View Full Version : GO Israel......Iron Dome
Red Brow
11-17-12, 11:46 AM
Israel rocks and Iron Dome will sell. More succinct.
Tribesman
11-17-12, 11:54 AM
What?
Betonov
11-17-12, 11:57 AM
What?
Go easy on him, he's new
Tchocky
11-17-12, 12:10 PM
What?
:D:D
geetrue
11-17-12, 12:22 PM
could this be a con-job? :yep:
Hottentot
11-17-12, 12:23 PM
What?
Words.
Tribesman
11-17-12, 12:29 PM
Words.
Pictures
Hottentot
11-17-12, 12:31 PM
Pictures
OK, here's a puppy.
http://i.imgur.com/s9Qxn.jpg
TLAM Strike
11-17-12, 01:18 PM
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1545/129086149195715532.jpg
Jimbuna
11-17-12, 02:54 PM
Israel rocks!
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=292277
And my fearless leaders still love Israel (by hook or by crook) as both houses of Congress still support Israel. Globalism with out the USA is a dead issue. The USA supports Israel, and so, Globalism and Zionism still MESH. No USA, no Globalism. Globalism is USA and USA is Globalism. Zionism supported by USA, USA not supported by Zionism, but is rather acknowledged. Congressmen supported by Zionism. GO ISRAEL!
Congress goes for the butter on the toast. That is how it has been done since burnt brick stacked up into cities.
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/11/16/3112036/senate-resolution-backs-israel-actions-in-gaza
Israel is currently exercising its right to protect itself as can any other nation in a similar situation.
I did wonder how Iron Dome would hold up in a real missile scenario. I guess this is the warm up exercise before the Iran job. Seems to be doing a good job so far, and they have the old Patriot system as back up, and IIRC it will intercept at higher altitudes than Iron Dome, so if Iranian MRBMs come in then Patriot can have a shot at them.
But for what it was designed for, intercepting rockets from Gaza, it's been doing very well. Back in March when the last barrage of rockets came over from Gaza Iron Dome got 56 kills out of 71 attempts. That's a good kill ratio.
It's also smart that it calculates the ballistic arc of a weapon and then ignores missiles that aren't going to hit populated areas so it doesn't suffer target overload.
It's an impressive system, kudos to the Israeli and American designers. :yep:
Jimbuna
11-17-12, 03:33 PM
I did wonder how Iron Dome would hold up in a real missile scenario. I guess this is the warm up exercise before the Iran job. Seems to be doing a good job so far, and they have the old Patriot system as back up, and IIRC it will intercept at higher altitudes than Iron Dome, so if Iranian MRBMs come in then Patriot can have a shot at them.
But for what it was designed for, intercepting rockets from Gaza, it's been doing very well. Back in March when the last barrage of rockets came over from Gaza Iron Dome got 56 kills out of 71 attempts. That's a good kill ratio.
It's also smart that it calculates the ballistic arc of a weapon and then ignores missiles that aren't going to hit populated areas so it doesn't suffer target overload.
It's an impressive system, kudos to the Israeli and American designers. :yep:
Rgr that....the system is fairing up very well and must be building confidence in government circles around its potential capabilities should a more serious threat arise.
Tribesman
11-17-12, 04:13 PM
I did wonder how Iron Dome would hold up in a real missile scenario.
I wonder how the budget will hold up at 35 grand a shot?
AVGWarhawk
11-17-12, 04:29 PM
I like puppies.
I wonder how the budget will hold up at 35 grand a shot?
It's probably cheaper to fire 35 grand than repair the damage of the missile hitting the target, and the political damage of people getting killed.
Platapus
11-17-12, 04:47 PM
How much you wanna bet that the money will come from the US?
Catfish
11-17-12, 04:59 PM
Maybe Redbrow is from Haganah Watch ? :hmm2:
Apart from that Germany is not so happy that the Gaza government buildings have been destroyed, after they have financed the building of the same in the last years.
Apart from that Mr Red Brow (in austrian language): 'Geh scheissen'
Thanks,
Catfish
Red Brow
11-17-12, 05:20 PM
That's ok. I'll be nice. At least nicer.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/17/war-looms-over-gaza-as-signs-mount-possible-israeli-invasion/
"The White House says it believes Israel "has the right to defend itself" against attack and that the Israelis will make their own decisions about their "military tactics and operations."
That's nice. Other nations will be glad to hear this.
Except for all the victims and their families this whole episode may come off as a kind of fellowship of foes. Hamas will be reaffirmed in Gaza. Egypt will have made its political stand. Benjamin will show that he is more than just a stand up comic at the UN, the American politicos will have fresh standing with Israel, and the Israeli military industrial complex will have 'Iron Dome' to sell to many countries that will be interested.
....lolz :har:
Weather engendering in processes....:o
How much you wanna bet that the money will come from the US?
About 35 grand.:D
Stealhead
11-17-12, 06:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk
Two men enter one man leaves.Two men enter one man leaves!!
I'd pay 35 grand for that.
Oh wait it is Iron Dome not Thunderdome sorry.
Takeda Shingen
11-17-12, 06:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk
Two men enter one man leaves.Two men enter one man leaves!!
Oh wait it is Iron Dome not Thunderdome sorry.
That was my first thought too.
Some of you guys take me too seriously
You know, somehow I don't think they are.
Stealhead
11-17-12, 06:43 PM
Well when globalism wins I will be Mad Max so its all good.
Well when globalism wins I will be Mad Max so its all good.
Do you have one of these?
http://www.madmaxmovies.com/mad-max-interceptor/mad-max-interceptor-you-yangs.jpg
Stealhead
11-17-12, 07:02 PM
Do you have one of these?
http://www.madmaxmovies.com/mad-max-interceptor/mad-max-interceptor-you-yangs.jpg
Not an Aussie Falcon but it had a 351 V8.You could kit bash a early 70's American Ford to look like a Aussie Falcon I recon as there are plenty of 351s around.
Aussie based GMs have not done well in the US look up the GTO sold in the 2000's in the US that was a Holden Morano re badged as a Pontiac it did not sell well.
geetrue
11-17-12, 08:26 PM
What little I saw was on CNN about Iron Dome, but it looked impressive.
What about the parts of the missile exploding in the air?
would or could that hurt someone on the ground?
What little I saw was on CNN about Iron Dome, but it looked impressive.
What about the parts of the missile exploding in the air?
would or could that hurt someone on the ground?
Most likely, yes. Shrapnel is always going to be a problem in any air war, it certainly was during the Blitz, and I don't think that's going to change any time soon. However, generally in an air raid people are indoors or in shelter, so the shrapnel shouldn't hurt them as (in theory) there shouldn't be much bigger than a foot falling out of the sky, it'll damage roofs and potentially hurt anyone out doors, but it's better than the missile hitting the ground.
geetrue
11-17-12, 09:04 PM
Perhaps it is Iran that is in a hurry to stop Israel from striking their nuclear weapons grade producing sites first with money and arms to Hamas?
It is possible of course ... here's an almost four year old question along the same lines, which is kind of odd in talking about long range missiles.
Confirmed: Hamas Wants To Use WMDs Against Israel, Trigger Full-Blown Regional War (http://www.mererhetoric.com/2009/01/03/confirmed-hamas-wants-to-use-wmds-against-israel-trigger-full-blown-regional-war/)
This needs to be read against the backdrop of Hamas’s continuing threats to use long-range rockets (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3647489,00.html). Would Hamas be willing to see Israel attacked with unconventional weapons even if it means lighting up the entire Middle East? Of course (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/195681.php) they would:
I don’t know why the folks over at MEMRI claim that palestine-info is an unofficial website for Hamas. Last time I checked, it was one of their official websites. But like a lot of what Hamas does, they set up “independent” spinoffs. This is one of them. MEMRIBLOG: On January 1, 2009, the unofficial Hamas website www.palestine-info.info (http://www.palestine-info.info) (hosted by Emirnet-Emirnet in the UAE) posted an article titled “Time Has Come to Expand the War against the Jews and Use WMDs.”
Any use of WMDs against Israel, of course, is the essence of an existential threat and strikes at the heart of what Louis Beres calls the Third Temple Commonwealth. The Israeli response would light up huge swaths of Asia. (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/doctrine.htm)
Stealhead
11-17-12, 09:15 PM
Actually at the altitudes that a system like Iron Dome intercepts the shrapnel would have lost all of its velocity by the time it got near the ground so the small bits would be harmless kind of like getting rained on by bird shot that has lost its velocity and dropped.
The larger parts of the intercepted missile they could be dangerous if they had enough weight.It is much preferable to have a few 50 or 60 pound hunks of rocket fall form the sky than a complete missile with a large amount of explosives in it.
The US paid for 8 Iron Domes for Israel totaling 400,000 million dollars.Iron Dome is designed to work against certain types of short range roackets and even 155mm shells I dont think it can handle a true ballistic missile though. Against a MIRV it would not be effective the MIRV would be far too fast so most likely would a SCUD missile.You'd need a Patriot missile battery(MIM-104F (PAC-3) at least for that the IDF also has these.Just the Patriot missile alone costs 3 million bucks compared to the 50 million price tag of an entire Iron Dome battery.Of course Iron Dome deals with smaller threats that don't warrant the use of a PAC-3 Patriot missile.Two different systems two different threats.
Onkel Neal
11-17-12, 10:35 PM
Do you have one of these?
http://www.madmaxmovies.com/mad-max-interceptor/mad-max-interceptor-you-yangs.jpg
Ahhh, I saw that movie when it was released, in a drive-in theater! :shucks:
Stealhead
11-17-12, 11:59 PM
Ahhh, I saw that movie when it was released, in a drive-in theater! :shucks:
My dad let me watch it on VHS when I was in grade school probably not the best movie for a kid but I liked it that was a long time ago 85 maybe 86.Mad Max is still my favorite it just has a gritter feel than the others.
Sailor Steve
11-18-12, 10:03 AM
It's funny how we react differently to things. I hated Mad Max, and if I had known Road Warrior was a sequel I never would have seen it, which would have been a bad thing. I think RW stands far above the others.
Oh, and just so you know, I own all three and watch them all from time to time.
Stealhead
11-18-12, 01:12 PM
I understand that they are making another Mad Max flick without Mel Gibson of course.There is potential to make a good movie now if they do or not is the question.The good news is that George Miller is the director and he directed the first three.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1392190/
I like The Road Warrior a lot as well I just enjoy Mad Max a little more part of that is probably nostalgia for a week or so after seeing Mad Max as kid I was afraid that I'd hear that motorcycle gang coming.
We really should start a thread about Mad Max.
Cybermat47
11-18-12, 05:57 PM
OK, here's a puppy.
http://i.imgur.com/s9Qxn.jpg
My brain is dead.
Hottentot
11-19-12, 01:12 AM
My brain is dead.
Noted for future reference.
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