Tehrangeles: How Iranians made part of LA their own

[Gerald]

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/866/63186984tehrangelescomp.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/63186984tehrangelescomp.jpg/)
Google maps recently recognised "Tehrangeles" as a neighbourhood of central Los Angeles. How did this upmarket part of LA become home to the largest community of Iranians outside Iran?

"We're on the map, I mean why shouldn't we be on the map?" says a girl at a hip Los Angeles cafe where young Iranians hang out.

"There's Koreatown, and Chinatown. Why shouldn't we have an area?"

Now they do.

Estimates show anywhere from 300,000 to over half a million Iranians in Southern California, with many living in Tehrangeles.

"Do not engage in any Iranian gossiping if you're not prepared to defend it," says Mahdis Keshavarz, who runs an LA PR agency. "Because everyone here speaks Farsi."

"The first time I came to LA as a student I was on campus and I heard Persian and I turned with that knee-jerk reaction, of 'Wow, cool, another Iranian,'" says Amy Malek, a PhD graduate at UCLA, who studies the Iranian diaspora.

"And the girl looked me up and down as if to say, 'Why are you staring at me, what's the big deal?'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19751370


Note: 29 September 2012 Last updated at 00:23 GMT

[JU_88]

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/866/63186984tehrangelescomp.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/63186984tehrangelescomp.jpg/)
Google maps recently recognised "Tehrangeles" as a neighbourhood of central Los Angeles. How did this upmarket part of LA become home to the largest community of Iranians outside Iran?





http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19751370


Note: 29 September 2012 Last updated at 00:23 GMT


yeah I heard that since the crisis, LA & Califonia in gerneral is becoming this way (A migrant capitial), there are even videos on youtube about how many U.S nationals are up and leaving it - I hear they are doing this after losing their jobs and being unable keep up with morgage repayments etc, so they move somewhere more affordable. But if thats true I dont understand how the immigants are affording it? Renting i guess...

Im in london so I have no problem with a china town here or an arab town there :D - but there needs to be a line in the sand some where.
Im fine with multi cuturalsim to an extent, the trouble is that some pro muti culturalists fail to realise that when one particular nationalitiy take over a large enough area, its no longer 'multi-cultural' is it? Then you can start to feel abit alienated in your own town or city, thats not really fair.
These cultural melting pots are hit and miss, they are great when they work, but when they dont it can makes things pretty awful as you just get a bunch of segregated communities, which never makes for a nice enviroment to live in.
When people place too much of their idenity in their race, culture releigion or nationality, It tends to make them dumber and when they get in to groups - bad things start to happen as indervidual responisibily diminishes. Some people just dont know how to be an indervidual and be proud of that.
I wish we had two planets, one for nice calm people and one for obnoxious idiots :)

[Gerald]

In Sweden, a "relatively" large country, certainly with less population, an UK .. and it is quite clear that minorities are taking over parts of cities, segregation that result and widening gaps between rich and poor and growing barriers, with similar ethnic background.

[Jimbuna]

yeah I heard that since the crisis, LA & Califonia in gerneral is becoming this way (A migrant capitial), there are even videos on youtube about how many U.S nationals are up and leaving it - I hear they are doing this after losing their jobs and being unable keep up with morgage repayments etc, so they move somewhere more affordable. But if thats true I dont understand how the immigants are affording it? Renting i guess...

Im in london so I have no problem with a china town here or an arab town there :D - but there needs to be a line in the sand some where.
Im fine with multi cuturalsim to an extent, the trouble is that some pro muti culturalists fail to realise that when one particular nationalitiy take over a large enough area, its no longer 'multi-cultural' is it? Then you can start to feel abit alienated in your own town or city, thats not really fair.
These cultural melting pots are hit and miss, they are great when they work, but when they dont it can makes things pretty awful as you just get a bunch of segregated communities, which never makes for a nice enviroment to live in.
When people place too much of their idenity in their race, culture releigion or nationality, It tends to make them dumber and when they get in to groups - bad things start to happen as indervidual responisibily diminishes. Some people just dont know how to be an indervidual and be proud of that.
I wish we had two planets, one for nice calm people and one for obnoxious idiots :)

Some of the best places to eat F....Chinatown in our cities :)

We have a lengthy road in my home town that is full of restaurants more ethnic groups such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Italy etc. and they are very popular. In fact we have a chain of local chippies owned by an Indian national :)

[Gargamel]

Are they here legally? Are they causing problems?

Then leave them alone

We're a country of immigrants. We pretty much wiped out the only natives we got.

Not sure why this is even a story.

[Jimbuna]

Are they here legally? Are they causing problems?

Then leave them alone

We're a country of immigrants. We pretty much wiped out the only natives we got.

Not sure why this is even a story.

Best ask the OP but I could hazard a guess :)

[JU_88]

What in case they pick up arms against America? Fat chance :haha:
More likey it would happen the otherway around.

[Takeda Shingen]

Are they here legally? Are they causing problems?

Then leave them alone

We're a country of immigrants. We pretty much wiped out the only natives we got.

Not sure why this is even a story.

Exactly. The US has always welcomed immigrants of the legal variety. Notice how they are not rioting in the streets.

[Jimbuna]

Exactly. The US has always welcomed immigrants of the legal variety. Notice how they are not rioting in the streets.

Pretty much the same in the UK...not too sure about the rioting recently though. I put that down to brainless youths of ALL nationalities and ethnicticites.

[JU_88]

Pretty much the same in the UK...not too sure about the rioting recently though. I put that down to brainless youths of ALL nationalities and ethnicticites.

Yeah - that was just opportunistic, not politically motivated at all, which is in fact worse, as it points out that we (as a country) have really screwed up somewhere along the line, blame parents /schools /politicians as you will - but someones failed somewhere in order for those rioters to become that selfish, materialistic and stupid. :down:

[Jimbuna]

Yeah - that was just opportunistic, not politically motivated at all, which is in fact worse, as it points out that we (as a country) have really screwed up somewhere along the line, blame parents /schools /politicians as you will - but someones failed somewhere in order for those rioters to become that selfish, materialistic and stupid. :down:

Rgr that :yep:

[Gerald]

Are they here legally? Are they causing problems?

Then leave them alone

We're a country of immigrants. We pretty much wiped out the only natives we got.

Not sure why this is even a story. Why this is a story? Simple, just because people have different views and see things in an impartial manner without being disqualified in his performance.

[MH]

In Sweden, a "relatively" large country, certainly with less population, an UK .. and it is quite clear that minorities are taking over parts of cities, segregation that result and widening gaps between rich and poor and growing barriers, with similar ethnic background.

Sweden seem to have lots of problems due to emigration from ME and north Africa but i doubt if the issue has anything to do with Iranian emigrants.

[Gerald]

Sweden seem to have lots of problems due to emigration from ME and north Africa but i doubt if the issue has anything to do with Iranian emigrants. Sweden is generous in its immigration policies, we have opened the door for many refugees from other countries, such as those you describe ..... but to say that it has traced out completely is to take in, but in situations where there is concern must are adequate ways to go, who to accept people who really need it, here in Sweden, people with money come who can afford to flee,(sometimes occurs) a balance should be made so that it works for all parties,and not only unilaterally.

[Jimbuna]

Unaware of many refugees coming into the UK other than those who receive benefits.

Undoubtadly there will be some but they are definitely in the minority...that is the fundamental perception of UK citizens.

[Gerald]

Of course, those who come here with a lot of money, and seeking asylum a small part, unfortunately, it will then incorrect signals to newspapers about this etc. and then the circus started.

[geetrue]

Speaking of LA ... did you know that 90% of the LA Times is owned by the Latter Day Saints LDS?

The same people that are backing Romney whom I predict will lose to Obama, but then I told everyone to vote for the other canidate.

I like the fact that LDS money defeated same sex marriage proposal in California last time it came up for a vote, but that's about all I like about those crazy people that worship dead saints and build monuments to them that look like Disneyland on the side of hwy 5 in san Diego.

Southern California is full of all kinds of various people from illegal aliens to legal aliens to even real aliens with men in black taking out insiders that know too much about things they aren't suppose to know.

LA is especially full of people that say and think, "I got mine, now you get yours" :|\\

[Stealhead]

Speaking of LA ... did you know that 90% of the LA Times is owned by the Latter Day Saints LDS?

The same people that are backing Romney whom I predict will lose to Obama, but then I told everyone to vote for the other canidate.

I like the fact that LDS money defeated same sex marriage proposal in California last time it came up for a vote, but that's about all I like about those crazy people that worship dead saints and build monuments to them that look like Disneyland on the side of hwy 5 in san Diego.

Southern California is full of all kinds of various people from illegal aliens to legal aliens to even real aliens with men in black taking out insiders that know too much about things they aren't suppose to know.

LA is especially full of people that say and think, "I got mine, now you get yours" :|\\

:doh:

[Sailor Steve]

did you know that 90% of the LA Times is owned by the Latter Day Saints LDS?
No, I didn't, and I still don't. The digging I did indicates that the LA Times is solely owned by The Tribune Corporation. I followed several links and could find nothing related to the LDS Church. That doesn't mean you're wrong, but I would like to see a real connection.

[Tribesman]

I like the fact that LDS money defeated same sex marriage proposal in California last time it came up for a vote,
Thats the one the judge made them release the financial backing of the campaign isn't it
So thats the outcome of the vote that was financed by an unsurprising amount of closted poofs and an extremely shocking number of rather nasty serious sex offenders?
Nice to see you like to share their views and support their campaign.

[geetrue]

No, I didn't, and I still don't. The digging I did indicates that the LA Times is solely owned by The Tribune Corporation. I followed several links and could find nothing related to the LDS Church. That doesn't mean you're wrong, but I would like to see a real connection.

I still live in the 1990's lol


In 2000, the Tribune Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribune_Company), parent company of the Chicago Tribune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Tribune) and the area's KTLA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTLA), purchased the Los Angeles Times.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Los_Angeles_Times

So forgive me already :yep:

[geetrue]

I can't find the connection, but only remember it being reported that LDS owned 90% in the 1980's as reported in a Catholic ownED San Diego Union Tribune story.

You don't have to own the whole thing if you have most of the stock. I also tried to find out who owns costco (price club), but finally gave up due to they just plainly don't want you to know unless you pay a research center it is useless to find on your own.

Sorry to make this about LA instead of Iran :o


Ostis Chandler (November 23, 1927 – February 27, 2006) was the publisher of the Los Angeles Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Times) between 1960 and 1980, leading a large expansion of the newspaper and its ambitions.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/#cite_note-LatObit-0) He was the fourth and final member of the Chandler family to hold the paper's top position.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/#cite_note-LatObit-0)

He handed control of the paper to people outside the family in the mid-1980s


article from LA Times:

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/apr/03/business/fi-chandlers3

Chandler family: A timeline accompanying an article in Tuesday's Section A about the founding family of the Los Angeles Times and its then-owner, Times Mirror Co., said the highest price of Tribune Co. stock since Tribune acquired Times Mirror in 2000 was $51.90 a share on April 13, 2004. Tribune's stock price peaked at $53 on Feb. 2, 2004, before the end of that day's trading session. The stock's highest daily close since the acquisition was $52.84 on Feb. 11, 2004.

"After 120 years of my family's ownership and leadership of the Los Angeles Times, I am deeply saddened by what appears to be the final severing of this legacy," said Harry B. Chandler, the oldest surviving son of Otis Chandler, the publisher credited with The Times' greatest triumphs. "For me, this newspaper has been more than just a company I worked at or a source of dividends.... Its pages have been the place that brought together our vast city."
The $34-a-share deal will buy out the family's 20% stake in Tribune. The pretax gain for the roughly 170 beneficiaries of the Chandler Trusts will be more than $1.6 billion. That's a healthy payday but a considerable comedown from the value of their shares just three years ago, when Tribune stock was 36% higher.





or you could ask this man what they own?

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon410.htm


I thought you might find interesting this transcript of the US Senate Committee case regarding Mormon Senator Reed Smoot. Where did Mormon Church President Smith find time for meditation, let alone revelation?

Senate Committee Testimony Transcript:

Mr. Tayler (Senate Attorney):What is your business?
Mr. Smith (Mormon Prophet and President): My principle business is that of president of the church.
Mr. Tayler: In what other business are you engaged?
Mr. Smith: I am engaged in NUMEROUS other businesses.
Mr. Tayler: What?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of Zion's Cooperative Mercantile Institution.
Mr. Tayler: Of what other corporations are you an officer?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the State Bank of Utah, another institution.
Mr. Tayler: What else?
Mr. Smith: PRESIDENT of Zion's Savings Bank and Trust Company.
Mr. Tayler: What else?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the Utah Sugar Company.
Mr. Tayler: What else?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the Consolidated Wagon and Machine Company.
Mr. Tayler: What else?
Mr. Smith: There are several other SMALL INSTITUTIONS with which I am associated.
Mr. Tayler: Are you associated with the Utah Light and Power Company?
Mr. Smith: I am.
Mr. Tayler: In what capacity?
Mr. Smith: I am a director and PRESIDENT of the company.
Mr. Tayler: A director and the president?
Mr. Smith: Yes, sir.
Mr. Tayler: Had you that in mind when you classified the others as 'small concerns'?
Mr. Smith: No sir, I had not that in mind.
Mr. Tayler: That is a 'large concern'?
Mr. Smith: That is a large concern?
Mr. Tayler: Are you an officer of the Salt Lake and Los Angeles Railroad Company?
Mr. Smith: I am.
Mr. Tayler: What?
Mr. Smith: PRESIDENT and director.
Mr. Tayler: Of what else are you President?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the Salt Air Beach Company.
Mr. Tayler: What else, if you can recall.
Mr. Smith: I DO NOT RECALL JUST NOW!
Mr. Tayler: What relation do you sustain to the Idaho Sugar Company?
Mr. Smith: I am a director of that company and also the PRESIDENT of it.
Mr. Tayler: Of the Inland Crystal Salt Company?
Mr. Smith: Also the SAME POSITION THERE.
Mr. Tayler: The Salt Lake Dramatic Association?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of that and also a DIRECTOR.
Mr. Tayler: Are you president of any other corporation there?
Mr. Smith: I DO NOT KNOW. PERHAPS YOU CAN TELL ME!! I DO NOT REMEMBER ANY MORE JUST NOW!
Mr. Tayler: It would seem that the number has grown so large that it would be an undue tax upon your memory to charge you with naming them all.
Mr. Smith: What relation do you sustain to the Salt Lake Knitting Company? Did I already ask you about it?
Mr. Smith: No sir, you did not.
Mr. Tayler: The Salt Lake Knitting Company?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of it, and also a director.
Mr. Tayler: The Union Pacific Railway Company?
Mr. Smith: I am a DIRECTOR.
Mr. Tayler: Are you an official of any mining companies?
Mr. Smith: Yes, sir.
Mr. Tayler: What?
Mr. Smith: I am the vice-president of the Bullion, Beck and Champion Mining Company.
Mr. Tayler: The Deseret News?
Mr. Smith: No, sir.
Mr. Tayler: You have no business relations with that?
Mr. Smith: NO SIR.
Mr. Tayler: Is the Deseret News the 'organ of the Church'?
Mr. Smith: Well, I suppose it is in some sense the 'organ of the church'. It is not opposed to the church, at least.
Mr. Tayler: It has for years published, has it not, at the head of its columns, that it is "the organ of the church", or the "official organ of the church"?
Mr. Smith: Not that I know of.
Mr. Tayler: Do you know who owns it?
Mr. Smith: How is that?
Mr. Tayler: Do you know who owns it?
Mr. Smith: I know who owns the building that it is in.
Mr. Tayler: Who owns the building in which it is published?
Mr. Smith: The church.
Mr. Tayler: The church?
Mr. Smith: Yes, sir.
Mr. Tayler: Tell us what you know about the owners of that newspaper.
Mr. Smith: It has been for a number of years past owned by a company --- AN INCORPORATED COMPANY.
Mr. Tayler: What is the name of the company?
Mr. Smith: The Deseret News Publishing Company.
Mr. Tayler: Do you know who its officers are?
Mr. Smith: No, it is not owned by that company.
Mr. Tayler: Oh, it is not?
Mr. Smith: No; it is not.
Mr. Tayler: What do you know ----
Mr. Smith: But I say for years it was owned by a company of that kind.
Mr. Tayler: What do you know about its present ownership?
Mr. Smith: I presume that the present ownership is IN THE CHURCH.
Mr. Tayler: You suppose the present owner is 'the church'?
Mr. Smith: Yes, sir; the church.
Mr. Tayler: I do not want to have any misconstruction put upon your use of the word 'presume' because you do not know that it is so owned?
Mr. Smith: I really do not know so that I could tell you positively.
Mr. Tayler: Who would know?
Mr. Smith: I PRESUME I could find out.
Mr. Tayler: Could you find out before you leave Washington?
Mr. Smith: Perhaps so.

(SOURCE: Reed Smoot Case transcript, Vol. 1, pp. 81, 82, 83, 86, 87, and 88)

A day later, because the ownership of the Deseret News and its articles were keys to the case, Joseph F. Smith testified:

Mr. Tayler: In what form does your church have title to the Deseret News property?
Mr. Smith: It owns the deed.
Mr. Tayler: I am speaking of the newspaper, not the building.
Mr. Smith: The press; yes. I would like to state that when I was asked that question before, Mr. Tayler, I was not aware of the fact that I have since learned from my counsel here that during the trusteeship of Lorenzo Snow the Deseret News plant was transferred from the Deseret News Company to Lorenzo Snow, trustee, in trust. I was not aware of the fact, Mr. Chairman, when that question was asked me yesterday, I believe it was. I have since learned that that is the fact and that my counsel who is here made out the papers for the transfer. .....
Mr. Tayler: So that it is now in YOU as trustee in trust?
Mr. Smith: NOW I OWN IT AS TRUSTEE IN TRUST. Furthermore, I will say that I have discovered since yesterday that there is published on the second or third page of the Deseret News the statement that it is the "organ of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints"
(Reed Smoot case, Vol. 1, page 158).

As you can see, the Mormon Church has been about business for a very long time.

[Sailor Steve]

The Wiki page was my starting point in my search. I notice there is a reference to a book, but no ownership listing in the article between 1980 and 2004. That's interesting, but I still see no connection with the church.

I live in Utah, and I'm well aware of the plethora of companies the Church owns, or used to own. Still, there is no reference to the Times in that transcript, so I'm not sure I see the point.

It's all good, and I wouldn't put it past them. I just wanted to see some evidence for a claimed "fact".

[Karle94]

Sweden is generous in its immigration policies, we have opened the door for many refugees from other countries, such as those you describe ..... but to say that it has traced out completely is to take in, but in situations where there is concern must are adequate ways to go, who to accept people who really need it, here in Sweden, people with money come who can afford to flee,(sometimes occurs) a balance should be made so that it works for all parties,and not only unilaterally.

If you think that Sweden is generous, then come to Norway. Those that gets thrown out comes back a few months later. Some have been thrown out up to five-six times and are still coming back. Drug runners, rapers, killers and the like. 60% of Norways jail population comes from countries like Somalia, other north African countries and some ME nations. These are the ones that rape and kill. Many here thinks that the immigration policy is way to loose.

[geetrue]

You can't really go all the way in understanding the wealth and power of the LDS church ...

Excuse me I hear a knocking on the door I will have to break off any further research;

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/07/02/us/income-of-mormon-church-is-put-at-4.7-billion-a-year.html

A Phoenix newspaper reported Sunday that the Mormon Church, which does not disclose its finances


The church's business subsidiaries generate an additional $4 billion a year in sales, which, if counted in the total, would make the Mormon Church an $8 billion-a-year corporation, comparable with the Union Carbide Corporation and Borden Inc., The Republic said.
The newspaper said it was unlikely that it had identified all the church's companies, business names or affiliated holdings because financial data were incomplete, partly outdated and sometimes contradictory.
But the newspaper said it was able to conclude that the Mormon Church controlled at least 100 companies or businesses; had become one the nation's largest private landowners, with holdings in all 50 states, and appointed spiritual leaders who could double as business leaders to oversee real estate, communications, tourism, insurance and education operations.
In a written statement, church officials said of the newspaper's report, "While portions of the series are accurate, there are many deficiencies."

[Gerald]

If you think that Sweden is generous, then come to Norway. Those that gets thrown out comes back a few months later. Some have been thrown out up to five-six times and are still coming back. Drug runners, rapers, killers and the like. 60% of Norways jail population comes from countries like Somalia, other north African countries and some ME nations. These are the ones that rape and kill. Many here thinks that the immigration policy is way to loose. I've always liked Norway, was not so long ago I was in Oslo surroundings .... and I agree that the refugee problem is not easy to deal with, perhaps, countries begin to cooperate more for it to be good, Norway and Sweden has very close relations with most things, and have had it for a very long time .... maybe it should be started here in Scandinavia, and refugees from other countries.

[soopaman2]

This reminds me of a childhood thought I had.

Pardon if it rambles off topic.

But I grew up in NYC.

I always found it amazing, even to this day, how if you walk 2 blocks out of little Italy, how the faces would change from white to Chinese (Chinatown is literally blocks away)

I do not mind ethnic enclaves, just watch where you eat. :) I got asked to leave a place in Chinatown because I was disturbing the customers with my whiteness. They implied my food would not be as good, and perhaps I could find another place. Though my soda was free.

That is where I learned what gwailo meant.

I went back to Mulberry street and ate at Umbertos instead.

[Gerald]

I remember what I put down the plate somewhere..:shucks:

[Stealhead]

This reminds me of a childhood thought I had.

Pardon if it rambles off topic.

But I grew up in NYC.

I always found it amazing, even to this day, how if you walk 2 blocks out of little Italy, how the faces would change from white to Chinese (Chinatown is literally blocks away)

I do not mind ethnic enclaves, just watch where you eat. :) I got asked to leave a place in Chinatown because I was disturbing the customers with my whiteness. They implied my food would not be as good, and perhaps I could find another place. Though my soda was free.

That is where I learned what gwailo meant.

I went back to Mulberry street and ate at Umbertos instead.


Maybe you were one of those places if you understand my meaning. A front business I bet they had a mahjong polar and they did not like your presence for that reason.

In the US you do have alot of ethnic neighborhoods some places don't really care if you are one of their kind or not some places do. I recall once in Germany I was going to the Bad Durkheim festival with some friends and we had to wait an hour for the train to sow up that would take us there.Well we decided to have a quick drink while we waited and we went into the first bar that we see.The bar lady was fairly nice and did get us our drinks but all of the other patrons seemed slightly displeased by our presence.That is when I noticed that they all had on blue coveralls this was a Blaumänner bar in other words skilled tradesmen and they have alot more pride than american blue color workers have.We where not one of them so they did not really want us there so we drank our beers and left.

Also some cultures are just not trusting of outsiders very much a good example are polynesians and other non whites from Hawaii they can be very friendly to anyone but they tend to
not trust outsiders.I made some fairly good friends with Hawaiians in the military sometimes they have get togethers and there will be very few non natives there so if you got invited that means the person who asked you to come considers you to be a very good friend and you'll probably be the only white person there and some will consider you a manahonie(crazy person) until they find out why you are there.

[Gerald]

I understand!

[Stealhead]

Maybe they thought he was JC Denton from Deus Ex and that he wanted something from them but when Soopaman made no offer to aid the triad they asked him to leave with a soda of course.

[Bubblehead1980]

Nothing wrong with immigrants but it's always sad and disgusting when so many are allowed in they start becoming the majority in areas.Dearborn, MI is one example. I have some persians in my class, I find them rather annoying because they smell.Not being racist but they walk by and definitely smell it, guess they don't adapt the bathing habits of the west.

[Stealhead]

:har:

You are smelling your upper lip lower one as well.

I bet native Americans feel the way you do only thy have a justified reason to feel that way.

Why do you even bother to attempt to not sound racist and then you are being racist.

Give me your address I'll have all my 100% Iranian Persian and Lur relatives visit you they will bring all of their non white friends with them and plenty of good food.Maybe some Arabs from Dearborn as well.Maybe have my grandmothers(the white one as well) give you a hug you sound as if you are in dire need of one.

[Bubblehead1980]

:har:

You are smelling your upper lip.

I bet native Americans feel the way you do only thy have a justified reason to feel that way.

lol no they do not....

They fought back and were conquered.Sucks but when you lose a war and are conquered, you just have to suck it up.Ask Germany, Japan etc.Same thing, they didnt.

Sad part is the "smelly" ones I talk about probably do not deserve to be in my school, most likely affirmative action got them in bc they just don't come across as very bright, often seem confused in class etc.They obviously had to meet a certain GPA LSAT etc but would bet some non ethnic students were denied entry even though they had higher scores etc They stick together, always wonder what they are planning.

[Stealhead]

lol no they do not....

They fought back and were conquered.Sucks but when you lose a war and are conquered, you just have to suck it up.Ask Germany, Japan etc.Same thing, they didnt.

Sad part is the "smelly" ones I talk about probably do not deserve to be in my school, most likely affirmative action got them in bc they just don't come across as very bright, often seem confused in class etc.They obviously had to meet a certain GPA LSAT etc but would bet some non ethnic students were denied entry even though they had higher scores etc They stick together, always wonder what they are planning.


You are by far the most entertaining person on subsim because you think that people take you seriously yet no one does people respond to you just to see you go and to have a laugh.It is really pathetic that you fail to realize this.



I know what they are planning...the best way to avoid your presence actually they likely do not even notice you or ignore you but I am betting that you rarely say what you feel in public call it a hunch.

What do you think when you see two white men sitting together talking they are not suspect but how do you know that they are not members of some extremist group planning
something? Might be like McVeigh or they could even be Islamic militants them selves for all you know.

[Tribesman]

Sad part is the "smelly" ones I talk about probably do not deserve to be in my school, most likely affirmative action got them in bc they just don't come across as very bright, often seem confused in class etc.They obviously had to meet a certain GPA LSAT etc but would bet some non ethnic students were denied entry even though they had higher scores etc They stick together, always wonder what they are planning.
:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:

Poor bubbles, the more he writes the more you see of him and it is certainly an ugly portrait.

[Sailor Steve]

Nothing wrong with immigrants but it's always sad and disgusting when so many are allowed in they start becoming the majority in areas.
They said that more than one hundred years ago, about the Irish and the Italians. You've now fallen to repeating long-standing racist comments and sentiments.

...they just don't come across as very bright...
Nor do you, with your abominable writing and communication skills. You still haven't learned to discuss things with reason.

[Takeda Shingen]

A couple of months ago, I was thinking about how calm everyone had been this cycle. I'm glad I didn't say anything, as since then we've had daily conspiracy rants from yubba, 1480's call for a military coup to oust the President and presumably run the nation, and now young Bubblehead's blatent racism. If I were to make a compilation of this stuff we could call it Republicans Gone Wild.

Is it November yet?

[Hottentot]

Is it November yet?

Does it make a huge difference?

[Takeda Shingen]

Does it make a huge difference?

I think it does. While we always have politically-based argument on the boards, and some of it quite heated, it doesn't normally come with a side dish of crazy outside of election time.

[Hottentot]

I think it does. While we always have politically-based argument on the boards, and some of it quite heated, it doesn't normally come with a side dish of crazy outside of election time.

Hmm, a fair point. The latter seems to have increased lately. I was more thinking along the lines that certain individuals have already for a long time made it clear that Subsim is their personal agitprop channel (and horribly ineffective one at that, I might add), and it's not like the date, the position of Venus or the pineapple harvest of Nowherestan is going to change that.

[Bubblehead1980]

They said that more than one hundred years ago, about the Irish and the Italians. You've now fallen to repeating long-standing racist comments and sentiments.


Nor do you, with your abominable writing and communication skills. You still haven't learned to discuss things with reason.

Steve, it is an internet discussion forum, not a term paper, don't be a nazi.

I did not make racist statements, I pointed out the persians in one of my classes smell, did not say all do but it is kind of a running joke how so many do.While not "pc", one can not deny the sad ramifications of immigrants overflowing an area.This occurred in my hometown after Hurricane Ivan in 2004, a lot of hispanics moved in(mostly illegals) for the work, they all seemed to stay in one area near the interstate.Before long a burger king had turned into a taco place, 3 or 4 other mexican restaurants popped up and a vacant chinese place turned into a latino nightclub.Guess what? crime went way up over there.I went on ride alongs with a friend who is a Deputy there and saw it first hand and heard all about it.Luckily, since we areeight years out, most of them have moved on.The only good thing they left behind is the one mexican restaurant, it's delicious.

People get blinded by their need to be "tolerant" and "pc", they fail to see the dangerous ramifications of demographic shifts long term and the peril they can mean for the country.I am for legal immigration but it needs to be tightly controlled, especially to prevent long term problems.The US is far too welcoming.

Nothing I said is racist, I do not dislike someone based on their origins or skin color but on what their presence en masse does to my country.The only people who have a RIGHT to be here are CITIZENS, no one else in the world is entitled to come here, no matter how desperate their situation is.

[Bubblehead1980]

A couple of months ago, I was thinking about how calm everyone had been this cycle. I'm glad I didn't say anything, as since then we've had daily conspiracy rants from yubba, 1480's call for a military coup to oust the President and presumably run the nation, and now young Bubblehead's blatent racism. If I were to make a compilation of this stuff we could call it Republicans Gone Wild.

Is it November yet?


I was not being racist as I pointed out to Steve.I pointed out the persians in my class smell, falling in line with the often repeated stereotype.I dislike them not because they are persian but because they fail to adopt basic hygiene.I also have concerns more deserving students may have not been admitted because of affirmative action.I could have been one of the unlucky ones who despite having better credentials, could have been passed over.There in is the problem with affirmative action(expressed by many minorities) that no matter what they achieve, people always think they did not earn it.I have formed this opinion as none of them ever seem to really be in tune with whats going on in class and when they do try to answer a question aloud or form an opinion well it's amusing.Obviously they are not stupid but cann't help but think others more deserving were passed over to fill a quota.:/\\!!

Worrying about demographic shifts that could alter this country is not racist, its a legitimate concern.

[Tribesman]

I did not make racist statements
Nothing I said is racist
I was not being racist
:har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
well done bubbles, keep it up

[Stealhead]

Nothing I said is racist, I do not dislike someone based on their origins or skin color but on what their presence en masse does to my country.The only people who have a RIGHT to be here are CITIZENS, no one else in the world is entitled to come here, no matter how desperate their situation is.

Not like you care about others opinions but..


By what you say almost everyone in the US has no right to be here because very few persons living in the US can prove that their lineage comes purely from someone say from the time when the US declared itself a nation.Perhaps 1% of Americans can say that.

Now of course we will see your Joseph Goebbels style spin in reaction.You are just laden with self loathing seeing as how you feel that everyone is against you and is a "smelly" immigrant or a pinko commie or some other thing that you have in your head that is against you and what you claim to be your kind all one of you.

You make blatantly racist remarks yet claim not be to racist.You sit and talk about people being politically correct well then stop doing it yourself and say what you really think in stead of thinly and poorly veiling it just say that your racist and that you hate people that are different from you in any way you clearly feel this way as your posts here display even though try to claim other wise.

[Takeda Shingen]

Worrying about demographic shifts that could alter this country is not racist, its a legitimate concern.

Legitimate if you are a racist yes. Demographic shift over time has been distinctly American.

http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/nina.jpg

Unfortunately, so have been attitudes like your's.

[Stealhead]

Legitimate if you are a racist yes. Demographic shift over time has been distinctly American.

http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/nina.jpg

Unfortunately, so have been attitudes like your's.


He wont even read it 10 bucks says that he scans it and assumes that it is related to slavery and starts on some rant about white mans burden.
seeing as he thinks he is going to be a big WASP some day.

Bet he wont even read my post and get the heads up and still does not see what you want him see.

$20 says that he does read and still posts some utter nonsense.

$50 says that he does not respond at all but that is not likely.If no response here he starts another rant thread.

That is what the worlds smallest violinist says and he plays for Bubblehead very often.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q527/datsun260zyojimbo/WorldsSmallestViolin_zpsb3e07d34.jpg

[Takeda Shingen]

He wont even read it 10 bucks says that he scans it and assumes that it is related to slavery and starts on some rant about white mans burden.
seeing as he thinks he is going to be a big WASP some day.

Bet he wont even read my post and get the heads up and still does not see what you want him see.

$20 says that he does read and still posts some utter nonsense.

$50 says that he does not respond at all but that is not likely.If no response here he starts another rant thread.

That is what the worlds smallest violinist says and he plays for Bubblehead very often.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q527/datsun260zyojimbo/WorldsSmallestViolin_zpsb3e07d34.jpg

I was very much amused by his reply to you in which he labeled the Native Americans a conquered people and then likened them to Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. He should run for office.

[Stealhead]

Savages get what they deserve right? The Nazi genocide was much less successful than the one against the native Americans.


I went to a good friends grandfathers funeral last year in South Dakota.He was a Corneal in the USAF and fought in WWII with the AAF in stead of
Arlington he wanted to buried near his old home in SD.The honor guard where Lakota Sioux veterans not only did they show up but about 50 other
Lakota vets also where there they gave him the full military honors and then a traditional Lakota warrior honoring.It was the most emotional and inspiring
funeral I have ever witnessed.These Lakota did not even know personally who they where burying and honoring yet they showed up.

They must not have been the Laktoa Yubba mentioned.For many Native Americans at least ones that serve in the military the reasoning is that their nation
is inside the US and is allowed to exist by the goverment so if the US falls so does their nation a mutual respect.

[Sailor Steve]

Steve, it is an internet discussion forum, not a term paper, don't be a nazi.
You said certain people don't come across as very bright. You need to do so yourself if you want to say that about others. Pot, kettle.

I did not make racist statements, I pointed out the persians in one of my classes smell
And I didn't address that. I quoted the specific comments I was answering, and you avoided them.

Nothing I said is racist
You don't even see it, do you? As I've told you a dozen times before, it's not what you say, it's how you say it.

And you still don't get it.

[Agiel7]

Angeleno here. There are indeed quite a lot of Persians here in LA and two of my closest friends are Iranian. No need to panic; while many are proud of their heritage, they have little to no love for Ahmedinejad or the Ayatollahs (in fact, by and large they think they're crooks) and think that the Embassy crisis hostage-takers are a disgrace to Iranians everywhere.

[Bubblehead1980]

Angeleno here. There are indeed quite a lot of Persians here in LA and two of my closest friends are Iranian. No need to panic; while many are proud of their heritage, they have little to no love for Ahmedinejad or the Ayatollahs (in fact, by and large they think they're crooks) and think that the Embassy crisis hostage-takers are a disgrace to Iranians everywhere.


I am sure, I was not saying they are terrorists etc I was expressing a larger concern of the dangerous demographic shifts we ALLOW as it is a real threat to our country from the inside out.Sure, I did not use pc language or whatever, but that was my point.I know Steve, it's how I said it.

[Tribesman]

I am sure, I was not saying they are terrorists etc
More bullexcrement from the racist plonker:yawn:

[Hottentot]

Reminds me of a paper I wrote on discussion regarding degeneration in 1900 to 1929. It was four years ago and I still remember vividly the article which "proved" that in 30 years all people will be alcoholics, thieves, drooling morons and physically incapable of doing almost anything. This was supposed to be a huge threat to the society and the scientific truth, because the numbers supported it all.

Guess which numbers they were referring to?

[Tribesman]

Is that the one on the working class who live in towns?

[Hottentot]

Is that the one on the working class who live in towns?

Precisely. "The industrial work requires so little wits and physical condition that these days anyone can feed a family" was an often repeated line. Along with how towns are the source of all evil anyway, with workers gambling and drinking all their money away.

And since both people living in towns as well as people working in factories were a growing part of the society, degeneration was bound to happen.

Demographic shifts and all that.