Republican Senate hopeful Richard Mourdock in rape row

[Gerald]

Republican US Senate hopeful Richard Mourdock has expressed regret a day after suggesting pregnancies caused by rape were God's plan.

The Indiana candidate made the remarks while debating his Democratic opponent.

He told reporters on Wednesday he "abhors" rape and that if anyone "came away with any impression other than that, I regret it".

Mitt Romney's presidential campaign said he still backed Mr Mourdock, although he disagreed with his views.

Mr Mourdock's comments come two months after another Republican candidate caused a furious backlash when he said women's bodies had ways of preventing pregnancy after rape.

Mr Romney and President Barack Obama are campaigning hard for the 6 November US presidential election, in which women's votes could prove crucial.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20054737


Note: 24 October 2012 Last updated at 18:41 GMT

[mookiemookie]

If at any point you need to reaffirm that rape is bad, you have seriously said something stupid whether you want to admit it or not.

[em2nought]

GOP should revert(not that i'm sure they ever were) to fiscal conservatives, and just shut up about everything else. Everything else isn't their damn business. :arrgh!:

[Bubblehead1980]

Idiots like this are going to cost the GOP the Senate:/\\!!

[Armistead]

If Romney was smart he would pull his backing, but still supports him.

[soopaman2]

It is called blind partisanship...

I do not see it as a republican issue though.

I see it as out of touch, old fashioned fundies who have been in power too long.

Back in our infancy, you served your time as a representative of the people, then went back to your farm, or press, or tannery, or whatever your real job is.

Government was never intended to be a full time job by our founding fathers.

I want term limits on senate and house members, no lifelong insurance benefits that equal 84k a year per congress/house member, and half the salary.

This should not be a livelyhood, but a sacrifice.

And you wonder why I keep buying ammunition?
(I feel homeland security on me now, oh boy I am in trouble for saying that);)

[Sailor Steve]

and half the salary.
Only half? I once listened to a congressman actually say that they needed to have the high salaries so they could attract the "best and brightest". I see how well that's worked so far.

[soopaman2]

Only half? I once listened to a congressman actually say that they needed to have the high salaries so they could attract the "best and brightest". I see how well that's worked so far.


The only way they can justify that they are the only people in the country still getting raises, Steve.

The Banks like to use the same excuse when they take bailouts, and still give out hundreds of millions in bonuses to execs that damn near sunk them. (if not for our bribed congress and house)

EDIT: I hope this hurricane obliterates me, I am so sick of trying to fight this crap (to mockery or no avail). :( This unwinnable fight against a government for the corporations, by the corporations.

[yubba]

Idiots like this are going to cost the GOP the Senate:/\\!!
Been watching the gunshop across the way, for the last couple of days six to eight cars are there at any givin time, if they do decide to take us over the fiscal cliff I think there will be alot of lead poisoning cases, and where is it written in stone that there is going to be some kind of socalistic commie resgime that's just going to take over when we do hit the bottom, this country belongs to us not the government...I think it will be We The People that will reboots America.

[yubba]

The only way they can justify that they are the only people in the country still getting raises, Steve.

The Banks like to use the same excuse when they take bailouts, and still give out hundreds of millions in bonuses to execs that damn near sunk them. (if not for our bribed congress and house)

EDIT: I hope this hurricane obliterates me, I am so sick of trying to fight this crap (to mockery or no avail). :( This unwinnable fight against a government for the corporations, by the corporations. Maybe this storm is a good thing for you undecided folk it will show you what the next 4 years of Obama will be like when we go over the cliff.

[soopaman2]

Maybe this storm is a good thing for you undecided folk it will show you what the next 4 years of Obama will be like when we go over the cliff.


Soop can play this game too!

So Romney hires all his friends to "so called" clean up. Yet cover real home owners in more red tape than they can manage alone. To the point they need a lawyer to litigate? Kinda like Dick and his Halliburton, I wonder how much they got to kill brownskins.... How much will I have to spend for aid, do I have enough? I doubt it, Romney is too rich to understand my plight. Yeah, I can point my finger to the "R's" too.

Yubba, have you ever been in a federal disaster area before? I doubt it, living in inland hicksville usa.'


A merciful tornado to trash your trailor would change your opinion.

I am sorry, but politicizing a (natural) national disaster is uncouth, and I am ashamed more are not trashing you for it. I am disgusted by most of this board ATM.

Maybe if it was your house floating off the foundation....
Typical republican, use fear to invoke feelings, rather than outright actions, spare me....

Sorry, I did what I critisized Yubba for, I made it partisan, I admit it. I am sorry.Points I made still stand though.

[Takeda Shingen]

Yubba, have you ever been in a federal disaster area before?

I think you could classify just about all of his threads as one.

[yubba]

[QUOTE=soopaman2;1953392]Soop can play this game too!



Yubba, have you ever been in a federal disaster area before? I doubt it, living in inland hicksville usa.'
Yeah Merritt Island is a little bit inland from Cape Canaveral I lived here for twenty some odd years, in 04 I rode every hurricane out here,, I rode hurricane Charlie out in the cab of a semi,,after that I worked for a roofing supply company and yes most of the east coast of florida was a disaster area blue tarps as far as the eye could see,,, so you're going to get a wind storm,, when you ride a cat 2 hurricane out come talk to me. and yes my thread are disaster areas because libs can't understand freedom. oh that reminds me time to update Progressive Liberalism mental disorder thread.

[Buddahaid]

Too funny.
http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q=define+liberal&qpvt=liberal+def&FORM=DTPDIA

http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q=definefreedom&go=&qs=n&form=QB

[Tchocky]

It's fairly easy to see what Mourdock was trying to say. It's pretty basic Christian/Pro-Life rote - life begins at conception and God has a hand in most things.

Anyone who honestly thought he meant that God intended rape needs to have their head examined.
Anyone using that interpretation against him politically needs to have their soul examined.
Anyone not using it against him should not be working in politics.

Christ, I'm depressed.

[Gerald]

It's fairly easy to see what Mourdock was trying to say. It's pretty basic Christian/Pro-Life rote - life begins at conception and God has a hand in most things.

Anyone who honestly thought he meant that God intended rape needs to have their head examined.
Anyone using that interpretation against him politically needs to have their soul examined.
Anyone not using it against him should not be working in politics.

Christ, I'm depressed. But you are well educated.

[Randomizer]

It's fairly easy to see what Mourdock was trying to say. It's pretty basic Christian/Pro-Life rote - life begins at conception and God has a hand in most things.

Anyone who honestly thought he meant that God intended rape needs to have their head examined.
Anyone using that interpretation against him politically needs to have their soul examined.
Anyone not using it against him should not be working in politics.

Christ, I'm depressed.
His statement highlights one fundamental flaw in his religious dogma. If his god has a hand in conception (or indeed "most things" as stated above), what does he not have a hand in? How can his god have responsibility for one (conception) without taking ownership for the other (rape)?

If mortals cannot know the mind of their god, how come religions all come with detailed but largely ambiguous instruction books (mostly dating from the Bronze Age)?

This clown (Mourdock) is just another American Taliban who's knowledge of biology and empathy for women in general is essentially non-existent.

[Sailor Steve]

How can his god have responsibility for one (conception) without taking ownership for the other (rape)?
I think just a little investigation would reveal that most believers feel that God created everything to be good, but free will allows men to be evil. Thus it is very easy for God to create conception and Man to create rape.

I understand your disagreement and even your hostility, but your own bias and prejudice are also showing. Do we really need to have this hostile argument again?

[Buddahaid]

I think just a little investigation would reveal that most believers feel that God created everything to be good, but free will allows men to be evil. Thus it is very easy for God to create conception and Man to create rape.

I understand your disagreement and even your hostility, but your own bias and prejudice are also showing. Do we really need to have this hostile argument again?

Yes but after the evil man's free will rape must He take part and allow the conception? Or is it that He doesn't have a hand in everything? Or is that conception meant to be and therefore the rape meant to be? This is the point where the devout usually sit back and say it's God's will and meaningful discussion ends.

[u crank]

His statement highlights one fundamental flaw in his religious dogma. If his god has a hand in conception (or indeed "most things" as stated above), what does he not have a hand in? How can his god have responsibility for one (conception) without taking ownership for the other (rape)?

The misinterpretation here is that God has a hand in conception. In other words, it was His will that it happened. Humans have free will, given to them by God. God does not interfere with that free will, right or wrong. God is not responsible for either the rape or the conception. One is a crime and the other is biology.

This clown (Mourdock) is just another American Taliban who's knowledge of biology and empathy for women in general is essentially non-existent.

Can't disagree with that.

[Buddahaid]

The misinterpretation here is that God has a hand in conception. In other words, it was His will that it happened. Humans have free will, given to them by God. God does not interfere with that free will, right or wrong. God is not responsible for either the rape or the conception. One is a crime and the other is biology.



Can't disagree with that.

Merely biology seems to be a sticking point for creationists. There has been a soul created at the moment of conception no?

[u crank]

Merely biology seems to be a sticking point for creationists. There has been a soul created at the moment of conception no?

Correct. It is at that point that God would acknowledge a new life and be responsible. If God can interfere with our freewill, then you start a long list of 'what ifs and whys' that usually ends with 'why does God allow bad things to happen?' And we are right back to freewill.

Creationists could use the odd biology lesson. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

Yes but after the evil man's free will rape must He take part and allow the conception? Or is it that He doesn't have a hand in everything? Or is that conception meant to be and therefore the rape meant to be? This is the point where the devout usually sit back and say it's God's will and meaningful discussion ends.
You're absolutely right. I was just disputing the idea of holding God responsible for the evil in the world. God or no God, we do quite well at that on our own. I'm not sure I believe that anything is meant to be. What we do is our choice.