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Gerald
10-12-12, 02:35 PM
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Afghan, U.S. troops at Jaghatu Outpost. (Lorenzo Tugnoli/For The Post)

JAGHATU, Afghanistan — The platoon sergeant poses a simple question to the men of 3rd Platoon: “What do you consider success on a mission?”There is an uneasy silence in the dark chow tent. In a few months, the U.S. Army will bulldoze its portion of the base, part of America’s slow withdrawal of combat forces from Afghanistan. All that will remain here in this isolated place is a small Afghan army camp and a mostly empty government building with a mortar hole in its roof, the sum total of 11 years of U.S. counterinsurgency efforts in this district 65 miles south of Kabul.

Sgt. Gary M. Waugh, a soldier on his second Afghan tour, takes a stab at answering the question. “Us not doing a thing,” he says. “Not firing our weapon.”A few of the soldiers rest their chins on the butts of their rifles. A diesel generator drones in the background as the platoon sergeant surveys his men.

“Right answer,” he replies.America’s war in Afghanistan has consumed close to $500 billion and cost more than 2,000 American lives. By December 2014, the last American combat troops are scheduled to leave the country. American-led combat operations are expected to finish by the middle of next year. But the war is already ending at little outposts throughout Afghanistan as the U.S. military thins its ranks and tears down bases.

How does a war end? In Jaghatu, these soldiers are learning one way. It ends with resignation, isolation, boredom and the soldiers of 3rd Platoon striding out of the chow tent and into the bright light of a warm September day. Now that they had defined mission success they had another question: What exactly was the mission anymore?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/a-platoon-awaits-end-of-afghan-war/2012/10/12/afe31b8e-1259-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/a-war-ends-in-a-remote-afghan-outpost/2012/10/12/fde2ad52-148b-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_gallery.html

Note: 7:30 PM ET

Oberon
10-12-12, 03:25 PM
If it can end without the same sort of scenes as was seen in Saigon in 1975, then I think we can be considered lucky. Since the Taliban isn't an organised army in the manner the NVA was then I think it'll be a fairly organised handover of control. Followed by about two years of insurgency, a civil war, and the collapse of government back into the hands of the Taliban...well...I say two years, it could be two months, but I think that if the Taliban move that quickly then the USAF will have some work given to it.
Either which way, this isn't the end of the war, it's just another phase in it. There's still going to be Allied troops in Afghanistan, not as many, but they're still going to be there and they're still going to get killed.

eddie
10-12-12, 03:43 PM
If the Afghans don't want the Taliban to take over again, then they better fight! Its not our job to stay there forever, nor the UK's or any other Ally who has men and women serving there.

BossMark
10-12-12, 03:46 PM
Not sure at all how this is going end at all, but its about time our troops were with drawn as it is a total senseless loss of young life.

GT182
10-12-12, 04:55 PM
I say it ends by the US finally learning one lesson..... Stay out of a war you know you can never win. The Russians finally learnt that after 20 years of a fight they couldn't win. Too bad we didn't learn that from them and Viet Nam.

Takeda Shingen
10-12-12, 05:24 PM
This should never have gotten to the point we are at now. Our reason for going into Afghanistan was to get the people behind 9/11. What it became was another nation-building exercise and we all can see how those end up. Once we turned that corner, this sort of end was inevitable. All the bad guys had to do was sit back and wait for us to leave, which they did. We can give a date for withdraw or not, it doesn't matter. They've got eyes on the ground and can see us leave.

Jimbuna
10-12-12, 05:53 PM
If the Afghans don't want the Taliban to take over again, then they better fight! Its not our job to stay there forever, nor the UK's or any other Ally who has men and women serving there.

Precisely....leave them to what they are are prepared to stand up for.

Oberon
10-12-12, 07:35 PM
I found this an interesting read when it came up on the BBC a while ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19634728

Let's hope that this go around lessons have been learnt and will stay learnt.

eddie
10-12-12, 08:15 PM
Thanks for that Oberon, a very good read!:up:

GoldenRivet
10-12-12, 08:28 PM
a war ends when you crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and you hear the lamentation of their women.

TLAM Strike
10-12-12, 08:31 PM
I found this an interesting read when it came up on the BBC a while ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19634728

Let's hope that this go around lessons have been learnt and will stay learnt.

Very good article there Oberon, I agree with him.

All we have given the Afghan people is that we have removed a sadistic, Islamist government and replaced it with a corrupt and incompetent Islamist government. :nope:

TLAM Strike
10-12-12, 08:34 PM
a war ends when you crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and you hear the lamentation of their women.

Not sure if von Clausewitz
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or Muhammad

GoldenRivet
10-12-12, 08:40 PM
Not sure if von Clausewitz
http://imageshack.us/a/img35/1174/frylc.png
or Muhammad

Conan the barbarian

and under his leadership this terrorism **** would have been cleared up within a week.

em2nought
10-12-12, 08:50 PM
Let's hope that this go around lessons have been learnt and will stay learnt.

LMFAO :har:

August
10-12-12, 09:07 PM
a war ends when you crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and you hear the lamentation of their women.

But Conan didn't say anything about ending a war. If you end it how can you continue to crush them? :hmmm:

GoldenRivet
10-12-12, 09:21 PM
But Conan didn't say anything about ending a war. If you end it how can you continue to crush them? :hmmm:

find someone else to crush

August
10-12-12, 10:28 PM
find someone else to crush

Well that's not very economical. What happens when you run out of enemies to crush?
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Better to just crush them like 90% and let them build back up so you can crush them again. :D

GoldenRivet
10-12-12, 11:37 PM
deal :up:

Stealhead
10-13-12, 01:04 AM
That M16A2 slung on the one guys shoulder I bet that has been around for a while they probably give them old US stock.What I don't get is why not just have them use AK-47s they already had tons of those and the are cheaper and also more able to take the abuse of a conscript solider better than an M16 will.He also has a rather sloppy double taped mag job going on.

soopaman2
10-13-12, 01:27 AM
They do not end!

Our government will never allow it.

Too profitable.

Ask any mortician, mercenary, or arms manufacterer, you know, the only people that matter.:smug:

I always wondered how many corpses they can squeeze into Arlington National Cemetary, we will find out soon, I am sure.

Jimbuna
10-13-12, 05:33 AM
A good read Jamie :up:

Oberon
10-13-12, 06:03 AM
But Conan didn't say anything about ending a war. If you end it how can you continue to crush them? :hmmm:

"And when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer."

August
10-13-12, 09:37 AM
That M16A2 slung on the one guys shoulder I bet that has been around for a while they probably give them old US stock.What I don't get is why not just have them use AK-47s they already had tons of those and the are cheaper and also more able to take the abuse of a conscript solider better than an M16 will.He also has a rather sloppy double taped mag job going on.


You make a very good point. Maybe it's because we have tons of obsolete M16A2's in stock and it's cheaper to give them away rather than buy AK47's. We're also better set up to supply our own ammo size over that used by the AK.