U.S. Presidential Debates & Election [Archive] - Page 3

vienna

11-06-12, 01:24 PM

Voted (for some Dems, some GOP, and an awful lot of ballot propositions...)!... :D

Wasn't there an election were everyone was so certain that one guy was going to win that they printed newspapers saying THIS GUY WINS BY LANDSLIDE...then the other guy won!

Dewey/Truman was the one most people remember because of the famed photograph. However, the Bush/Gore election, with the seesaw vote results from Florida (W thanks you, Jeb) also resulted in a number of papers putting out early morning editions with "Gore Wins" headlines. Here in Los Angeles, the Times did just that and, after the vote went back to Bush, people were scrambling to get the "Gore Wins" copies as collector's items...

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vienna

11-06-12, 01:31 PM

Obviously there is some more to the story.

You are always so proud when being short in words yourself, August, and always are so mocking of me or others spending some time trying to be more detailed. The problem with - or intention of? - being too brief in comment or description is that from some point on more and more important information gets ignored and not delivered, because that would need more words. That's why your short shots so often are not convincing.

I have also found in the past that sometimes, when a very brief statement or answer is given, it is sometimes to avoid having to deal with something not supporting or refuting the position of the person making the the statement or answer. Romney: "Obama took 6 billion out of Medicare". Obama: "It was taken out of one part of Medicare and moved to another part of Medicare, saving money and extending the life of the Medicare system". Romney: "Obama took 6 Billion out of Medicare"...

Short, sweet, and very deceptive (and used by both parties)...

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eddie

11-06-12, 01:32 PM

We also got to vote for our State Supreme Court Justices and their alternates. I never heard of any of them to be honest! Glad they all ran unopposed,lol

Only one of judges names I recognized back in 2008, and that was Allen Page,
(Yes, the football player!)
He didn't run this year, retired at age 70. The way he played football, I wouldn't challenge any of his rulings!

vienna

11-06-12, 01:52 PM

We also got to vote for our State Supreme Court Justices and their alternates. I never heard of any of them to be honest! Glad they all ran unopposed,lol

I know what you mean. Out here in California, we also vote for State Supreme Court seats as well as county and some municipal judicial seats. Most people probably don't know who the people on the ballot are and usually just vote for the incumbent. This could be a problem in the cases where the incumbent was politically appointed to fill a vacant seat in the event the elected judge was unable to complete their term. In those cases, voters are voting for an incumbent who was never elected to the seat in the first place...

I'm one of those annoying voters who actually takes the time to do at least some research on those running for judicial seats... :)

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mapuc

11-06-12, 02:05 PM

Since yesterday I have been searching through youtube after a Spiting Image video. This video content a sequence with Ronald Reagan making his vote in the 1984 election. He did vote for.....Mondale, who only got 1 vote

I didn't find it.

Markus

AVGWarhawk

11-06-12, 02:37 PM

Obama thanks you! Isn't it good to be on the winning side!:woot::woot:

My state of residence is always democrat across the board. As a result, I don't feel my vote has ever counted.

August

11-06-12, 02:47 PM

"Hate"?

http://www.everydaycitizen.com/2010/10/the_friendship_of_thomas_jeffe.html

Obviously there is some more to the story.

You are always so proud when being short in words yourself, August, and always are so mocking of me or others spending some time trying to be more detailed. The problem with - or intention of? - being too brief in comment or description is that from some point on more and more important information gets ignored and not delivered, because that would need more words. That's why your short shots so often are not convincing.

First, off unlike you I am not trying to convince you of anything.
Second I don't need to demonstrate acrimony for their entire association.

All I need to back up my statement is this:

In 1796 and 1800, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were pitted against each other for the Presidency, and the acrimony of the political campaigns caused a lot of resentment on both sides. John and Abigail Adams felt betrayed by Thomas Jefferson, feeling that Jefferson put his political ambitions over their friendship. When Adams was President, Thomas Jefferson secretly hired newspaperman James Callender to defame the Adams' administration. After Jefferson was inaugurated in 1800, Jefferson and the Adams did not have a civil communication for 12 years.

I think it proves my statement quite well, unless you're in the habit of hiring people to defame your friends.

RickC Sniper

11-06-12, 02:49 PM

I shall probably have the Dimbleby on tonight at work to keep an eye on how things are progressing. Any idea what time Ohios results will come in? That should give a fairly good hint which way it's going.

The polls in Ohio close at 7:30 Eastern, or New York time. The news networks here are pretty fast at calling a state's winner very quickly after that.

Here are when the polls close state by state. (States are abbreviated)

By 8:00 p.m. we will have a pretty good idea how the Eastern states went.

7:00 pm: GA, IN, KY, SC, VT, VA
7:30 pm: NC, OH, WV
8:00 pm: AL, CT, DE, DC, FL, IL, ME, MD, MA, MS, MO, NH, NJ, OK, PA, RI, TN
8:30 pm: AR
9:00 pm: AZ, CO, KS, LA, MI, MN, NE, NM, NY, ND, SD, TX, WI, WY
10:00 pm: IA, MT, NV, UT
11:00 pm: CA, HI, ID, OR, WA
1:00 am: AK

STEED

11-06-12, 02:51 PM

Is it over yet? :03:

The suspense is killing me, I need another beer. :DL

Buddahaid

11-06-12, 03:04 PM

No, there are still a few voters to hear from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWnFWclW0Qs&feature=fvsr

STEED

11-06-12, 03:09 PM

No, there are still a few voters to hear from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWnFWclW0Qs&feature=fvsr

One of my favourite episodes. :har: :yeah:

Jimbuna

11-06-12, 03:44 PM

LOL...classic :)

CaptainHaplo

11-06-12, 04:05 PM

AVGWarhawk

11-06-12, 04:12 PM

I am calling Ohio for Romney now - based purely on voter turnout and party breakdown in the linchpin - Hamilton County.

The 'burbs are looking at 75% - 80% turnout. That area is 82% republican. Those numbers will outscore the liberal center of Cincy.

I'm calling Romney takes the prize based on what voters casting their ballots did 2 years ago.

Skybird

11-06-12, 04:48 PM

I think it proves my statement quite well, unless you're in the habit of hiring people to defame your friends.Thinking something, and being right, are not the same things. Comparing the article's description of the full-story, and your supershort one-liner leaving it to claiming that Jefferson hated Adams, just illustrates that difference. If you cannot see the difference between your depiction of it, and the article's depiction of it, than its author and you do not speak the same English.

The reaosns and the whole situation was slightly more complex than to label it as "A hated B". only. Not to mention that people that hate each other do not reform friendship again. Jefferson and Adams had serious differences over political issues they considered to be of vital interest, and that seems to have been why Jefferson made the step to try pushing Adams out of office, for the better interest of the country as he saw it. Adams did not like that, and felt betrayed. Both men did not communicate for years to come, which obviously was a m,utal action (or non-action, to be precise), not just caused by Jefferson "hating" adams.

And later they came together again. Another important detail gone amiss in your one-liner.

Sometimes, less is not more, but is just less. Sometimes a story simply needs some more words to be told.

geetrue

11-06-12, 04:52 PM

I am calling Ohio for Romney now - based purely on voter turnout and party breakdown in the linchpin - Hamilton County.

The 'burbs are looking at 75% - 80% turnout. That area is 82% republican. Those numbers will outscore the liberal center of Cincy.

Not so fast my friend ... Ohio won't even count the some 300,000 requested absentee ballots till November 17th (eleven days from now)

It could very well go down to the wire and then the attorney's get involved :cool:

Skybird

11-06-12, 04:54 PM

LINK: Not wanting the truth: He who lies wins (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-commentary-about-us-election-campaign-a-865431.html)

Regardless which candidate wins the US presidential election on Tuesday, neither of them has been honest to the American people about the scale of the problems facing the country. But Americans have only themselves to blame. They prefer to be lied to rather than to face the truth.
(...)
The man who rescued America from George W. Bush has even adopted the tactics of the former president, who in 2004 won re-election by demonizing his challenger John Kerry rather than talking about his own controversial record. And Obama too has started avoiding the hard realities that America must face.
(...)
It doesn't make things any better that the Democrat is up against an unprincipled rival who has deserved much of the criticism levelled at him. One can blame Barack Obama for this sad evolution. But one can also blame the American people. It may sound harsh, but they want to be lied to. A politician who doesn't lie simply won't be elected.

Imagine for a moment if Obama had begun his re-election campaign this way: "Listen, our schools are no longer considered to be among the top 10 worldwide, one out of every four of our bridges is wobbly, more of our kids are dying and our old people are dying sooner even though we spend twice as much on our health care system as Germany. We were so ill prepared for a hurricane that millions of New Yorkers had to sit in the dark for days. And our 'high-speed' trains move barely faster than local trains in China. We must start over."

In short, he would have said that America is no longer in every respect the best country on the planet, but rather, like every other nation, a 'work in progress.'

A president dared to do this once -- Jimmy Carter. In 1979, the Democrat tried to persuade Americans to change their energy consumption. Americans didn't want to hear it. They mocked his defeatism and voted him out of office.

Ever since then, hardly any US politician has risked calling on people to make sacrifices. Obama tried it briefly. He said America had lost some of its dynamism. On foreign visits he showed that America should at times be big enough to apologize for its actions.
(...)
Needless to say, politicians everywhere fear telling the truth. Former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl preferred to talk about "blossoming landscapes" in eastern Germany and safe pensions for all, statements that flew in the face of reality. All across Europe, leaders who spoke truthfully about the euro crisis have been voted out of office.

But America, this great country, always wanted to be more, to be a nation founded on a wonderful idea. America's founding fathers pledged that governing would be dictated by common sense. Today, citizens mercilessly punish every politician who tries to push through pragmatic yet unpopular policies. Even worse, it's enough if a candidate even mentions anything unpopular. Such as the truth, for example.

Tchocky

11-06-12, 05:21 PM

Seems a bit silly calling a state before voting is over.

Seems sillier calling it based on a single counties turnout.

I think Ohio goes for Obama, very narrowly. Wonder if I'm right.

geetrue

11-06-12, 05:36 PM

I think Ohio goes for Obama, very narrowly. Wonder if I'm right.

Black is black and white it white :timeout::har::D

Jimbuna

11-06-12, 05:58 PM

Seems a bit silly calling a state before voting is over.

Seems sillier calling it based on a single counties turnout.

I think Ohio goes for Obama, very narrowly. Wonder if I'm right.

My instinct says it will go to Obama

August

11-06-12, 06:22 PM

Sometimes, less is not more, but is just less. Sometimes a story simply needs some more words to be told.

And then again sometimes it doesn't.

Tchocky

11-06-12, 06:30 PM

Haha. Very good.

CaptainHaplo

11-06-12, 06:32 PM

voted

Armistead

11-06-12, 06:37 PM

I'm starting to feel a tingle in my leg...:woot:

vienna

11-06-12, 06:41 PM

Seems a bit silly calling a state before voting is over.

This is an issue that has irked voters in time zones other than the Eastern Zone for decades, particularly voters in the Pacific and Hawai'ian zones. It is really very annoying for the pundits on Tv, radio, and nowadays, the Web to start declaring winners in elections right after the pols close in the East while at least another hour or two of voting is yet to be done, much less counted, in the the the other zones. It seems to make the votes yet to be cast as being rather irrelevant to the outcome and may sway some yet to be voters who may change votes because they don't want to be on the "losing side". I think the country needs to have some means of making the voting process a genuine. real level playing field...

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Armistead

11-06-12, 06:41 PM

My state of residence is always democrat across the board. As a result, I don't feel my vote has ever counted.

Well,my wife voted Romney, I voted Obama, net zero gain. My wife said if NC goes Obama I'm not getting laid until the next election, by her anyway..

Tchocky

11-06-12, 06:55 PM

This is an issue that has irked voters in time zones other than the Eastern Zone for decades, particularly voters in the Pacific and Hawai'ian zones. It is really very annoying for the pundits on Tv, radio, and nowadays, the Web to start declaring winners in elections right after the pols close in the East while at least another hour or two of voting is yet to be done, much less counted, in the the the other zones. It seems to make the votes yet to be cast as being rather irrelevant to the outcome and may sway some yet to be voters who may change votes because they don't want to be on the "losing side". I think the country needs to have some means of making the voting process a genuine. real level playing field...

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Yeah, I can understand why that's annoying. The reason I can see for it is where the most swing states are located - Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire, Florida, (maybe) Pennsylvania - means that the West gets kind of ignored. Maybe that's changing now with Colorado and Nevada coming more into play, but to feed the all-night news it's still going to be the big Eastern swingers :03:

geetrue

11-06-12, 06:58 PM

I hear Indonesia is interested in Obama if he loses:

www.IJustMadeThatUp.com

August

11-06-12, 07:06 PM

Voted.

Romney R
Brown R
Beilat R
Iannella D
Timilty D
Howitt R
Santos D
Amaral D
Levasseur I

1.Yes
2.Yes
3.Yes
4.Yes

Tchocky

11-06-12, 07:09 PM

Whate were the ballot initiatives for you, August?

I think marijuana was one of them in MA?

August

11-06-12, 07:11 PM

Whate were the ballot initiatives for you, August?

I think marijuana was one of them in MA?

Yep

Right to repair
Assisted Suicide
Medical Marijuana
Voter IDs

vienna

11-06-12, 07:28 PM

Well, some places really know how to hold an election:

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Bel-Air-Hotel-Offering-Luxury-Voting-Experience-Los-Angeles-Luxe-Sunset-177492531.html

BTW, it is a Federal misdemeanor offense to offer any form of reward or compensation for the act of voting, whether or not it is meant to influence a vote in one direction or another. The parctice of many businesses, nationwide or local, to offer goods or services if you prove you have voted are technically in violation of this law. I don't recall any businesses being prosecuted, but I have heard of some being warned (Ben & Jerry, for example)...

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Onkel Neal

11-06-12, 08:00 PM

Here we go....

Tchocky

11-06-12, 08:03 PM

Ah, I do enjoy a good election evening of TV.

CNN are presently trying to recreate the bridge of the Enterprise in the studio.

BBC live link - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20009190

Onkel Neal

11-06-12, 08:09 PM

Romney 82
Obama 64
Night is young

Tchocky

11-06-12, 08:14 PM

Donnelly seems to be well ahead in the Indiana Senate. I wonder how Missouri will turn out.

(It's a lot nicer to have everything in the one thread this cycle - good one mods! :salute: )

Sailor Steve

11-06-12, 08:26 PM

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

I just saw a news blurb on my homepage: Obama is leading the eastern states...

with 1% of the vote counted.
:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

AVGWarhawk

11-06-12, 08:27 PM

CNN are presently trying to recreate the bridge of the Enterprise in the studio.

BBC live link - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20009190

:haha:

geetrue

11-06-12, 08:43 PM

Breaking News:
ABC News Projects OBAMA Will Win Massachusetts, Illinois, Maryland, Rhode Island, Delaware, District of Columbia; (http://abcnews.go.com/live/)

Bookies Betting On Obama:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/OTUS/bookies-betting-obama/story?id=17655537

We know how Karl Rove and James Carville are betting on the election. But how about Vinnie The Pipe, Hot Horse Herbie and Nathan Detroit? Gamblers have long shown themselves to be accurate predictors of U.S. presidential elections. So, who are they betting on this time—and by what margin?

They're betting on Obama. By how much depends on what group of gamblers you ask. Some of the biggest can be found laying down presidential bets on gambling websites such as Intrade (based in Ireland) and on online U.K. bookmakers Ladbrokes and William Hill. Presidential betting doesn't take place in Las Vegas (at least not legally), since U.S. law forbids it domestically.

Intrade and the two English bookies, however, being based overseas, aren't subject to that same restriction. Carl Wolfenden, exchange operations manager for Intrade, tells ABC News it's a common misconception U.S. citizens can't bet on presidential elections.

Nearly three quarters of Intrade's presidential bets (73 percent) come from the U.S., he says. Though credit card companies block payments from U.S. gamblers, they can pay by check. "Americans can do it," he explains. "It's just inconvenient."

Intrade has taken bets on the past two U.S. presidential elections. How accurate have gamblers been? "They've been pretty good," says Wolfenden. In '04 they bet on Bush and correctly called results in all 50 states. In '08 they predicted Obama and got 48 states right (they bet wrong on Missouri and Indiana).

This year, bettors at all three online book makers favor Obama. Ladbrokes gives him odds of 1-to-5 (versus Romney's 7-to-2 ; William Hill scores them, respectively, 2-to-9 and 16-to-5.

Onkel Neal

11-06-12, 08:58 PM

Romney 88
Obama 78
Florida and Virginia in the balance.
Are switching between CBS, CNN, and Fox News. FN looks like a Las Vegas casino

Tchocky

11-06-12, 09:03 PM

Latest polls closing in the Midwest and central chunk of the country. Michigan for Obama, a whole load of Texas/Wyoming/Nebraska for Romney.

Romney - 152
Obama - 123

Think it's looking good for Obama in Florida and Ohio.

Dick Morris is apparently "worried". This pleases me greatly.

Armistead

11-06-12, 09:18 PM

Wow Florida, 78% votes in, basically tied with 3.6 mil votes a piece, just a few hundred separating them. I bet we're gonna have a recount in Florida.

PA. just called for Obama...

Looking bad for Romney.

Onkel Neal

11-06-12, 09:29 PM

Fox is calling Wisconsin for Obama

Tchocky

11-06-12, 09:31 PM

Florida probably narrowly (oh so narrowly) for Obama. The same margin for Romney in Virginia.

Never thought Wisconsin would go for Romney, even with Ryan's place on the ticket. SUrprised at how close Florida is though, figured it was a lot friendlier to Romney.

AVGWarhawk

11-06-12, 09:38 PM

This party is over. BO is going to win.

geetrue

11-06-12, 09:45 PM

Pennsylvania (http://abcnews.go.com/politics/elections/Pennsylvania)
Romney
39%

Obama
60%

Electoral Votes 20
Exp. Vote Reported 28%

Tchocky

11-06-12, 10:10 PM

CNN are now characterising Romney as "running maybe a little bit better than John McCain".

Things ain't good for Mitt right now. I wonder how Nevada will go.

mookiemookie

11-06-12, 10:50 PM

So far no real surprises, at least in my mind.

Tchocky

11-06-12, 10:53 PM

I am calling Ohio for Romney now - based purely on voter turnout and party breakdown in the linchpin - Hamilton County.

The 'burbs are looking at 75% - 80% turnout. That area is 82% republican. Those numbers will outscore the liberal center of Cincy.

Obama ahead 55/44 in Hamilton COunty with 22% of precincts reporting.

Romney's way to the White House is becoming extremely mathematically creative.

mookiemookie

11-06-12, 11:11 PM

They just called Iowa for Obama. That's it, folks.

Tchocky

11-06-12, 11:14 PM

They just called Iowa for Obama. That's it, folks.

MSNBC just called the whole thing for him (I know they'd be first to do that anyway, but still).

EDIT - I've just realised that now it's over.....I'll have to find something else to do. Argh.

Kptlt. Neuerburg

11-06-12, 11:19 PM

Obama wins.:yeah: Until 2016 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4.

Tchocky

11-06-12, 11:20 PM

CNN and FOX call it for the President. Endy story.

Oberon

11-06-12, 11:22 PM

The chips fell quicker than I thought they would. I thought we'd still be quibbling over who won until well into this afternoon.

Still, there's stills the i's to be dotted and the t's to be crossed, but it looks like another four years of Obama.

Now for the four days of anger, decrying and conspiracy theories.

Yubba, lead the way. :salute:

Onkel Neal

11-06-12, 11:24 PM

Yeah, Obama and Ryan will win, I hope they get serious about finding Osama bin Laden now

Oberon

11-06-12, 11:26 PM

Yeah, Obama and Ryan will win, I hope they get serious about finding Osama bin Laden now

I thought they only legalised marijuana in Colorado? :hmmm: :03:

Tchocky

11-06-12, 11:27 PM

:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

Onkel Neal

11-06-12, 11:28 PM

I'm just trying to fit in with the Democratics ;)

Oberon

11-06-12, 11:29 PM

I'm just trying to fit in with the Democratics ;)

Surely the Republicrats?

Onkel Neal

11-06-12, 11:32 PM

I think this joke is lost on you

TarJak

11-06-12, 11:37 PM

In before Yubba! :O:

Interesting article on some changes that might make the American electoral system a little more representative: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/us-looks-down-under-to-stop-poll-rot-20121105-28tz1.html

Not that I think they'll take up these recommendations as they will point to 200 odd years of things working just fine.:03:

eddie

11-06-12, 11:41 PM

I think Ohio will not be clear until all the votes are in. Romney is gaining with about 25% still yet to be counted.

Tchocky

11-06-12, 11:44 PM

That's fair, I guess, about Ohio. Personally I don't think Romney is gaining anywhere near enough, and even if he makes Ohio there's pretty much no way to 270 after that.

Oberon

11-06-12, 11:46 PM

I think this joke is lost on you

I'm lost on me. :yep:

Stealhead

11-07-12, 12:21 AM

I bet we wont hear from Yubba for at least a week.First he is gonna drink rum for 2 or 3 days in a row he will collect the unbroken bottles for later use after he sleeps off the hang_over he will spend the next week preparing his bunker defenses next he will purify water for week.

After that he will post himself in one of the slit trenches of his well engineered and pre sighted defensive perimeter before being cut down he will manage to take out at least two maybe three UN tanks using rum bottle Molotov cocktails. :03:

CaptainMattJ.

11-07-12, 12:25 AM

As i've said before, The president is a grain of sand. Congress is where the magic happens folks. And because congress is split in two right now, that means that Barack Obama's only hope of getting ANYTHING done is if he completely waters down any bills he proposes.

If republicans keep up this stone wall Bull then this election was literally a ginormous waste of time and effort. Republicans have been randomly shooting down anything the president has proposed, including the Tax breaks for the middle class, something that not only appeals to their supposed beliefs, but an issue they advocated for in the first place.

Armistead

11-07-12, 12:42 AM

Geesh, someone stick a sock inside Carl Rove's mouth...

Anyway, 4 more years of gridlock, even if Obama goes more center the GOP will still do nothing to make anything work.

Basically we hate government, but once again we vote in all the same players. We all lose!

Tchocky

11-07-12, 12:47 AM

It's a good night for marraige equality!

Also Bachmann is only 120 votes ahead in the Minnesota 6th, hoping for a turnaround there :)

eddie

11-07-12, 01:34 AM

It's a good night for marraige equality!

Also Bachmann is only 120 votes ahead in the Minnesota 6th, hoping for a turnaround there :)

With 73% of the vote in, she's got about an 1,800 vote lead now.:/\\!!

Tchocky

11-07-12, 01:36 AM

With 73% of the vote in, she's got about an 1,800 vote lead now.:/\\!!

It's killing me. So close.

Armistead

11-07-12, 01:42 AM

It's killing me. So close.

That would be icing on the cake to see that nutcase airhead sent home, but don't think so...

eddie

11-07-12, 02:32 AM

This the best website I've ever seen when it comes to Bachmann!

http://www.dumpbachmann.com/

Armistead

11-07-12, 02:56 AM

This the best website I've ever seen when it comes to Bachmann!

http://www.dumpbachmann.com/

Nothing is worse for the GOP than radical fundy Christian women like Bachman and Palin. If the GOP will have any chance in the future, they will have to become more socially liberal to push through smaller government.

BossMark

11-07-12, 04:40 AM

Congratulations to president Obama on getting re-elected

Jimbuna

11-07-12, 05:32 AM

My hunch was for an Obama win and I posted as much earlier.

Twas only a hunch though and nothing more as I readily admit I know next to nothing about US politics.

CaptainHaplo

11-07-12, 05:40 AM

I will say it now - the electoral college will be close - but Romney will win the popular vote by at least 5 points. If I am right - I will post an "I told you so". If I am wrong - I will eat my crow in public.

OK - everyone stand back, this could get messy. I read the tea leaves entirely wrong. We will see what the next 4 years hold. Apparently, the American people are very divided and see gridlock as the best option.

geetrue

11-07-12, 06:05 AM

Obama takes key battlegrounds to win re-election (http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/06/politics/election-2012/index.html)

Good clean win ... no overtime game tonight

I like that in football or polictics

Probably will be another thread about hindsight,
but I think there were just too many poor people
standing in line for hours to vote.

Their long suffering paid off :up:

geetrue

11-07-12, 06:26 AM

I think Ohio will not be clear until all the votes are in. Romney is gaining with about 25% still yet to be counted.

You and karl Rove think a lot alike: http://news.yahoo.com/karl-rove-vs-fox-news-053252384--abc-news-politics.html

Forget Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. The most exciting matchup of the night was between Karl Rove and his employer, Fox News.

A little after 11 p.m., Fox News and every other news outlet called the presidential race for Obama. Rove, the mastermind of George W. Bush's campaign and now a political commentator on Fox, didn't buy it.
Why? According to Rove, who appeared to be going through extreme denial that Mitt Romney had lost, there were too many outstanding votes in Ohio to give the state to Obama, tipping the race in his favor.

No one else at Fox took his side. And to prove him wrong, Megyn Kelly walked down the hall in a live action shot to the "decision desk" that called the race and interviewed the men in charge.

Their response was essentially that while some counties haven't reported all the Romney votes yet, there are too many votes unreported in Democratic territory like Cleveland that it wouldn't matter.

"There just aren't enough Republican votes left for Mitt Romney to get there," said decision maker Chris Stirewalt.

Rove was apparently listening in. The jolly Fox host Bret Baier tried to describe Rove's reaction - the GOP strategist was writing things down, and pointing at Fox personality Bill Hemmer.

"A lot of things are going on right now," Baier said.

They cut to commercial. Then they came back and Rove was as defensive as ever. While the crowd in Chicago cheered and danced on the split screen, there was Rove, saying that all the votes in Ohio's Hamilton County needed to be cast. The projection, he said, was a "very early call."

mookiemookie

11-07-12, 07:10 AM

So if it ends up that Romney wins Florida, do I get a prize for nailing the electoral college map exactly right?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1956078&postcount=405

Bilge_Rat

11-07-12, 07:21 AM

Congrats to all Americanes for runing a clean election!

Obama is ahead in the popular vote in Fla, don't see why Romney would win.

Glad to see Mourdock and Akin bit the dust. Will the Tea Party finally learn and start pushing electable candidates? All thay have been doing so far is handing seats to the Democrats.

Red October1984

11-07-12, 08:27 AM

Onkel Neal

11-07-12, 08:50 AM

OK - everyone stand back, this could get messy. I read the tea leaves entirely wrong. We will see what the next 4 years hold. Apparently, the American people are very divided and see gridlock as the best option.

Gridlock indeed, and some will blame Republicans for it, as usual.

Well, as I've said before, I have nothing against Obama. After learning more about him over the last couple years, I admire his smarts and his canny political talent. There have been much worse men in the White House.

I found this deliriously hateful article (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-obama-victory-20121106,0,2145466.story) very accurate when it comes to forecasting the future.

Obama was reelected by a coalition representing what the United States is becoming. Sure, a lot of aging, parochial white people do not like it ***8211; they do not like gays getting married or Latinos getting a chance at citizenship or urban liberals telling them that we are not just a nation of self-reliant cowboys, but a diverse, multiracial society that needs to be more tolerant and economically egalitarian. But this was quite possibly the last election in which a party that seemed to represent only this traditional, white America had a shot at victory.

Yep, it is what it is. I may be an aging parochial white person, but I don't care about gays getting married. Allowing 30 millions illegal Latinos to become voting citizens and import their relatives, ha, that's a different story. The demographic changes in this country will change it, make no mistake. America ain't what she used to be. You may be fine with that, or not, but if nothing else, be realistic and call it what it is.

Onkel Neal

11-07-12, 08:52 AM

So if it ends up that Romney wins Florida, do I get a prize for nailing the electoral college map exactly right?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1956078&postcount=405

Heck yeah!! If the US Mail will do their job, check your mailbox. :ping:

CCIP

11-07-12, 08:55 AM

Tchocky

11-07-12, 08:57 AM

I found this deliriously hateful article (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-obama-victory-20121106,0,2145466.story) very accurate when it comes to forecasting the future.

This bit -

That does not mean a conservative cannot become president. A pragmatic fiscal conservative with an enlightened view of immigration and a tolerant attitude on social issues could do quite well. Romney could have run as just such a candidate. He certainly tried to pose as one in the final weeks of the campaign, but it was too late for him to take back all his primary campaign pandering to the right wing.

- reminded me of Romney's concession speech. I was impressed at the candidate who gave that speech. I wonder where the hell he was for the entire campaign before.

Onkel Neal

11-07-12, 09:01 AM

What are you talking about? Romney was no more negative than the President. Have you seen some of the campaign ads (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgxO2Nxf4Dk)?

CCIP

11-07-12, 09:04 AM

Well, as I've said before, I have nothing against Obama. After learning more about him over the last couple years, I admire his smarts and his canny political talent. There have been much worse men in the White House.

I found this deliriously hateful article (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-obama-victory-20121106,0,2145466.story) very accurate when it comes to forecasting the future.

Yes, I hope it is a lesson for others to be sure, and perhaps also a reminder to people that if they're not happy with how the two main parties are representing them, they need to speak up. The Republicans only have themselves to blame for their party's current struggles.

Obama is a politician. He is a professional and smart politician who knows how to play the game, and he is a pretty good diplomat. I think those things come both as a strength in some ways, and a problem in other ways. But he's definitely a politician - neither a messiah, nor a crazy America-ruining radical.

Tchocky

11-07-12, 09:06 AM

Oh I know, it was almost completely negative on both sides, I'm not letting anybody off the hook for that. I'm just saying Romney impressed me with the concession speech, in contrast with his campaign performance which was just as negative as the President's, but poorly run.

Sailor Steve

11-07-12, 09:11 AM

That's exactly what people said about McCain four years ago. If only he'd conducted his campaign the way he conducted his concession. :sunny:

Onkel Neal

11-07-12, 09:23 AM

Yes, I hope it is a lesson for others to be sure, and perhaps also a reminder to people that if they're not happy with how the two main parties are representing them, they need to speak up. The Republicans only have themselves to blame for their party's current struggles.

Obama is a politician. He is a professional and smart politician who knows how to play the game, and he is a pretty good diplomat. I think those things come both as a strength in some ways, and a problem in other ways. But he's definitely a politician - neither a messiah, nor a crazy America-ruining radical.

No, I agree, Obama is not a bad man, I love the guy. And I cringe when I hear narrow-minded extremists blast him like he's satan. But, in my own mind, and I sure could be wrong, the principles and policies of the left will water down this country and its dynamic spirit. Time will tell, we will see. It won't happen overnight, but the effects are already evident and deeply rooted. I hope that doesn't sound like "crazy talk", because we all know that things can and do change, so saying America is in decline is a legit argument.

I wish the President all the luck in the world getting the ship righted, and he needs to realize there are some aging white people left who support him. He will have to work with the Republicans, they represent people too, and their objections to having government take over everything are understandable. The left can have their way in reshaping this country, they just have to be patient and chip away in small pieces.

One last thought: I am a moderate conservative and voted for Romney, but I clearly recognize I did that against my personal interests. The democrats will "do more for me" than the Republicans. The right expects me to manage my own affairs and leave me be, the left, bless their hearts, will come to my rescue as I age and expect help in everything I do. I voted Republican because that's in the best interests of the country. It's like having a father who gives you a place to sleep and food, but expects you to make your own way in the world, and a mommy who hovers over you with an umbrella, smooches you up, and lets you know who you should be friends with. :dead:

Oh I know, it was almost completely negative on both sides, I'm not letting anybody off the hook for that. I'm just saying Romney impressed me with the concession speech, in contrast with his campaign performance which was just as negative as the President's, but poorly run.

Ok, gotcha :up:

Oberon

11-07-12, 11:06 AM

People I know are crying all around. Because that we know that Obama's election means the end of our normal lives. Our freedom of religion too. He's attacking Catholics everywhere

Game Over America. We lost.

I'm sure Yubba has space in his bunker, take some empty bottles for the molotov cocktails to fight the UN tanks coming to take you away to the FEMA death camps. :yep:

Buddahaid

11-07-12, 11:11 AM

I'm sure Yubba has space in his bunker, take some empty bottles for the molotov cocktails to fight the UN tanks coming to take you away to the FEMA death camps. :yep:

Space maybe but he sealed himself in with concrete.:O:

Morts

11-07-12, 11:20 AM

People I know are crying all around. Because that we know that Obama's election means the end of our normal lives. Our freedom of religion too. He's attacking Catholics everywhere

Game Over America. We lost.
Oh stop your drama, just because something you dont agree with is passed, doesnt mean he is attacking anyone.
There are people of other faiths, and no faiths too in the US.

Buddahaid

11-07-12, 11:24 AM

People I know are crying all around. Because that we know that Obama's election means the end of our normal lives. Our freedom of religion too. He's attacking Catholics everywhere

Game Over America. We lost.

Please post an example of how "our normal lives", freedom of religion and Catholics are being attacked. Are churches being torn down? Mass being banned? Parishioners hunted down and incarcerated?

Sounds to me your freedom of religion just means freedom to have everyone kowtow to your religion of choice. Have a good cry then.

Jimbuna

11-07-12, 11:37 AM

I see a lot of people applauding both candidates post election on Brit tv...nothing to suggest there is going to be a major storm of protest.

Oberon

11-07-12, 11:46 AM

Oberons Post-Mortem of the US elections.

Well, I was surprised at the margin by which Obama won, however he may spend his next two years wishing that he hadn't.

August created a thread a few or two ago highlighting the newer edgier more sarcastic Obama, an Obama who has been tainted by four years of brutal politics and pounding against a Republican stone wall. This time around his claws were out, rather than remain aloof and refrain from attack ads, he went all out, and it was a bitter fight.
So, where does that leave Hope and Change? Firmly where it was to begin with, tempered with reality and lower than the impossible expectations given to it.
The US political system remains deadlocked, with neither side able to pass legislation to tackle the economic situation, and the Republican party is going to be entering a period of soul searching, which is, in my opinion, exactly what it needs to do.
Romney was a good candidate, he had the charisma, but he was a bit too detached from the voter base. There is almost certainly going to be a big push from the young Republicans and RINOs to reform the Republican party to include more from the minorities to tap into the key areas which enabled Obama to win this. Alternatively, the other side of the Republican party could win out and decide that Romney wasn't conservative enough, and they will swing further right...in which case it would take a major Democratic screw up to have them lose 2016.

I stated before, and I still believe, that what is needed now is co-operation not alienation, the Republicans need to re-evaluate the position they hold in the House and decide whether it's their job to oppose every single thing the President tries to do just because they don't like him, or whether they really have a legitimate reason to block legislation. If they continue to block legislation, even popular legislation, then they are going to get a reputation as obstructionists and hindering the course of government for petty political gains.
Even Romney himself, said:

The nation, as you know, is at a critical point. At a time like this, we can't risk partisan bickering and political posturing. Our leaders have to reach across the aisle to do the people's work.

CCIP

11-07-12, 11:55 AM

Well, I was surprised at the margin by which Obama won,

I agree. I went to bed early last night and I predicted 300 votes for him tops when it was over, so I was surprised. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing for him, but I do hope that at least the popular vote sends him the message about the underlying divisions in the country that need to be bridged. The electoral vote here probably belies the bigger picture quite a bit, and it would be best if the Democrats got as much of a message from this as the Republicans. The GOP, on the other hand, can't afford to not get the message about where their party should and shouldn't be going.

Tribesman

11-07-12, 12:00 PM

That's exactly what people said about McCain four years ago. If only he'd conducted his campaign the way he conducted his concession.
I thought they said "if only he conducted his campaign without Palin on the ticket":03:

August

11-07-12, 12:08 PM

the Republicans need to re-evaluate the position they hold in the House and decide whether it's their job to oppose every single thing the President tries to do just because they don't like him, or whether they really have a legitimate reason to block legislation.

FYI the House does not block legislation, they originate it. It's the Senate majority who has been blocking the many bills put forth by the House.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304707604577424491399594250.html

geetrue

11-07-12, 12:15 PM

So if it ends up that Romney wins Florida, do I get a prize for nailing the electoral college map exactly right?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1956078&postcount=405

Here's a cookie for mookie :O:

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4988162869035474&pid=1.9

Oberon

11-07-12, 12:18 PM

FYI the House does not block legislation, they originate it. It's the Senate majority who has been blocking the many bills put forth by the House.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304707604577424491399594250.html

Ah, fair dos, but even so, both sides need to sit down and work this out, which is difficult, I know, but necessary to avoid deadlock. :yep:

August

11-07-12, 12:35 PM

Ah, fair dos, but even so, both sides need to sit down and work this out, which is difficult, I know, but necessary to avoid deadlock. :yep:

Nah, nothing is going to be worked out with a Senate Majority leader that refuses to even allow debate. Given the Democratic parties tax and spend policies gridlock is probably a better thing.

Gridlock is after all the best form of government for the common man.

TarJak

11-07-12, 02:06 PM

The Fiscal Cliff is the big danger for Obama right now
http://m.smh.com.au/world/us-election/superman-has-just-54-days-to-save-the-world-20121107-28yls.html

Interesting article on Romney http://m.smh.com.au/world/us-election/defeat-for-a-man-of-contradictions-20121107-28y50.html

eddie

11-07-12, 02:42 PM

Nah, nothing is going to be worked out with a Senate Majority leader that refuses to even allow debate. Given the Democratic parties tax and spend policies gridlock is probably a better thing.

Gridlock is after all the best form of government for the common man.

Not anything good comes from the House speaker either!

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/nonnie9999/movies/thecryinggame-2.jpg

Catfish

11-07-12, 02:51 PM

August

11-07-12, 02:55 PM

Not anything good comes from the House speaker either!

Democratic party mantra:
Can't badmouth their record? Don't have a record of your own to run on? Then get personal. The new last refuge of scoundrels.

mookiemookie

11-07-12, 03:19 PM

Hello,

regarding the outcome i was surprised, and had thought it to be much closer.
In the german TV they said that the motor city states helped Obama, since he helped the automobile industry those years ago (OT it also seems this help pays out now, 3000 $ per car for the workers, and they sell again), but it is clear that he was elected by the black, hispano and female population - which, of course, reflects the reality of a multi-cultural society.

The republicans could have still won this election, it just seems they saw through Romney, and did not find much. His comments and his strange behaviour, along with the tea party crazies have however spoiled the republican cause.
On the other hand a new candidate always has it harder, than the president in chief -

Some very good 'essays' here, i especially liked the last one from Neal, and Oberon :up:

Greetings,
Catfish

The news media was selling the "neck and neck race" angle over the past couple of weeks to try and keep viewers tuning in. It was purely in their self interest and obviously did not reflect the reality of the situation. They fixated on the popular vote and ignored the actual mechanics of the way we elect a president.

I'm sure the talk everywhere is what the Republicans did wrong and what it means for the future, but the way I see it is that this is the beginning of a trend - a trend that the Republicans can reverse, but a trend that will continue if the party doesn't reinvent itself. Self reflection should be on the minds of the party leaders and an honest appraisal of why they lost should be in order.

The fact is that demographics are moving against them. George W. Bush won 40 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2004. John McCain won 31 percent in 2008. Mitt Romney won 21 percent this year. That's got to be a worrying trend for Republicans when the Hispanic population has doubled since 1990 and is currently 16.7% of the country. By 2050, Hispanics are forecast to be 30% of the U.S. population. In 2012, whites went from 74 to 72 percent of the vote. Pandering to the older white male conservative has worked in the past, but that's probably not going to be the case in the future.

One of the most harmful things to Republicans is their party primary process. The process that rewards the candidate who can pander the most to the ultra-extremist right - the Christian conservatives, the Tea Party extremists who have perverted a message of fiscal conservatism into the old "God, Gays and Guns" platform. In order to secure the nomination from the far right, and then swing back far enough to the center in the national election to gain moderate and independent votes is a monumental task that I'm not sure anyone can pull off.

If the Republicans would become a bit more moderate in their social issues platform, and a bit more conservative in their fiscal platform, they may stay viable. But the hardcore right may not allow that to happen, and they'll ride the bus over the cliff.

But then again, I could be completely wrong.

mapuc

11-07-12, 03:34 PM

the swedish newspaper aftonbladet.se

had a copy of Donald Trump's twitter

I could take copy and post it here, but I think that you already have read those famouse words from Donald

I guess that Donald is a joke

Markus

vienna

11-07-12, 03:37 PM

But then again, I could be completely wrong.

Perish the thought!... :)

<O>

GoldenRivet

11-07-12, 03:41 PM

One of the most harmful things to Republicans is their party primary process. The process that rewards the candidate who can pander the most to the ultra-extremist right - the Christian conservatives, the Tea Party extremists who have perverted a message of fiscal conservatism into the old "God, Gays and Guns" platform. In order to secure the nomination from the far right, and then swing back far enough to the center in the national election to gain moderate and independent votes is a monumental task that I'm not sure anyone can pull off.

If the Republicans would become a bit more moderate in their social issues platform, and a bit more conservative in their fiscal platform, they may stay viable. But the hardcore right may not allow that to happen, and they'll ride the bus over the cliff.

But then again, I could be completely wrong.

This i completely agree with.

socially i'm considerably more Democrat, philosophically I'm more republican.

I feel that the government should regulate trade, levy taxes and defend the nation with a strong military. other than that the government really should be taking a more hands off approach to governing the masses.

im vehemently against welfare - despite it's intentions however honorable they may be the system is abhorrently abused and easily taken advantage of and few people seem to think this is a problem. it also creates a situation where people vote for the candidate most likely to continue to pay them.

Im a fiscal conservative - it drives me insane how politicians talk about reducing the deficit. Sure reduce the damn deficit but we need to focus on the debt - even as impossible as it seems.

what are we going to do, get some years down the road and have a national debt of $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000

?????

My frustration as a "republican" is that our government is completely out of line and out of control... and i cant really seem to get a word in edge ways because i dont really seem to have a party, or a candidate for that matter.

AVGWarhawk

11-07-12, 03:54 PM

No, I agree, Obama is not a bad man, I love the guy. And I cringe when I hear narrow-minded extremists blast him like he's satan. But, in my own mind, and I sure could be wrong, the principles and policies of the left will water down this country and its dynamic spirit. Time will tell, we will see. It won't happen overnight, but the effects are already evident and deeply rooted. I hope that doesn't sound like "crazy talk", because we all know that things can and do change, so saying America is in decline is a legit argument.

I wish the President all the luck in the world getting the ship righted, and he needs to realize there are some aging white people left who support him. He will have to work with the Republicans, they represent people too, and their objections to having government take over everything are understandable. The left can have their way in reshaping this country, they just have to be patient and chip away in small pieces.

One last thought: I am a moderate conservative and voted for Romney, but I clearly recognize I did that against my personal interests. The democrats will "do more for me" than the Republicans. The right expects me to manage my own affairs and leave me be, the left, bless their hearts, will come to my rescue as I age and expect help in everything I do. I voted Republican because that's in the best interests of the country. It's like having a father who gives you a place to sleep and food, but expects you to make your own way in the world, and a mommy who hovers over you with an umbrella, smooches you up, and lets you know who you should be friends with. :dead:

Ok, gotcha :up:

I'm always of the mind that the President is one person and not capable of correcting all the worlds ills by himself. BO is no different in my mind. He has had is issues, trials and tribulations when growing up and with his Presidency. The guy is 3 years old than me. I could no way run a country nor consider running the world at my age. If ever. You can see in his face and performance in the past weeks the crap is daunting and there is mounds of it.

Romney may or may not have been the better choice. However, both will/would raise taxes. Abolish the Bush era tax cuts and remove the tax cuts offered 2 years ago to assist in recovery. Furthermore, capital gains tax would be raised next year by both. So, either would be the same. However, we are still stuck with room full of Repubs in DC that only know how to not agree on anything. Romney would have been much the same with the Senate.

We watch the stock market have a tantrum today. Tomorrow will bring who knows what. We carry on bashing the other side. Nothing gets done. The game continues.

Jimbuna

11-07-12, 04:54 PM

I'm always of the mind that the President is one person and not capable of correcting all the worlds ills by himself. BO is no different in my mind. He has had is issues, trials and tribulations when growing up and with his Presidency. The guy is 3 years old than me. I could no way run a country nor consider running the world at my age. If ever. You can see in his face and performance in the past weeks the crap is daunting and there is mounds of it.

Romney may or may not have been the better choice. However, both will/would raise taxes. Abolish the Bush era tax cuts and remove the tax cuts offered 2 years ago to assist in recovery. Furthermore, capital gains tax would be raised next year by both. So, either would be the same. However, we are still stuck with room full of Repubs in DC that only know how to not agree on anything. Romney would have been much the same with the Senate.

We watch the stock market have a tantrum today. Tomorrow will bring who knows what. We carry on bashing the other side. Nothing gets done. The game continues.

Excellent assessment Chris :up:

CCIP

11-07-12, 05:05 PM

On the other hand, you could also say that for the last 2 years, BO seems to have lived in the shadow of the fear of not getting re-elected. It will be interesting to see how the lifting of that pressure will affect him. For better or worse, I think the 2nd term is when we'll see his true colours. I suspect, though, that he will still prove himself to be fairly cautious, especially if the house continues to be under GOP control after 2014.

Bilge_Rat

11-07-12, 05:13 PM

The guy is 3 years old than me.

I am 6 years older than Obama and no way would I want his job. Incessant demands, being on call 24/7, daunting pressure (look how much he has aged since 2008, he looks 10 years older), making life or death decisions ...

..plus, I am sure he can't take an hour off to cruise forums, play computer games, etc. etc., just work, work, work... :ping:

AVGWarhawk

11-07-12, 06:52 PM

I am 6 years older than Obama and no way would I want his job. Incessant demands, being on call 24/7, daunting pressure (look how much he has aged since 2008, he looks 10 years older), making life or death decisions ...

..plus, I am sure he can't take an hour off to cruise forums, play computer games, etc. etc., just work, work, work... :ping:

Well, he does a pick up game of b-ball every now and then. :haha:

Sailor Steve

11-07-12, 07:01 PM

I am 6 years older than Obama...
Four years ago I said that I hated Obama, not because of who he was or what he did or stood for, but for the simple reason that for the first time in my life we had a president who was younger than I was. :dead:
:rotfl2:

August

11-07-12, 07:08 PM

Four years ago I said that I hated Obama, not because of who he was or what he did or stood for, but for the simple reason that for the first time in my life we had a president who was younger than I was. :dead:
:rotfl2:

At least if you get to meet him someday you get to call him a Little Whippersnapper.... :yep:

Sailor Steve

11-07-12, 07:14 PM

At least if you get to meet him someday you get to call him a Little Whippersnapper.... :yep:
Shut up, boy!

AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!! :O:

Cybermat47

11-07-12, 07:19 PM

Shut up, boy!

AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!! :O:

LOL your just an old man you can't get meysbihbsvtrihbgrtshiinjenfhogbreinbbvethnvehbtrvb hevbh

R.I.P. Cybermat47
1999-2012
He underestimated a moderator.

August

11-07-12, 07:24 PM

Shut up, boy!

Who you calling boy white devil? :stare:

If my new senator elect gets to lie on job applications about being Cherokee I get to pretend to be Black on the internet. :)

Sailor Steve

11-07-12, 07:59 PM

Who you calling boy white devil? :stare:

If my new senator elect gets to lie on job applications about being Cherokee I get to pretend to be Black on the internet. :)
According to your picture you're pretending to be white.

Pretty sneaky way to hide your true colors, palomino!

August

11-07-12, 08:03 PM

According to your picture you're pretending to be white.

Pretty sneaky way to hide your true colors, palomino!

I learned from our new Senator. She's Cherokee.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Elizabeth_Warren_CFPB.jpg/220px-Elizabeth_Warren_CFPB.jpg

Sailor Steve

11-07-12, 08:09 PM

I think she misspelled "chickadee". :D

August

11-07-12, 08:12 PM

I think she misspelled "chickadee". :D

Well her head does bob like a chicken when she talks. :hmmm:

August

11-07-12, 08:57 PM

By the way you guys were talking about lessons the GoP needs to learn, here is a pretty good article as to what they might be thinking along those lines. Makes interesting reading.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332862/nice-guys-finish-second-michael-walsh#

The nice thing about losing as badly as the GOP did last night is that the Republicans now have at least two years, and probably four, to think back over the mistakes they made this year and also in 2008 — and to ponder the real lesson of 2010, when there was no national candidate on the ballot. And that lesson is simple: When conservative principles are the focal point of the election, they win; when “electability” and “reaching across the aisle” are personified in a middling candidate at the presidential level, they lose.

AVGWarhawk

11-07-12, 09:07 PM

I learned from our new Senator. She's Cherokee.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Elizabeth_Warren_CFPB.jpg/220px-Elizabeth_Warren_CFPB.jpg

Yeah? What part?

mookiemookie

11-07-12, 09:30 PM

when there was no national candidate on the ballot. And that lesson is simple: When conservative principles are the focal point of the election, they win; when ***8220;electability***8221; and ***8220;reaching across the aisle***8221; are personified in a middling candidate at the presidential level, they lose. Or in other words, when it comes to a gerrymandered and cherry picked district, they win, but on any kind of national level they lose. Hmm...hard hitting journalism there.

both of whom blew up their own candidacies by foolishly wandering into the social-issue minefields and detonating on contact with the very issue former Clinton hack turned ***8220;newsman***8221; George Stephanopoulos so skillfully planted early in the Republican debates: sex. What had seemed like a left-field query about contraception turned out to be the seed, so to speak, of the GOP***8217;s destruction. Gosh dangit, if those dang dirty liberals didn't ask about women's issues, then they wouldn't have said anything stupid. Seriously, this article is blaming the person that asked the question for the stupid answer.

First, the Republicans should never again agree to any debate moderated by any member of the MSM, most especially including former Democratic apparatchiks like Stephanopoulos. What used to be the American journalistic establishment ***8212; and I spent 25 years in it ***8212; is now out and proud and fully committed to the Obama Way. "Gee, if we only had Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity moderating those debates, Romney would have looked so much better!"

But they can***8217;t win without a media operation that can neutralize the 15 to 20 points that MSM advocacy regularly contributes to the Democrats. The only way to beat the media is to replace the media ***8212; and if you don***8217;t think the media won this election for Obama, you***8217;re delusional. Oh that's rich. The party that owns and runs Fox News is bitching about media bias. That's really friggin' rich.

It's sad to watch this "we didn't lose because we lost, we lost because it's just not fair, dammit!" crap. Good god, man, face reality and the facts. Stop being jerks to women, to immigrants, to gays, to union members. Just...well, just stop. If you don't understand how the GOP strategy of the last three and a half years affected you on a national basis, no matter what the gerrymandered House district yahoo votes told you, then you are damned to be party of nothing more than bodies in the road, slowing real progress, only to be crushed and run over one at a time, hoping that enough of your squashed and squeezed viscera gums up the engines of government enough to bring it to a halt. Or until the bodies are plowed out of the way, as they were in 2006 and 2008. If you think the lesson is that you weren't conservative enough, you know nothing about the United States.

Onkel Neal

11-07-12, 09:51 PM

August

11-07-12, 09:56 PM

I'm afraid the lesson the Republicans will take from this is that in order to win elections, they need to be more like the Democrats. Will that really help?

Hmmm, :hmmm:

Well, they will vote for a fake Indian maybe they'll vote for a fake Democrat?

AVGWarhawk

11-07-12, 10:11 PM

Hmmm, :hmmm:

Well, they will vote for a fake Indian maybe they'll vote for a fake Democrat?

These folks have been faking it for years. Nothing new here to see. Move along.

Cybermat47

11-07-12, 10:14 PM

Move along.

In a 1954 Buick, perhaps?

AVGWarhawk

11-07-12, 10:16 PM

In a 1954 Buick, perhaps?

You bet. Motorvate into the sunset. Screw the rest of it. :up:

August

11-07-12, 10:20 PM

I once drove a '56 Ford out to Oakland and back. :yep:

Onkel Neal

11-07-12, 10:28 PM

Someone needs to tell Florida they can close the polls and stop voting now, Obama won.

AVGWarhawk

11-07-12, 10:30 PM

It's all about the chad.

Penguin

11-08-12, 06:57 AM

One would think that since the desaster in 2000 you'd find an overwhelming majority in Florida to change the system to popular vote. :hmmm:

Penguin

11-08-12, 07:51 AM

Post of the year! Needs more smilies however:

People I know are crying all around. :wah:Because that we know that Obama's:stare: election means the end of our normal lives.:huh: Our freedom of religion too:o:o. He's attacking Catholics everywhere :gulp:

Game Over America.:-? We lost.:dead:

AVGWarhawk

11-08-12, 08:37 AM

I once drove a '56 Ford out to Oakland and back. :yep:

I drive my Buick everywhere during the weekend. Much like Neal and others who loose themselves from the daily grind by riding motorcycle through the remote countryside, I too, cruise the nations highways and byways. It is the best form of "getting away from it all" that I know.

August

11-08-12, 08:41 AM

I drive my Buick everywhere during the weekend. Much like Neal and others who loose themselves from the daily grind by riding motorcycle through the remote countryside, I too, cruise the nations highways and byways. It is the best form of "getting away from it all" that I know.

It looks way better than the rolling junk pile I was in. :)

Oberon

11-08-12, 08:43 AM

I'm afraid the lesson the Republicans will take from this is that in order to win elections, they need to be more like the Democrats. Will that really help?

It's a tough choice, but I think that in a country which is slowly becoming more liberal in its views becoming more conservative will only hinder them in the long run.
Augusts article does make a good point in regards to religion, the Republicans need to just drop it, take it off the table. Times have moved on, society has become more apathetic to religion, so constantly hammering on about it makes you look outdated and in the worse case scenario, it makes you look radical. By all means, don't take it off the table completely, but don't rely on it as a solid backbone for your positioning.
In regards to the economy, the Republicans have a good standpoint on it on a broader aspect, less regulation is a good thing, but at the same time they have to realise that there is a LOT of anger at the banks at the moment, so a candidate who is seen as being a) from a rich background and b) in support of banker autonomy or greater freedoms for banks, is going to get a negative response. I know they're working on this, and it's not as if the Dems have a much better idea, but out of the two evils, the Democrats at this time are the lesser.
A lot of it also comes down to soundbites, the Republicans keep having negative ones come out. Now, a lot of people of the right wing persuasion blame this on 'the liberal media' and there is a grain of truth in that, but if the GOP keeps giving the media ammunition to hit them with, then the media is going to keep using this ammunition. The Dems may have the same sort of gaffes, but less is made of them, perhaps this is an indication of a left leaning media, but honestly without going into conspiracy theory territory it's hard to say.
Chris Christie did a good job when he praised Obama and distanced himself from Romney, he could smell which way the wind was blowing, and which way the party should be going. The Republicans could do with having a listen to Christie and seeing which direction he thinks they should go before 2016.

CaptainHaplo

11-08-12, 09:00 AM

I am going to agree and disagree with Oberon. This is not the time for the social conservatism to be the dominant topic. The Republicans need to focus on their conservative economic message. They need to return to conservative foriegn policy - not the "neo-con" interventionism that became a halmark of the Bush years.

Team R does has to accept that society has moderated its views on many social issues. If they don't, they are going to find social issues will be thier stumbling block till they cease to become relevent.

There is one more lesson that Team R needs to get - and in this I disagree with Oberon. Basically since the first Bush, Team R has been trending toward becoming "Democrat Lite". The 90's saw a return to core conservatism, but then that conviction was not held to, and instead turned into infighting. Since then, Team R has only accepted more and more "moderate" candidates - ones that might be "conservative" in one way, but have waffled significantly on other policy areas. No one I know could call either Bush a true "fiscal" conservative. No one could call either of the Bushes, McCain or Romney a foriegn policy conservative. Neither McCain nor Romney were historically principaled in every arena.

It will be interesting to see how the "new breed" of Team R does. Lord knows its time for the old establishment to go. Team R has to either recommit to true conservative principles - or it will soon cease to be relevant.

mookiemookie

11-08-12, 09:15 AM

Team R has to either recommit to true conservative principles - or it will soon cease to be relevant.

The problem there is that if you ask 10 different self-described conservatives what "true conservative principles" are and who embodied them the most, you're going to get 10 different answers. You may get the mythical, reinvented, idealized version of Reagan (I doubt you'd get the actual Reagan), you may get Teddy Roosevelt, you may get Lincoln, you may get Eisenhower....but I think what needs to happen is that Team R needs to settle on what the core party platform needs to be, without influence from the NRA, or the Christian Coalition, or the Tea Party. The GOP is being yanked in all these different directions and I think they're finding they can't cater to everyone and win elections.

CCIP

11-08-12, 09:29 AM

It's a tough choice, but I think that in a country which is slowly becoming more liberal in its views becoming more conservative will only hinder them in the long run.

I think more generally, American conservatives need to realize that the US is never going to be a WASP country again and the demographics are changing and will continue changing. It's not an evil plot nor a loss - it's just reality. The lean to the left is a consequence of engaging in global society and global economy. Most of the world's population is more or less socialist, and it's hard to see a situation where it will not be in the near future. If the US continues to be an open, democratic society (which it can't not be, by the constitution), it will have to contend with this fact. Trying to assert a narrow cultural identity may still work now, but 20 years down the road I honestly cannot see US social conservatism having any real political hope, unless something really drastic happens and they manage to "shut down" the country to outside influence, with all the costs that entails.

I think the only hope for the "conservative American dream" is to focus on fiscal conservatism, libertarianism, and responsible government. They need to win over more non-white, non-christian, non-traditional voters to that vision and to really focus on defending the constitution. There absolutely does need to be an alternative to socialism, in fact it's essential to retain that alternative for the US to exist and work as a country. But if the GOP continues choosing to play to the tune of the Tea Party and the like, they will not last long, and the US will become a socialist country in, say, 20 years time. Not because socialists are evil, but for lack of a better alternative. Conservatives need to wake up and do something about it, and that's that. And no, shutting down the country to outsiders and suppressing minorities' political rights will only go so far (before they lash out against you), so I wouldn't even try that.

August

11-08-12, 10:04 AM

without influence from the NRA, or the Christian Coalition, or the Tea Party. The GOP is being yanked in all these different directions and I think they're finding they can't cater to everyone and win elections.

I only agree with a third of that. Gun rights are one of the few Republican planks that enjoys wide support. So much support that the Democrats who have always championed anti-gun efforts have shied away from it in recent years and with good reason.

As for the Tea Party the Democrats have done a good job vilifying them but their core message is still very sound: "Stop wasting our tax money on non essential things". Fiscal conservatism is not something that should be marginalized and shame on the Democrats for doing it.

AVGWarhawk

11-08-12, 11:19 AM

...but I think what needs to happen is that Team R needs to settle on what the core party platform needs to be, without influence from the NRA, or the Christian Coalition, or the Tea Party. The GOP is being yanked in all these different directions and I think they're finding they can't cater to everyone and win elections.

Much like the Dems who cater to? Someone is always getting catered. Just need to cater to the larger group of those enjoying the type of catering you're offering. :up:

Tribesman

11-08-12, 11:45 AM

As for the Tea Party the Democrats have done a good job vilifying them but their core message is still very sound: "Stop wasting our tax money on non essential things". Fiscal conservatism is not something that should be marginalized and shame on the Democrats for doing it.
The problem with the tea party is that its "stop wansting our tax money on non essential thing apart from whichever thing I happen to like at the moment and don't touch my welfare or tax breaks as I deserve those but take them other peoples because I don't think they deserve it like I do"

geetrue

11-08-12, 11:51 AM

I once drove a '56 Ford out to Oakland and back. :yep:

I bet you were happy ... 1956 was the first year that Ford had seat belts :know:

August

11-08-12, 12:02 PM

I bet you were happy ... 1956 was the first year that Ford had seat belts :know:

Wait until you see the picture. :)

AVGWarhawk

11-08-12, 12:05 PM

Wait until you see the picture. :)

:up: I want to see!

eddie

11-08-12, 02:04 PM

I only agree with a third of that. Gun rights are one of the few Republican planks that enjoys wide support. So much support that the Democrats who have always championed anti-gun efforts have shied away from it in recent years and with good reason.

As for the Tea Party the Democrats have done a good job vilifying them but their core message is still very sound: "Stop wasting our tax money on non essential things". Fiscal conservatism is not something that should be marginalized and shame on the Democrats for doing it.

When are people going to wake up and not listen to this piece of crap CEO?
"The National Rifle Association certainly contributed to fears of expanded gun control in Obama's second term. "An anti-gun Supreme Court, a U.N. Arms Trade Treaty, and a sweeping gun ban aren't just a possibility in a second Obama term," the association's CEO, Wayne LaPierre, wrote on the group's website (http://home.nra.org/#/nraorg/text/latest_blog,2). "They're a near certainty."

:har::har::har:

Let me know when the UN troops show up to take your guns!!:haha:

BTW, the NRA spent $13 Million on this election, and it didn't work either!

Onkel Neal

11-09-12, 09:46 AM

The problem there is that if you ask 10 different self-described conservatives what "true conservative principles" are and who embodied them the most, you're going to get 10 different answers. You may get the mythical, reinvented, idealized version of Reagan (I doubt you'd get the actual Reagan), you may get Teddy Roosevelt, you may get Lincoln, you may get Eisenhower....but I think what needs to happen is that Team R needs to settle on what the core party platform needs to be, without influence from the NRA, or the Christian Coalition, or the Tea Party. The GOP is being yanked in all these different directions and I think they're finding they can't cater to everyone and win elections.

Actually, without the NRA+Christian vote, who do the Republicans represent?

mookiemookie

11-09-12, 10:08 AM

Actually, without the NRA+Christian vote, who do the Republicans represent?

I think this article is a nice answer:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/conservatisms-hour/

August

11-09-12, 10:30 AM

Let me know when the UN troops show up to take your guns!!:haha:

Show me where LaPierre said UN troops would be confiscating guns or admit you're wildly exaggerating what he said. Seems to be a habit for Democrats.

BTW, the NRA spent $13 Million on this election, and it didn't work either!

Oh really? How many Democrats ran on anti-gun platforms this election?

Tribesman

11-09-12, 11:00 AM

Show me where LaPierre said UN troops would be confiscating guns or admit you're wildly exaggerating what he said. Seems to be a habit for Democrats.

It was Keene who said your president was working with the UN and asking them to do everything possible to take away your guns.
So thats the NRA president not the NRA vice president who said the UN are
coming for your guns:03:

So you can see why people are confused and the Beckheads on this forum repeatedly make the claim that the evil UN troops launching from secret Fema death camps are coming for your guns:rotfl2:

AVGWarhawk

11-09-12, 12:05 PM

They can have the guns. Problem, the guns will still find a way into the city streets. Just another black market to contend with.

Oberon

11-09-12, 01:17 PM

I think this article is a nice answer:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/conservatisms-hour/

Not a bad article that. :yep:

Hottentot

11-09-12, 01:23 PM

They can have the guns. Problem, the guns will still find a way into the city streets. Just another black market to contend with.

Coming to the political rhetorics near you next: War on Illegal Guns?

Skybird

11-09-12, 01:48 PM

Some days ago, some people were angered over the opinion piece by Jakob Augstein that I linked to. I am still sharing his view, but never did that in such a pedantic and literal way as some seem to have understood the article.

However, this also is from Der Spiegel, a critical reply to that earlier piece that focusses on the German hobby of criticising America. And I also share this view now, but again do not do that literally, and pedantically agreeing on every single depicted detail - the general direction the author is aiming ta is what makes this piece correct.

For both opinion pieces, I think it is good advice to differ the verbal transportation vehicle form the general direction the author is aiming at.

But that maybe is difficult to do if one is too deeply entrenched in ones' already established views.

And realising that maybe is what makes such opinion pieces valuable. They provoke.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/commentary-on-why-germans-want-america-s-downfall-a-866153.html

AVGWarhawk

11-09-12, 02:49 PM

Coming to the political rhetorics near you next: War on Illegal Guns?

ATF.

Hottentot

11-10-12, 03:35 AM

ATF.

Asian Tennis Federation :06:

Jimbuna

11-10-12, 05:47 AM

All Time Favourite

Oberon

11-10-12, 06:39 AM

Fleet Ocean Tug? :hmmm:

Hottentot

11-10-12, 07:13 AM

All Time Favourite

Cheers! :salute:

AVGWarhawk

11-10-12, 07:27 AM

Asian Tennis Federation :06:

Alcohol, tobacco and firearms. A federal agency that police these three.

mookiemookie

11-10-12, 07:53 AM

I thought this was super interesting. A collection of maps that show how the election would have looked like without universal sufferage:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/what-the-2012-election-would-have-looked-like-with

Onkel Neal

11-10-12, 08:23 AM

Sigh. Now I'm just wistful. :-?

It's sweet that the headline states that we have universal suffrage. We don't. Tens of thousands of Americans have had their voting rights take from them with no hope of earning them back, because they are convicted felons. In Florida, for example, 23% of the African American population alone is disenfranchised. Even after these people pay their debt to society, many of them are prevented from voting.

O lawd. Come on, guys, you are disenfranchising the drug dealer vote. :down:

And next: "undocumented" immigrants denied the right to take part in the electoral process.

u crank

11-10-12, 08:59 AM

I thought this was super interesting. A collection of maps that show how the election would have looked like without universal sufferage:

What this means? White men need help.

:har:

geetrue

11-10-12, 12:20 PM

What this means? White men need help.

:har:

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u crank

11-10-12, 12:51 PM

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Those in need thank you Sir. :O:

Who me? No....

Tribesman

11-11-12, 03:40 AM

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But if angry old white men were getting some maybe they wouldn't be voting team R anymore:03:

AVGWarhawk

11-11-12, 05:45 AM

But if angry old white men were getting some maybe they wouldn't be voting team R anymore:03:

Bill Clinton can attest to that.

Rilder

11-11-12, 08:29 AM

O lawd. Come on, guys, you are disenfranchising the drug dealer vote. :down:

Oh so thats why the conservatives are so against legalizing Marijuana, gotta lock up a sizable chunk of those young people who might vote democrat. :O:

Cohaagen

11-11-12, 09:25 AM

It was Keene who said your president was working with the UN and asking them to do everything possible to take away your guns.
So thats the NRA president not the NRA vice president who said the UN are
coming for your guns:03:

So you can see why people are confused and the Beckheads on this forum repeatedly make the claim that the evil UN troops launching from secret Fema death camps are coming for your guns:rotfl2:

The thing I can't understand about RKBA'ers is that their argument is fundamentally predicated on the sacred principle that an armed populace cannot be tyrannised, and yet they cringe in fear because "Obama's going to take our guns away". Hold on, isn't owning guns supposed to prevent just that? If gun ownership is the ultimate guarantor of freedom aren't you meant to shoot them when they come around to enact the confiscation? Isn't that how it works? What are you worried about?

Of course, they - at least the smart ones - know deep down that 1) it will never happen, and 2) that if it ever did, it'd be cops and US troops, the very heroes of the American right, who'd be tasked with carrying out any gun grab, and then all their tough talk about aiming for the windshield would melt away like lard on a pavement. That's why they have to invent this preposterous phantom of blue berets coming down the road shouting "papers please!" and taking away ol' granpappy's deer rifle in order to indulge their apocalyptic, doom-laden fantasies and continue sucking on their full metal jacket comfort blankie. I like guns - they're a lot of fun. But my god, you could hardly invent a gang of more unattractive perverts and dislikeable crackpots than the ideologues of the US gun lobby.

Betonov

11-11-12, 10:48 AM

Election day for our president today.
Off to the polls and coffee

Sailor Steve

11-11-12, 10:49 AM

Best of luck. :sunny:

u crank

11-11-12, 11:12 AM

Election day for our president today.
Off to the polls and coffee

Hope you win, Mr. President.:D

Betonov

11-11-12, 11:16 AM

Better to run for prime minister here

Voted

Hottentot

11-11-12, 11:59 AM

Best of luck. :sunny:

No, don't you see?! It will be the most unlucky event if [Insert Betonov's preferred candidate] wins! It will be end of the world, lollipops and kittens because he/she/it is a socialist marxist muslim communist nazi troll! Why do you support [Insert Betonov's preferred candidate]?! Adam Smith and Karl Marx say you are a bad person!

[Insert candidate] is so much better! I think I'll go create a million threads on the Internet forums about how much [Insert Betonov's preferred candidate] sucks! That should make them see the light!

I'm independent, by the way.

Betonov

11-11-12, 01:57 PM

Hotts made me laugh right now :D

Actually I did that ancient democratic tradition. Voted not for someone, but agains another one :D
Don't have a prefered candidate. They're all monkeys to me

Betonov

11-11-12, 02:03 PM

I hijacked this thread about American presidents to force you to observe the Slovene elections. I demand grilled squid as ransom.

http://images.24ur.com/media/images/600xX/Nov2012/61079455.jpg?d41d
We got Borut Pahor, former prime minister and a lefty
Danilo Türk, curent president, lefty and a law professor
Milan Zver, righty and a puppet to the curent PM

Voted Türk. I can't stand the thought of a puppet of jansa (PM) in the presidential palace and we simply dont have the money for another former president

CCIP

11-11-12, 02:17 PM

I for one welcome our new Slovenian overlords :D

mookiemookie

11-11-12, 02:39 PM

They look like they're in the Fortress of Solitude.

Onkel Neal

11-11-12, 04:04 PM

Jimbuna

11-11-12, 04:14 PM

http://images.24ur.com/media/images/600xX/Nov2012/61079455.jpg?d41d

Would you buy double glazing or a car off any of these men? :hmm2:

:03:

August

11-11-12, 04:44 PM

D Turk? I thought the Aussies fixed their wagon at Bathsheba? :hmmm:

nikimcbee

11-11-12, 05:57 PM

Sailor Steve

11-11-12, 06:55 PM

I voted for Putin in that election.
Putin it in where?

Betonov

11-12-12, 04:20 AM

Putin it mildly, this country needs a Pinochet to show the people that the curent system, ineficient as it may be, is better than the alternative.

I've been called an idiot for voting by my peers.

The problem is in my opinion, the fact that Tito was a benevolant dictator. If we ignore Goli otok summer camp for political disidents. And people miss those times.

geetrue

11-12-12, 04:18 PM

I see this is putin an end to the election about Obama
which is fine with me ...:up:

I had to take a second look at the title of the thread to make
sure I was putin it in the right place :woot:

AVGWarhawk

11-12-12, 04:34 PM

Just don't be putin it where the sun don't shine. :stare:

Jimbuna

11-13-12, 09:38 AM

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/263/895/6d0.jpg

Betonov

11-13-12, 09:45 AM

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/27864286.jpg

Hottentot

11-13-12, 10:43 AM

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/27864286.jpg

You asked for it!

Medvedev: "Hey, Vladimir, why are you dressed like you'd be going to someone's funeral?"
Putin: "Because I am soon."
Medvedev: "Oh! Sorry to hear that! Whose?"
Putin: "I haven't decided yet."

Sailor Steve

11-13-12, 10:53 AM

Medvedev: "What are we going to do tonight, Vlad?"
Putin: "The same thing we do every night, Dmitri - try to take over the world!"

Hottentot

11-13-12, 10:58 AM

Medvedev: "What are we going to do tonight, Vlad?"
Putin: "The same thing we do every night, Dmitri - try to take over Finland!"

Fixed. The joke is on Finns there, though, so it doesn't count.

Edit: And to add something that counts. Taken from Putin's diary: "Dear Diary. Today I promised myself to learn how the timezones work. It was awfully awkward when I sent my condolences to Barack Obama on the loss of one of his top generals, and it arrived two hours too early."

Jimbuna

11-13-12, 11:14 AM

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129115810026274281.jpg

geetrue

11-13-12, 12:04 PM

Taken from Putin's diary: "Dear Diary. Today I promised myself to learn how the timezones work. It was awfully awkward when I sent my condolences to Barack Obama on the loss of one of his top generals, and it arrived two hours too early."

:har:

Sailor Steve

11-13-12, 03:19 PM

Fixed. The joke is on Finns there, though, so it doesn't count.
No, that joke is a spin on the cartoon series 'Pinky and The Brain.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHn0pBePN7I

Betonov

11-13-12, 03:57 PM

http://elspethlodge.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/political-pictures-putin-dmitry-take-over-world5.jpg

http://www.doomsteaddiner.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/pinky_brain.jpg

Oberon

11-13-12, 04:07 PM

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/political-pictures-putin-hu-poison-drink.jpg

Sailor Steve

11-13-12, 04:26 PM

@ Betonov: I looked all over for that picture and couldn't find it. Thanks for putin it up. :rock:

Jimbuna

11-13-12, 04:28 PM

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7515/putinbird.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/putinbird.jpg/)

Takeda Shingen

11-13-12, 04:32 PM

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/political-pictures-putin-hu-poison-drink.jpg

:rotfl2:

Platapus

11-13-12, 07:51 PM

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/political-pictures-putin-hu-poison-drink.jpg

The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true!

Sailor Steve

11-13-12, 09:10 PM

The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true!
:rock:

I like to get in, get it done, get out and get on with it.
Get it?

Oberon

11-13-12, 09:28 PM

"You do not need to kill the General, we have already arranged to kill the General... Do you not see? That if we kill him with the pill from the till by making with it the drug in the jug, you need not light the candle with the handle on the Gateau from the Chateau!"
"Simple plots are always the best..."

Sailor Steve

11-13-12, 11:19 PM

Sidetrack city.

Hottentot

11-13-12, 11:34 PM

No, that joke is a spin on the cartoon series 'Pinky and The Brain.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHn0pBePN7I

I know, I wrote a whole AAR not too long ago based on that theme. :03:

My "fix" was a jab at the Finns who think Finland is the center of the universe and that the eeeeeeevil Russia and it's eeeeeeevil leaders are everyday plotting to find a reason to declare war and occupy our country. So that we could then have a heroic Winter War Vol. 2 and every little Battlefield playing armchair hero could get there to frag baddies. Some of them really get wet about this idea, you know.

soopaman2

11-14-12, 12:14 AM

I know, I wrote a whole AAR not too long ago based on that theme. :03:

My "fix" was a jab at the Finns who think Finland is the center of the universe and that the eeeeeeevil Russia and it's eeeeeeevil leaders are everyday plotting to find a reason to declare war and occupy our country. So that we could then have a heroic Winter War Vol. 2 and every little Battlefield playing armchair hero could get there to frag baddies. Some of them really get wet about this idea, you know.

Sadly if Russia ever did do that, it would not be as glorious as it was in the past when you invented molotov cocktails. Russian tanks are sealed better now.

It would be a bloodbath. It would be like Germany beating on Poland, or the USA beating Iraq in a week (first gulf war). Especially as unaccustomed to war as the Finns are. (honestly, you guys lack practice in real world situations)
(forget the manpower difference)
Your warhawk pals are silly, just as my warhawks pals are.

Oberon

11-14-12, 12:24 AM

Your warhawk pals are silly, just as my warhawks pals are.

I think most warhawk people forget that real people don't respawn...

Catfish

11-14-12, 03:08 AM

I think most warhawk people forget that real people don't respawn...

This was priceless :D
:up:

Sailor Steve

11-14-12, 08:36 AM

My "fix" was a jab at the Finns who think Finland is the center of the universe and that the eeeeeeevil Russia and it's eeeeeeevil leaders are everyday plotting to find a reason to declare war and occupy our country. So that we could then have a heroic Winter War Vol. 2 and every little Battlefield playing armchair hero could get there to frag baddies. Some of them really get wet about this idea, you know.
Well, there you go. Some insular know-it-all Yankee wasn't supposed to know that, was I? :O:

On the other hand, now that you explain it, that is pretty darned funny. :rock:

Sailor Steve

11-14-12, 08:37 AM

I think most warhawk people forget that real people don't respawn...
Young Jackie's last words: "I disbelieve! I disbelieve!"

Hottentot

11-14-12, 08:49 AM

Sadly if Russia ever did do that, it would not be as glorious as it was in the past when you invented molotov cocktails.

You don't say? We are talking about people who think that a major player in the international relations (which already has its fair share of unstable or at least hostile border countries, not entirely unrelated to its own policies) has nothing better to do than to plan a war on a minor nation that tries its best to maintain good relations with it in any case. Logic never entered that equation in the first place.

I could go on a tangent on if Winter War was glorious in the first place, but this is not the place for it. Suffice to say that I cringe whenever someone posts that meme picture with the statistics.

It would be a bloodbath. It would be like Germany beating on Poland, or the USA beating Iraq in a week (first gulf war).Oh, we know that. I suppose even most of the diehard armchair generals at some level realize that. The glorious part comes when we start a guerilla war. Because, you know, those always turn out well to the occupied countries' infrastructure and civilian population and make them real happy jolly good paradises. And because every Finn these days knows by instinct how to survive in the wilderness. And because we are all trained from the childhood to guerilla war. And all that. It'll be glorious, I'm telling you!

Your warhawk pals are silly, just as my warhawks pals are.Delusional, rather. Fortunately they are a minority.