. How does it compare to TrackIR?

Oubaas

04-02-23, 12:49 PM

I only heard of it. How does it compare to TrackIR?

They're similar, but Tobii is more advanced. I own both, so I do have the ability to compare.

Tobii has less encumbrance. You don't have to wear anything on your head. It has just a small strip that you attach to the bottom edge of your monitor and plug into a USB slot. Normally, you don't even notice it. If you launch a game that uses it, a couple of red lights come on, otherwise it stays dark.

You can adjust FoV, maximum yaw angle, and speed. Everything is done by that small, unintrusive strip at the bottom edge of your monitor. There is a minimalist mounting frame that attaches with a strong adhesive backing to your monitor. The electronic strip then fits to that with magnets, so if you need to adjust it, or just want it out of the way temporarily, you can just pull it off and set it aside. But it's so small, I've never had to move it.

Tobii tracks both head movement, like TrackIR, and eye movement. You can use both, or disable one or the other. I like both enabled. The head tracking works much like TrackIR, without the head unit. The Tobii just sees you and moves with your head in-game.

With eye-tracking enabled, you can keep your head still and just glance to the side with your eyes, and in-game you get the same effect as doing it in real life.

In THCOTW, if you raise your rifle and look through your scope, it leaves you in peace and does not interfere. But when you're not aiming, it's quite helpful for just normal looking around, tracking, and stalking animals.

THCOTW has built-in Tobii support. I also play ArmA II with it, and the Tony Stewart racing games have built-in support. There are quite a few supported games. I like it. Next best thing to VR. I've retired my TrackIR 5 Pro setup.

Tobii Eye Tracker Website (https://www.tobii.com/)

:Kaleun_Cheers: