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Mrs Clinton said her "primary responsibility" was to keep people safe
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says she takes responsibility for the security failure at the Benghazi consulate that led to the killing of four Americans in Libya last month.
Mrs Clinton said ensuring the safety of US diplomatic staff overseas was her job, not that of the White House.
US Republicans have strongly criticised President Barack Obama over the attack.
And Republican challenger Mitt Romney is likely to raise it again in the second campaign debate with Mr Obama.
"I take responsibility," Mrs Clinton told CNN. "I'm in charge of the state department's 60,000-plus people all over the world [at] 275 posts."
It seems Mrs Clinton is trying to draw criticism away from Mr Obama, who needs a strong debate performance if he is to recover his lead in the polls, says the BBC's Adam Brookes in Washington.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19958739
Note: 16 October 2012 Last updated at 11:24 GMT
Armistead
10-16-12, 10:56 AM
Tis a lil late for this, so it will be see as a political move.
We all know possibly 1000's of possible threats or rumors abound in the world daily and it's hard to get them all right, but considering Libya, the ball was dropped.
She's semi responsible. The White House has the full responsibility to protect US citizens abroad in times of danger to their well being... especially for the American consulates abroad. If this had happened back in the time of Roosevelt it would have been declared an act of war.
mookiemookie
10-16-12, 11:01 AM
If this had happened back in the time of Roosevelt it would have been declared an act of war.
Who do you declare war on if the attacks weren't carried out by the Libyan government?
Takeda Shingen
10-16-12, 11:06 AM
Who do you declare war on if the attacks weren't carried out by the Libyan government?
And that's the whole problem with this Middle East thing. Who would we declare war on? The people that we are trying to keep out of power do not have a nation, or even a national identity.
So she's responsible for the deaths of 4 of our people. When can we expect her resignation?
the_tyrant
10-16-12, 11:26 AM
well, she is taking one for the team. I'm sure team r would be attacking team d in the debates over this, and she just took the hit for it
Who do you declare war on if the attacks weren't carried out by the Libyan government?
You can't as they wear no uniform of any country. They could stand right next to you and you'd never know if they were your enemy or not. Brings you right back to Viet Nam and every war since then. Look at Russa in Afghanistan for 20 years and them finally realisng they couldn't win. Same with the US now, but we haven't learnt from others mistakes. Know too that the Libyan government could have stopped this act, but they didn't. They are also a part of the 'unkowns' mixed in and working along side with the ones waging war on us.
Think about this. We always try to helps those fighting against oppression, only to have them turn on us in the end. Makes no difference if it's a fight against Communism or terrorist rebels in some 3rd world country.
And that's the whole problem with this Middle East thing. Who would we declare war on? The people that we are trying to keep out of power do not have a nation, or even a national identity.
Exactly! When you do not know who it is that wages war on you, you have lost that war right from the start.
well, she is taking one for the team. I'm sure team r would be attacking team d in the debates over this, and she just took the hit for it
What hit? Just saying the equivalent of "oh, my bad" is not taking a hit.
Besides if I were team R I'd still blame Obama loud and often in the debate tonight. Let him go on record as blaming Hillary or the "fog of war" or any other lame excuse because no matter what he'll come off as sounding like he's trying to duck what is ultimately his responsibility.
Tribesman
10-16-12, 11:34 AM
So she's responsible for the deaths of 4 of our people. When can we expect her resignation?
Did any of the other 5 secretaries of State resign when ambassadors who were their responsibility got murdered?
Let him go on record as blaming Hillary or the "fog of war" or any other lame excuse because no matter what he'll come off as sounding like he's trying to duck what is ultimately his responsibility.
True too. She works for him and him alone. He is the ultimate one making US policy, and she carries out his policy... not her own no matter what she thinks to the contrary.
mookiemookie
10-16-12, 11:59 AM
Did any of the other 5 secretaries of State resign when ambassadors who were their responsibility got murdered?
Oh you see, that was different then...
Skybird
10-16-12, 12:04 PM
She's late. The info that the WH turned down armed security and replaced it with local security guards and unarmed American guards to avoid the embassy giving the impression to Libyans to be a bully armed to the teeth, is known since longer. She seems to run a Kamikaze now to destract according accusations aiming at Obama, short before the elections.
They thought they could ignore realities and feedback from experts at location in favor of their superior desktop imaginations and glorious blueprints for a politically correct future. Four people payed with their lives for this excercise in apparatchiks' surrealism.
Tribesman
10-16-12, 12:10 PM
Oh you see, that was different then...
of course:yeah:
Now if billary wanted to shift the blame, she could blame the dumb bucks who blocked the millions of dollars which were supposed to be going for security.
But that would just be silly partisanship like we are witnessing if she blamed team R for stopping the funding
Rockstar
10-16-12, 12:22 PM
And that's the whole problem with this Middle East thing. Who would we declare war on? The people that we are trying to keep out of power do not have a nation, or even a national identity.
Sink the whole United States into another war and nation building exercise just as we are getting out of two others? Forget the flag waving and banners of freedom and democracy crap. Fight like the terrorists send the SEALs over there to and give them a taste of their own medicine under cover of darkness. I dont want to know about it and its cheaper.
AVGWarhawk
10-16-12, 02:29 PM
So she's responsible for the deaths of 4 of our people. When can we expect her resignation?
This last dance for Hillary is the end of the line. I do not blame her. IMO, she was wronged by her party en lieu of current commander and chief. Personally, I think she looks completely wiped out. If BO does get a second term I suspect Hillary will step down. If MR wins Hillary will be replaced anyway. It is a shame what happened in Libya.
So she's responsible for the deaths of 4 of our people. When can we expect her resignation?
And Reagen should have resigned after getting 200 Marines killed in Beirut!
Reagen should have reisgned after the Iran-Contra affair became public. After all, he was in charge!!!
But August, using your words from another thread, that's like comparing apples to oranges. Especially when Republicans are at fault!
And Reagen should have resigned after getting 200 Marines killed in Beirut!
Reagen should have reisgned after the Iran-Contra affair became public. After all, he was in charge!!!
But August, using your words from another thread, that's like comparing apples to oranges. Especially when Republicans are at fault!
Hey maybe they should have resigned, but just because one person gets away with murder does not mean that you give a pass to the next murderer and the one after that does it?
nikimcbee
10-16-12, 03:17 PM
So she's responsible for the deaths of 4 of our people. When can we expect her resignation?
Don't you mean prep for 2016 presidential run? That is some pretty sweet resume candy though.
Facilitates falling on sword for the Leader.
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optimal coverage and support of presidential needs.
Provided hands-on leadership to 4-person team of office associates, along with serving a primary resource for
8 remote plant location's Scales Office Buyer, Purchase Order, and telepromter Booking Coordinator.
Served as back-up for Sales Manager during period of absence, including 6-weeks of annual coverage
during presidential golf vacations.
Vote Clinton (Hillary) 2016.:woot:
From CNN:
Clinton said her mission now is to make sure such an attack will never happen again, and also to ensure the work of American diplomats won't be stopped even in dangerous areas like Benghazi.
I think we just found a new roll for the TSA.
AVGWarhawk
10-16-12, 03:25 PM
She is not running. This office she holds will be her final.
Don't you mean prep for 2016 presidential run?
Funny but I think AVG is right. She's done after this. She'd be 68 by the next election which is pretty old for a trials of a presidential run. Besides she has a whole bunch of skeletons in her closet that would have a major impact on her chances of winning.
CaptainHaplo
10-16-12, 03:41 PM
What suprises me is that many Democrats who support Hillary more than they do Obama don't understand what she just did. She committed political suicide. IF she were to run in 2016, this will fly in her face - she couldn't run a 275 outpost, 60,000+ department of government without failing to keep 4 people safe - her words would doom any chance she would have.
Obama threw her under the bus. Just like he has done so many others. The buck stops with "you", or maybe "you" - or that cat over there - but never with him. So many who support Hillary are just standing there - watching her "bleed out" for the party - and for a guy who not only defeated her in a bitter primary - but who no doubt is the cause of this politically suicidal statement.
How is that hope and change working out for you now? It sure isn't working out for Hillary.
AVGWarhawk
10-16-12, 03:46 PM
Funny but I think AVG is right. She's done after this. She'd be 68 by the next election which is pretty old for a trials of a presidential run. Besides she has a whole bunch of skeletons in her closet that would have a major impact on her chances of winning.
Her entire party abandoned her for a community organizer/Jr Senator. She had every right to win the nomination. Obama was being groomed long before the run was started. Hillary got in the way. For me, it looks like the do-gooders were looking to get into the history books. Much like Pelosi does every time legislation is signed. "We have made history." Oh brother....:doh:
When you play the political game you've got to realise that loyalty does not exist, there is only one goal, power, and if you outlive your usefulness, or if you are more useful as a disposable pawn...then adieos amigo.
Hilary was probably given a choice, either jump under the bus and retain her dignity or be pushed and disappear down the plughole.
That's politics...it's dirty.
Tchocky
10-16-12, 04:33 PM
She committed political suicide.
Hardly. She's not continuing on as SecState and has publicly said so for a while now. This is too far away to be a problem for a possible 2016 run, I doubt this will be a factor if she does run.
IF she were to run in 2016, this will fly in her face - she couldn't run a 275 outpost, 60,000+ department of government without failing to keep 4 people safe - her words would doom any chance she would have. I think you're reading far too much into this. She is the Secretary of State, the State Department and it's staff are her responsibility. They are also the President's responsibility, given that he's responsible for the entire government. What this statement is about is trying to bring the government publicly together after a nasty and messy spat between the West Wing and the Sate Department. Nothing more.
Obama threw her under the bus. Again, I think you're very much overstating the Awesome Hugeness of this statement.
Her entire party abandoned her for a community organizer/Jr Senator. She had every right to win the nomination. Obama was being groomed long before the run was started. Hillary got in the way.
That's quite a dramatic retelling of political history :o. The entire Democratic Party didn't abandon anyone, do you not remember the long drawn-out nomination fight? The one that went on forever? Doesn't look like a pre-planned installation of Obama to me.
I think Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Dennis Kucinich, Joe Biden, Mike Gravel, Sam Brownback and God-save-us-all...Michele Bachmann would all tell you that nobody has a right to win a nomination. Primaries are weird, weird things.
@ Oberon - there's not anything that she could have been threatened with. SHe's leaving the job anyway in a few months.
nikimcbee
10-16-12, 04:40 PM
What suprises me is that many Democrats who support Hillary more than they do Obama don't understand what she just did. She committed political suicide. IF she were to run in 2016, this will fly in her face - she couldn't run a 275 outpost, 60,000+ department of government without failing to keep 4 people safe - her words would doom any chance she would have.
Obama threw her under the bus. Just like he has done so many others. The buck stops with "you", or maybe "you" - or that cat over there - but never with him. So many who support Hillary are just standing there - watching her "bleed out" for the party - and for a guy who not only defeated her in a bitter primary - but who no doubt is the cause of this politically suicidal statement.
How is that hope and change working out for you now? It sure isn't working out for Hillary.
@AVG, August, CH
(I'm not serious with this)
I'll play devil's advocate, why this little incident won't effect her.
She's hooked on the power.
US public has a short memory for democrat scandals.
You'll be labeled a sexist if you bring it up.
Why she won't run in 2016:
She's politically destroyed now, the way is cleared for the bamster's third term. (Remember his strategy, keep your friends close and your enemies closer)
Hilary was probably given a choice, either jump under the bus and retain her dignity or be pushed and disappear down the plughole.
I don't think that's the case Ob. Either way she is done and she had to know that before she fell on her sword.
nikimcbee
10-16-12, 05:02 PM
I don't think that's the case Ob. Either way she is done and she had to know that before she fell on her sword.
See, it's proof.:know: Obama 2016.
Platapus
10-16-12, 05:57 PM
I am really getting tired of these government officials, and corporate managers standing in front of the press proclaiming that they "accept full responsibility".
Accepting responsibility means accepting the consequences. That means resigning or accepting some legal or other consequence.
Unfortunately, "accepting full responsibility" has become an empty phrase. What "accepting full responsibility" really means is "stop talking about it".
I would really like the media to start pinning down these politicians (both parties) when they say this.
Just ask them, on camera, "Please tell us what 'accepting full responsibility' means to you? What exactly are you going to do?" And them watch them squirm like the worms they are.
:nope:
I am really getting tired of these government officials, and corporate managers standing in front of the press proclaiming that they "accept full responsibility".
Accepting responsibility means accepting the consequences. That means resigning or accepting some legal or other consequence.
Unfortunately, "accepting full responsibility" has become an empty phrase. What "accepting full responsibility" really means is "stop talking about it".
I would really like the media to start pinning down these politicians (both parties) when they say this.
Just ask them, on camera, "Please tell us what 'accepting full responsibility' means to you? What exactly are you going to do?" And them watch them squirm like the worms they are.
:nope:
Well said. :salute:
joegrundman
10-17-12, 03:06 AM
This is nonsense actually
it is not Hillary Clinton's position to take responsibility for what happened in Benghazi, and nor is it Obama's fault either.
It is the fault of Libya and those individuals who did it.
The idea that you can provide perfect security for every diplomatic mission is ridiculous. You have already transformed embassies into citadels stuck in the hearts of the lands that make up your global empire, and now you want to do it for every consulate too?
What is perfect security?
That each and every diplomatic mission can withstand an unlimited siege until the army arrives? That each and every diplomat has an armored convoy?
How much do you want to spend on this? Don't you know that your enemies have a strategy? That strategy is, they spend $1,000 on an operation, you spend $100,000,000 trying to prevent it happening again.
Diplomats are at the protection of the host country, and that is all there is to it. It is up to Libya to make sure that those who did it are brought to justice, and if that means bringing in US power to do so, then so be it. But retribution is the correct approach, and not some chimerical belief that the US can for reasonable cost "world-proof" every single diplomat out there.
This is nonsense actually
it is not Hillary Clinton's position to take responsibility for what happened in Benghazi, and nor is it Obama's fault either.
It is the fault of Libya and those individuals who did it.
The idea that you can provide perfect security for every diplomatic mission is ridiculous. You have already transformed embassies into citadels stuck in the hearts of the lands that make up your global empire, and now you want to do it for every consulate too?
What is perfect security?
That each and every diplomatic mission can withstand an unlimited siege until the army arrives? That each and every diplomat has an armored convoy?
How much do you want to spend on this? Don't you know that your enemies have a strategy? That strategy is, they spend $1,000 on an operation, you spend $100,000,000 trying to prevent it happening again.
Diplomats are at the protection of the host country, and that is all there is to it. It is up to Libya to make sure that those who did it are brought to justice, and if that means bringing in US power to do so, then so be it. But retribution is the correct approach, and not some chimerical belief that the US can for reasonable cost "world-proof" every single diplomat out there.
Nobody is asking for a Parachute Infantry Regiment Joe but a Marine security detail in a country with little or no central government with a terrorist presence on the anniversary of 9-11 is not too much to ask for or expect to have.
You might get away with it in New Jersey but this is Benghazi. Common sense dictates that you don't leave your ambassador unguarded which is exactly what happened.
CaptainHaplo
10-17-12, 07:50 AM
I am in full agreement with the words of the odd ducklike creature :D
Tribesman
10-17-12, 08:23 AM
a Marine security detail in a country with little or no central government with a terrorist presence on the anniversary of 9-11 is not too much to ask for or expect to have.
It is too much to ask if people block the funding.
Did someone once say that deadlock in washington is the best thing for the country?
nikimcbee
10-17-12, 08:23 AM
Accepting responsibility means accepting the consequences. That means resigning or accepting some legal or other consequence.
I think she should forfeit her Sec of State pension and benefits and give it to the families.:hmmm:
Tribesman
10-17-12, 08:35 AM
I think she should forfeit her Sec of State pension and benefits and give it to the families.
Did you think that Kissinger should have forfieted his pension, do you think he should have forfieted it again when the next ambassador was murdered?
If he had given it to the first lot that was murdered when he was responsible what could he give to the second lot?
Or is this just more silly team D/R nonsense where the only issue is waving the flag for elephants and donkeys
AVGWarhawk
10-17-12, 08:40 AM
Tribesman, what could be done? Ok, she takes responsibility and walks away. It does not add up.
nikimcbee
10-17-12, 08:43 AM
Did you think that Kissinger should have forfieted his pension,
He's not currently in power, so who cares.
I don't care about blame one way or the other.
The only issue is why they lied for so long about the "spontaneous demonstration." Obama doubled down with his idiotic speech at the UN where he said "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam" in reference to the (ridiculously hamfisted and stupid) youtube video... which we (the US intelligence community) knew immediately (that morning at the latest) was not related to the Benghazi attack.
It was not "the intelligence we had at the time." The CIA, et al have already said a spontaneous demonstration was never on the table as their estimate. Why not just say "we misspoke" and be done with it the next day?
That's what I don't get.
nikimcbee
10-17-12, 08:47 AM
Obama should hold a news conference and say, and as of 9:01 EST, HRC no longer has a job.
This is where Trump would be perfect.
joegrundman
10-17-12, 09:07 AM
Nobody is asking for a Parachute Infantry Regiment Joe but a Marine security detail in a country with little or no central government with a terrorist presence on the anniversary of 9-11 is not too much to ask for or expect to have.
You might get away with it in New Jersey but this is Benghazi. Common sense dictates that you don't leave your ambassador unguarded which is exactly what happened.
yes you have a point, August, and with regards to that particular country, I guess you are right. But I think there are thousands of points in the world at large where a hit on a diplomat could have been made.
Sailor Steve
10-17-12, 09:10 AM
He's not currently in power, so who cares.
His point is that those calling for her to be punished are being one-sided and partisan. It's only the Liberal Democrat who should take a fall, never the Conservative Republican.
His point is that those calling for her to be punished are being one-sided and partisan. It's only the Liberal Democrat who should take a fall, never the Conservative Republican.
No, i'd feel the same way regardless of their politics. He only objects because she's a Democrat. If she were a Republican he'd be calling for her head on a plate.
The question remains: Hillary said she "took full responsibility" for their deaths. Well is that it? Just "oops my bad" with no consequences at all? Oliver North at least lost his job and was put on trial over Iran-Contra and rightly so.
Hillary doesn't even get a reprimand for admitting responsibility in the deaths of four people and it's us who are being "one-sided and partisan"?
Sailor Steve
10-17-12, 09:29 AM
The question remains: Hillary said she "took full responsibility" for their deaths. Well is that it? Just "oops my bad" with no consequences at all?
And it's a valid question. The problem I have is that both sides do it on a fairly regular basis, but they only get bent out of shape when it's the other side's guy.
Oliver North at least lost his job and was put on trial over Iran-Contra and rightly so.
Maybe. Based solely on the way it was done I still see it as an underhanded attempt to get Reagan. Much the same as I see the "Monica" thing. Partisan politics disguised as righteous indignation.
Hillary doesn't even get a reprimand for admitting responsibility in the deaths of four people and it's us who are being "one-sided and partisan"?
Not for calling them on it, but for calling only them on it.
mookiemookie
10-17-12, 09:31 AM
His point is that those calling for her to be punished are being one-sided and partisan. It's only the Liberal Democrat who should take a fall, never the Conservative Republican.
Also conveniently ignored by the partisan attack dogs is that Chris Stevens died of smoke inhalation from a fire started by a rocket attack. Having an increased security detail wouldn't have prevented that.
nikimcbee
10-17-12, 09:32 AM
No, i'd feel the same way regardless of their politics. He only objects because she's a Democrat. If she were a Republican he'd be calling for her head on a plate.
The question remains: Hillary said she "took full responsibility" for their deaths. Well is that it? Just "oops my bad" with no consequences at all? Oliver North at least lost his job and was put on trial over Iran-Contra and rightly so.
Hillary doesn't even get a reprimand for admitting responsibility in the deaths of four people and it's us who are being "one-sided and partisan"?
:/\\k: What August said. If she's gunna fall on the sword, here's the sword, start fallin'. What do they do with/to commanders that loose troops due to leadership incompetence? (Don't say promote them:stare:)
Tribesman
10-17-12, 11:08 AM
Tribesman, what could be done? Ok, she takes responsibility and walks away. It does not add up.
AVG
Few things do add up in life even fewer add up in politics, which is why people need to aim for consistancy in their opinions.
He's not currently in power, so who cares.
Mcbee
If you don't care about what secratary of state does when in office then you can't care what the secratary of state does in office which means you can't complain about it
But I think there are thousands of points in the world at large where a hit on a diplomat could have been made.
Joe.
But wasn't that the point of the planned increase in funding which got blocked.
The question remains: Hillary said she "took full responsibility" for their deaths. Well is that it? Just "oops my bad" with no consequences at all? Oliver North at least lost his job and was put on trial over Iran-Contra and rightly so.
The equivalent to North would be if Hillary sacked some personal assistant from her office and let them carry the can.
Hillary doesn't even get a reprimand for admitting responsibility in the deaths of four people and it's us who are being "one-sided and partisan"?
What is the process for issuing a reprimand to the secretary of state?
Also conveniently ignored by the partisan attack dogs is that Chris Stevens died of smoke inhalation from a fire started by a rocket attack. Having an increased security detail wouldn't have prevented that.
Mookie, given the long running complaints they had about the involvement in Libya I wonder how much louder they would have barked if more Marines had been sent to the country?
Come to think of it isn't it the same crowd who were cheering for Iraq but opposing Libya and now saying they will go for Syria if elected.
2 actions that were not thought through and one potential one, and the only difference in "thought" on it for those people is donkey or elephant
Not for calling them on it, but for calling only them on it.
Well if Romneys Sec of State takes responsibility for a similar incident (God forbid it happens) then consider this as a preemptive call out.
Sailor Steve
10-17-12, 11:12 AM
Fair enough. I'll hold you (and McBee) to it. But I won't count on hearing it from Rush or Glenn.
On the other hand of course Hillary's own side is defending her, or at least trying to whitewash it.
Also conveniently ignored by the partisan attack dogs is that Chris Stevens died of smoke inhalation from a fire started by a rocket attack. Having an increased security detail wouldn't have prevented that.
And how would you know?
Security details are a lot more than just a few armed guards manning the walls. Perhaps they would have prevented the rocket from being fired. Perhaps they would have had enough people to fight the fire or move the ambassador and his party out of danger before it got to that point.
Sounds to me like you're just making lame and partisan excuses for what is obviously a huge security gaffe just because it's your side that's responsible.
nikimcbee
10-17-12, 02:35 PM
Fair enough. I'll hold you (and McBee) to it. But I won't count on hearing it from Rush or Glenn.
On the other hand of course Hillary's own side is defending her, or at least trying to whitewash it.
I don't think we're on the same page. Partisanship has nothing to do with this. HRC took responsibility for it, so she needs to pay the bill. Obama needs to fire her butt, or give her a broom and a dustpan and ship her to Libya to clean up the mess.
nikimcbee
10-17-12, 02:38 PM
...either that or don't take responsibility for it.
nikimcbee
10-17-12, 02:45 PM
Mcbee
If you don't care about what secratary of state does when in office then you can't care what the secratary of state does in office which means you can't complain about it
Thanks for mis-quoting me. I care what the current SoS does, as they can be held accountable. It doesn't matter what a SoS did 40 years ago, 60 years ago, 154 years ago, because there's nothing they can do about it now.
Tribesman
10-17-12, 03:16 PM
Thanks for mis-quoting me.
I quoted your post word for word, it is called quoting.
If you didn't write it exactly as it was written then inform the forum admins that your account has been hacked
I care what the current SoS does, as they can be held accountable. It doesn't matter what a SoS did 40 years ago, 60 years ago, 154 years ago, because there's nothing they can do about it now.
The system works like it always has, the current secretary is being held equally as accountable as the others were.
The Kissinger example simply highlights how you didn't think your post through.
If you want a more recent example in another vein are you going to call for Powell to hand over his pension to dead peoples families because of events when he was in office?
Sailor Steve
10-17-12, 03:51 PM
Partisanship has nothing to do with this.
Then why do you invariably take the same side on all political issues?
nikimcbee
10-17-12, 03:56 PM
Then why do you invariably take the same side on all political issues?
So you're saying I'm consistant then?:up:
nikimcbee
10-17-12, 04:02 PM
I quoted your post word for word, it is called quoting.
If you didn't write it exactly as it was written then inform the forum admins that your account has been hacked
The system works like it always has, the current secretary is being held equally as accountable as the others were.
The Kissinger example simply highlights how you didn't think your post through.
If you want a more recent example in another vein are you going to call for Powell to hand over his pension to dead peoples families because of events when he was in office?
Did Powell admit responsibility for somebodies death? Please post confession.
nikimcbee
10-17-12, 04:07 PM
I think she should forfeit her Sec of State pension and benefits and give it to the families.:hmmm:
Mcbee
If you don't care about what secratary of state does when in office then you can't care what the secratary of state does in office which means you can't complain about it
Looks word for word to me.:har:
Sailor Steve
10-17-12, 04:44 PM
So you're saying I'm consistant then?:up:
:rotfl2:
Always a silver lining. Jason, I loves ya! :sunny:
Tribesman
10-17-12, 04:49 PM
Did Powell admit responsibility for somebodies death? Please post confession.
Yes thousands of them, it was as he put it the blot in his long career.
Though of course his succesor avoided being called to task for her responsiblity by claiming executive privilige.
Were you up in arms then demanding they lose their pensions?
There is still time for you to call them out over it.
Looks word for word to me.
So when you are on a failing streak you resort to lying.
Perhaps you should enter politics.
Word for word just to make it plain for all to see that you are lying.
He's not currently in power, so who cares.
He's not currently in power, so who cares.
just to be sure I will again quote every word you wrote in the post I quoted.
He's not currently in power, so who cares.
Damn you were right, I made it up and it wasn't you who was quoted:rotfl2:
Congratulations on sinking to such a level, you can now qualify for political office for either the elephants or the donkeys due to your willingness to plainly lie when things are not going in the direction you want.
The only security (reasonable security you could expect for a consular office) likely would have not helped as far as I can tell. The real issue is why did the administration lie about the attack for many days. They said right away they'd increase security at other embassies, but within a few days, a black flag (AQ?) was flying over 1 or 2 US facilities in the ME as I recall (over a burning US flag in one picture I saw). Clearly the post-Benghazi increased security, to borrow from the President was "not optimal."
Obama did NOT say Benghazi was a terrorist attack on the day after in the Rose Garden, that was a general statement in context. His administration then went on all the Sunday programs, and many other appearances and said the attack came out of demonstrations against the ridiculous youtube vid. This was reported as a coordinated, terrorist attack within 24 hours by the CIA station chief in Libya. It was known from the start there was NO demonstration in Libya at all regarding the vid.
This continual lying makes so little sense. Attacks by AQ or allies of AQ are not that atypical in Afghanistan, and take US lives. Perhaps they don't want the picture of the "arab spring" to be one of islamists rising right before the election?
Regardless of party, americans in my experience prefer plain talk, and honest answers, even if a "we screwed up." Obama would have been better to play it that way, IMHO.
AVGWarhawk
10-19-12, 10:32 AM
This continual lying makes so little sense.
It made sense to his campaign managers.
It made sense to his campaign managers.
His relying on moderator defense (inaccurate as it was) is gonna bite him Monday.
nikimcbee
10-19-12, 02:36 PM
Well, time to send Bill in. He'll fix it.:haha:
So a few days have passed since Hillary's declaration of responsibility but still nothing. No punishment, no censure, not even the optimal adjustment Obama talked about. No consequences at all for a government screwup that got 4 people killed.
Obama lied and people died.
The lying happened after the dying.
I think the underlying reason for the continued lying is that this is the logical endpoint of his policy towards the muslim world as set forth in his Cairo speech. Apologize. That's the policy. His embassy in Cairo did the same regarding the video. They preemptively apologized for freedom of expression. Obama went to the UN and actually said the future should't belong to people who insult islam. The future should belong to exactly the people who would insult idiotic sets of beliefs held true without evidence. In a world of WMD our future in fact depends on marginalizing those types of people, regardless of religion, but these days particularly islam should be singled out for abuse as it deserves such abuse.
AVGWarhawk
10-19-12, 06:35 PM
It was an attempt to cover up a very bad situation on his watch during a critical time in his re-election bid. Nothing more. It is plain to see as Hillary took the fall.
It was an attempt to cover up a very bad situation on his watch during a critical time in his re-election bid. Nothing more. It is plain to see as Hillary took the fall.
Well the coverup might be understandable depending on ones politics but to allow such a no brainer situation to occur speaks very critically of the administrations competence in this area.
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