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Puerto Rico votes on US ties and chooses governor (http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20121106/API/1211060708&ParentProfile=1058)
With 243 of 1,643 precincts reporting late Tuesday, 75,188 voters, or 53 percent, said they did not want to continue under the current political status. Forty-seven percent, or 67,304 voters, supported the status quo.
On the second question, 65 percent favored statehood, followed by 31 percent for sovereign free association and 4 percent for independence.Now, the hard part, getting congress to actually agree on something and let them join!
mookiemookie
11-07-12, 10:26 AM
Wonder why this isn't getting more airtime...Puerto Ricans have voted 54% to 46% to change their territorial status and have voted 61.2% to become a state.
http://resultados.puertoricodecide.com/2012/elecciones-generales/ (it's in Spanish, but trust me, that's what it says)
It's up to Congress, but we could be getting a new state. That's pretty interesting.
Pharmaceutical manufacturing. according to wikipedia.....and sure you can get for free with bananas and sugar :hmmm:
Errr...
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=199665
Karle94
11-07-12, 10:47 AM
Two years form now: "This just in, Canada has voted 51% against 49% to become the 52nd state in the United States of America."
Onkel Neal
11-07-12, 10:55 AM
Why not just add them to Florida?
mookiemookie
11-07-12, 10:59 AM
Why not just add them to Florida?
"Florid-o Rico"
Jimbuna
11-07-12, 11:08 AM
Two years form now: "This just in, Canada has voted 51% against 49% to become the 52nd state in the United States of America."
You jest? :hmm2:
em2nought
11-07-12, 11:31 AM
I'm pretty sure there are several states that would let Puerto Rico have their star in order to keep it at fifty.:arrgh!:
Two years form now: "This just in, Canada has voted 51% against 49% to become the 52nd state in the United States of America."
Highly doubtful but if somehow this were to be seriously considered then Canada would get at least 13 states.
Bilge_Rat
11-07-12, 05:36 PM
Why should Canada, with a functioning government, spending and debt under control, performing economy, low crime rate, houses that actually go up in value, fully funded public health care, legalised same-sex marriages, legalised and publicly funded abortions, 2nd or 3rd biggest oil reserves in the world ever want to join the U.S.?
Hey, we love to visit and buy your cheap florida seaside condos, but that's about it...:D
Hehe, yep. As things are going now, I think it's a lot more likely that the northeast states will be begging to join us, than we'd be wanting to join the US :D
And to be perfectly serious, I think most Americans underestimate just how different the political culture of Canada is. Just because we don't get worked up over it, doesn't mean we don't have an identity and fairly deep, distinct democratic tradition. There would be remarkably little will and similarity for Canadians to become Americans.
The only part of Canada that is more similar to the US than it is different in terms of political culture, would be Alberta.
u crank
11-07-12, 05:49 PM
Two years form now: "This just in, Canada has voted 51% against 49% to become the 52nd state in the United States of America."
He he....we like America, but not that much. Let's just be friends. :D
Besides we have enough whiny Canadian immigrants down here as it is. :D
Don't forget Denmark and Sweden
We have been bombard with hours of the candidates speeches a.s.o a.s.o and two of our public service channel had all evening and all night broadcast US-election
It could make one wonder if we were a part of US.
Markus
u crank
11-07-12, 06:19 PM
Besides we have enough whiny Canadian immigrants down here as it is. :D
:har:
Most of them are hockey players.:smug:
:har:
Most of them are hockey players.:smug:
The entertainment industry is riddled with them. It wouldn't be so bad but they are so darned difficult to spot. :)
u crank
11-07-12, 06:42 PM
The entertainment industry is riddled with them. It wouldn't be so bad but they are so darned difficult to spot. :)
We like that incognito mode. Hey we're just trying to be like you guys. You're so darn cool.:|\\
We like that incognito mode. Hey we're just trying to be like you guys. You're so darn cool.:|\\
I know. You complete us. :)
http://www.bumperstickerz.com/images/10000286-01-00-00-00_lg.png
Canada might America's hat, but guess who gets to be Canada's pants?
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2313/canadaspants.jpg
Onkel Neal
11-07-12, 10:22 PM
...and lookee where the big swinging d*** is at! :har:
...and lookee where the big swinging d*** is at! :har:
Alabama? :-?
Stealhead
11-07-12, 11:47 PM
So is Central and South America?
I'm pretty sure there are several states that would let Puerto Rico have their star in order to keep it at fifty.:arrgh!:
Texas is the only State that could make it possible.
Penguin
11-08-12, 07:05 AM
Does this mean the US will move closer to Europe? :hmm2:
AVGWarhawk
11-08-12, 08:42 AM
Wonder why this isn't getting more airtime...Puerto Ricans have voted 54% to 46% to change their territorial status and have voted 61.2% to become a state.
http://resultados.puertoricodecide.com/2012/elecciones-generales/ (it's in Spanish, but trust me, that's what it says)
It's up to Congress, but we could be getting a new state. That's pretty interesting.
It is another case of taxation without representation. We here at my office do send FEMA supplies to Puerto Rico. We also provide other services as well. Statehood would be nice for PR.
Does this mean the US will move closer to Europe? :hmm2:
Sorry no, the US Virgin Islands are east of Puerto Rico. :)
Karle94
11-08-12, 10:31 AM
He he....we like America, but not that much. Let's just be friends. :D
Would´t it be funnier if the relationship between you guys were like the one in Canadian Bacon?
mookiemookie
11-08-12, 11:10 AM
...and lookee where the big swinging d*** is at! :har:
Easy now. Steve's gonna get on you about the asterisk cursing. :D
geetrue
11-08-12, 01:21 PM
Why not just add them to Florida?
Cause all the votes would be too waterlogged ... :har:
Bilge_Rat
11-08-12, 03:06 PM
The entertainment industry is riddled with them. It wouldn't be so bad but they are so darned difficult to spot. :)
http://imageshack.us/a/img585/9852/invaders.jpg
Schöneboom
11-09-12, 02:26 AM
I'm pretty sure there are several states that would let Puerto Rico have their star in order to keep it at fifty.:arrgh!:
I've been in contact with members of the Hawaiian sovereignty movement, i.e., the "restored Hawaiian Kingdom". Yes, they have a King Dayne, a descendent of Kamehameha I. His Majesty lives on Kauai, but I haven't met him yet.
As I said to Keanu Sai, Acting Minister of the Interior, there needs to be a referendum to confer legitimacy on their government, and a platform that shows how independence will be better for residents of the Islands. No response yet. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that some Hawaiians might prefer a (Second) Republic of Hawaii, without royals in charge. :hmmm:
Onkel Neal
11-09-12, 12:36 PM
Easy now. Steve's gonna get on you about the asterisk cursing. :D
haha, yes he did :)
I was referring to Texas, of course. :salute:
Gargamel
11-09-12, 12:38 PM
I'm going to laugh when PR does become a state and all the idiots who go around screaming "English is our national Language, learn it!" don't know what to do.
Platapus
11-09-12, 08:03 PM
Well, it is swell that PR wants to become a state. But what would be the advantage to the United States to allow PR statehood?
We don't just grant statehood just because there are poor huddled masses yearning to breath free. What would be the advantage to the US?
I thought we had a standing offer of statehood with them?
Platapus
11-09-12, 10:37 PM
I am not aware of any "standing offer" but there might be an unofficial agreement of support.
While Article 4 of the Constitution grants congress the authority to admit new territories as states, the process for this is not standardized.
Different mechanisms have been used for the admittance of 37 "new" states in our country. Generally they follow a similar process
1. The legislation of the territory must officially petition the United States for statehood.
2. The territory must demonstrate that they are governed by a republican form of government. This is usually demonstrated via a constitution.
3. Both houses of congress must approve statehood via a simple majority vote
4. The President signs the legislative bill establishing and recognizing statehood.
The current referendum in PR is not binding, and therefore can't be used, on its own, as a form of petition.
It should be noted, that in the history of the US, the Congress has never denied any legitimate petition for statehood.
It will be very interesting to watch if the PR legislation officially petitions for statehood. :yep:
mookiemookie
11-09-12, 10:57 PM
Ford offered statehood for PR just before he left office:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=5538
soopaman2
11-12-12, 09:32 PM
No other star needed, Texas wants to leave.
Lose one gain another, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out, welcome my boriqua brothers and sisters!
Enjoy the cartels Texas, I am sure they will do to you what they did to the Mexican government in time.
Oh yeah let me remind you, our president is black, lol. Have fun, He is also the most qualified of the two, have even more fun. At least the filthy dirty brownskins can appreciate what America is about. Equal chance for all, not just WASPS.
Please leave...I am so sick of the rhetoric, and covert rascism. it is counterproductive to compromise, even Boehner is coming around to wanting to work with the administration, why can't Texas, Oh I know... That silly south, Robert E Lee lives, and Appomattox never happened.
I used to love Texas, now I am convinced the biggest anti-patriots are from there, considering they start this seccession crap every few years, go to Mexico, have fun with the Zetas, and Los Barbie.
(sorry Neal, and Mookie, and all my other friends from Texas, I do not judge you in the same ilk)
mookiemookie
11-12-12, 09:59 PM
(sorry Neal, and Mookie, and all my other friends from Texas, I do not judge you in the same ilk)
Please don't. I take great pleasure in reminding the idiots down here about Texas vs. White, 1869.
soopaman2
11-12-12, 10:07 PM
Please don't. I take great pleasure in reminding the idiots down here about Texas vs. White, 1869.
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Reports) 700 (https://supreme.justia.com/us/74/700/case.html) (1869) was a significant case argued before the United States Supreme Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States) in 1869.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White#cite_note-1) The case involved a claim by the Reconstruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_era_of_the_United_States) government of Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas) that United States bonds owned by Texas since 1850 had been illegally sold by the Confederate state legislature during the American Civil War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War). The state filed suit directly with the United States Supreme Court, which, under the United States Constitution, retains original jurisdiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_jurisdiction) on cases in which a state is a party.
In accepting original jurisdiction, the court ruled that Texas had remained a state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America) and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States) did not permit states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_state) to unilaterally secede (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession) from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_(law))".[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White#cite_note-2)
Bitten from wikipedia, but explanatory enough.
Then again the ultra conservative supreme court will overturn this in time. A negro is office is inexcusable!
Viva la Puerto Rico! Our 50th state!
Sailor Steve
11-12-12, 10:53 PM
Puerto Rico has been a United States territory for more than one hundred years. Puerto Ricans are US citizens, with most of the rights held by citizens except the right to vote. They even have a representative commissioner in congress, though he can't vote there either.
If Puerto Rico chooses to become a state it will almost certainly happen. Congress has never turned down any territory's request for statehood.
If Puerto Rico chooses to become a state the number of stars on the flag will probably remain the same. Texas now has the required 25,000 signatures to continue their quest to secede. I have a sneaky feeling that if any state does succeed to secede it will be Texas.
Onkel Neal
11-13-12, 03:23 PM
If we could just agree to swap out Texas and bring in PR, I think everyone would be happy. :shucks:
AVGWarhawk
11-13-12, 03:40 PM
If Puerto Rico chooses to become a state it will almost certainly happen. Congress has never turned down any territory's request for statehood.
With exception of Washington DC proper. :hmmm:
Sailor Steve
11-13-12, 04:43 PM
With exception of Washington DC proper. :hmmm:
Washington DC isn't a territory. It was specifically created so no state could boast it housed the US capital. Making DC a state would defeat the purpose of its existence. Better it should be given back to Delaware. Better still to stay the way it is.
AVGWarhawk
11-13-12, 04:48 PM
Washington DC isn't a territory. It was specifically created so no state could boast it housed the US capital. Making DC a state would defeat the purpose of its existence. Better it should be given back to Delaware. Better still to stay the way it is.
It might as well be considered a territory. Taxation without representation. It is no better than PR..or is it? Boasting the state hosts the US capital is so two centuries ago. :O:
Red Brow
11-15-12, 12:55 PM
I thought you were going to suggest England.
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