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August
10-24-12, 09:06 PM
Very interesting story.




The submarine that sank the Argentine cruiser General Belgrano during the Falklands war was involved in a much more daring and dangerous Cold War operation only weeks later.


By Neil Tweedie (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/neil-tweedie/)
6:10AM BST 12 Oct 2012

It was dark, in the early hours, and the sea was freezing as Her Majesty’s Submarine Conqueror came to periscope depth. Her captain, Christopher Wreford-Brown, had been stalking his target methodically, a hunter in pursuit of wary prey. There she was, 1,000 yards ahead, slow-moving, seemingly unaware of the submarine coming up on her tail. Gathered around Commander Wreford-Brown in the darkened operations room, officers and men waited in silence, inner tension masked by outward calm. t was 1982 and this was the real thing.

HMS Conqueror is famous, some would say notorious, for sinking the Argentinian cruiser General Belgrano. The nuclear-powered attack submarine, a type also known menacingly as a hunter-killer, that year became the first of her kind to fire in anger. The Belgrano was sent to bottom in short order, her ancient hull rent by two torpedoes: 323 men, many of them young conscripts, died. The Falklands war began in earnest that day, May 2 1982.

But the ship now in the crosswires was not the Belgrano. This was August, almost two months after the liberation of the Falklands, and on the other side of the world, in the Barents Sea, backyard of the mighty Soviet Northern Fleet. Conqueror was sailing as close to Russian territorial waters as was legally allowed – or maybe closer. Submariners, a tight-knit community, politely disdainful of their surface counterparts, joke that there are two types of naval vessel: submarines and targets. Wreford-Brown’s target was a spy trawler – an AGI in Nato parlance, meaning Auxiliary General Intelligence. Crammed with interception and detection equipment, they were a ubiquitous presence during the Cold War, shadowing Nato exercises or loitering off naval bases.

This one was special: Polish-flagged, she was pulling a device long coveted by the British and Americans, a two-mile string of hydrophones known as a towed-array sonar. It was the latest thing in Soviet submarine-detection technology and Conqueror’s job was to steal it. To do so, the bow was equipped with electronically controlled pincers, provided by the Americans, to gnaw through the three-inch-thick steel cable connecting it to the trawler. The name of this audacious exercise in piracy? Operation Barmaid.

Thirty years on, and the story of this mission, classified Top Secret to this day, is being told. It may be that the Russian government is learning for the first time the fate of what was one of its most closely guarded devices.



Read the rest at:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9602103/HMS-Conquerors-biggest-secret-a-raid-on-Russia.html

Oberon
10-24-12, 09:50 PM
Good find August, and an enjoyable read, nice to see another tidbit from the Cold War escape the archives, who'd have thought it, eh? I must admit I thought the Soviets got their towed array designs from American arrays that they had 'accidentally' snagged in their screws whilst bugging US frigates but that being said, the only picture I know of of that happening was from a Victor III which already came with a towed array so spying seems more likely (it's how they got most of their submarine technology after all...).

Not an easy task manoeuvring something as big as a Churchill class SSN in those waters, but given the sensitive handling needed for grabbing the cable an Oberon class probably wouldn't have been up to the job, as quiet as they were.

CCIP
10-24-12, 10:12 PM
That is a really cool story and some brilliant seamanship indeed!

August
10-24-12, 11:40 PM
Good find August, and an enjoyable read, nice to see another tidbit from the Cold War escape the archives, who'd have thought it, eh? I must admit I thought the Soviets got their towed array designs from American arrays that they had 'accidentally' snagged in their screws whilst bugging US frigates but that being said, the only picture I know of of that happening was from a Victor III which already came with a towed array so spying seems more likely (it's how they got most of their submarine technology after all...).

Not an easy task manoeuvring something as big as a Churchill class SSN in those waters, but given the sensitive handling needed for grabbing the cable an Oberon class probably wouldn't have been up to the job, as quiet as they were.

I'll say one thing Ob. When it comes to guts and coolness in tense situations nobody has anything on you Brits. I'm glad we're on the same side.

Catfish
10-25-12, 04:22 AM
Interesting story, thanks .

But in the quote is said: "[..] But the ship now in the crosswires was not the Belgrano. This was August, ... [...]"

I saw it !

TarJak
10-25-12, 06:46 AM
Very interesting story indeed.

August
10-25-12, 07:17 AM
Interesting story, thanks .

But in the quote is said: "[..] But the ship now in the crosswires was not the Belgrano. This was August, ... [...]"

I saw it !


You wouldn't believe how often I do that kind of double take in the late summer! :)

Gerald
10-25-12, 08:08 AM
^Good!

Jimbuna
10-25-12, 09:52 AM
Nice one....it makes me wonder what the likes of the Astute class is doing now...perhaps after the 30 year official secrets requirements are reached we'll find out.

Herr-Berbunch
10-25-12, 04:05 PM
Nice one....it makes me wonder what the likes of the Astute class is doing now...perhaps after the 30 year official secrets requirements are reached we'll find out.

Refloating, I think.

A great find August. :yeah:

Jimbuna
10-25-12, 04:59 PM
Refloating, I think.

A great find August. :yeah:

Nothing beats patriotism.

mapuc
10-25-12, 05:18 PM
When I read the thread overview, I thought, that now was a new book by Tom Clancy on the way to the nearest bookstore.

I do understand that, that was not the case

Markus

August
10-25-12, 06:08 PM
When I read the thread overview, I thought, that now was a new book by Tom Clancy on the way to the nearest bookstore.

I do understand that, that was not the case

Markus


Well you were half right. It is a new book:

'Secrets of the Conqueror: The Untold Story of Britain’s Most Famous Submarine (http://books.telegraph.co.uk/BerteShopWeb/viewProduct.do?ISBN=9780571290321&utm_source=tmg&utm_medium=article_9602103&utm_campaign=secretsoftheconqueror)’ by Stuart Prebble (Faber and Faber) is available to order from Telegraph Books at £18 + £1.35 p&p. Call 0844 871 1515 or visit books.telegraph.co.uk (http://books.telegraph.co.uk/?utm_source=tmg&utm_medium=article_9602103&utm_campaign=secretsoftheconqueror)

Jimbuna
10-26-12, 05:13 AM
You must be on commission, that link states £13.99 :)

Just ordered via SubSim link from Amazon.co.uk for £8.89 plus £2.80 p&p:

Ta for the heads up :sunny:

August
10-26-12, 07:17 AM
You must be on commission, that link states £13.99 :)

I'm all at sea when it comes to your foreign funny money. :D

Kazuaki Shimazaki II
10-26-12, 08:50 AM
You must be on commission, that link states £13.99 :)

Just ordered via SubSim link from Amazon.co.uk for £8.89 plus £2.80 p&p:

Ta for the heads up :sunny:

Methinks I'll wait for the Kindle version despite their limitations (to include some imperfect OCRing) - my small home is running out of space for books...

Jimbuna
10-26-12, 09:02 AM
I'm all at sea when it comes to your foreign funny money. :D

LOL :)

Ordered for £8.99 then went back to the link and the price has gone up to £10 so they must just offer the odd one at special prices to tempt more sales :hmm2:

Jimbuna
10-26-12, 09:05 AM
Methinks I'll wait for the Kindle version despite their limitations (to include some imperfect OCRing) - my small home is running out of space for books...

Kindle version is £9.00

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secrets-Conqueror-Britains-Submarine-ebook/dp/B008QO93FU/ref=sr_1_1_title_1_kin?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1351260239&sr=1-1