Trump's Obama Announcement [Archive] - SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

Catfish

10-23-12, 12:45 PM

Oh let me guess, this is soo exxx - citing !!
Some possible official announcements:

Obama was born in Africa !

The democrats want to take away real estate from the homeless !

The democrats want to privatize my losses !

Obama uses a China-built iPhone !

Obama is not black, he uses instant-tan !

Since Chile you know what we think of democracy !

All talk about Texas. Idiots, we do not even pay any !

The rich must get richer !

All are talking of peace. Not us !

Peace threatens your jobs !

:O:

vienna

10-23-12, 12:54 PM

I deserve that. :shucks: This guy just bugs me no end for some reason. I think it's his looks that speak the little rich boy that starts trouble in the playground and then blames everyone else that gets my goat. One of the few people I want to give a face lift to with a shovel on sight. :yep:

I think he's just one of those people, like the Kardassians, who is famous just for being famous. Other than the fame, he is just a waste of press space...

BTW, you sig has "SF Giants"; as a native born San Franciscan, I watched the game yesterday with great pleasure and satisfaction (I DVR'd the debate and watched it later). I did, however, come to the realization that I may have been playing Silent Hunter too long: during Game 6 on Sunday, there was a shot on Fox of the Bay outside the ballpark. Aside from the usual small boats in McCovey Cove, a tanker sailed past in the near background. I found myself trying to decide where I would aim my torps...

Buddahaid

10-23-12, 02:03 PM

I still can't believe they won. Best part of the game for me was finally setting up my laptop with DaanSystems Radiodelay so I could listen to my favorite game commentators and ignore Joe Buck who is another shovel candidate. :O:

Great freeware for baseball fans and fewer commercial time wasted as the radio commentators are still talking about the game during half the TV commercials.
http://www.daansystems.com/radiodelay/

Last nights game's delay was twenty seconds!

vienna

10-23-12, 02:17 PM

I know what you mean about the commentators. Although I hate the Dodgers, I really like to hear Vin Scully call a game (especially if the Dodgers are losing :D). Aside from Vin, I don't really know of any other commentators who are listenable. Maybe I'm spoiled because I grew up listening to Giants games on radio and TV when Russ Hodges was still around...

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mookiemookie

10-23-12, 03:00 PM

Trump's expiration date is long past.

vienna

10-23-12, 03:07 PM

Trump's expiration date is long past.

Yeah, his hair turned bad long ago...

Maybe he's going to announce his newest acquisition; you know, "I'm not only a customer, now I'm the president of 'Hair Club fo Men'...

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yubba

10-23-12, 07:06 PM

Obama is accepting foreign campaign contrabutions.:hmmm: or Obama is really a women.

August

10-23-12, 07:20 PM

Forgive my British ignorance but whos Trump? Is that Donald Trump the tycoon? if so, hes a hardcore republican isnt he? so what ever he has to say about Obama - it wont be very nice I imagine :D and what the hell is up with his hair?
Gives me Bill Gates instead, as '1 percenters' go hes a really good guy :)

He's about as republican as Larry Flynt is democrat. Both are hangers on with little or no influence within their adopted parties who mainly wish they would just go away.

Stealhead

10-23-12, 07:53 PM

The democrats want to take away real estate from the homeless !

All talk about Texas. Idiots, we do not even pay any !

:O:

Homeless people have real estate?

I don't pay any Texas either.

Think you made some typos there.

Gargamel

10-23-12, 08:29 PM

Homeless people have real estate?

I don't pay any Texas either.

Think you made some typos there.

I think they're intentional.

Oberon

10-23-12, 08:32 PM

Oh, give it time, Texas will make sure you'll pay. Just wait until Cyber-Big-Tex is completed.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3571/3392042820_a0c5921f6b.jpg

Stealhead

10-23-12, 08:39 PM

I think they're intentional.

I dont know about the Texas one pretty sure that he meant Taxes I make that kind of typo vrey ofetn.

I see that the post was in jest but not the typos.

That or he is thinking of Yubba.

Sailor Steve

10-23-12, 08:47 PM

I dont know about the Texas one pretty sure that he meant Taxes I make that kind of typo vrey ofetn.

I see that the post was in jest but not the typos.

That or he is thinking of Yubba.
I think the entire post was meant as a joke. Within that context "Texas" for "taxes" makes perfect sense.

Takeda Shingen

10-23-12, 08:53 PM

Oh, give it time, Texas will make sure you'll pay. Just wait until Cyber-Big-Tex is completed.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3571/3392042820_a0c5921f6b.jpg

Embrace democracy or you will be eradicated.

Reminds me of the time when I replied to TheThirdMan using only Liberty Prime quotes.

mookiemookie

10-23-12, 09:33 PM

Reminds me of the time when I replied to TheThirdMan using only Liberty Prime quotes.

I remember that. :rotfl2:

Onkel Neal

10-23-12, 10:10 PM

Homeless people have real estate?

I don't pay any Texas either.

Think you made some typos there.

You better pay your Texas, and right away! :shucks:

Embrace democracy or you will be eradicated.

Reminds me of the time when I replied to TheThirdMan using only Liberty Prime quotes.

What? How'd I miss that?

JU_88

10-24-12, 03:32 AM

He's about as republican as Larry Flynt is democrat. Both are hangers on with little or no influence within their adopted parties who mainly wish they would just go away.

Sure, Love is not always a two way street. I meant that he loves the Republicans, which does not automatically mean that the Republicans love him back :)
What about Clint Eastward, didnt he give that pretty loopy speech at the Tampa Convention?

Catfish

10-24-12, 05:54 AM

Homeless people have real estate?
I don't pay any Texas either.

Think you made some typos there.

The real estate thing is based on an old german poster making fun of the german CDU conservative party (read: the rich):

http://www.hdg.de/lemo/objekte/pict/KontinuitaetUndWandel_plakatStaeckTessin/index.html

"To all you workers, the SPD [left party back then, not now though] wants to take away your villas in the Tessin area !"

I can assure you, my words have been used fully intentional :)

mookiemookie

10-24-12, 06:15 AM

What? How'd I miss that?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=177202&page=2

Takeda Shingen

10-24-12, 06:35 AM

How far did you have to dig to find that? That's awesome.

Hottentot

10-24-12, 07:04 AM

How far did you have to dig to find that? That's awesome.

The greatest hilarity is that to some people those are not Liberty Prime quotes but something they would actually say in a discussion and call it an original and well founded argument. If you replace "communism" with some other word, you'll get even wider range of hits.

mookiemookie

10-24-12, 08:15 AM

How far did you have to dig to find that? That's awesome.

My Google-Fu is very strong.

Buddahaid

10-24-12, 12:21 PM

Well he seems to not know the difference between an announcement and a proposition. Boring, boring, boring.

eddie

10-24-12, 12:55 PM

This is the big news from Trump?:haha:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/donald-trump-fails-drop-bombshell-offers-cash-obama/story?id=17553670

GoldenRivet

10-24-12, 03:12 PM

Yep thats the news from trump.

and its far from funny.

Name one *legitimate* politician who would refuse this offer.... name one.

If B.O. releases the requested information he reveals that which he is hiding from you.

If he doesnt release the requested information he has screwed a charity out of $5M

seriously... what P.O.S. human being wouldnt open these records.

what is so vital to keep hidden that its worth costing AIDS research, or breast cancer research, or any other charity $5,000,000?

I promise you Obama's reaction (there will likely be none) will speak volumes about who he really is.

Hell... ill do the chicken dance nude on X-Factor for that kind of donation.... let alone open my college records and passport application

Buddahaid

10-24-12, 03:31 PM

Trump is such a humanitarian. This only makes him look like a bigger phallus head but that's just my opinion. Maybe he should have dangled kittens over a meat grinder instead.

mookiemookie

10-24-12, 03:38 PM

Buddahaid

10-24-12, 03:42 PM

He's still fishing for birther evidence. Why else a passport application?

GoldenRivet

10-24-12, 03:46 PM

Who gives a happy monkey screw about what grade Obama or Romney or Clinton or any president or candidate got 30 years ago in Geology 101. Seriously, the fact that this birther stuff is still an issue is absolutely ridiculous.

i dont think it is so much about his grades 30 years ago in Geology 101. i think it is more about what he put for his nationality on said applications. either he is telling a lie right now about being an American citizen or he was telling a lie most of his life about being Kenyan or Nigerian or whatever to gain an advantage he wasn't due.

either way, i'd like to know, and that there is anyone out there that doesnt want to know... *that* is what i find absolutely ridiculous IMHO

Takeda Shingen

10-24-12, 03:46 PM

This whole thing is about Trump not having been in the news lately. It must be almost time to announce the new cast for this season of The Apprentice. :shifty:

GoldenRivet

10-24-12, 03:58 PM

wasted breath anyhow...

I doubt but a handful of American's would even care that he went his whole life saying he is a Kenyan only to all of the sudden switch to American to run for president.

I seriously doubt that if that came to light, that even 1/2 of 1% of democrats would care or even see any wrong in it.

Buddahaid

10-24-12, 04:01 PM

i dont think it is so much about his grades 30 years ago in Geology 101. i think it is more about what he put for his nationality on said applications. either he is telling a lie right now about being an American citizen or he was telling a lie most of his life about being Kenyan or Nigerian or whatever to gain an advantage he wasn't due.

either way, i'd like to know, and that there is anyone out there that doesnt want to know... *that* is what i find absolutely ridiculous IMHO

I think we already know. If there was any real doubt there would be a Congressional hearing.

Takeda Shingen

10-24-12, 04:04 PM

I seriously doubt that if that came to light, that even 1/2 of 1% of democrats would care or even see any wrong in it.

And I seriously doubt that if nothing came to light, that even 1/2 of 1% of Republicans would believe it.

I think we already know. If there was any real doubt there would be a Congressional hearing.

I think so too.

mookiemookie

10-24-12, 04:25 PM

This whole thing is about Trump not having been in the news lately. It must be almost time to announce the new cast for this season of The Apprentice. :shifty:

Ah, they already did. It's a bunch of repeats...Busey, Rodman, Trace Atkins, Bret Michaels...they're billing it as an "All Star" cast. I say they just couldn't get anyone else to do it. :dead:

Takeda Shingen

10-24-12, 04:27 PM

Ah, they already did. It's a bunch of repeats...Busey, Rodman, Trace Atkins, Bret Michaels...they're billing it as an "All Star" cast. I say they just couldn't get anyone else to do it. :dead:

Who wouldn't want to work with Donald Trump? He seems like a balanced, well-spoken guy with ideas that are well thought out and a great haircut to boot.

Platapus

10-24-12, 04:44 PM

Obama has had to prove his citizenship at least seven different times.

1996 when he ran for the IL Senate, he had to deliver proof of citizenship to the Illinois state board of elections

1998, 2000, and 2002 when he ran for reelection he had to re-certify his citizenship with the Illinois State Board of Elections.

2004 when he ran for State Senator he had to deliver proof of citizenship to the Illinois State Board of Elections as well as to the DNC. The State Board of Elections handles the certifications of federal candidates.

2008 when he ran for President he had to deliver proof of citizenship to the Illinois State Board of Elections and the DNC.

Guess what? He even had to do it in 2011. There is a lot of paperwork involved in running for elected office that is filled out and reviewed.

Now we are supposed to believe that in all seven times there was some conspiracy???

That in all the primaries that the other DNC candidates who would have had access to DNC documents would not have found out. That all the RNC spies would also not have been able to find out if Obama were not a natural citizen. That no one from the Illinois State Board of Elections (about 75 people) would have leaked that Obama was not a citizen????

And that is not counting any of the plethora of reporters

That is some conspiracy. :nope:

All these people are either wrong or conspirators.... but Trump knows the real deal.

Yeah.

Tribesman

10-24-12, 05:14 PM

i dont think it is so much about his grades 30 years ago in Geology 101. i think it is more about what he put for his nationality on said applications. either he is telling a lie right now about being an American citizen or he was telling a lie most of his life about being Kenyan or Nigerian or whatever to gain an advantage he wasn't due.

either way, i'd like to know, and that there is anyone out there that doesnt want to know... *that* is what i find absolutely ridiculous IMHO
Birthers:har::har::har::har::har::har:

I promise you Obama's reaction (there will likely be none) will speak volumes about who he really is.

His reaction will be a measure of how trump and birthers are percieved

yubba

10-24-12, 06:36 PM

Geeeezzz, birther crap,,hell we all know he was born as a women in kenya. I think this Ben gass ee thing will take him down,,they knew what was going on in real time and did nothing to help, I know that we should have had one of those things you call an AIR CRAFT CARRIER in the area, but no they sat on their hands and did nothing,,,and then lied about it...If this administration can't take care of their own and then try to cover it up,,what do you think they are going to do for you.???????

geetrue

10-24-12, 10:03 PM

Did anyone else notice that Donald Trump is a white/blond anglo saxon while Barack Obama is a black/coffee tan kind of guy?

I tend to notice these things :know:

plus it sounds like one of those teen gamer threats, "I own you man"
"weather you play it my way or not" " I own you"

Catfish

10-25-12, 04:19 AM

Mr. Obama has proven this six or seven times ? I guess Mr Trump will soon lose some five million bucks.

But another question: If this Mr. Trump has 5 million bucks to spend "just so", but makes something else dependent on spending it for cancer/the poor/whatever, why would he never do it just to help ?

Because he is a borderless A'hole, i assume ? :hmm2:

CaptainHaplo

10-25-12, 05:57 AM

The responses here crack me up.
It has nothing to do with "birtherism" - Trump is the one who helped lay that matter to rest with the long form release of the birth certificate, after all.

This is about whether or not Obama lied about his origins and history so that he could have access to greater opportunities that were not based on merit. These questions go directly to the question of character, not nationality.

While you will still have a few that would use an inconsistency to insist Obama is not a real citizen, the vast majority would see it only as him being intentionally dishonest for personal gain. The only thing is - he is a politician - so most of us already know that since they tend to all be that way.

Did he lie about his origins and heritage to get a "leg up" on others? If so, he wouldn't be the first politician of either party to do it. Warren in MA is still having to deal with her actions on the same subject. It speaks to character, and thus it IS a reasonable matter for the American people to know about before electing their next President.

The attempts to simply spin this as a "birther" issue is the only way the left can try to make it "off limits" and extreme. But that is all it is - spin.

Dread Knot

10-25-12, 07:18 AM

Just another sad and pathetic Trump ploy to stay personally relevant at the GOP's expense. :nope:

August

10-25-12, 07:21 AM

The attempts to simply spin this as a "birther" issue is the only way the left can try to make it "off limits" and extreme. But that is all it is - spin.

Yeah I don't understand how college records and passport info have anything much to do with where he was born... :hmmm:

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 07:58 AM

mookiemookie

10-25-12, 08:31 AM

Don Trumps bid to release BO college paperwork has nothing to do with birth certs. It has to do with BO applying to college and receiving financial aid as a foreign student.

So you're saying it has something to do with his birth certificate.

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 09:06 AM

So you're saying it has something to do with his birth certificate.

No. I'm saying there might be some falsehoods portrayed to obtain financial aid at the college. The guy lived around the world. Went to the finest schools. He was a son of single mom and brought up later by his grandparents. The dollars do not add up.

Why sealed records?

August

10-25-12, 09:35 AM

Why sealed records?

Don't expect a straight answer. Democrats are quite willing to abandon principles when it comes to their icons. I see it here in blue state Massachusetts all the time.

We have a senate candidate here who lied on her job application to Harvard listing herself as a minority. If it were a Republican they'd be screaming bloody murder but since she is a Democrat she gets a pass on it and her opponent is just being partisan for bringing it up in the first place.

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 09:38 AM

Although I think the Don is a bit nutty with this, there is something to sealed records for both the Obamas. Records that anyone else, like Bush, would be a open book.

Obama is receiving yet another pass. This has nothing to do with birther crap everyone jumps all over when questions arise. Obama's past is not really dreams of his father.....

Dowly

10-25-12, 09:48 AM

Don Trumps bid to release BO college paperwork has nothing to do with birth certs. It has to do with BO applying to college and receiving financial aid as a foreign student.

Bush's college paperwork was released without issue. Why not BO? :06:

Not long ago, we went through this, but here goes:

Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not
“sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would
be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act
of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any
former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without
that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them,
but neither have other presidential candidates released their college
records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but
only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush
himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the
Washington Post.

And:

Claim #15, foreign student aid. The claim that Obama got “foreign
student aid” is untrue. That wild falsehood began as an absurd April Fools’
Day hoax in 2009, which we quickly exposed.

From:
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 09:53 AM

Not long ago, we went through this, but here goes:

And:

From:
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

The discussion is not about court ordered sealed anything. It is about records that some would like to see. If there is nothing to hide why not let the records show there is nothing of mention and take the 5 million for a charity. :hmmm:

GoldenRivet

10-25-12, 09:59 AM

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 10:02 AM

This

If he lied to gain an unfair advantage... i'd want to know.

Claims, as Dowly posted links, are BO is clean as a whistle. If so, why not show the cleanliness in the records and take the 5 million? Heck, use it for his own charity called his campaign. :haha:

Dowly

10-25-12, 10:16 AM

Claims, as Dowly posted links, are BO is clean as a whistle.

Nope, the link shows (with sources listed) that much of the claims against Obama
are simply not true. :03:

mookiemookie

10-25-12, 10:20 AM

Nope, the link shows (with sources listed) that much of the claims against Obama
are simply not true. :03:

Facts have a liberal bias.

Catfish

10-25-12, 10:31 AM

Facts have a liberal bias.

Then according to logic,

Lies have a republican bias :hmm2:

Oberon

10-25-12, 10:38 AM

In before Romney...

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 10:47 AM

Then according to logic,

Lies have a republican bias :hmm2:

That would be a vast right wing conspiracy.

Sailor Steve

10-25-12, 11:38 AM

Facts have a liberal bias.

Then according to logic,

Lies have a republican bias :hmm2:
Of course you're both biased. :O:

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 11:42 AM

Of course you're both biased. :O:

This is a vast Subsim conspiracy.

Tribesman

10-25-12, 11:59 AM

This is a vast Subsim conspiracy.
that accusation is below the water

vienna

10-25-12, 12:23 PM

http://assets.amuniversal.com/14a13310f514012ff352001dd8b71c47 (http://www.gocomics.com/9chickweedlane#mutable_846683)

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Buddahaid

10-25-12, 01:02 PM

The discussion is not about court ordered sealed anything. It is about records that some would like to see. If there is nothing to hide why not let the records show there is nothing of mention and take the 5 million for a charity. :hmmm:

It's a form of extortion and we don't negotiate with terrorists comes to mind.

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 01:04 PM

It's a form of extortion and we don't negotiate with terrorists comes to mind.

Extortion? Not really. Setting a precedence if Obama goes through with it? Absolutely.

mookiemookie

10-25-12, 02:18 PM

The whole "if you have nothing to hide, you should consent to X" thing is such a farce. That's the same type of wrongheaded thinking that got the Patriot Act passed.

Refusing to release records from years ago because your political enemies are looking to make hay with anything they find in them is not a crime or even controversial. If Mitt Romney had said "screw you, my taxes are my business." I wouldn't have batted an eye. It was a spun up issue that was absolutely retarded - of course any sane person with access to accountants and tax shelters is going to make use of them to minimize their tax burden. You'd be a fool to do otherwise. That's why TurboTax and H.R. Block and every other tax preparer advertises that they can find you the most deductions and get your tax bill down lower. But all of a sudden we're going to tar and feather Mitt Romney because he did the exact same thing millions of Americans do every April? Come on now.

And the same thing with this Obama college stuff. What Obama got in college in 1980-whocares-ever is irrelevant to anything going on today. First off, the debunked lies that Dowly posted are being repeated over and over. Second of all, people are trying to claim it's not about some birther garbage, but instead it's about claiming to be a foreigner to get some sort of advantage. Uh...hell-oooo, that's what being a birther is. And it's not the eeeeevil libruls that are trying to make being a birther an out-there and crazy thing - the fact that there are still people who believe in it despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary are what make it an out-there and crazy thing. If you don't want to be labelled a conspiracy theorist, then don't believe in conspiracy theories.

If there was anything to find, the armies of Koch-funded PACs and the Clintons and the McCains and the Romneys would have found it by now. Give it up.

Buddahaid

10-25-12, 02:22 PM

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 02:31 PM

Sorry I just don't agree with you AVG. This only shows Trump to be the POS he really is and you fell for it.

A better name for this would be coercion.

Coercion: the practice of compelling a person or manipulating them to behave in an involuntary way (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation, trickery, or some other form of pressure or force. These are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way.

I did not fall for anything. The Don is a nut.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1952493&postcount=56

It is not coercion either. No one is making Obama behave in a involuntary way. I see no intimidation, trickery or pressure. Obama is not a victim.

August

10-25-12, 02:39 PM

If there was anything to find, the armies of Koch-funded PACs and the Clintons and the McCains and the Romneys would have found it by now. Give it up.

You're probably right Mookie, but if so then it's an easy 5 million for Obamas favorite charity while at the same time making "The Donald" look like more the idiot that he is.

So why does Barry pass it up? 5 million bucks would go a long way. Doesn't he care about the poor children?

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 03:01 PM

You're probably right Mookie, but if so then it's an easy 5 million for Obamas favorite charity while at the same time making "The Donald" look like more the idiot that he is.

So why does Barry pass it up? 5 million bucks would go a long way. Doesn't he care about the poor children?

It will really set precedence for the next one in the WH. It is best to ignore it or just tell The Don he should donate it to charity anyway.

Buddahaid

10-25-12, 03:27 PM

You're probably right Mookie, but if so then it's an easy 5 million for Obamas favorite charity while at the same time making "The Donald" look like more the idiot that he is.

So why does Barry pass it up? 5 million bucks would go a long way. Doesn't he care about the poor children?

Then that sentiment is the Trump's whole point I suppose. Why, is by doing so he is seen to cave to Trump playing the bully. Last I looked Trump still isn't in charge.

August

10-25-12, 04:20 PM

It will really set precedence for the next one in the WH. It is best to ignore it or just tell The Don he should donate it to charity anyway.

Why would Obama care about that?

Then that sentiment is the Trump's whole point I suppose. Why, is by doing so he is seen to cave to Trump playing the bully. Last I looked Trump still isn't in charge.

It's still five million bucks a needy charity won't get.

AVGWarhawk

10-25-12, 04:31 PM

Why would Obama care about that?

.

Because it opens a door for any near-do-well to pull a stunt like this with BO and any proceeding President. If Trump can't respect the man, respect the office. Frankly, Don is making a mockery of the office. BO will come and go but the position of CinC should be respected.

Tribesman

10-25-12, 04:40 PM

It's still five million bucks a needy charity won't get.
The ends cannot justify the means.

If Trump can't respect the man, respect the office. Frankly, Don is making a mockery of the office.
thats the thing, even a raving wingnut like Malkin is calling Trump a clown and an idiot over his earth shattering "october surprise"

August

10-25-12, 04:51 PM

Because it opens a door for any near-do-well to pull a stunt like this with BO and any proceeding President. If Trump can't respect the man, respect the office. Frankly, Don is making a mockery of the office. BO will come and go but the position of CinC should be respected.

Five million dollars is very large amount of money. Not just any near-do-well could afford that kind of coin. After November 6th, regardless of outcome, Obama is immune to such tactics and frankly he doesn't strike me as a guy who would give a hoot about his successors.

Yes Trump is an *******, an increasingly ridiculous clown and everyone knows it. But

it's f i v e m i l l i o n d o l l a r s !

If I were OB i'd call his bluff. Give the big STFU to the political opposition by proving they were wrong all along (just in time for the election too) and get a real significant boost for some deserving charity. I'd make sure Trump can't claim it as a charitable gift either.

It might not change my vote but it would make me respect our President a lot more.

Tribesman

10-25-12, 05:00 PM

Five million dollars is very large amount of money.
So what? the level of money is irrelevant.
it would still be wrong if he offered a dollar or a billion dollars

Dowly

10-25-12, 05:41 PM

So why does Barry pass it up? 5 million bucks would go a long way. Doesn't he care about the poor children?

My guess is that it's an obvious bait. First of all, let me say that I care very little
about US politics. Hell, to this day, I dont know whether Obama is a democrat or a republican.

But I try to see what I'd do in that situation, and what Obama is doing with
not bending over is what I'd do. So much **** has been thrown at him that has
been proven to be false, that I'd just ignore it all. Even if he'd release the reports,
the people who dont like Obama would just come up with something else.

Much like Bush and 9/11. The Gov could've released much more than they did,
but it wasnt necessary. We (the public) have a good understanding of what
happened. The loud-mouths want more proof, give it to them and they make up
more allegations and ask for more proof. So, what's the point for "feeding the trolls".

This is my, rather drunken, opinion.

Buddahaid

10-25-12, 05:48 PM

...It might not change my vote but it would make me respect our President a lot more.

Funny, it won't change my vote either but would make me respect him less. :O:

Takeda Shingen

10-25-12, 05:52 PM

This is my, rather drunken, opinion.

I was not aware that you had sober opinions.

August

10-25-12, 06:05 PM

So, what's the point for "feeding the trolls"

Well in this case it would be the troll who was doing the feeding, to the tune of 5 million bucks.

Yes it is a stunt, but Trump is betting that he won't have to pay up because Obama won't take the deal. However it's going to become public knowledge some day anyways even if just in history books so I fail to see the harm in Obama calling his bluff.

Buddahaid

10-25-12, 06:16 PM

Platapus

10-25-12, 06:22 PM

If Trump really cared about the charity, he would just donate the 5Mil.

eddie

10-25-12, 06:24 PM

If Trump really cared about the charity, he would just donate the 5Mil.
:agree:

vienna

10-25-12, 06:30 PM

If Trump really cared about the charity, he would just donate the 5Mil.

5 million is a really small tip in the world of people like Trump. He's a bloody billionaire, after all. Why doesn't he show real committment to his belief he is right and put up, say, 50 million? That's only 5% of a billion; a small price to pay if you really believe you're right. Trump should crawl back under the rock he and his "hair creature" share and leave the rest of the world in peace. I may even be forced to arrange to have Rosie dropped on him from a great height... :)

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August

10-25-12, 06:31 PM

I don't let spoiled brats dictate what I do and ignoring them is the last thing they want. If Trump's offer is taken up, the brat wins by getting attention he doesn't rate. If ignored Obama maintains the high ground.

High ground in this case means 5 million dollars less for some deserving charity bottom line.

Win or loose next month Obamas life will be studied in excruciating detail for decades even centuries to come. All Presidents lives are, and him being the first person of color to hold the office even more so i'd bet. The information will eventually come out anyways. So unless there is something that would hurt Obama in the upcoming election I say he should really seize the high ground and put charity before self.

Dowly

10-25-12, 06:40 PM

I was not aware that you had sober opinions.

I got my moments. :hmph:

Yes it is a stunt, but Trump is betting that he won't have to pay up because Obama won't take the deal. However it's going to become public knowledge some day anyways even if just in history books so I fail to see the harm in Obama calling his bluff.

Yes, it will be public knowledge at some point.

It's really hard to put it to words what I mean, I couldnt even put it out in Finnish.
But... should the POTUS, the "most powerful person in the world",
just give in and prove that he is what most think he is?

As I see it, it's pride+honor+trust, what Obama is doing. As I said earlier,
the ones against Obama will think of something else to attack him with,
no matter what he (Obama) says. I dont see why he should keep playing that game.

He is the POTUS by vote, suck it. (Democracy and all that :O:)

Onkel Neal

10-25-12, 06:41 PM

I have not read this while thread so this may in the discussion, but talking about cringe-worthy political ads (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U5xWNVJRMt4) :nope:

Dowly

10-25-12, 06:45 PM

vienna

10-25-12, 06:58 PM

Basically, what Trump and his far right fellow travellers are engaging in is an old (and bad) debater's trick. When you are unable to win an argument on the basis of facts that you can provide yourself or you can substatiate yourself, you cast a broad, vague net to "fish" for something, anything you can hang your argument on and hopefully distract from your lack of any cogent logic. The far right have really run out of any substantiative arguments able to result in a "body blow" to Obama, so they are just demanding more and more senseless "information" in the hope they may accidentally stumble on some way of winning an argument they have already lost long ago. I have even seen this tactic used in some of the threads and topics in these forums. It can be amusing to watch the drowning flail as they manage to swim farther and farther from solid ground...

In an effort to be of aid to the seriosly afflicted, I offer this to the far right in the hope it may assist them in their time of need:

http://gis.washington.edu/phurvitz/outgoing/bustagut/Non-SlanderousPoliticalSmearSpeech.htm

I also found this interesting:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-some-examples-of-dirty-politics.htm

(Note the irony of the campaign ads in the article...) :)

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mookiemookie

10-25-12, 07:00 PM

I have not read this while thread so this may in the discussion, but talking about cringe-worthy political ads (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U5xWNVJRMt4) :nope:

Yikes. Now if GWB had done exactly what Obama did in regards to bin Laden, the GOP would be lobbying to have his face added to Mt. Rushmore.

vienna

10-25-12, 07:28 PM

I have not read this while thread so this may in the discussion, but talking about cringe-worthy political ads (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U5xWNVJRMt4) :nope:

I don't know where to start on this...

I thought Scott Taylor was not showing his real face due to concerns about the safety of himself and his loved ones. Did a nice payday and, perhaps, an offer of a sinecure if the GOP wins eliminate those fears? I guess when you're raking in money and flogging a book any publicity is "good" publicity (yes, I know, the profits from his book are allegedly all going to charity, but what about his other "enterprises"?)...

And wht exactly is a "Spec Ops Education Fund"? The names the politicians (on both sides) give to their Pac beards is amazing...

Regarding the use of his position as a Navy Seal, there has long been a tradition and an almost unspoken rule that military personnel, particularly officers, do not tarnish the good name and reputation of the services by engaging in political matters while using their rank or affiliation. They particularly do not wear their uniforms when engaging in political matters (Taylor is not wearing his uniform in the ad). If you ever watch military officers testifying before Congress, unless it is regarding a directly military matter, they always wear civilian clothing. The last notable breach of this "rule" was when Oliver North appeared in full regalia to defend his own and the Reagan White House invlovment in Iran-Contra. There was a very rapid backlash in the senior military circles for his breach. The fact that he openly lied, under oath and penalty of perjury, and then bragged about his lies didn't help his standing in the military community. Even as recently as the Libya incident, military officers avoided tainting their services by not wearing uniforms. Taylor does little to add to and may even diminish the legacy of the SEALS and thier mission by injecting himself into partisan politics...

Here in California, I have yet to see even one ad from either side in the campaign; the GOP has apparently given up here and ceded the state to Obama. The California state GOP operation is actually bankrupt due to funds being channeled to PACs and SuperPACs instead of to sate prty headquarters. This may be the future of GOP and Dem politics: nomianl parties with all the power in the hands of the PACs...

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vienna

10-25-12, 07:29 PM

Yikes. Now if GWB had done exactly what Obama did in regards to bin Laden, the GOP would be lobbying to have his face added to Mt. Rushmore.

This is far more true than it is funny... :yep:

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August

10-25-12, 07:31 PM

I have even seen this tactic used in some of the threads and topics in these forums.

Oh really? When was the last time you saw someone back it up with a seven figure reward in these forums? As a matter of fact any monetary reward?

August

10-25-12, 07:34 PM

And speaking of using movies. How about last minute the rewrite of the movie Seal Team 6 to better promote Obamas image by the films new Democrat owner?

Talk about shameless.

Onkel Neal

10-25-12, 08:19 PM

Yikes. Now if GWB had done exactly what Obama did in regards to bin Laden, the GOP would be lobbying to have his face added to Mt. Rushmore.

I have to agree, that would probably be the case.:-?

Buddahaid

10-25-12, 08:50 PM

After reading all these posts, and thanks for keeping things civil, what I find abhorrent in the offer is it is trashy, tasteless, and low class. How much to buy the POTUS? Tune in next week!

Just proves you can't buy class no matter how much you have. :salute:

mookiemookie

10-25-12, 09:54 PM

I have to agree, that would probably be the case.:-?

It's the ol' Swift Boat tactics: turn your opponent's strength into a weakness. Right outta the Karl Rove playbook.

August

10-25-12, 09:59 PM

I don't see why you have to worry about things staying civil. It ain't like anybody here is gonna loose sleep over any of this.

Some of you see this as an attempt to buy the President and I understand where you're coming from but personally if it's for charity and all it involves is publishing my old college transcripts that are going to end up in my personal library anyways I could be had for far far less than 5 mill.

I just see this as no different than the walks and events we've participated in to benefit various charitable causes over the years. Haven't you guys ever walked a few miles to help cure Muscular Dystrophy or sent your mayor into the dunk tank with a well placed ball toss to benefit the Red Cross?

Now you guys can rightly question Trumps motives here but for that kind of cash going to the charity of my choice i'd release whatever personal records he wants then laugh in his ridiculous face as I take his money and make the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation or the Shriners Childrens Hospital have a banner fundraising year. A far better use for the money than sitting in in his bank account I'll tell you that.

Of course this only works if the records don't contain what Trump is hoping to find.

Tribesman

10-26-12, 01:53 AM

I could be had for far far less than 5 mill.

"But its for charity so it makes it alright really" Jimmy Saville(alledgedly)

CaptainHaplo

10-26-12, 08:34 AM

Oh I love this... Did anyone notice how the spin changed?

3 pages of left leaning members all crying about how this is all the birther conspiracy reborn....

The spin on that gets shot to pieces - its about questioning the man's character and honesty. Did he "cheat" to get financial aid?

Suddenly, all the posters who were yelling "BIRTHER, BIRTHER!" suddenly have to change tactics. Oh - well now its just low class and Obama shouldn't do it to because it is a "fishing expedition" that would set precedent.

Really? Ya'll are going to have to try yet another spin angle - because political folks have done "fishing expeditions" for a long time... doing so - and responding or not - is hardly "setting a precedent". Care to make up another one?

You see - this is a question about Character.
Obama promised to be transparent. He promised to run government in a transparent way... He even did a memorandum to that effect.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/

Of course - note the bottom of that document - its legalease for "the above document doesn't mean crap". For a man who wants the vote of the people and claims transparency - its a bit hypocritical to try and keep everything from Libya to Fast and Furious, from Obamacare to college records, away from the people.

You want to talk about setting precedent? If anything - setting a precedent that a man running for president should have an open book on his life is a good precedent for the American people. Sure - every candidate gets the "media exam" - but that has proven to be biased at times. If their history was truly an open book - a lot less politicians would run for POTUS, and those that would (regardless of "side") would be the best of the best in character. America deserves that - don't you think?

Or is it only a requirement when you don't like the other guy's politics. There mere fact that when one claim is debunked, you have to find another way to spin the issue - answers that for us.

Tribesman

10-26-12, 09:41 AM

Birthers:har::har::har::har::har::har:

There mere fact that when one claim is debunked, you have to find another way to spin the issue - answers that for us.

The mere fact is that Trump is respinning long debunked crap, and you still are swallowing it.:rotfl2:
what makes it really funny with your attempt is it was already trashed several pages ago when someone easliy pointed out that your "really not a birther" nonsense was trashed 3 years ago.

But hey just for the fun of it as you claim to be a christian, try justifying trumps nonsense from a moral standpoint:haha:

Talking of changing the spin when the arguement has fallen apart "think of the poor little kiddies as its charity" is the line people took a
fter the rubbish you are still swallowing fell apart several pages ago.
Sorry to let reality interupt your Team R birther rant.:doh:

mookiemookie

10-26-12, 11:01 AM

Birthers:har::har::har::har::har::har:

The mere fact is that Trump is respinning long debunked crap, and you still are swallowing it.:rotfl2:
what makes it really funny with your attempt is it was already trashed several pages ago when someone easliy pointed out that your "really not a birther" nonsense was trashed 3 years ago.

But hey just for the fun of it as you claim to be a christian, try justifying trumps nonsense from a moral standpoint:haha:

Talking of changing the spin when the arguement has fallen apart "think of the poor little kiddies as its charity" is the line people took a
fter the rubbish you are still swallowing fell apart several pages ago.
Sorry to let reality interupt your Team R birther rant.:doh:

Indeed. No one switched sides. It's still birther crap, and not worthy of a response.

"President Obama, do what I say or the dog gets it!"

*silence*

http://richardwiseman.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/kill-this-dog1.jpg?w=620

*BANG* "Why'd you kill that dog, Mr. President?"

Tribesman

10-26-12, 11:33 AM

What about them puppies eh?

Please don't do the dog, you know you will regret it in the morning.

Hottentot

10-26-12, 12:52 PM

What about them puppies eh?

Evil. What else?

Jimbuna

10-26-12, 01:13 PM

Post reports incomimg...can we stay within the acceptable behaviour parameters please.

Buddahaid

10-26-12, 01:45 PM

Oh give me a break, the point of a discussion is to communicate. It became apparent from the discussion that this was likely not about birther hysteria. Excuse me for not holding my hands over my ears and saying la-la-la-la so I can stand my ground no matter how unreasonable.

Jimbuna

10-26-12, 01:53 PM

You have your break and yes I agree, it is good to communicate.

Platapus

10-26-12, 09:12 PM

http://richardwiseman.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/kill-this-dog1.jpg?w=620

I still kick myself for trashing my NatLampCo mags. :/\\!!:/\\!!

Sailor Steve

10-26-12, 11:40 PM

I still kick myself for trashing my NatLampCo mags. :/\\!!:/\\!!
That one was a true classic.

One among many.

And no, I don't have any either, so you're not alone.

Sailor Steve

10-27-12, 03:57 PM

Geetrue, you don't have to be even halfway intelligent to find the answers to the "lies".

1. The birth certificate never says "African-American".

2. Though Kenya was not an independent country until 1963, it was called Kenya starting in 1920.

3. The Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital aquired that name in 1931, not 1961.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

4. It was Obama's mother's father who fought in the war. The president did misspeak on video. He made a mistake. Is that any different than when President Bush senior said on television that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on September 7, 1941? I watched that one myself.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/OBAMA-SR-WWII.htm

You should really double-check your "facts" before repeating them. It's not Obama's people who lied in this case, it was your own "sources", and you repeated those lies.

geetrue

10-27-12, 04:15 PM

Your right Steve ... forgive me.

My only excuse is dial up and old age :oops:

but back to Donald Trump doesn't he have enough money to do his own research?

Buddahaid

10-27-12, 04:23 PM

Of course but that doesn't offer the chance of painting BO in a black light. :D

August

10-27-12, 05:31 PM

Your right Steve ... forgive me.

My only excuse is dial up and old age :oops:

but back to Donald Trump doesn't he have enough money to do his own research?

There's nothing to be found I think. It's all a big bluff that is intended to highlight Obamas lack of transparency. That's why I'd like to see the President call his bluff. 5 million bucks could do a lot of good.

soopaman2

10-27-12, 06:25 PM

So who actually believes this birther nonsense?

My friend John hates Obama outright, but will never spew birther crap. He thinks Trump is a moron yet is still voting for Romney.

No problem with that, just listening to Trump is what makes me laugh uncontrollably.

"Your fired" is his claim to fame, yeah he should represent Americans.

Alot of Chinese jobs at stake in this election.

Sailor Steve

10-27-12, 06:51 PM

Your right Steve ... forgive me.
Not a problem. If I had a dime for every time I've been wrong on these forums I wouldn't be crying about my crappy old computer.

My only excuse is dial up and old age :oops:
I know that one well. I've got a good connection but the rest is going fast. :sunny:

but back to Donald Trump doesn't he have enough money to do his own research?
If he cared about the truth at all he would keep his mouth shut. There's a lot I don't like about Obama, and there's a lot I don't like about Romney. Trump? I feel like Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca. I'd despise him, if I thought about him at all.

soopaman2

10-27-12, 07:15 PM

I like Ike....Uh Obama.

I would rather have a president that is reserved, and not a twitch response guy like Willard.

I at least know where O stands. Romney is a chameleon. Just got to alabama and ask him about abortion or socialized healthcare, then come to NJ and ask the same thing, I bet money you get different answers.

Alot of the reason I liked Bush, you knew where he stood, you knew what he was about.

I miss GW.

God bless Texas.

CaptainHaplo

10-27-12, 08:23 PM

soopa?

Is that compared to Obama? Who talks but has yet to actually give us ANY type of forward looking plan? Or the guy who whispers to the Russians that after the election he can be more "flexible"? Or did you mean how he had a position on gay marriage that changed, then changed back?

They are both politicians. The difference is Obama says one thing, while doing another - all while hurting the people he is supposed to be working for. Romney may be moderate compared to the hardcore right - but at least he has a record of success. Obama only can launch personal attacks against his opponent - because he can not defend his record.

Record of success on a lesser stage vs a record of failure on the biggest stage of all.

I will say it now - the electoral college will be close - but Romney will win the popular vote by at least 5 points. If I am right - I will post an "I told you so". If I am wrong - I will eat my crow in public.

GT182

10-27-12, 10:26 PM

All I can think of those that want Obama to win is they're a bunch of sheep being lead around by their nose. Filled with tall tales of all the great things he would do for us.... that have never happened nor will they. All the the lies he told during his campaign were recorded and have been refered to by many. Many Blacks that thought he was a gift from God have changed their minds and will not vote for him... they want him gone. And quite a few are prominent in our communities across the country. He has not made more jobs, nor has he fixed problems he said he would. Instead he's blamed Bush, like everyone else has. Things have actually gotten worse since Obama took office. And I'm not even going to say a thing about his destroying the US Constitution. Yes I am, one thing. There is no Constitutional amendment giving him the right to dictate health care. And most of the 2007 pages of his Obama crap have nothing to do with health care. Read it and you'll find out for yourselves.

The last straw was Lebanon and the murder of our Ambassador to Lybia, along with all the others with him and those protecting him. I bet you didn't know the Ambassador's dead body was dragged thru the streets. All the top officials.... Obama, Biden, Clinton, Generals, and others... knew exactly what was happening over there in real time, but did nothing to protect our people. Navy Seals were 1 hour away but weren't called in. Then afterwards they lied about it trying to blame it all on a movie the terrorists had watched. Do you know that it's an Act Of War if any of our Embassies in the world are attacked and Americans killed in an attack. Now for lieing and doing nothing to procect them... it's an impeachable and treasonous act.

And you want this Marxist Muslim to stay in office. With what he has planned and with his Obama Care, you'll be lucky if you can walk the streets of American free with money in you pocket to feed your family. It's already been said that if he wins, we will face the worst recession ever and it will possibly be the downfall of the America we have now.

If he wins this election God help us all for being fools.

Morts

10-27-12, 10:33 PM

God i love how some of you Americans get worked up over politics
End of the world this
Disaster that
Armed revolution here
Armed revolution there
:rotfl2:

August

10-27-12, 10:52 PM

God i love how some of you Americans get worked up over politics
End of the world this
Disaster that
Armed revolution here
Armed revolution there
:rotfl2:

You can laugh, but it's worked for us for over 200 years. :yep:

Sailor Steve

10-27-12, 11:05 PM

It's already been said that if he wins, we will face the worst recession ever and it will possibly be the downfall of the America we have now.
Yes, it's already been said by people like you. But if he does get re-elected and by chance none of that happens, will you come back and say you were wrong, or will you just preach our downfall for the next round. Of course the people who disagree with you are sheep. But so are the people who agree with you. Do you have anything different to offer? Do you really think Romney, or anyone else, will save America from the fall you predict? I don't think it will happen. We're better than that.

The problem I have is that people have been saying the exact things you said for the past two hundred years. "If Jefferson is elected, murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will be openly taught and practiced!"

Your tactic is old and broken, and if I really thought either of the candidates was worth two cents I'd be tempted to be driven into Obama's camp just because of preaching like yours. I'll be glad when this is over, just so the noise will stop.

But of course it will never stop. People have to have their sides to hate. And you talk about sheep.

CCIP

10-27-12, 11:20 PM

Yes, it's already been said by people like you. But if he does get re-elected and by chance none of that happens, will you come back and say you were wrong, or will you just preach our downfall for the next round. Of course the people who disagree with you are sheep. But so are the people who agree with you. Do you have anything different to offer? Do you really think Romney, or anyone else, will save America from the fall you predict? I don't think it will happen. We're better than that.

The problem I have is that people have been saying the exact things you said for the past two hundred years. "If Jefferson is elected, murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will be openly taught and practiced!"

Your tactic is old and broken, and if I really thought either of the candidates was worth two cents I'd be tempted to be driven into Obama's camp just because of preaching like yours. I'll be glad when this is over, just so the noise will stop.

But of course it will never stop. People have to have their sides to hate. And you talk about sheep.

Thanks for the sanity Steve, this time you "stole" a lot of what I would say on the subject :up:

And more to the point, people also seem to severely overstate the effect of who's in the office on the actual American economy. As several here on the forums have already noted, there are major signs that the economy is recovering - as part of the natural up-and-down cycle of the market. Both sides are pushing strongly to try and take credit for said recovery. Regardless who is in the office, it appears bound to happen - especially when you consider the fact that, when you strip away the promises and ideology, the way both major parties deal with the market is identical in all but superficial ways.

I think the first step America needs to take is getting rid of apocalyptic thinking about the future and the economy. The sky isn't falling. The next World War isn't about to start. There is a remarkable lot of work to do and leeway to act for responsible people. Reducing it all down to whose butt is occupying the chair in the oval office is superficial, short-sighted and stupid. Which is exactly what both parties appear to want their loyalists to be.

GT182

10-28-12, 12:22 AM

Steve, I don't really care for Ronmey. But I sure as hell don't like Obama and what he's done.

Here's something to read pertaining to Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi: http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=2734278:Topic:419430&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

Hottentot

10-28-12, 12:42 AM

You can laugh, but it's worked for us for over 200 years. :yep:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Candleburning.jpg

Candle: Bringing you light for 2,200 years and counting.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Einzelne_Kerze.JPG

Tribesman

10-28-12, 03:57 AM

And you want this Marxist Muslim to stay in office
:har::har::har::har::har::har:
I don't know if that rubbish is a step above or a step below the normal birther nonsense. But which ever it is its certainly on the same ladder.

Though of course one more thing from that post does have to be pointed out as it is more plain rubbish which some people of all sorts somehow still believe is true.....
Do you know that it's an Act Of War if any of our Embassies in the world are attacked and Americans killed in an attack......no it isn't, plain and simple.

Platapus

10-28-12, 06:56 AM

Things have actually gotten worse since Obama took office.

My investment portfolio would disagree with you.

During the Bush Administration, I hated opening up my quarterly reports. The only investment I had that did not lose money was one that was 100% munibonds and that simply did not change. All of my and The Frau's investment accounts tanked.

The last four years, every single one of my and The Frau's accounts have increased. Sure, they did not grow as much as I like. I would like them to double every quarter! But they are all growing nice and steady for the last years.

Sailor Steve

10-28-12, 10:59 AM

Steve, I don't really care for Ronmey. But I sure as hell don't like Obama and what he's done.
That I can understand, and even agree with to a point. You may well be more honest than most, but I've seen so much of the screaming and yelling and arm waving that it gets hard to tell that from genuine concern.

Romney seems to be much smarter than Bush was, but every time I look at a picture of just about any Republican candidate for any office I keep getting reminded of Nixon. To be honest, both of them worry me, which is why I wish I could vote for None Of The Above.

Wait. I can. And I will. :sunny: