Ministers reach referendum deal [Archive]

Jimbuna

10-13-12, 08:50 AM

So it now looks like a referendum on Scottish independance will take place before any on the UK remaining in the EU.

I doubt Alex Salmond will get the vote he so desperately craves but if it were to happen I expect him to take with him his share of the UK debt.

Ministers from the UK and Scottish governments have reached a deal over the independence referendum.
BBC Scotland understands the final issues outstanding between the governments were resolved on Friday afternoon.
Scottish Secretary Michael Moore spoke to Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon by telephone.
Prime Minister David Cameron and First Minister Alex Salmond are to meet on Monday to sign the agreement.
The referendum is to be held in the autumn of 2014.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-19928013

There are many stories and rumours currently out there but one that narks me is that Mr Salmond expects the UK to provide security/defence for the whole of the UK island.

No thanks Mr Salmond, please feel free to close the nuclear sub base as well because we'll transfer everything back to England, as well as the jobs.

STEED

10-13-12, 11:34 AM

I doubt Alex Salmond will get the vote he so desperately craves but if it were to happen I expect him to take with him his share of the UK debt.

As if jim, the idea of HS2 going further up to his neck of his woods got. :up:

Then followed would Scotland pay its share. :down:

BossMark

10-13-12, 12:18 PM

Latest Willy Hills odds for a Scottish referendum on independence
For 7/1

Against 1/16

STEED

10-13-12, 12:21 PM

Is Alex the phantom Glasgow streaker and what are the odds on that.

Catfish

10-13-12, 12:32 PM

BossMark

10-13-12, 12:35 PM

Is Alex the phantom Glasgow streaker and what are the odds on that.
1\100 :haha:

Jimbuna

10-13-12, 01:03 PM

Is that really serious, i mean scottish independence and separation from .. well from what ? The 'Commonwealth' ?

I mean it sure was not noce how the woods vanished and the people were forced to give away their ground for sheep, the whisky 'wars' etc., but this was ages ago ?

:huh:

The Scottish Nationalist Party (SNP) are indeeed deadly serious but I can't honestly see why breaking up the union would be of benefit to either sde of the border.

Herr-Berbunch

10-15-12, 05:15 AM

Part of me wants it to happen, just so we can turn round and laugh at the delusion of it all. But I have quite a few friends from up there and I wouldn't want to put them through it, I only know of one that says he wants independence - doubt he really means it though.

Another reason would be to hopefully quell the Welsh/Cornish from wanting unworkable independence.

Now if we could just annex off Norfolk . . . :hmm2:

Herr-Berbunch

10-15-12, 09:39 AM

Just posted on FB by a very scottish former colleague -

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8536/facebook820507585.jpg

Jimbuna

10-15-12, 10:42 AM

^ LOL :)

BossMark

10-15-12, 01:31 PM

Just posted on FB by a very scottish former colleague -

Cant see any difference they must be twins :haha:

mapuc

10-15-12, 03:14 PM

the figure to the left is Yabba the Hut and he's real. He lives on a planet far far away from us.

The person on the right is nothing more than an imagination of the english and the scottish peoples fantasy.

Was I correct?? what do I win??

Markus

Sailor Steve

10-15-12, 03:17 PM

Yabba
Jabba is spelled with a 'J', not a 'Y'. Ask any Yugoslavian. :O:

mapuc

10-15-12, 03:24 PM

Jabba is spelled with a 'J', not a 'Y'. Ask any Yugoslavian. :O:

You are correct, I was so sure about it, that I never bother to check the spelling.

Markus

Betonov

10-15-12, 03:53 PM

Well, we former Yugoslavs write Yugoslavia as Jugoslavija :O:

And Jabba (as pronounced in English) is the same phonetic sound as ***273;aba, which means free of charge or useless in urban talk

Sailor Steve

10-15-12, 04:03 PM

Well, we former Yugoslavs write Yugoslavia as Jugoslavija :O:
I know. That's why I intentionally spelled it the way I did...as a joke.

Betonov

10-15-12, 04:12 PM

[bad slavic accent] You think of Yugoslavia as a joke :stare:

We also write America as Amerika :O:

Sailor Steve

10-15-12, 04:23 PM

Oh, man, how'm I gonna get outta this one?

:D

mapuc

10-15-12, 04:27 PM

Oh, man, how'm I gonna get outta this one?

:D

Blame it on me, if I havent misspelled Jabba the Hut wrong, then you had not been "forced" to correct me :O:

Markus

Penguin

10-15-12, 04:59 PM

+++++++ news ticker ++++++++++
Belgrad, 16/10/2012

The former states of Slovenia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Croatia decided to reunite again and form the Republic of Yugolslavia 2.0.

The new President, who calls himself Betitonov, stated to Pengu News:
"We thought we had nothing in common anymore until we realized that we are united in the hatred against a certain element from the Amerika who called us a joke."

:sunny:

Herr-Berbunch

10-15-12, 05:22 PM

+++++++ news ticker ++++++++++
Belgrad, 16/10/2012

The former states of Slovenia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Croatia decided to reunite again and form the Republic of Jugolslavia 2.0.

The new President, who calls himself Betitonov, stated to Pengu News:
"We thought we had nothing in common anymore until we realized that we are united in the hatred against a certain element from the Amerika who called us a yoke."

:sunny:

Fixed

Catfish

10-15-12, 05:24 PM

^:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

Sailor Steve

10-15-12, 05:35 PM

Blame it on me, if I havent misspelled Jabba the Hut wrong, then you had not been "forced" to correct me :O:
But you only insulted a fictional character. The former Jugoslavians are real people.

Or so I'm told. Haven't seen much evidence. :p2:

Betonov

10-16-12, 02:07 AM

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Now there's a barrel of laughs early in the morning :D

The Yugoslav people are a myth though. You got Serbs, Bosnians, Croats, Slovenes...
There was never a Yugoslav nation, only Yugoslav nations

Hottentot

10-16-12, 03:32 AM

Oh, man, how'm I gonna get outta this one?

You cultural imperialists deserve that.

I mean, I'm sick and tired of you spelling the name of my country constantly wrong too. The proper spelling is S-U-O-M-I not F-I-N-L-A-N-D. How you manage to confuse all the time those two words that don't look the same at all is really beyond me. :roll:

This is serious business, OK. :stare:

Penguin

10-16-12, 05:56 AM

The Yugoslav people are a myth though. You got Serbs, Bosnians, Croats, Slovenes...
There was never a Yugoslav nation, only Yugoslav nations

Oh, I disagree! Maybe there are none in the Balkans :O:, but I grew up with "Jugos". Given, some were born here, but when being at their parents, most called themselves Yugoslavs. To me, exotic places like Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia have not been been much different as when a German says he's from Bavaria or Hamburg: more describing a region than an ethnicity.
If I recall correctly, the highest percentage of people who said they are Yugos was in Bosnia, with about 20% of the population.

Given, today, only a few Balkanese-Germans call themselves Jugos, occasionally you'll still find one (mostly the older)

You cultural imperialists deserve that.

I mean, I'm sick and tired of you spelling the name of my country constantly wrong too. The proper spelling is S-U-O-M-I not F-I-N-L-A-N-D. How you manage to confuse all the time those two words that don't look the same at all is really beyond me. :roll:

This is serious business, OK. :stare:

Oh, what shall I say, us Deutsche are called Germans, Allemans, Saxons, many other names, mostly after ancient tribes. :06:

But I try to spell your country right:

Ö-S-T-R-A S-V-E-R-I-G-E
:sunny:

*runs into his atomic shelter* :D

TarJak

10-16-12, 06:10 AM

So when they get their independence, do we start calling Scotland Pictland? Or are there none of them left?

Hottentot

10-16-12, 06:37 AM

us Deutsche are called Germans

Not at all the same thing. The English language does have a word for you that is only slightly misspelled. It's written D-U-T-C-H.

Herr-Berbunch

10-16-12, 06:45 AM

FRY? Let's not forget Kosovo, and another one called Novisad? I'll check . . .

Ah, Novi Sad is the capital of the autonomous province of Vojvodina (thank you Wikipedia!). Strange, I knew the capital but not the region.

So where do we lump the Albanians and the Macedonians? :O:

Finland? Suomi? I'll call it Finland, and you can Sue Me. :D

Sailor Steve

10-16-12, 06:48 AM

...do we start calling Scotland Pictland? Or are there none of them left?
How about "Wedontwearskirtsandpaintourselvesblueanymoresogeto utofourfaceland!"?

Betonov

10-16-12, 06:49 AM

So where do we lump the Albanians and the Macedonians? :O:

The Macedonians as former Yugoslavs and the Albanians somewhere walled and barbwired

TarJak

10-16-12, 06:51 AM

The Macedonians as former Yugoslavs and the Albanians somewhere walled and barbwired

Ahh you mean Belgrade?:D:O:

Betonov

10-16-12, 06:53 AM

Ahh you mean Belgrade?:D:O:

UUUUUUU, that's hiting below the belt :D

If I was a Serb that is :O:

Hottentot

10-16-12, 06:54 AM

Finland? Suomi? I'll call it Finland, and you can Sue Me. :D

A funny thing, the Koreans also call this country "Finland". That was about the only thing I could understand when I heard them talking to each other and confirmed it from them. Then I learned that they don't call their country "Korea" like we do in Finnish and English, but "Hanguk".

I blame you Britons. First you went there with your silly wooden sailing ships and lied to them that we are called Finland, then you came back with your silly wooden sailing ships and lied to us that they are called Korea. Because of your ancestors I have been calling a distant country wrong for all my life without even knowing it, and so have they. I hope you are happy now. :stare:

Herr-Berbunch

10-16-12, 07:15 AM

If I was a Serb that is :O:

You mean you're not? :hmmm:

I know about half of the cars in Kosovo in 1999 were stolen from Germany, still had german plates and the D badge.

Penguin

10-16-12, 07:17 AM

Not at all the same thing. The English language does have a word for you that is only slightly misspelled. It's written D-U-T-C-H.

touché! :)

Those weird USAnians often confuse this, which makes it easy for people like me to tell them about our strict wooden shoe laws in Dutchland - no wood, no service. :D

Betonov

10-16-12, 07:18 AM

You mean you're not? :hmmm:

Who knows. I'd suspect I'm more Bosnian than serb descent, considering I work the grill like I was born with it :O:

Herr-Berbunch

10-16-12, 07:28 AM

Who knows. I'd suspect I'm more Bosnian than serb descent, considering I work the grill like I was born with it :O:

Do I have to be either of those to get that? :hmm2:

Betonov

10-16-12, 07:29 AM

Do I have to be either of those to get that? :hmm2:

Yes :D

Jimbuna

10-16-12, 09:05 AM

So when they get their independence, do we start calling Scotland Pictland? Or are there none of them left?

Call them anything.....but English :03:

Herr-Berbunch

10-16-12, 09:24 AM

Hey, Bet! Seeing as this thread is so far off topic that Felix Baumgartner is planning on jumping from it, can you tell me what this says -

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8219/kosovo0024edit.jpg

And it's is only looking at these pics today I've noticed the vehicle on the right! :o

Betonov

10-16-12, 09:38 AM

BALKAN AUTO :haha::haha::haha:

Garion

10-16-12, 09:49 AM

Call them anything.....but English :03:

Yoo can call us The Nac Mac Feegle. :arrgh!:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nac_Mac_Feegle

Cheers

Gary

Herr-Berbunch

10-16-12, 10:39 AM

BALKAN AUTO :haha::haha::haha:

Now you say it it looks obvious! :oops:

I think it should be renamed to the Bombed Balkan Auto.

Jimbuna

10-16-12, 11:16 AM

BALKAN AUTO :haha::haha::haha:

Is that it parked on the far right? :hmm2:

Herr_Pete

10-16-12, 12:40 PM

Alex Salmond is a baked potato! we can't trust him!

The SNP are nothing without him. The trade is still open chaps! Salmond for Cameron.

mapuc

10-16-12, 01:45 PM

Back on track

Can Scotland be without England and can England be without Scotland?

Markus

MGR1

10-16-12, 03:40 PM

Back on track

Can Scotland be without England and can England be without Scotland?

Markus

The hardliners on both sides would say yes.

In reality, I, personally, think NO! Especially not with the economy in the shape it is now - we've more important things to worry about, TBH.

BBC Scotland had set of street interviews on the news last night and the main thing that comes across from them, and people I know, is we want FACTS, ALL of them, not rhetoric, before we vote.

As an aside, apparently, the Welsh First Minister isn't a happy bunny. He doesn't support the idea of an independent Scotland. He believes it would cause an imbalance in Westminster that would cause problems for Wales. The assembly in Northern Ireland is also watching closely, although, ironically, Sinn Fein are trying distance themselves saying don't get involved!

I've always believed that all parts of the UK should have devolution. That means a new ENGLISH parliament, completely separate from Westminster, for purely ENGLISH affairs. Leave Westminster as a purely federal body, akin to how Australia and Canada are set up? It also cures the problem of Scottish MPs being able to vote on affairs in England & Wales, whilst their English and Welsh counterparts are unable to do so for matters in Scotland.

Mike.:hmmm:

Jimbuna

10-16-12, 03:43 PM

I still honestly can't see Scotland breaking away.

MGR1

10-16-12, 03:44 PM

I still honestly can't see Scotland breaking away.

I don't think it will, Jim - it's a baaaad idea.

Mike.

mapuc

10-16-12, 04:03 PM

Even though I do not know the Scottish people, I do know that they aren't different from other people around the world

When it comes to sport and the patriotism to the persons country, state or area, a person thinks with his heart

Markus

Herr_Pete

10-16-12, 10:26 PM

I don't think the Union will break but what I am seriously worried about is 16-17 year olds getting the vote as this for me is what could swing it in his favour. All he would have to do is have Braveheart on the TV for the entire day before the election and he would have the vast majority of the teen on his side.

but I agree that we want to see the facts. I have biased bull**** from the SNP and I have biased bull**** from Westminister and you simply can't trust any of the figures.

Keep the Union!!

Penguin

10-17-12, 05:19 AM

As we see similar happening in Spain, where Catalonia also wants to opt out, I wonder how much it also has to do with the current state of the EU. The tensions with London/Madrid have certainly always been there, but I ask myself how much animosities against Brussels also play a role.

Jimbuna

10-17-12, 08:26 AM

Jimbuna

10-22-12, 08:18 AM

The crazy talk continues....the SNP have voted to join the nuclear-based military Alliance NATO but have also vowed to bar nuclear weapons from its territory, should it gain independence.

Time to rebuild Hadrians Wall ten times higher than it was initially and ignore any pleas for help when the north is invaded :)

The leader of the SNP has said that if his party won power in an independent government it would make nuclear weapons illegal.
Alex Salmond told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show that Trident, which currently resides at Faslane Naval base on the Clyde, would have to go.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20020839

Herr-Berbunch

10-22-12, 08:33 AM

More jobs for the English folk :woot:

Hopefully I can convince the missus to holiday on the West Coast and/or the Caledonian Canal before we need passports. :rock:

Jimbuna

10-22-12, 08:46 AM

More jobs for the English folk :woot:

Hopefully I can convince the missus to holiday on the West Coast and/or the Caledonian Canal before we need passports. :rock:

I'm wondering if both sides will continue to accept each others banknotes or if Scotland would adopt that funny Euro currency everyone seems so intent on getting rid of.

Herr-Berbunch

10-22-12, 09:21 AM

I'm wondering if both sides will continue to accept each others banknotes or if Scotland would adopt that funny Euro currency everyone seems so intent on getting rid of.

I'm sure that's Big Al's intention, to join the Euro, so the rest of the continent can dig them out of the big financial hole he wants to dig.

Why don't the English get a vote?

Jimbuna

10-22-12, 10:02 AM

I'm sure that's Big Al's intention, to join the Euro, so the rest of the continent can dig them out of the big financial hole he wants to dig.

Why don't the English get a vote?

The only vote the English need is to affirm how much of the national/union debt the SNP will have to pick up on leaving, should they win their reforendum.

I sincerely hope the daft buggas don't think they'll be leaving with a clean slate :D

geetrue

03-21-13, 09:58 PM

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/21/17402344-remember-september-scotland-sets-date-to-vote-on-independence-from-uk

Remember September: Scotland sets date to vote on independence from UK

Vote set for September ... article says 30% for and 50% against, but that could change you know :yep:

Jimbuna

03-22-13, 08:17 AM

The politicians on both sides will have their work cut out now.

Skybird

03-22-13, 08:52 AM

If Scotland wants independence, so be it. But it should be sure that it can afford it. Claiming independence but expecting others to pay for one's bills would be an insult to the other, and clear evidence that one is not independent.

Skybird

03-22-13, 09:01 AM

I'm sure that's Big Al's intention, to join the Euro, so the rest of the continent can dig them out of the big financial hole he wants to dig.

Why don't the English get a vote?
What vote should that be? Whether they want to let the Scots leave peacefully without starting a war?