View Full Version : Navy to turn seawater into biofuel.
Gargamel
09-29-12, 12:02 PM
http://news.discovery.com/tech/navy-seawater-jet-biofuel-120928.html
Seawater into jp5. Good idea!!
Jimbuna
09-29-12, 12:13 PM
How long before the Chinese obtain the formula and undercut the US? :03:
But but... if you stop the Carriers from needing oil then there won't be a need to send them to beat up third world countries for their oil! They'd make themselves useless! :O:
Catfish
09-29-12, 03:00 PM
But but... if you stop the Carriers from needing oil then there won't be a need to send them to beat up third world countries for their oil! They'd make themselves useless! :O:
:up: lol
Don't worry, they will find another reason. Red alert, blah, terrorists can be anywhere, so you can beat up third world countries without even declaring war.
Cool so when a carrier captian starts on a voyage he can uncheck the 'limited fuel' checkbox and still play on 100% realsim like a boss :D
Jimbuna
09-29-12, 03:41 PM
Cool so when a carrier captian starts on a voyage he can uncheck the 'limited fuel' checkbox and still play on 100% realsim like a boss :D
Won't be able to afford it, the Tories will have already implemented seaweed tax into the statute books :03:
Won't be able to afford it, the Tories will have already implemented seaweed tax into the statute books :03:
Oh yes silly me :haha:
Jimbuna
09-29-12, 03:45 PM
Oh yes silly me :haha:
LOL :03:
Stealhead
09-29-12, 07:28 PM
The rest of the US military uses JP8 and JP5 is a special blend designed for sea use and is a bit more expensive.I know that the USAF also has a bio program in place.What many people do not realize is that most all diesel powered machinery in the US military actually runs on JP8 that lacks all the high cost additives that is added to it for aircraft use.
That means that without conversion most of the US military can easily run on two different types of fuel.A HUMVEE for example has a diesel engine and can run on normal diesel fuel or JP8.Of course turbine and jet engines do not have this multi fuel capability.The reason that diesel engines are so versatile is because Rudolf Diesel designed it that way and he actually had peanut oil in mind as the primary fuel.Jet fuels happen to be very similar to diesel which is why no conversion is required.
The Marines even have dirt bikes that run on JP8.
Karle94
09-29-12, 07:40 PM
The M1 Abrams can run on JP4, JP8, gasoline, and diesel.
soopaman2
09-29-12, 08:40 PM
How long before the Chinese obtain the formula and undercut the US? :03:
As soon as they can steal the formula from us/reverse engineer it, bypass patents like they do with everything America makes. From movies to phones.
China loves breaking the rules. Then crying to the WTO about proposed duties or tarriffs we wish to add to their cheap lead laden poisoned crap they export to us. Despite their own tarriffs on US made goods.
Don't get me started on the manipulation of the RMB, no one in the world cares about.
(except the American worker)
soopaman2
09-29-12, 08:47 PM
The M1 Abrams can run on JP4, JP8, gasoline, and diesel.
I once heard it could run on vegetable oil if needed.
I cannot verify with a link sorry. (so yeah, it might be bull-stuffing)
Though it would foul up the engine over time.
Stealhead
09-29-12, 09:26 PM
The Abrams runs on a turbine engine but it does not need to have the ultra consistent ignition rate that a turbine engine say in a C-130 needs so you could convert it to run on other things.
According to Honeywell who makes the turbine engine for the Abrams it can run on jet fuel, diesel,gasoline, and marine diesel it does not specify if anything must be done planning to run on on type or another long term but my guess is that some minor conversion might be required to make it run properly long term on greatly differing duel say normally jet fuel and then switching to gasoline.
You would have to view a T.O. on the maintenance of an Abrams tanks to know for sure and most likely you wont be able to acquire that information.
http://www51.honeywell.com/aero/common/documents/myaerospacecatalog-documents/SurfaceSystems/AGT1500_Turbine_Technology.pdf
Cybermat47
09-29-12, 09:31 PM
Thats a good idea!
:up: lol
Don't worry, they will find another reason. Red alert, blah, terrorists can be anywhere, so you can beat up third world countries without even declaring war.
Maybe we'll just fool ya and use our carriers as rescue and relief support platforms like we did after the Indonesian tsunami. I mean when we can find time from beating up third world countries.
Stealhead
09-29-12, 10:26 PM
Maybe we'll just fool ya and use our carriers as rescue and relief support platforms like we did after the Indonesian tsunami. I mean when we can find time from beating up third world countries.
Good one.And to think they told us to leave even though we where helping their citizens when they where not able to who is beating up who then? The only reason they did that was because
here was the US helping people and mostly muslims at that so it seems to me that the Indonesian government did not want its citizens to think of the US and think of being aided so they kicked us out.
soopaman2
09-29-12, 10:36 PM
God forbid we actually be seen as using our power in a humanitarian sense.
Kinda makes you wish for another mega quake.
Signed- the great Satan
Note the capital letter on Satan, our evilness is patented, copyrighted and trademarked. (I am sure China will steal it now)
Stealhead
09-29-12, 10:52 PM
I'll pass on wishing for another tsunami myself that way innocent people dont get screwed over by the games of crappy governments(Indonesian) when they should take any help they can get.
It's not the only time we've used our warships for peaceful purposes either. Last time we toured the USS Salem there was a whole museum display about the ships relief work in Greece after the 1953 earthquake. As far as I know no third world countries had their ass kicked that time either.
soopaman2
09-29-12, 11:34 PM
I'll pass on wishing for another tsunami myself that way innocent people dont get screwed over by the games of crappy governments(Indonesian) when they should take any help they can get.
It just burns my ass to see something we do with good intentions, and be spit on for trying.
I am sorry for advocating another quake. Thankfully for all of us , god/mother earth does not listen to me.
Jimbuna
09-30-12, 06:07 AM
As soon as they can steal the formula from us/reverse engineer it, bypass patents like they do with everything America makes. From movies to phones.
China loves breaking the rules. Then crying to the WTO about proposed duties or tarriffs we wish to add to their cheap lead laden poisoned crap they export to us. Despite their own tarriffs on US made goods.
Don't get me started on the manipulation of the RMB, no one in the world cares about.
(except the American worker)
Agreed...we feel similarly in the UK as well as a host of other countries I suspect.
Stealhead
09-30-12, 03:16 PM
It just burns my ass to see something we do with good intentions, and be spit on for trying.
I am sorry for advocating another quake. Thankfully for all of us , god/mother earth does not listen to me.
Well at least it was not the people actually getting helped that complained and instead a government.
em2nought
10-01-12, 06:22 AM
Maybe Obama can harness the energy off that perfect algae growing reflecting pool revamped for $34 million tax dollars.:D
Stealhead
10-01-12, 10:51 AM
I doubt that it is the same kind but some folks are crazy about some type of green algae supposedly has all you need in it.
Anyway bio diesel is actually becoming popular with farmers and truckers mainly I guess because it is made in the US and doe snot have to be imported.
Everyone hears about people that drive around older Mercedes cars and VW that have diesels well alot of guys that drive full size trucks like F-250s or Dodges with Cummings engines.I have a 1992 F-250 I just buy mine form a guy that processes it it is too much trouble do yourself really though you could make a business of it.Of course the engine does need a little conversion. Only thing is you have to increase the diesel ratio when the weather gets below 60 or buy an anti gelling agent.If you are ever driving down the road and suddenly feel hungry chances are you are smelling the exhaust of a bio diesel.
Actually getting into the bio diesel business is not a bad idea you could make a living just taking it away from restaurants and selling it to people that make bio.
Betonov
10-01-12, 10:58 AM
Everyone hears about people that drive around older Mercedes cars and VW that have diesels
I once saw a Golf 2 diesel run on filtered leftover oil from the fryer.
The owner added it to the diesel fuel to cut costs.
It ran nice until he had to take the engine apart and clean it
Stealhead
10-01-12, 03:09 PM
Yeah clogged the injectors I bet.If you do it that way you better change your fuel filters very often every 2k~3k miles.You have to know what they use to fry with some places use lard which is a no go sooner or later.In the US guys like to go to Asian joints as they tend to use peanut oil so do most fast food joints.I'm betting in Slovenia they might be more likely to use lard peanut oil might be expensive there.
Some guys vacuum the vats at a restaurant or bakery what ever into a large tank mounted on trailer then they go home and pump it into tanks and run it through a filtering process.I'd rather let someone else do that part full time and use a little more chemistry as well save me the trouble that way they have made sure that the oil is kosher so to speak and they can add in anti gelling agents as well.To do it properly is a full time job if you get enough customers its well worth it 1 55 gallon drum could last two or three weeks for a truck more for a small car so people buy in bulk.Or you could also have a pump and sell it that way.
I read on a truck forum a guy said that he drove from Virginia to California in a pickup and he has a little set up on his truck to process he claimed to have used 165 gallons(one way) on the trip that is roughly 18 MPG not bad on normal diesel you get around 12~14 in a large pickup.A small car if it normally gets 40 MPG it must go to 48 or 50 MPG take that hybrid car. Oil companies hate people like me.
The industrial bio is mostly made from soy beans though.
soopaman2
10-01-12, 05:52 PM
Maybe Obama can harness the energy off that perfect algae growing reflecting pool revamped for $34 million tax dollars.:D
I read that too, and was one of my initial thoughts.
My buddy has a pool, and got something in it, that makes the algae not go away. I forgot the name.
I'll ask him at work later tonite, and how it happens. I wish I knew more now.
He had to spring for a new liner, and drain it to fix it.
Every 2 years they have to drain it and refill it (reflecting pool), It is huge I been there, what a waste to us taxpayers, for something most the country will never see in their lifetimes.
I wonder what a filtration system would cost compared to every 2 years buttering some government friends bread to clean the pool?
Stealhead
10-01-12, 06:37 PM
A lot most likely they should ask around I'm sure that someone could come up with a cost effective way to keep it algae free.
em2nought
10-01-12, 07:03 PM
Biodiesel is nice in theory. By-products and newer pump designs are two BIG problems. What do you do with 1000 gallons of glycerine? LOL Seriously I'm asking. :D ...and where do you find cheap injector pumps?
The older Mercedes 300's worked pretty well on it with a good supply of inline fuel filters.
Stealhead
10-01-12, 07:10 PM
Actually with proper additives it is no difference your going to need those cleaned or replaced sooner or later anyway.Your thinking of very Jerry rigged methods if done properly there is no difference.
The newer pumps people simply replace themselves so no big issue there. Furthermore those pumps where desgined in the late 90's early 2000's when bio was much less common now that is
different so manufactures will adapt to the need.
Most real bio users like bio to stick it to OPEC.
You can make soap with 1,000 pounds of glycerin so it is a highly useful by product .
Trust me on this farmers are not interested in doing things that cost them money so when many of them run all their gear on some type of bio that should be a huge clue.
Some of those "converted" Benzs and such are crappy Jerry rigs done by misguided hippies.that in line filter thing is pure jerry rig and really that is not the proper term because Jerry rig is a clever rigging that actually works well which the system you mention does not though there are others that work very well.Do a little research next time.
Hell Diesel himself designed the engine to run on peanut oil and Henry Ford wanted to use Peanut oil for all engines.
http://www.goadvice.com/GreenDCoop/DieselHistory.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGZEMwMx2vk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR58dWGeBks
The truth shall set you free.
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