Egypt's Mursi defends new powers [Archive]

Jimbuna

11-23-12, 05:05 PM

Well he would....wouldn't he :)

President Mohammed Mursi has appeared before supporters in Cairo to defend a new decree that grants him sweeping powers.
He told them he was leading Egypt on a path to "freedom and democracy" and was the guardian of stability.
He was speaking as thousands of opponents gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square and offices of the president's party were attacked in several cities.
The decree says presidential decisions cannot be revoked by any authority.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20458148

eddie

11-23-12, 05:16 PM

I've been reading that the reason he put out these new decrees was that there is a massive logjam with the people who are deciding what the new constitution should be. The first draft was thrown out by some court and they can't come together on a new one. If and when they get this thing straightened out, I guess they can have their elections for their new gov't. He was hoping this would get them to get the new constitution problem solved, but its backfiring on him big time!

Like he would give up his new powers anyway.

yubba

11-23-12, 05:41 PM

President Mohammed Mursi has appeared before supporters in Cairo to defend a new decree that grants him sweeping powers.
He told them he was leading Egypt on a path to "freedom and democracy" and was the guardian of stability. That's what they all say,, I wonder if Santa will say the same thing when he is sworn in or will he have his fingers crossed behind his back,, like he did the last time....

Sailor Steve

11-23-12, 06:01 PM

Yubba, you're just a sore loser, and your favorite food seems to be sour grapes. :O:

Skybird

11-23-12, 06:16 PM

By the way Mursi has flanked the military, high court, justice and political opponents, he effectively now is more powerful than Mubarak ever was.

But he put all the magic words into just one sentence: democracy, freedom, stability, justice. Therefore, Western politicians will believe it.

LINK: Analysis Cairo Declaration (http://sheikyermami.com/2009/09/21/the-cairo-declaration-of-human-rights-under-sharia/)

LINK: Original Text Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam (http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree/cairodeclaration.html)

LINK: Original Text Universal declaration of Human Rights (http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml)

Jimbuna

11-23-12, 06:38 PM

Skybird

11-23-12, 06:55 PM

I somehow doubt it :nope:
The US already have promised him a raise in military aid, Germany still wants to deliver him submarines (which leaves Israel not happy at all), and EU ministers still try to smear honey around his mouth and make him - and even Hamas - socially acceptable.

They have ignored that Erdoghan is a fundamentalist (just see how he balked again just days ago). They will also ignore that Mursi is a Muslim Brother, and a known ultraconservative in that club. They are on their way to "forget" that the opposition in Syria is dominated by fundamentalists, and since long has lost its innocence, like the Syrian army as well.

Jimbuna

11-23-12, 06:57 PM

You may well be right but only time will tell....governments will carry out actions that suit their current needs, that pattern/habit will never change.

yubba

11-23-12, 07:22 PM

Yubba, you're just a sore loser, and your favorite food seems to be sour grapes. :O:
Why, yes I am, and a matter of fact I do like sour grapes,, but I won't be the one dissappointed when Santa can't deliver the goods,, didn't you know we are broke, busted, like out of money and all this guy ran on was tax the rich, tell me how is that going to create jobs or maybe we can have a Twinkie Asset Recovery Program,, TARP get it . When the cuts come you intitle-ist will make the goins on in Greece look like a fart in a hurricane. Oh by the way we are sitting on so much energy waiting to be tapped here in the United States, that it will make every american life lost in the middle east over oil pointless, hows that for sour grapes...And I am very supprised that NBC news did report the news as accurately as they could about Egypt calling him a would be pharoah heck we voted for Santa what's next...oh maybe the easter bunny will be the sec of state.

Madox58

11-23-12, 07:43 PM

Predicitions say the U.S could be energy independent soon.
They also say that will create many jobs.
:har:

Poke me in the butt if I ain't heard THAT kind of crap before!!
Seems defending new powers came about around 911 here in the States.
(Same people that poke and prod kids at airports!)

Come on December 21st!!
I hope it all falls down like a sand castle in a high tide!

yubba

11-23-12, 08:21 PM

Hey, going by what my brother is telling me that works on the fracking gas wells,, the [ Mar sell is ] shale field encompasses Ohio, West Virginia mostly known as east Ohio, Virginia, Pennmexico, New York, Vermont , Mass, Conn and some other states I can't spell enough gas to heat power america for a hundred years, gasoline here in New York State 4 bucks., so why are you folks so afraid of the truth, or are you afraid of alittle hard work, afraid of alittle risk, want the government to wipe your butt and tuck you in, and when you get all fat and soft it will be all taken away from you, and how do I know this, it's all in those history books the the government doesn't want your kids to read some where they are teaching our kids that the Boston tea party was a terrorist attack and for weeks Santa couldn't say terrorism after Bengazi now could he... Santa won't lie would he ??????????

Takeda Shingen

11-23-12, 08:26 PM

Hey, going by what my brother is telling me that works on the fracking gas wells,, the [ Mar sell is ] shale field encompasses Ohio, West Virginia mostly known as east Ohio, Virginia, Pennmexico, New York, Vermont , Mass, Conn and some other states I can't spell, so why are you folks so afraid of the truth, or are you afraid of alittle hard work, afraid of alittle risk, want the government to wipe your butt and tuck you in, and when you get all fat and soft it will be all taken away from you, and how do I know this, it's all in those history books the the government doesn't want your kids to read some where they are teaching our kids that the Boston tea party was a terrorist attack and for weeks Santa couldn't say terrorism after Bengazi now could he... Santa won't lie would he ??????????

Sounds like you're still mad that Hurricane Sandy didn't kill more people. It may also be exacerbated by the fact that America has soundly rejected your political ideology. If your party continues with your ideology, it will no longer be viable. The writing is on the wall, yubba. You are a thing of the past. The American people have spoken.

Sailor Steve

11-23-12, 08:41 PM

didn't you know we are broke, busted, like out of money and all this guy ran on was tax the rich,
Yes, I did know that. It's been that way for a long time, and through several administrations of both persuasions.

tell me how is that going to create jobs or maybe we can have a Twinkie Asset Recovery Program,, TARP get it .
It's not. You see, I agree with you in principle. The real complaint the Left has isn't that the rich need to pay more taxes, but that the very rich aren't really doing much to help and they have the Republicans in their pockets. While I don't like unions, you have to remember that they were created because the very rich are greedy and wanted even more, and they got fat off the backs of the poor and there was no one who could stop them. The Left sees the Right as wanting to bring back those days, and I can't say they're entirely wrong. Can you?

Most of the rational people on this forum don't see much difference between the Left and the Right. Both want to screw us one way or another, and the only difference seems to be in how. Those of you who are very hard one-or-the-other seem to be more politically motivated than actually caring about what's happening or is going to happen, for all your attempts to make it look like good versus evil. The general populace seems to feel the same, prefering in this case the devil they know to the devil they don't.

I can't comment on the rest of your post because it didn't make much sense.

Buddahaid

11-23-12, 09:54 PM

Is it just me, or is it mostly true that the more extreme Republican types always have to find cute demeaning names for Democratic politicians. I can't think of any opposite examples now. I mean Bush was just Bush, or at worst Dubbya. :hmmm:

soopaman2

11-23-12, 10:08 PM

Sounds like you're still mad that Hurricane Sandy didn't kill more people. It may also be exacerbated by the fact that America has soundly rejected your political ideology. If your party continues with your ideology, it will no longer be viable. The writing is on the wall, yubba. You are a thing of the past. The American people have spoken.

This is a huge point. Not so much the Sandy thing, but the point on a huge majority of Americans rejecting the Republican mantras.

I am being non partisan when I say this, only honest.

But to a good majority Republicans are religious lunatics, who wish total control on the populace. They want to legislate their religious morality on people who believe in freedom of and "from" religion.

If I want to be atheist, I want that right, I do not need my laws based on a book some invisible spook in the sky supposedly wrote.

Maybe if Republicans didn't soapbox so much, and try to appeal to the least common denominator, they would have a chance.

I miss Bush Jr. Last real republican we had.

Obama won overwhelmingly, deal with it, and work with him...For Americas sake, for all of us.

Armistead

11-23-12, 10:22 PM

The problem with the GOP is to control congress they have to have a platform pleasing to the bible belt and another moderate platform that can win the presidency... The only hope they have is to become the party of Hispanics.

Good luck.....

soopaman2

11-23-12, 10:29 PM

Even Dubya was tolerant to those outside of his conservative/Christian beliefs.

He did not try to legislate womens vaginas.

He still had the appeal and support of the "bible Belters",
He even had mine, a typical northeastern liberal.

Chris Christie 2016, a bonafide moderate republican, who is not afraid to tell special interest "where to go"

His plastering of the NJEA, and his attempt as property tax reform says enough for me.

He's my Governor, and is doing an awesome job here in NJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITbQXZcle5c
He was funny as hell on SNL too...

August

11-23-12, 10:45 PM

Obama won overwhelmingly, deal with it, and work with him...For Americas sake, for all of us.

That reminds me of a similar call for bipartisanship during Bush Jr's presidency. It was met with a lot of "He's not my president" from the Democrats and a lot of stonewalling on everything and anything Bush tried to do. Well turnabout is fair play. Don't expect much if any cooperation now that the shoe is on the other foot.

The Obama administration is already calling for yet another increase in the debt limit. That is not the direction we're supposed to be going here.

For Americas sake our Federal government has to stop spending money that we don't have before it destroys us. If gridlock and partisan wrangling works towards that goal then so be it sez I.

Oh and BTW 53/47% is not "overwhelmingly". If this were a football game your president would have won by a field goal...

yubba

11-23-12, 10:47 PM

Sounds like you're still mad that Hurricane Sandy didn't kill more people. It may also be exacerbated by the fact that America has soundly rejected your political ideology. If your party continues with your ideology, it will no longer be viable. The writing is on the wall, yubba. You are a thing of the past. The American people have spoken.
Yes the people have spoken,,and 47 percent isn't soundly, you re elected a man that left americans to die and you'll get the government you deserve a whole lot of the same,, that has been going on more for than a decade now,, more waste, more regulation , more corruption, and more dependacy,, yes I might be a thing of the past, but you are no glimmer of hope for the future, you have blown your childrens children futures on your folly and yes since I'm a creature of the past do tell us how you intend to balance the budget and put 23 million people back to work and get 47 million people off of foodstamps...I don't think the real Santa Claus could even do that ..we got eight days till the next jobs report and the another 30 to the fiscal cliff gee why didn't we hear more about this in the campaign????????????????? Oh by the way I don't like being talked down to like I'm some kind of subserviant I will never pay tribute to your entitleist a__. And the consitution still stands and we will gig you when you step out of the comfines of and you'll have a hard time getting over that.

soopaman2

11-23-12, 10:51 PM

That reminds me of a similar call for bipartisanship during Bush Jr's presidency. It was met with a lot of "He's not my president" from the Democrats and a lot of stonewalling on everything and anything Bush tried to do. Well turnabout is fair play. Don't expect much if any cooperation now that the shoe is on the other foot.

The Obama administration is already calling for yet another increase in the debt limit. That is not the direction we're supposed to be going here.

For Americas sake our Federal government has to stop spending money that we don't have before it destroys us. If gridlock and partisan wrangling works towards that goal then so be it sez I.

I voted for Bush Jr twice.

I even admired him greatly in the post you chopped up. But ya hate that filthy negro libby huh? Gimme dem ribs you! *nudge nudge* Screw America, your beliefs trump all...!!!!1lol!!1one (Edit: I suck, bad joke, smoke me at will on that line, and not quote the rest)

Edit: Still love ya August! (in a platonic, manly way)

Takeda Shingen

11-23-12, 10:52 PM

Yes the people have spoken,,and 47 percent isn't soundly.

He won 50%. Get your numbers right.

you re elected a man that left americans to die and you'll get the government you deserve a whole lot of the same,, that has been going on more for than a decade now,, more waste, more regulation , more corruption, and more dependacy,,

Sour grapes.

yes I might be a thing of the past,

One can hope.

but you are no glimmer of hope for the future,

I am not in office, nor have I offered any of my views here.

you have blown your childrens children futures

You mean my children that you wish had died a few weeks ago?

on your folly and yes since I'm a creature of the past do tell us how you intend to balance the budget and put 23 million people back to work and get 47 million people off of foodstamps...I don't think the real Santa Claus could even do that ..

More sour grapes. Get over it. Get over yourself.

Edit:

But ya hate that filthy negro libby huh?

Woah. August doesn't need me to fight his battles, but he is no racist. He never said nor implied anything of the sort. Not cool.

soopaman2

11-23-12, 11:06 PM

Woah. August doesn't need me to fight his battles, but he is no racist. He never said nor implied anything of the sort. Not cool.

Sorry, not what I was implying. I think I was seeing Yubba as I replied.

Right is right, I messed up, sorry.

Sorry August. *humble face*

Truly sorry. I deserve whatever beating you give me.

Thank you Takeda.:)

(can I be anymore pathetic, and use the word sorry anymore? :P)

Sailor Steve

11-23-12, 11:08 PM

Yubba, no one expects you to be a great musician, play a symphony or even a decent melody, but that one note you keep blowing over and over is getting awfully sour.

"Santa Claus?" Really, can't you at least have a halfway-decent conversation?

August

11-23-12, 11:29 PM

Sorry August. *humble face*

I don't hate Obama because he's black. I hate him because he's got dumbo ears. :yep:

soopaman2

11-23-12, 11:39 PM

I don't hate Obama because he's black. I hate him because he's got dumbo ears. :yep:

Fair enough, he really should be able to fly with those silly looking things.:D

Skybird

11-24-12, 07:37 AM

Wowh, I missed that Egypt had become an American state meanwhile...

Jimbuna

11-24-12, 08:10 AM

Egypt judges condemn Mursi move but somehow I don't think he'll listen or lose too much sleep over it.

Egypt's top judges have accused President Mohammed Mursi of staging an "unprecedented attack" on the judiciary.
The president passed a decree earlier this week granting himself extensive new powers.
It includes a bar on any court dissolving the constituent assembly, which is drawing up a new constitution.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20476693

August

11-24-12, 10:42 AM

Get ready for another Arab Spring in Cairo next year because I think the Muslim Brotherhood have showed their cards to the Egyptian people too soon.

Buddahaid

11-24-12, 10:56 AM

Those cards have been on the table since before WW2 and they have nothing new to offer. They sided with the Axis to kick out the British and gain control of the canal during WW2. Their loyalties are for an independent islamic state at all costs.

Skybird

11-24-12, 08:07 PM

Get ready for another Arab Spring in Cairo next year because I think the Muslim Brotherhood have showed their cards to the Egyptian people too soon.
The Egyptian people ARE orthodox Islamic, and many are fundamentalist for sure. The Muslim Brotherhood had not to found its legions and boost its numbers after Mubarak fell. They just had to organise them and give themselves a party program. Of all oppositions to Mubarak they were the first after his fall who came out of the starting blocks. And they surprised even me by how fast they were ready.

Only a part of those who confronted Mubarak, are confronting the Muslim Brotherhood now. So, Mursi did not show up suddenly with any new cards, as you put it. He just played them out. Maybe a bit too quick, wanting to make hay while the sun was shining after the Gaza war, and misreading american position to Egypt during and after Gaza, with aid and compliments and all that. He is not politically experienced, he is a religious fundamentalist only so far.

Even if him/the MB now makes a step backward, it would be only to buy time. They then will try again later. The end goal is a state based on Shariah law. Something that a huge majority of Egyptians want, too: the state based on Shariah.

Tribesman

11-25-12, 02:51 AM

The Egyptian people ARE orthodox Islamic
Skybull with a CAPSLOCK:har::har::har::har::har:

Even if him/the MB now makes a step backward, it would be only to buy time. They then will try again later. The end goal is a state based on Shariah law. Something that a huge majority of Egyptians want, too: the state based on Shariah.
If Egyptians are "orthodox Islamic" how comes its only a majority?
If they want a state based on sharia then why did they object to that last Egyptian tinpot dictator Sky loves who made sharia the law ?:doh:

Jimbuna

11-25-12, 06:14 AM

The plot thickens.

STEED

11-25-12, 11:06 AM

I heard on the news around 40% of the population can not read!

Quote from the news..
They vote out a fascist army and put fascist Muslims in charge!

And now they are angry!

Jimbuna

11-25-12, 03:25 PM

Oh, it's only a temporary measure so there is nothing to worry about :)

The office of Egyptian President Mohammed Mursi has said that the decree giving him sweeping new powers is temporary and not intended to concentrate power in his hands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20488986

Jimbuna

11-26-12, 09:33 AM

He's been gracious enough to meet the judges to try and agree a compromise :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20491976

Skybird

11-28-12, 08:48 AM

An Egyptian court has sentenced seven Christians (absent) to death for participating in that movie on Muhammad.

That's the same Egypt the West seems to be eager to defend and support and grow strong. Why? So that they can kill people in destruction of free speech?

German link (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/sieben-christen-in-aegypten-zum-tode-verurteilt-a-869787.html) (will soon be in English news, too, I assume)

Tribesman

11-28-12, 09:22 AM

An Egyptian court has sentenced seven Christians (absent) to death for participating in that movie on Muhammad.

List the actual laws which carry the death penalty.
If the specific capital offence doesn't exist then people cannot have been sentenced to death for it:yep:
Soooooo........
More Skybull:har::har::har::har::har:

Jimbuna

11-28-12, 11:57 AM

So is the death penalty a real life and non law breaking option? :hmmm:

Tribesman

11-28-12, 12:07 PM

So is the death penalty a real life and non law breaking option? :hmmm:
Not on that reported charge.
However given the individuals and the organisations they link to they could face death for terrorism related offences. Or considering that they claimed to be working for Israel they could perhaps face death for treason.

Jimbuna

11-28-12, 12:09 PM

Not on that reported charge.
However given the individuals and the organisations they link to they could face death for terrorism related offences. Or considering that they claimed to be working for Israel they could perhaps face death for treason.

Rgr that.

Skybird

11-28-12, 04:14 PM

So is the death penalty a real life and non law breaking option? :hmmm:
Not sure I understand what you ask there. But it is a real event. The Christians sentenced participated in any role or function in that movie in Muhammad, for which they got accused of offending Islam and Muhammad. This earned them the death penalty in accordance with Sharia law.

Jimbuna

11-28-12, 04:21 PM

Not sure I understand what you ask there. But it is a real event. The Christians sentenced participated in any role or function in that movie in Muhammad, for which they got accused of offending Islam and Muhammad. This earned them the death penalty in accordance with Sharia law.

I believe Tribesman may have already answered but I must admit to being a little intrigued as to how some decision makers interpret their own laws...according to the prevailing tide of opinion.

Skybird

11-28-12, 04:35 PM

Beyond that, the MB-dominated council that is to form a new constitution has threatened to release its draft earlier than planned, maybe even already Friday or next week. This is obviously a move planned by Mursi and the MB in order to pull the teeth of the current demonstrations, because Mursi seems to act by the intention to have people accept either the new - Shariah-designed - constitution, or his decrees giving Mursi allmighty powers to establish that constitution and an according state founded on Shariah law - which is what the MB always wanted. He may calculate on people being tired of constant conflicts and riots and demonstrations.

Clever move.

-----

Meanwhile, the EU is split over the Palestinian bid to the UN. France and Spain have announced that it will vote for it, UK considers to stay absent in the voting, and Germany will vote against it. France, which is a bit small and impotent since WWII but still is driven by megalomaniac dreams of glory and being huge, always has been anti-Israel more or less openly, it also wants to collect sympathy points in the Arab-Mslim world because it still dreams of a Mediterranean union with Northafrican states and of course under French dominanbce and leadership. Plus France likes to piss at America's leg when there is opportunity to do so. What drives the Spaniards I have no clue, I know close to nothing about the poltical landscape of Spain. But the more left leaning their government is the more that would explain, since the left is not less anti-semitic and anti-Israelic than the extreme right and Nazis.

I think Abbas pushes it now since the Israelis have almost ignored him in past months, being frustrated with his demand to be given all he wants in negotiations (pre-67 borders, full right of moving into Israel, splitting Jerusalem) but not giving anything, and are focussing on Hamas and trying to split it from their Iranian financiers. Which ac tually may work to some degree, because due to logistic reasons Egypt is more important for Hamas than Iran. Suing Israel at the UN courts once the Palestinian Arabs got access to them, seems to be Abbas' intention.

But I think Israel will turn from cold to icy regarding Abbas. Palestinians seem to have a talent for making bad decisions and choices and always lining up with the wrong allies. They illustrate their art since many decades, and they never seem to miss. :haha:

That the Palestinians will get at the UN what they want on Friday, is widely seen as a certainty. Although the description of that status is a braindead excercise in idiocy - only politicians can come up with such absurd constructions. The status the Palestinians aim for should be deleted as a category, like the status of the Vatican at the UN as well.

Tribesman

11-28-12, 04:37 PM

This earned them the death penalty in accordance with Sharia law.
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:the price of ignorance
As an added bonus the terrorist supporters the film makers can be linked to just happen to go back to Skybirds "scholarly" "christian" link where he moaned about black people ruining soccer.

Jimbuna

11-28-12, 05:03 PM

Getting a little complex people :hmmm:

Skybird

11-28-12, 05:33 PM

Getting a little complex people :hmmm:
Hm?

eddie

11-28-12, 06:14 PM

Its been reported over here too, but it is symbolic gesture , since all the defendants live here in the States.

http://news.msn.com/world/egypt-court-sentences-8-to-death-over-prophet-film

I suppose some nutjob will declare a Fatwah, and we'll be looking out for Egyptian hit men.

Tribesman

11-29-12, 03:30 AM

Getting a little complex people :hmmm:
Yes, but complex doesn't make a simple handy headine does it.

Jimbuna

11-29-12, 05:13 AM

That is true...and we are in GT :doh:

Tribesman

11-29-12, 06:19 AM

That is true...and we are in GT
GT doesn't excuse the media though does it, and very few are even mentioning the real details.
Put it this way. If I made a cartoon about Phil the greek enjoying his german heritage in exile by buggering the queens corgis while I associated with the dumb wannabe fenians who drink in Richardsons and called for the independance of "county" Kilburn would it be a charge of animal cruelty that could get me extradited to London or would it be terrorism/sedition related?

Skybird

11-29-12, 07:47 PM

The MB council - its not worth to call it the Constitution Council with all opposition nhaving left it in protest - has whipped through practically all paragraphs of it extremely fundamentalistically oriented program.

I also do not bet that those protesters now on the Tahir represent a dominant or even majority part of the general population. I do not know for sure about Egypt, but if I compare it to Turkey which I know a little bit, the the supporters of the MB for the most probably do not live in the urban centres, but in rural places and the countryside, represernting the poorer and unedcated of the general population, and they for sure form the majority. It has been like this with the AKP in Turkey - the roots of the AKP lie in the rural places, the poor villages, in the majority of simple people. Considering the general population in Egypt, it is fundamentalistically oriented by ,majority, and probably this majority indeed will like and accept the constitution, and the dominant principle ruling of Shariah.

But that is not what Western medias want to report, so they make a big thing of the crowd on the Tahir. Like they hopelessly blow up the importance and numerical size of the opposition to Putinism in Russia, too. As I see it, most Russians like the return to the old principles of strong state and strong Tsars. Most Turks like and support the return to old fundamentalist principles. Most Egyptians embrace Sharia and the MB-driven new constitution.

Another wake-up call for the West. Just that it will not wake up.

Tribesman

11-30-12, 04:11 AM

The MB council - its not worth to call it the Constitution Council with all opposition nhaving left it in protest -
Not all opposition parties left.

I do not know for sure about Egypt, but if I compare it to Turkey which I know a little bit, the the supporters of the MB for the most probably do not live in the urban centres, but in rural places and the countryside, represernting the poorer and unedcated of the general population,.

You certainly don't know
Al-nour is the rural islamist party:doh:

and they for sure form the majority
27% wasn't it:yep:

Considering the general population in Egypt, it is fundamentalistically oriented by ,majority,
errrr.... the coilition including muslim christian and secular parties standing against the dictator era candidate got 51% in the run off didn't they.:yep:

and probably this majority indeed will like and accept the constitution, and the dominant principle ruling of Shariah.

You mean article 2 of the new proposed constition which is exactly the same as article 2 of the old constitution and remained unchanged despite an attempt by Al-nour to change two words:hmmm:

A whole pile of Skybull eh:rotfl2:

Jimbuna

12-01-12, 09:33 AM

I suppose it was inevitable the other side would eventually rally their supporters.

Islamist backers of Egypt's President Mohammed Morsi are holding mass rallies to support his sweeping new powers and the drafting of a constitution.
The demonstrations in Cairo come after days of rival protests by supporters and opponents of the president.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20564038

Skybird

12-01-12, 07:57 PM

A public referendum should be held on the constitution, on Decembre 15th. Which means the thing is through. I have no doubt that it will be passed by a clear majority.

eddie

12-07-12, 01:40 AM

Protests continue in Egypt. Morsi called out the Army to help control the situation, reading another article about this was that it was Egypts Republican Guard who responded to the problem. Brought in a few tanks and APC's. This page has a pic of one of the RG tanks, and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that an old M60?

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2012/1206/Tanks-deploy-to-Egypt-s-presidential-palace-amid-lull-in-deadly-protests

August

12-07-12, 08:30 AM

Jimbuna

12-07-12, 10:51 AM

eddie

12-07-12, 01:11 PM

I am impressed by the fact that this tank is still in use today! What I'm not impressed with now, is that back in 1984, we gave the Egyptians permission to build a factory that produces M1 Abrams. Seriously!?!:doh:

Saw that mentioned on this page, scroll down to read it, its just past the pic that shows the rank insignias used in their army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Army

Tribesman

12-08-12, 03:07 AM

What I'm not impressed with now, is that back in 1984, we gave the Egyptians permission to build a factory that produces M1 Abrams. Seriously!?!:doh:

The peace deal means you give them $1.3billion every year for their military to spend on US weapons.
Buying a licence to produce the tanks themselves counts as spending your dollars on US weapons.

eddie

12-08-12, 07:30 PM

Looks like Morsi has backed down, for now anyway. I wonder what impact, if any, the Military had on his decision?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/08/15776159-egypts-morsi-annuls-orders-giving-him-sweeping-powers-but-keeps-dec-15-constitution-vote?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

Oberon

12-08-12, 07:37 PM

Could be to take the heat off the referendum. :hmmm:

Skybird

12-08-12, 08:36 PM

The important thing for the MB is not Mursi's powers, but the constitution. They whipped through the draft in their internal committee and Mursi on their behalf then announced the referendum so soon with probably right this calculation on mind.

If not sufficient people from the rural place vote on it, then only it is in danger. Else the constitution will go through. I expect the MB to activate their followers on that day, and by 90% am certain the constitution passes. Everything else would be a very big surprise.

I am just amazed that the military plays so soft so far and does not wipe Mursi and the MBs away. Probably Washington in the background promising them sugar and threatening them they whip if they do not play "democratically". The Americans made the same mistake in Turkey, together with the Europeans.

"Democracy is like a train. We shall get off when we arrive at the station we want." - Fundamentalists have learned to to make best use of it to bypass any Western criticism and alarm. The West - just doesn't get it. It just doesn't get it.

Tribesman

12-09-12, 04:00 AM

They whipped through the draft in their internal committee and Mursi on their behalf then announced the referendum so soon with probably right this calculation on mind.

Wow, I wonder what the approved timeframe for a vote on the constitution was.:rotfl2:

If not sufficient people from the rural place vote on it, then only it is in danger.
Would those be the rural people who failed to get the words of article 2 changed:hmmm:

I am just amazed that the military plays so soft so far and does not wipe Mursi and the MBs away.
Errrrrr...if it passes the constitution strips Morsi of all his interim powers:know:

Could be to take the heat off the referendum. :hmmm:
More likely its to stop the military stepping in and taking over the country as a military dictatorship again

Jimbuna

12-09-12, 09:06 AM

I think the ultimate balance of power still lies with the army and recent reports stating the elite republican guards have deployed around the palace may well be their way of sending a message to Mursi that they are no longer prepared to be sidelined on the political chaos within the country.

Jimbuna

12-09-12, 05:11 PM

Well no surprises here then:

Egypt's opposition has rejected an attempt by President Mohammed Morsi to end an increasingly bitter face-off.
Mr Morsi annulled a decree that gave him huge powers, but vowed that a vote on a new constitution would go ahead.
Opposition leaders rejected the move and called for protests on Tuesday. Later, Islamist groups said they would hold counter demonstrations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20659233

eddie

12-09-12, 05:56 PM

I wonder how long it will be before the Army has had enough of this nonsense?

Tribesman

12-09-12, 06:01 PM

I wonder how long it will be before the Army has had enough of this nonsense?
Did you really think the army was ever going to give up power?

12-09-12, 06:51 PM

Did you really think the army was ever going to give up power?

Should be funny that army seems like the pragmatic guys in all the mess in there.:doh:

So who is your favourite team?:haha:

eddie

12-09-12, 06:53 PM

Not really. I think they take more of a passive role if the Govt runs smoothly, but who has seen that happening over there lately.

Cybermat47

12-09-12, 06:55 PM

I don't think I'll be going to Egypt any time soon...

eddie

12-09-12, 09:04 PM

Take a look at the first pic on this page. It shows Egyptian troops during one of the protests. My question, where do they get there helmets? At a surplus store,lol

http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/09/15797981-protests-in-egypt-continue-despite-morsis-concession?lite

Jimbuna

12-10-12, 05:46 AM

Did you really think the army was ever going to give up power?

Check out the Military section near the bottom....they even have the upper hand outside of their military fiefdoms:

Egypt: Who holds the power?

The military's influence extends far beyond its own institutions and businesses. The majority of provincial governors are retired army officers and many of the big civilian institutions and public sector corporations are run by former generals, including the three main land-developing authorities. The military is also involved in major infrastructure projects.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18779934

Jimbuna

12-10-12, 06:20 AM

HunterICX

12-10-12, 06:41 AM

Just heard it on the Radio...
I'm fearing this is the crap and the fan is already spinning. :-?

HunterICX

Tribesman

12-10-12, 08:45 AM

The army have been given arrest powers but just "up to the announcement of the results from the referendum".......looks like a bit of a dangerous gamble to me.

Thats strange, I thought the army had already declared on Friday that it was taking those police powers itself, even stranger since those powers had been ruled illegal and unconstitutional for the military to take.
So does this mean that Morsi is just a puppet of the military all along and does it explain why the MB were so shy of all the protests which supposedly ended the military dictatorship?

12-10-12, 10:55 AM

The army have been given arrest powers but just "up to the announcement of the results from the referendum".......looks like a bit of a dangerous gamble to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20661758
Maybe...but the thing is that the army might be cooperating with Mursi just to keep the whole place together while being quite neutral on this stance.
Other ways the country might just collapse.
So far Mursi is under enough pressure to reconsider his goals.

So it all might be iluminati conspiracy or claver way for the democratic system to play out while keeping the MB from gaining total power with minimal violence from both sides or civil war.
Egypt is in deep trouble no matter what and we shell see how it plays out