What kind of U-Boat is this?

[IonicRipper]

I was watching The Cruel Sea (1953) and towards the end this U-Boat appears:

http://i45.tinypic.com/ndpikw.jpg

I never saw this kind of U-Boat before. Can someone identify what type it is?

[captgeo]

I think that that is a RN type T boat,from the look of the diving planes ,and overall "look" of that boat, try the website list.


I found this site http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsBritishSubs.htm

If you look at the second picture from the top of page,it is almost the same boat

[Randomizer]

The shots at the end of the film are actual file scenes taken after the surrender and you can identify a number of real U-Boats. However, the RN had a hand in assisting in filming, providing technical support, the frigate that played HMS Saltash and the target submarines.

Some of the air attack footage during the Arctic convoy was actually USN file footage from the Pacific. Still one of the greatest war at sea movies of all times though.

You cannot go wrong with the book either.

[sharkbit]

You cannot go wrong with the book either.

+1 :up:

Never seen the movie though.

:)

[Sailor Steve]

Never seen the movie though.
The movie is a very good and very faithful adaptation of about 2/3 of the book. It has the advantage of being made soon enough after the war that they still had a 'Flower' to film on.

If you like the book I would recommend his big book Monsarrat At Sea.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=342819&postcount=90

[Jimbuna]

I was watching The Cruel Sea (1953) and towards the end this U-Boat appears:



I never saw this kind of U-Boat before. Can someone identify what type it is?

I think that that is a RN type T boat,from the look of the diving planes ,and overall "look" of that boat, try the website list.


I found this site http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsBritishSubs.htm

If you look at the second picture from the top of page,it is almost the same boat

She is a RN S Class

http://freespace.virgin.net/metcalf.mouldings/Sclass.htm

http://www.cyber-heritage.com/submarines_single/shipweb/sss.jpg

[captgeo]

She is a RN S Class

http://freespace.virgin.net/metcalf.mouldings/Sclass.htm

http://www.cyber-heritage.com/submarines_single/shipweb/sss.jpg

Thank you ,I knew it was an RN sub,.....and you beat me too the actual class:hmmm:.......I will be quicker next time..LOL

[IonicRipper]

That's strange considering they called it a u-boat and started shooting at it after it surfaced. Was it a movie mistake?

[Sailor Steve]

That's strange considering they called it a u-boat and started shooting at it after it surfaced. Was it a movie mistake?
The movie people probably didn't have access to a real u-boat. I saw a WW2 fighter movie a long time ago with P-47s playing themselves and P-51s playing Messerschmitts. And then there was The Hunters, about the Korean War, with F-84Fs playing MiG-15. And don't forget Top Gun, in which Northrop F-5s played modern "MiGs".

Movie folks go with what's handy.

[Cybermat47]

The movie people probably didn't have access to a real u-boat. I saw a WW2 fighter movie a long time ago with P-47s playing themselves and P-51s playing Messerschmitts. And then there was The Hunters, about the Korean War, with F-84Fs playing MiG-15. And don't forget Top Gun, in which Northrop F-5s played modern "MiGs".

Movie folks go with what's handy.

That reminds me: in the 60's war movie epic The Battle of Britain, they used Rolls-Royce engined Bf109Gs and adjusted them to look like Bf109Es, and in one scene used them to stand in for Hawker Hurricanes! They also used Rolls-Royce engined He111's. All of them were donated by the Spanish. And they made the Stukas from modern civilian planes, I believe. And in Tora! Tora! Tora!, they used American training planes from WWII as Aichi D3A1s. And the film Midway used scenes from both movies! :haha::har:

[Sailor Steve]

Close, but not quite. The 'Messerschmitts' were indeed Rolls-Royce powered, but they were Spanish-built Ha-1112s, built under license duing the 1950s.

No, they didn't stand in for Hurricanes. Though the Hurricane bore the brunt of the battle, in 1966 there were only three flyable airframes in the world. They used all three in the movie.

The bombers were also built in Spain under license, CASA 2.111s.

The sturzkampflugeugs ("Stukas") were radio-controlled models.

You might as well also complain about the Spitfires, which were mostly late-war models that weren't around in 1940.

As for Tora! Tora! Tora!, again not quite. All the planes were made from American trainers, and all were seriously modified to look very much like the originals. The Mitsubishi A6M2 'Zeroes' were built from AT-6 Texans (what the Brits call the 'Harvard'). Except for the join lines where the outer wing pieces meet the center section they are almost indistinguishable from the original.

The Aichi D3Y 'Vals' and Nakajima B5N 'Kates' were reconstucted from Vultee BT-13 trainers, so extensively that former Lt. Cmdr. Zenji Abe, who flew a Kate at Pearl Harbor, said "... it was an exact copy of the real Val in every detail."
http://www.toratoratora.com/historyrebuilt.html

So you're laughing at the most exact replicas possible at the time. As for Midway, the less said about that piece of garbage the better. Yes, they did use a scene from Battle Of Britain in the movie. They also used one in Das Boot. And the attacking British planes in that movie were indeed surplus Harvards, not modified at all.

[Cybermat47]

No, they didn't stand in for Hurricanes. Though the Hurricane bore the brunt of the battle, in 1966 there were only three flyable airframes in the world. They used all three in the movie.

Have you got a copy of the movie? Put it in, and watch the first scene with the Polish squadron. Pause it at the scene which clearly shows all five of the Hurricanes, and you'll notice that the two at the back have struts on the tail, a feature sported by only one fighter in that theater at the time... the Bf109E.

Like the 4-bladed Bf109 propeller, it's pretty difficult to notice, I only saw it on my fifth viewing.

And I wasn't laughing at the awesome replicas, I'm quite impressed. I'm just laughing at the fact that a movie used clips from both movies.

[Sailor Steve]

Have you got a copy of the movie? Put it in, and watch the first scene with the Polish squadron. Pause it at the scene which clearly shows all five of the Hurricanes, and you'll notice that the two at the back have struts on the tail, a feature sported by only one fighter in that theater at the time... the Bf109E.
I have watched it every September 15 for the last 20 years or so, with a couple of exceptions. If you'll notice, several of the "all five" Hurricanes are bombed and blown up. They built a bunch of full-size models just for that purpose, and they had to use struts to support the fiberglass stabilizers. Do you really believe they would completely rebuild a Bf-109 to look like a Hurricane?

Like the 4-bladed Bf109 propeller, it's pretty difficult to notice, I only saw it on my fifth viewing.
Then you probably haven't noticed the biggest glaring error of the movie. On several occasions fighters explode. The Spitfires invariably have the wings come off, whereas the real Spitfire's wing was a single piece. The 109s, on the other hand, have the fuselage disintigrate while the 'wing' tumbles down. The real Bf-109 had separate bolt-on wings.

And I wasn't laughing at the awesome replicas, I'm quite impressed. I'm just laughing at the fact that a movie used clips from both movies.
Fair enough. Midway has to be the worst movie of the type ever made.

[Cybermat47]

Do you really believe they would completely rebuild a Bf-109 to look like a Hurricane?

No, but I would believe that they would repaint a Ha-1112 in a RAF fighter colour scheme from 1940, send it up with 3 Hurricanes, and make sure the only time it's obvious is when they bank to attack, when it's almost square wing tips are obvious. Watch that bit, and you'll see it.
Also, the 4-bladed Bf109 propeller is seen in the background when Föhn is walking to his 109 on Adler-Tag.

[Sailor Steve]

No, but I would believe that they would repaint a Ha-1112 in a RAF fighter colour scheme from 1940, send it up with 3 Hurricanes, and make sure the only time it's obvious is when they bank to attack, when it's almost square wing tips are obvious. Watch that bit, and you'll see it.
I've just rewatched the entire opening sequence, and I don't see any struts at all.

Also, the 4-bladed Bf109 propeller is seen in the background when Föhn is walking to his 109 on Adler-Tag.
At what minute of the film is this?

[Cybermat47]

And here are some pictures:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/photodec18155426.png/

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl2:

Those are supposed to be 109s. Are you sure they aren't chasing the Hurricanes?

[Cybermat47]

I've just rewatched the entire opening sequence, and I don't see any struts at all.

Well, Steve, that's because:

Have you got a copy of the movie? Put it in, and watch the first scene with the Polish squadron.

[Cybermat47]

:rotfl2:

Those are supposed to be 109s. Are you sure they aren't chasing the Hurricanes?

Yes, I am. Watch the scene yourself: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yXf1bhEEXd0

[Sailor Steve]

Hmm. It would appear that for once you're right. I have no idea why they would use those aircraft and not the Spitfires, but it seems they actually did.

Forty-five years of watching the movie, and I never noticed that.

[Cybermat47]

I have no idea why they would use those aircraft and not the Spitfires, but it seems they actually did.

I know. It would have saved both of us a lot of time :D

[IonicRipper]

Speaking of movie "mistakes" i was just watching The Enemy Below and what the heck is up with that u-boat's interior?!? :haha:

[Cybermat47]

Speaking of movie "mistakes" i was just watching The Enemy Below and what the heck is up with that u-boat's interior?!? :haha:

Tell me about it. Great movie, though. None of the 'Americans good, Germans evil' stuff you get in most movies.

[CCIP]

While we're on the topic of Messerschmitt substitutions, what did they use in The Longest Day? It looked like a civilian Me-108 to me... :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Speaking of movie "mistakes" i was just watching The Enemy Below and what the heck is up with that u-boat's interior?!? :haha:
They didn't have a real one, and I guess no-one thought to just use an American sub, which while inaccurate would have looked a lot better than a room with some props stuck in.

While we're on the topic of Messerschmitt substitutions, what did they use in The Longest Day? It looked like a civilian Me-108 to me... :hmmm:
It is. The Bf-108 was also used as a military trainer. Hey, at least it's a Messerschmitt. :sunny:

[IonicRipper]

They didn't have a real one, and I guess no-one thought to just use an American sub, which while inaccurate would have looked a lot better than a room with some props stuck in.

They didn't need a real one. Just build a set that resembles the inside of a u-boat.

[Bilge_Rat]

re: "The Cruel Sea", I just happened to read the novel for the first time a month ago. It was a real page turner, I could not put it down and read the whole thing in about a week. It is a classic, easily the best novel I ever read about the Allied side of the Battle of the Atlantic. Highly recommended.

On the movie, you have to remember it was made in the early 50s, so no CGI. The producers had a hard time even getting hold of a Corvette. The choice was either using a real RN sub or using models.

[Jimbuna]

Thank you ,I knew it was an RN sub,.....and you beat me too the actual class:hmmm:.......I will be quicker next time..LOL

Your welcome http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Cybermat47]

On the movie, you have to remember it was made in the early 50s, so no CGI.

Ah, the good old days of stock footage and miniatures :yeah: