Taliban Demands Unbiased Coverage of Its Attempted Murder of a 14-Year-Old Girl

[mookiemookie]

You wouldn't believe the lamestream media's bias. You shoot one 14-year-old girl in the head and you'll never hear the end of it. So goes the lament of Pakistan's Taliban insurgency following a spate of bad press in mainstream Pakistani outlets related to the jihadists' failed assassination attempt of Malala Yousafzai, a young blogger who dared protest the Taliban's ban on educating girls. Now the Taliban are plotting terror strikes on TV stations and other media organizations, but local newspapers refuse to stay silent.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/10/taliban-demands-unbiased-coverage-its-attempted-murder-14-year-old-girl/58017/

Yes, it's completely ridiculous but what I found interesting is how aware the Taliban are to PR. They're not just some idiot with a rifle that lives in a cave (well, they are that, but not just that), but these guys see the value of public image and media relations. They're doing exactly what politicians in this country do - attempting to use the media to frame their message the way they want to.

[CCIP]

That sounds THIS close to be an article title on The Onion :shifty:

My much bigger problem, actually, is the fact that Pakistan's government has yet to name Taliban when denouncing it's attack. That just strikes me as ridiculous and yet another one in a long line of signs that it's a failed state.

[TLAM Strike]

Unbiased Coverage? How about some Coverage period?

They use to say that "if it bleeds, its leads". Well Islamic fundamentalists kill so many it should be leading the networks all day long.

In September almost a thousand were killed by Jihadists in 200 attacks across twenty countries... and all we saw was the death of one US Ambassador (plus some staff). :nope:

[Takeda Shingen]

The Taliban should pair with Fox. Fair and balanced.

[AVGWarhawk]

There was coverage on this yesterday. If I remember correctly the young lady has been lifted to the UK for medical attention.

[Tribesman]

Unbiased Coverage? How about some Coverage period?

Didn't it make front page headlines for a couple of days where you are? Maybe it was the lead in the world news section.
Just looking in one paper I find over 20 articles on her in the past 8 days.

Yes, it's completely ridiculous but what I found interesting is how aware the Taliban are to PR.
Of course they are aware, they may be crazy fundamentalist nuts but they are pretty savvy. All the while the mujahadeen were fighting and dieing against the Russians the Taliban sat near the border soaking up funds and waiting to take over when the work was done and they could benefit from the remaining chaos.
Sneaky buggers ain't they.

[Jimbuna]

A tad worrying to say the least:


Pakistan's media have expressed alarm at Taliban threats to target journalists after critical coverage of the shooting of Malala Yousufzai.
The 14-year-old education campaigner was seriously wounded as she returned home from school in the Swat valley.
The Pakistani Taliban said it had shot her for "promoting secularism".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19978021

[Tribesman]

A tad worrying to say the least:

yet on the other hand the government put $100k on their heads the imans issued a fatwa against them and the mosques had a national day of prayer for the girl(and the two other shot schoolgirls)

[Cybermat47]

Hmm, so the Taliban are actually public-concious insane killers.
Honestly, I don't see why they bother, seeing as everyone wants them dead.
Still, pretty interesting. Do they have a public relations office cave?

[Onkel Neal]

That sounds THIS close to be an article title on The Onion :shifty:



:haha: Good one!

[eddie]

Wel, Al Qaida is going to help the Taliban clear this up. Its the least they could do!:haha:

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/16/14479572-spy-of-the-west-al-qaida-taliban-struggle-to-justify-attack-on-pakistani-teen?lite

[Jimbuna]

Wel, Al Qaida is going to help the Taliban clear this up. Its the least they could do!:haha:

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/16/14479572-spy-of-the-west-al-qaida-taliban-struggle-to-justify-attack-on-pakistani-teen?lite

LOL :har:

[Jimbuna]

She appears to be recovering well and stood with a little help for the first time this morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20001486

[AVGWarhawk]

I had thought she was in the UK. Really, it's just incredible this has occurred. It is a 14 year old girl. When does it stop?????????

[Jimbuna]

I had thought she was in the UK. Really, it's just incredible this has occurred. It is a 14 year old girl. When does it stop?????????

She is in the UK Chris :yep:

Edit: She is in the Queen Elizabeth hospital in Birmingham.


She is able to stand with help and is writing notes, and although the bullet grazed her brain she has not shown "any deficit in terms of function", doctors at Queen Elizabeth hospital in Birmingham said on Friday.
She was "not out of the woods but is doing very well", said Dr Dave Rosser, medical director of the University Hospitals Birmingham NHS foundation trust.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/19/malala-yousafzai-recovery-doctors

[Skybird]

When does it stop?????????

Strange question. A Vulcan might conclude now that it may derive from not having fully understood the object the question is investigating.

When will light stop to be bright?

It's religion. And they do not pervert their religion - they take it freaking serious. They believe these things for sure, wholeheartly. Light will stop to be bright when there is no more light. Things like cutting off fingers of a girl because she painted her nails, or shooting a 14 year old, will stop when people stop believe such beliefs. People will stop believe such beliefs when adults stop poisening children's minds with them.

Hard to achieve? Absolutely. A generations-project. And you cannot do anything. Either one day they are fed up with their ways all by themselves and got tired of being the anus of the human world, or they will be not and continue to be what they are.

In the meantime you and we should be more concerned with how to prevent that they spill their mind poison into our own home countries more and more.

In Berlin, a group of Turks and Arabs have kicked to death a young man, they kicked his head until he laid still, and then contunued. First media reports mentioned that the attackers were Arabas and Turks. Then it were just men. The last poilcie announcements just spoke of persons. That they were Arabs and Truks, is now completley deleted from medai and readers' awareness.

A Salafist and according to the judge a textbook-example of a highly dangeouds fanatic got sneetnced to six years for having attacked policemen duirtng a demonstration, he stabbed two officers with a sharp knife, they suffered serious cuts in their legs. But in Germany, and so does the police union complain about as well, it has become a habit that the state attorneys say attacks with lethal weapons on policeofficers no longer are seen as attacks with the intention to kill (=murder or slaughter) but as attempted physical attack only. History shows that mostly Muslim violent offenders attacking policemen benefit from this new "tradition". One wonders why this is so? And one wonders why crime suspects with a Mulsim migration background in plice derscriutpions and offiocial announcements as well as in media reports as a rule now get described as "men" only, hiding expolkcitly their Mulsim migration background?

It'S nice that you worry about that young girl. But we are haunted by some very much more dangerous issues in our own countries that are caused by the same ideology and mentality that has that girl ending up being shot. And so far, our only reaction in our own homes is - fear, falling back, acting as if nothing happens. And this development has the potential to break open and crush our nations one day, our freedoms, our historic identity, our cultural heritage, and our ownership of what we call "our land".

[soopaman2]

I would say it is unbiased already.

Oh wait, the taliban wants to play by rules now?

I guess they consider themselves a legit government or something.


Tell your morons to stop blowing up medical and food convoys, and just maybe see women as something more than a rape receptacle, or something that screams when you throw boulders at them for being raped, then maybe I can respect them as a legit government.

Until then, hunt them and their leaders down with drones, and SEALs, like we did Al Quaida.

Give them "Tarletons quarter", once we carpet bomb enough of their terrorist supporting cities, flatten enough mud huts, and they will capitulate, right Japan?

We been too nice to these savages.

Lets take the kid gloves off, and leave the political correct crap at home. We used to call our enemies japs, nips, Krauts and gooks. Now we call them freedom fighters, and make sure not to offend them. God forbid we bomb/mortar a mosque they hid in after killing one of ours.

[Tribesman]

A Vulcan might conclude now that it may derive from not having fully understood the object the question is investigating.


A Vulcan might conclude that you are emotionally deranged on the subject and have to repeatedly lie in order to make your statements seem "logical".
Sorry Sky but no matter how often you repeat your lies they still remain untrue:yep:

But in Germany, and so does the police union complain about as well, it has become a habit that the state attorneys say attacks with lethal weapons on policeofficers no longer are seen as attacks with the intention to kill (=murder or slaughter) but as attempted physical attack only.
Errrr I think you will find that is true in any place with a working legal system. the prosecution had to try and argue that he might have hit a certain part of their legs and knew that he could hit that part of their legs and indeed intended to stab them in that very location for the purpose of severing that artery to cause them to bleed to death.
That why he got put down for wounding with intent instead of attempted murder, So it isn't a "its the muslims " global conspiracy, its just the way the law works for everyone.

BTW those neo nazis in the riot/stabbing incident are those the same ones you were speaking up for the other week, you know the crowd with the hitler youth songs on their website who had the failed invite to Terry Jones?
Just like the salafists ain't they. so if ther salafists are the only real muslims does that mean those neo nazis are the only real germans.

[AVGWarhawk]

Vulcan

This is a character of fiction. However, these people have become automatons. Much like the fictional race of people called Vulcans.

[tater]

The reason I think many people on the secular side (I'm certainly in this group), and the left in particular as a subset of secularists (fewer of us on the "right") is that they as non-believers don't tend to "get" that religious people actually believe the crap in their holy books. As a result, they rush to attribute things to politics, economics, etc, because it is so patently obvious that their holy book is at best silly, and likely repressive, violent, etc, ad nauseum.

In the US at least, the right tends to have many religious people---a different belief without proof to be sure---and they understand completely that these people that believe a different set of ideas actually think they are true. Literally true.

The west has conveniently decided to basically edit out most of judeo-christian holy writing. A sort of Princess Bride "abridged, best parts" edition. I don't know if we'll see the muslim world deciding to simply ignore huge swathes of the koran and hadith when even "moderate" imams like that guy from Switzerland can't be made to say that calling for the death of apostates is some sort of error in their faith. How many christians and jews bother with the penalties for breaking the 10 commandments, for example? Most are pretty unambiguous death penalties in the style we routinely see practiced in places governed by shar'ia.

It has to change internally. Meanwhile, the best defense in the west is to not give an inch in terms of personal liberty and freedom of expression (no censorship of anti-religious speech, and no self-censorship, either). A strict separation of church and state---Jefferson's "wall of separation"---is the best policy. Better to not allow the public high school football team from praying than to create the precedent for some other game in the future having to pause while some player chucks his prayer mat on the field.

In some places the right "gets" islam better than the left, but in other places the right does exactly what the muslims want, too, by advocating too stridently for religion in public life.

[Tribesman]

The reason I think many people on the secular side (I'm certainly in this group), and the left in particular as a subset of secularists (fewer of us on the "right") is that they as non-believers don't tend to "get" that religious people actually believe the crap in their holy books.
The problem there tater is the problematic religious nuts tend to be very selective about what little bits of their books they decide to believe and then top it off by making stuff up.
It isn't that they believe tater its just what parts they choose to believe and which way they choose top believe those parts.
Its why muslims around the world can look at this terrible attempted murder(shooting somone with intent to kill makes it attempted murder funnily enough :03:)and condemn it without question.
Apart of course from the saafii fruitloops which sky and saud says are the only real muslims.

[Karle94]

How can the Taliban expect unbiased coverage when all they do is kill innocent people? They don`t deserve respect and "humane" treatment. What goes around, comes around.

[AVGWarhawk]

The problem there tater is the problematic religious nuts tend to be very selective about what little bits of their books they decide to believe and then top it off by making stuff up.

:yep:


Items are selected that will fit their need at the time or over a period of time. These items are often over-defined to once again, fit the need.

[tater]

All major islamic sects are literalist. Not all people who identify as belonging to them even know this, of course. Just as most christians and jews presumably don't know that the punishment for not honoring their parents is death.

Some is a willful choice to ignore, much is simple ignorance of the faith itself. The trouble is it's right there in black and white. It's "in the book."

I dislike all religion. That said, islam is the worst of the 5 major religions without any question in my mind as currently practiced.

In deeply religious countries of each flavor, which would you rather live in (ranked) as a non-believer (barring conflicts internally)? Christian, Jewish., Islamic, Hindu, or Buddhist? Note that you could do this for beng an atheist, or for holding a religion true that is counter to the official state religion.

I'd put C and B at the top. J would be next with H (Israel is the only jewish state, and minus the muslims it would be little different from the US or the EU as a place to live), though maybe J last. Any muslim country would be last on my list. Yes, there are some nasty places that are christian in africa that I'd not put at the top. They are aberrant, though, like decent muslim places are. I'd be better off in the vast majority of christian countries than muslim.

How about as an open homosexual? That's tougher, since according to an article in The Atlantic I read, Saudi is about the gayest place on earth, lol. Still, if they decided to, they could probably bump you off for it.

How about as a woman?

In any of those ranking 1-5, you could almost put all but islam in 1-4 random order, then rank islam 10th (out of 5).

[Karle94]

The best place to live in would be Norway. There is little resentment towards any religions and all are equal to one another. You can even found your own religion. Norway no longer has a state religion. The community is well balanced between men and women and all relationships, such as gay and lesbian are not hated, you could get frowned upon but not discriminated. This is the majority of course, there are some haters, there alsways are. I myself is not religious, I do not loose status or rights because I have no religion. I am not mocked or discriminated. I have equal respect towards all religions, even those that has done so much bad things like christianity and islam.

[tater]

I meant christendom in general. The US has never had a state religion, for example, but it is none the less a "christian" nation as a significant % of the population claims to be devoutly religious (and the vast majority christian).

If you had to live in a C, J, H, I, or B country chosen at random from one of the religious groups, you'd be a fool not to pick "C" statistically, I think, that or Buddhist.

Anyone thinking they'd be better off in a random muslim country who is not a muslim is, well, insane.

[Tribesman]

All major islamic sects are literalist
Bull.
Thats just you trying to rework your old line that could only work if you redefined the words you use.
Simple example, if a single floridly written piece of nonsense has hundreds upon hundreds of ever evolving interpretations how can even the majority of them be literalist?

[tater]

Bull.
Thats just you trying to rework your old line that could only work if you redefined the words you use.
Simple example, if a single floridly written piece of nonsense has hundreds upon hundreds of ever evolving interpretations how can even the majority of them be literalist?

Which sects are NOT literalist in islam? What % of the faithful belong to those sects.

Sects. Shia, sunni, etc.

What % are NOT literalist?

A few sufis? Maybe 1 million out of 1.whatever billion people, that's how many.

Even sufis believe the koran to be true. The word of god delivered to muhammad. Which sects as official doctrine hold that the koran is a "just-so" story, to be read for moral guidance, but it is not TRUE?

[August]

All major islamic sects are literalist. Not all people who identify as belonging to them even know this, of course. Just as most christians and jews presumably don't know that the punishment for not honoring their parents is death.

Of course by "death" they mean at the end of ones normal mortal existence instead of going on to eternal life in heaven. Not as you're implying that we should start stringing up unruly children.

[Skybird]

Tater,

I am secularist, and atheist, but still I understand perfectly that religious believers indeed tend to believe literally what their dogma tells them: the stronger zealots they are, the stronger their tendency for literalism is - that is the very reason why I hold religions responsible for what they make people to believe. So your remark on secularists not understanding this does not fit me, as far as it may have been aimed at me. Your remark on leftists being a subgroup of secularists, is pointless, however. You could as well mark dictators like Stalin or Hitler a subgroup of bearded men". Haven't there been as evil dictators without beard?

On Islam, what Westerners indeed do not understand - secularists as well as many religious believers - is that the whole Islamic ideology's purpose and idea is to create strength by uniform unity, and total control, and to a stricter and more unforgiving degree than for example in Catholicism - and that already is a mean dog when being given the space to unfold. Islam IS a totalitarian ideology.

What also is highly unwelcomed in the West is to see the validity of the abrogation principle, on which practically all major law schools in Islam agree since the 9th or 10th century on until today. There is consensus on it being binding. This principle says that due to the many contradictive passages in the Quran - which sometimes propose a more friendly and sometimes a more barbaric approach, those passages should be given attention and authority over contradictive parts that were created later, and thus are newer, more "up-to-date". Unfortunately, this has dramatic consequences, because the more friendly parts of the Quran derive from the early Mekkanese phase of Muhammad'S life, while the later, Medinese parts include the more barbaric, racist and aiming at military conquest and subjugation texts, which corresponds with Muhammad then having established his regime, becoming powerfuzl, anbd waging raid after raid and war after war against other tribes in an effort to widen his influence. Islam does not teach peaceful coexistence in Western understanding of "peaceful" and "coexistence", it teaches conquest and subjugation of the other, only then peace and coexistence can be had: peace under the banner of Islam and rule of Sharia, and coexistence in a regime of systematic suppression and mandatory discrimination of women and members of other cultures and faiths who refuse to become Islamic. And now the abrogation principle rules that these barbaric, aggressive parts shall have dominance over the earlier parts. Go figure. Again: this is practically undisputed in all law schools of importance in Islam, and always has been. It is often overlooked, also often intentionally ignored, and as part of tacyja - deception - is hidden from the infidel, they instead get lured or lulled by passages from the early parts of the Quran.

The Quran is not sorted in historic order of creation of the Suras, it is non-chronological. Find one of the versions online where they have sorted the Sura not by length, but in chronological order of their creation. It's a real eye-opener.

There is no moderate and no extremist Islam, there is only one Islam and one Quran, and Sharia. And this is no Islam that is kind and tolerant, peaceful and humane. But there is a lot of confusion over trying to make it look better than it is. The rift between Shia and Sunni has little or nothing to do with this - that rift is deriving from simple powerpolitical rivalry between two too big egos some thousand years ago. Theological disputes had nothing to do with their greed and hunger for power.

[tater]

The biblical punishment are unambiguously mortal death.The method is sometimes specified, unless you are suggesting that they somehow are implying souls are to be stoned to death. The NT on multiple occasions quotes JC saying that "the law" still applies (OT laws).

You are welcome to make up your own interpretation, but it's no more valid than any other (I could interpret the entire thing to be a story created by the spaghetti monster to trick the unfaithful with equal claim to truth). If a large number of people believe the same way, then you have a "sect," I suppose.

BTW, the punishment for taking false gods is not death, it's genocide (some women folk can be left alive to rape, though). Same as for making a graven image.

In the case of islam, it's pretty clear how many biblical/koranic punishments they currently employ (liveleak can show you common punishments in the islamic world, but I've not watched them as you can't un-see things).

[tater]

Skybird, the point was more general, and not directed at you. That should be obvious, because I understand them, and I am also a non-believer as I said.

I think that in general, many who claim a religion, but who are not really immersed in it, and in particular don't belong to a literalist religion assume being a muslim is no different than being a catholic in Connecticut (a "pro-choice" and contraceptive using democratic voter, no less).

[Takeda Shingen]

The biblical punishment are unambiguously mortal death.The method is sometimes specified, unless you are suggesting that they somehow are implying souls are to be stoned to death. The NT on multiple occasions quotes JC saying that "the law" still applies (OT laws).

Disclaimer: I do not have a degree in theology, nor have I ever claimed to in any capacity or form be technically versed in the study of religious texts, be they ancient or modern.

End disclaimer. Content follows.

You also have Jesus Christ saying on multiple occasions that He is the New Covenant, and that salvation is attained through Him. As such, practices such as burnt offering are no longer practiced as man has been instructed to follow the symbolic practice in celebrating the Holy Eucharist. Additionally, Jesus has taught the submission to civic authority (render unto Caesar) in matters of law and civil practice. As such, the prohibition of public stoning is fully supported by the practitioners of Christianity.

[Onkel Neal]

She appears to be recovering well and stood with a little help for the first time this morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20001486

Amazing, yeah? Such bravery for such a young person, and her cause? She wants girls to have a chance at education.

And every day I deal with a hundred spoiled and undisciplined American kids who want anything but education. It's just a matter of time before America falls even farther behind the world in education. :-?

[Takeda Shingen]

And every day I deal with a hundred spoiled and undisciplined American kids who want anything but education. It's just a matter of time before America falls even farther behind the world in education. :-?

Ah yes. Depressing, isn't it? And watch your voicemail explode if you ever try to hold them accountable for their poor effort.

[u crank]

The NT on multiple occasions quotes JC saying that "the law" still applies (OT laws).

On these occasions all of the people involved including 'JC' are Jews. What He is saying is that He did not come to abolish The Law of Moses, but to fulfill it. Which He did. Jesus lived and died a Jew. The New Covenant did not begin until His death. Because something is written in The New Testament does not mean it is part of that New Testament. The new one does not make the old one invalid if you are a Jew. But you cannot correctly live by both. I like the new one. :D

[August]

The biblical punishment are unambiguously mortal death.The method is sometimes specified, unless you are suggesting that they somehow are implying souls are to be stoned to death. The NT on multiple occasions quotes JC saying that "the law" still applies (OT laws)

Literalists are always jerks, regardless of religion or belief and they miss the whole point of the text they quote. But show me where the bible says that if a person takes a false God then he must be put to death.

[mookiemookie]

Disclaimer: I do not have a degree in theology, nor have I ever claimed to in any capacity or form be technically versed in the study of religious texts, be they ancient or modern.

End disclaimer. Content follows.

You also have Jesus Christ saying on multiple occasions that He is the New Covenant, and that salvation is attained through Him. As such, practices such as burnt offering are no longer practiced as man has been instructed to follow the symbolic practice in celebrating the Holy Eucharist. Additionally, Jesus has taught the submission to civic authority (render unto Caesar) in matters of law and civil practice. As such, the prohibition of public stoning is fully supported by the practitioners of Christianity.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17)

[Takeda Shingen]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17)

Ah, but you have to put it in context. Jesus goes on:

Whosoever there shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgement:

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matthew 5:19-22, KJV)

Jesus is referencing the 10 Commandements in the verses that both you and I have posted. Without context, the two verses that you make Jesus appear as an Orthodox hard-liner. With the additional verses that I posted, you see a very different Jesus. He proceeds to extrapolate on the New Covenant and directs makes it clear that his criticism is directed at the Pharasees, who had spurned Jesus.

[AVGWarhawk]

If I keep reading this thread church this Sunday will not be necessary.

[Tribesman]

What % are NOT literalist?

Tater
Its about 90% isn't it.
You are trying the same thing again, literalist means literalist just like fundamentalist means fundamentalist, you cannot make up your own definitions to try and fit to what you want them to say.

Can you see what single word in the passage you quoted which sets out precisely why your attempt on interpretation fails?
Its all in the nature of the text.

Literalists are always jerks, regardless of religion or belief and they miss the whole point of the text they quote.
August has it in a nutshell.


If I keep reading this thread church this Sunday will not be necessary.
Burn you heretic, saturday is the day:rotfl2:

[tater]

90% of Muslims belong to sects that do not believe the Koran to be literally true?

BS.

More like over 90% belong to sects that DO believe the Koran to be the literal, true word of god.

By the definition we use to call Christian whackos "fundamentalist" here in the US, virtually all Muslims are members of a "fundamentalist church."

There is some controversy regarding fundamentalist vs literalist. In general use in the US they are pretty interchangeable. That said literalists are a subset. Some say that fundies aim at inerrancy, while literalists take it all to be literally true even when contradictory.

Islam holds later additions to the text to supersede earlier entires in an attempt at the inerrancy line while keeping literalism, generally. (from my admittedly limited understanding of Islam). Argue semantics on the two words, but nearly all Muslims belong to sects that if Christian we would consider extreme and fundamentalist or literalist.

(typed on phone, hopefully I caught autocorrect issues)

[AVGWarhawk]

Burn you heretic, saturday is the day:rotfl2:

But on the seventh day God rested. On the eighth day he created rock and roll. :D

[Sailor Steve]

And according to George Carlin you're wasting your time going to church and praying. If you had bothered to read the scriptures you would know that it's his day off. God isn't listening to you, he's out playing golf!

[Tribesman]

90% of Muslims belong to sects that do not believe the Koran to be literally true?

BS.

you are right, I should have said 99.9%:up:
Now if you wanted to add a few words into what you wrote and then tag on a huge pile of riders it might make more sense, but then it wouldn't be saying what you want it to say anymore

By the definition we use to call Christian whackos "fundamentalist" here in the US, virtually all Muslims are members of a "fundamentalist church."

No by that definitiion you would get maybe about 10% which is quite a way from "virtually all".
So which do you mean in the US as fundamentalist? the torah compliant, the KJV only, pentecostals or maybe even the Phelps family values?

There is some controversy regarding fundamentalist vs literalist.
As I pointed out, you like to make up your own definitions on those two words to fit your view rather than fitting your view to reality.

Do you understand the nature of the texts?
It may help you to see why what you are trying to say makes little sense it wold also throw up the question of what literalist really means in this field and why they have spent centuries trying to interpret the texts and why the fairly "modern" fundamentalists say that all the other muslims (the 90-95%)are wrong.
Which is funny really on that last bitwhen you consider that that one of the bigger older version of fundamentalists in Islam are widely held to be not muslims at all.
I think you are trying to over simplify a very complex subject while skipping the basics just to get an answer you can like.

[Tribesman]

But on the seventh day God rested. On the eighth day he created rock and roll.
So does that make it thursday as the sabbath because the weekend starts rocking on friday

[AVGWarhawk]

So does that make it thursday as the sabbath because the weekend starts rocking on friday
The eight day would be Monday. Most start rocking Thursday as a primer for the weekend. :D.

[August]

The eight day would be Monday. Most start rocking Thursday as a primer for the weekend. :D.

Not if they got to go to work on Friday morning. You must be talking about that 47% I keep hearing about. :)

[Sailor Steve]

The eight day would be Monday. Most start rocking Thursday as a primer for the weekend. :D.
Actually the eight day is Sunday. Saturday is the Sabbath. Sunday is also The Lord's Day, the day of The Resurrection, which is why Christians worship on Sunday.

[the_tyrant]

The biblical punishment are unambiguously mortal death.The method is sometimes specified, unless you are suggesting that they somehow are implying souls are to be stoned to death. The NT on multiple occasions quotes JC saying that "the law" still applies (OT laws).

You are welcome to make up your own interpretation, but it's no more valid than any other (I could interpret the entire thing to be a story created by the spaghetti monster to trick the unfaithful with equal claim to truth). If a large number of people believe the same way, then you have a "sect," I suppose.

BTW, the punishment for taking false gods is not death, it's genocide (some women folk can be left alive to rape, though). Same as for making a graven image.

In the case of islam, it's pretty clear how many biblical/koranic punishments they currently employ (liveleak can show you common punishments in the islamic world, but I've not watched them as you can't un-see things).


Can you give me the source for this? I somehow question its existance.

[AVGWarhawk]

Actually the eight day is Sunday. Saturday is the Sabbath. Sunday is also The Lord's Day, the day of The Resurrection, which is why Christians worship on Sunday.

Steve, recognize a joke when you read one. To much seriousness in life leads to sour guitar playing. :O:

[eddie]

This the chump who ordered this young girl to be killed. Would love to see him shot in the face too, then shave his beard off, since it means so much to him.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/456780/fazlullah-dossier-shared-with-afghanistan-isaf-foreign-office/

[Sailor Steve]

Steve, recognize a joke when you read one. To much seriousness in life leads to sour guitar playing. :O:
I saw the joke part. The other I thought was an honest mistake, which I honestly pointed out.

I'm not often wrong, but when I'm wrong I'm wrong. Actually I'm wrong a lot more often than that, but when I am I'm still wrong. Am I right?

Oh, and FYI, I can be very unserious and still play as sourly as I don't want to.

[Jimbuna]

I doubt this is the sort of coverage the Taliban want but she is now up and walking as well as talking and has been visited by members of her family :cool:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20093945

[eddie]

That's great news Jim, but I'm still worried about her future, if you can even have one living in the Swat region!

[Jimbuna]

That's great news Jim, but I'm still worried about her future, if you can even have one living in the Swat region!

Yeah, I'm surprised the family have publicly announced she will return to Pakistan when well enough. I certainly wouldn't be putting my trust or faith in their security forces keeping me safe.