Leaked Israeli Report Urges New Sanctions on Iran

[Gerald]

JERUSALEM — An internal report prepared by Israel’s Foreign Ministry calls for an additional round of international sanctions against Iran, an Israeli official confirmed on Thursday, in what appeared to be a rare Israeli acknowledgment that there might still be time to try to stop the Iranian nuclear program by means other than military action. Details of the report were leaked to Haaretz and were published on Thursday morning as the prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, was on his way to New York to address the United Nations General Assembly. An Israeli official who is familiar with the report, but was not authorized to speak about it to it publicly, confirmed the points that appeared in Haaretz. The Foreign Ministry report states that the international sanctions already imposed on Iran are having a deep effect on the country’s economy, according to the official, and may, according to some assessments, also be affecting the stability of the Iranian government. But the sanctions have not yet persuaded the government in Tehran to suspend its nuclear drive. Therefore, the report concludes that “another round of sanctions is needed,” the official said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/world/middleeast/israeli-foreign-ministry-calls-for-more-sanctions-on-iran.html?hp

Note: September 27, 2012

[soopaman2]

Sanctions work, unless you are Swiss!

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/142687/swiss-oil-trader-buys-iranian-fuel-sells-to-china-bypassing-sanctions-.html

Swiss-based Vitol is not obliged to comply with a ban imposed in July by the European Union on trading oil with Iran because Switzerland decided not to match EU and U.S. sanctions against Tehran.

Same country that hid and stole Nazi loot.

Oh the company is ran by a Brit!

Iran is the enemy?

[Gerald]

Iran is one of our enemies!

[Jimbuna]

Sanctions work, unless you are Swiss!

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/142687/swiss-oil-trader-buys-iranian-fuel-sells-to-china-bypassing-sanctions-.html



Same country that hid and stole Nazi loot.

Oh the company is ran by a Brit!

Iran is the enemy?

I see Mr Taylor has dined at Downing Street with our Prime Minister...most interesting :hmm2:

[soopaman2]

I see Mr Taylor has dined at Downing Street with our Prime Minister...most interesting :hmm2:


I was more poking at the Swiss than the Brits. They play neutral while making money off both sides, they are even bigger cowards than Iran. Who at least has the balls to tell America where to stick it. My pointing out Mr. Taylor was not an attack on the Brits, though it certainly read like one. :(

I bet there is an American mixed in there somewhere. After all, money has no nationality in this modern world.

Sorry I chose a Turkish paper (nonpartisan), but it seemed more objective than anything our media could accomplish.

What is the harm in trading with them, besides pissing Israel off? Think about it, all this mess is about Israel. A fake country based on a holy book, with an unknown author.

Just saying.

God said pork and shellfish is bad too, he also said not to trim our beards.

[mapuc]

I'm a ordinary person that can't figure out wich one of these two article that is correct

The one that Vendor posted in this thread or this one below

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/160353

Markus

[Jimbuna]

I was more poking at the Swiss than the Brits. They play neutral while making money off both sides, they are even bigger cowards than Iran. Who at least has the balls to tell America where to stick it. My pointing out Mr. Taylor was not an attack on the Brits, though it certainly read like one. :(

I bet there is an American mixed in there somewhere. After all, money has no nationality in this modern world.

Sorry I chose a Turkish paper (nonpartisan), but it seemed more objective than anything our media could accomplish.

What is the harm in trading with them, besides pissing Israel off? Think about it, all this mess is about Israel. A fake country based on a holy book, with an unknown author.

Just saying.

God said pork and shellfish is bad too, he also said not to trim our beards.

Certainly wasn't offended by the inclusion of a Brit, it was a true fact after all and as you so rightly say "money has no nationality in this modern world".

[Gerald]

@mapuc Based on different perspectives.

[soopaman2]

I'm a ordinary person that can't figure out wich one of these two article that is correct

The one that Vendor posted in this thread or this one below

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/160353

Markus

Lets suppose this was true.

Why would they want nukes, to protect them from a neighbor who has them too?

Lets say Iran launched, it would in my opinion lead to a global thermonuclear war. As allies retaliate against each other, and China and Russia jump in simply for the excuse to nuke America. It would result in the same Mutually Assured Destruction (mad) that kept the Soviets and Americans from ripping each others heads off from the 1950s to the early 90s.

Iran is more rational than most ME countries. We only "hate" them because they talk bad about the Jews, and question if they belong there, which I do.

Do I need to be nuked or sanctioned?

Monkey man Mahmoud is a cancer, but I fear what would take his place. He at least has restraint.

[MH]

Iran is more rational than most ME countries. We only "hate" them because they talk bad about the Jews, and question if they belong there, which I do.


..that's interesting and original view.
Can you please explain yourself why?

[mapuc]

You are both right

I don't believe Iran would attack some other country with nuclear weapons, they know what would happen if they did.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

I know what it means

The article I posted is the official- the one to the public

The one that Vendor posted is off the record-not for public audience

When thinking on Vendor's article I have difficult to believe that Israel is getting soft towards Iran's nuclear program.

I have for many years now heard the drums of war-that I'm beginning to believe it's drum without any sound.

Markus

Could be right but somehow I doubt it...past history tells us what ends Israel will go to for survival and a nuclear attack could well mean obliteration.

[mapuc]

Could be right but somehow I doubt it...past history tells us what ends Israel will go to for survival and a nuclear attack could well mean obliteration.


Ohh Jim now I know why I couldn't erase my post, 'cause I had missed something in Vendors article.

I was so sure that the news about Israel getting soft had to be a "secret" story. But I saw that some official person from the government had confirmed it.

Markus

[soopaman2]

..that's interesting and original view.
Can you please explain yourself why?


They were given that land based on something written in the bible.

Alot of people cry for Obamas birth certificate, but think Israel is hunky dory?

Obama presented his birth certificate and is still doubted, but the bible is infallible?

Who authored the bible, and what agenda did they have? Or is it infallible?

I sell bridges ya know.

[Jimbuna]

Ohh Jim now I know why I couldn't erase my post, 'cause I had missed something in Vendors article.

I was so sure that the news about Israel getting soft had to be a "secret" story. But I saw that some official person from the government had confirmed it.

Markus

Tis sometimes hard to see the wood for the trees :):03:

[mapuc]

If I had to chose I would say the article Vendor posted is correct-that's because I'm a 110 % non-violent person

I would rather believe that Israel is getting soft and give Iran some time.

Markus

[Gerald]

If I had to chose I would say the article Vendor posted is correct-that's because I'm a 110 % non-violent person

I would rather believe that Israel is getting soft and give Iran some time.

Markus Israel will not act alone in this now, it's what I think, but it is obviously an advantage for them, that there is a strong opinion on what Iran is doing, while going to Iran in a reasonably foreseeable time, to do something with the "heavy weapons" against Israel or other countries.

[MH]

They were given that land based on something written in the bible.

Alot of people cry for Obamas birth certificate, but think Israel is hunky dory?

Obama presented his birth certificate and is still doubted, but the bible is infallible?

Who authored the bible, and what agenda did they have? Or is it infallible?

I sell bridges ya know.

Holly...(whatever suits your mood...)

Who the hell really...asks Obama or anyone else....
Get your head out of your behind...sorry for being rough here...

Opinions like yours are one of excellent reasons for having state of Israel...besides the fact that it is cool place to live.
... well... we have our problems around here lol.

It is funny how Iranian bull works on some people...

[Skybird]

I think this report indicates something different. While Israel wanted to rally support over the past months, it did rally support indeed, but not against Iran, but against Israel. All this while Iran multiplied the number of centrifuges and is digging its program deeper and deeper into the mountains. I tend to think that Israel has no military means to reach them anymore without the US, and I also think that the US probably also cannot reach them anymore without using nukes in the megaton-range - and that is what even I have never suggested, I always talked of bunkerbusting only: softening up the soil over a subterranean installation by repeated hits with conventional bunker busters, hoping that this softening will add another couple of two or three meters for the main weapon to penetrate into the ground before it detonates.

Formally, the US has abandoned the developement of socalled mini-nukes, bombs below the 5 kt-mark and by design intended for bunker busting. However, what thy formally announced, and what they really do, is two things.

The problem is that any free-fall-bomb cannot penetreate any type of soil deeper than let'S say 12-13 meters. That is not enough to prevent a mini-nuke produzcing plenty of fallout, and deflecting the most of its blow not into the gorund to crack open a bunker, but into the empty air. Deeper penetration ranges of up to some 40 meters have been demonstrated - but only by rocket-motored projectiles on rails, travelling at I think 4000 mph or so.

Now consider that already years ago it was reported that Iran had started to move its installations into mountain tunnels and super-hardened bunkers, up to 120 meters deep. 120 meters of granite, rock, and whatever mountains are made of, plus them clever engineers having certainly considered blast escape tunnels and so on. Then the real bunker begins: steel-concrete, build with massive knowledge last but not least from the West.

Command-bunkers for Minuteman-missile silos were designed to withstand close-by detonations in the multi-megaton-range. Anyone here thinking you can impress them, damage, them, destroy them by using a conventional massive ordnance? Or former NORAD command in Cheyenne Mountain - taking it out by a conventional MOAB? Hardly.

I think the West has overplayed his cards, and that now the time has run out. They are out of reach, that simple. If now you want to destroy these installations, one would need to do it from within, and that would meanb what probably is an impossible war: boots on the ground, invasion, spoecial commandos, infiltrating the basis, demolitioning them from within. Chances I give that for sufficient success: 1%. And that is optimistic, I think.

I predict for the coming years that our wonderful leaders now will slowly start to softtalk on the issue, that they will lure us slowly into lending a nuclear Iran a hand as a sign of our good will, we will get familiarized with the prospect of nuclear weapons in Iran, and will be made to slowly accept and tolerate it.

Over this year, there were some reports, that were almost overseen and only were minor in the news papers, but I got one of them confirmed by one former pro for whom I have worked in the early nineties. The one news said that the Turks have seriously started to prepare to implement a nuclear weapon program. The other said that the Mursi government has confirmed a re-u-turn that was made already by Mubarak. Egypt has had a nuclear weapon program in the 60s and until the early 70s, then shut it down, and Mubarak even rejected to get nukes from the falling-apart Soviet Union after the fall. But before the revolution reached Egypt, he has revoked the nuclear weapon program, and the new Mursi government in all secrecy has confirmed that decision. I think the race already has started, and Syria is known to have been trying as well before Israel struck it some years ago.

Hey West, have fun everybody. You messed it up, now deal with the potentially self-destroying consequences. This nuclear arms race is a hundred times more dangerous, unpredictable and irrational, than the cold war ever was with the exception of Cuba at the height of the crisis.

And no, I do not think that we will make it through once again in one piece.

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm just praying that they don't take out the Edgar C. Hoover dam before we get a chance to locate it ourselves.

[soopaman2]

Holly...(whatever suits your mood...)

Who the hell really...asks Obama or anyone else....
Get your head out of your behind...sorry for being rough here...

Opinions like yours are one of excellent reasons for having state of Israel...besides the fact that it is cool place to live.
... well... we have our problems around here lol.

It is funny how Iranian bull works on some people...


So why else did they get that land?

Oh 6 million.

What about the Romanii, a whole ton of them got killed too.

My head is not in my ass.

It sees things through a clear window, not marred by my religious beliefs.
I do not attack the Jewish religion, I simply question the land stealing that we sanctioned post WW2, after fighting against a country for stealing someone elses land.

Love it or hate it, but I got a valid point.

[Skybird]

I'm just praying that they don't take out the Edgar C. Hoover dam before we get a chance to locate it ourselves.

If that dam, or any other, ever gets pulverised by a friendly smiling tourist who left his unsuspicious van behind on the parking lot, we will see if you then still feel tempted to mock a foreigner's not always perfect knowledge about the precise names of your places and locations, with all tens of thousands of your countrymen floating dead in the waters.

But maybe you are lucky, and it is not that dam, but Frankfurt in Germany. At least you then can live on by the illusion that this all does not affect the US.

[Takeda Shingen]

If that dam, or any other, ever gets pulverised by a friendly smiling tourist who left his unsuspicious van behind on the parking lot, we will see if you then still feel tempted to mock a foreigner's not always perfect knowledge about the precise names of your places and locations, with all tens of thousands of your countrymen floating dead in the waters.

But maybe you are lucky, and it is not that dam, but Frankfurt in Germany. At least you then can live on by the illusion that this all does not affect the US.

You have no sense of humor.

[Skybird]

Regarding you: currently not.

[Takeda Shingen]

Regarding you: currently not.

:wah:

[MH]

Love it or hate it, but I got a valid point.

Yeah right...very rational.

With time you all might come to believe that Israel is a threat to world peace because it will be easer than dealing with bunch of crazy Muslims with nukes.
Ahmadinejad...:03:

Anyway have fun...

[Takeda Shingen]

Yeah right...very rational.

With time you all might come to believe that Israel is a threat to world peace because it will be easer than dealing with bunch of crazy Muslims with nukes.
Ahmadinejad...:03:

So criticism of Israel is now equal to holocaust denial. And above, Skybird has given us descriptions of thousand of dead Americans floating in Lake Mead as a warning if we don't use nuclear weapons against Iran.

Great thread you all have going here. :doh:

[MH]

So criticism of Israel is now equal to holocaust denial. And above, Skybird has given us descriptions of thousand of dead Americans floating in Lake Mead.

Great thread you all have going here. :doh:

Did i say that???

[Takeda Shingen]

Did i say that???

With time you all might come to believe that Israel is a threat to world peace because it will be easer than dealing with bunch of crazy Muslims with nukes.
Ahmadinejad...:03:

That's what it looks like.

[MH]

That's what it looks like.

I did not mention holocaust here...just pointed out to some manipulation.

[Takeda Shingen]

I did not mention holocaust here...just pointed out to some manipulation.

And you lumped him in with Ahmadinejad and the Iranian regime because he had the audacity to question US support of Israel.

[MH]

And you lumped him in with Ahmadinejad and the Iranian regime because he had the audacity to question US support of Israel.

I have no problem about him questioning US support for Israel.
The current issue about common US-Israeli interests further supports my point i think...which at the end of the day will be shaped by public opinion...i believe

[Takeda Shingen]

I have no problem about him questioning US support for Israel.
The current issue about common US-Israeli interests further supports my point i think...which at the end of the day will be shaped by public opinion...i believe

I'm not so certain just how 'common' the interests of the US and Israel are at this point anymore, as the relationship has always been one-sided.

[MH]

I'm not so certain just how 'common' the interests of the US and Israel are at this point anymore, as the relationship has always been one-sided.

Depends...it was tricky issue during the cold war.

[Takeda Shingen]

Depends...it was tricky issue during the cold war.

Oh yes. The US aids Israel and in return, Israel is aided by the US. It's a good deal.....if you're Israeli.

[MH]

Oh yes. The US aids Israel and in return, Israel is aided by the US. It's a good deal.....if you're Israeli.

The aid is tricky issue too....
Israel probably could get much more cash from china by sharing the techs...:haha:
And no...not all tech is American ingenuity.

[Takeda Shingen]

The aid is tricky issue too....
Israel probably could get much more cash from china by sharing the techs...:haha:
And no...not all tech is American ingenuity.

I say go for it. It would really improve things around the world for the US if China were to make some enemies in the Middle East.

[soopaman2]

I have a direct way of stating things.

I am not justifying Iran in any ways.

I'm honestly not sure what they did wrong.

Besides tweak Israel nipples.
China does that to us all the time, you don't see us going nuclear, or advocating someone attack them for us.

Thank you Takeda I am glad you understand my point.

I am critisizing US policy, and questioning the motives of Israel in manipulating US policy.

I do not hate jews, I do not deny the holocaust, nor do I think that Monkey man Mahmoud is a nice guy.

I am questioning how we can award someone a country, just because we kicked ass in a war and can dictate terms. No one ever wondered who got kicked out of that land, so they can move there... What about their rights?

No we minimize them people, just filthy muzzies amirite?!!!!one high 5 dude!


It makes us no better than the Germans we fought against.

I bet some of you wonder why the Muzzies hate us.

edit:I have an equally caustic opinion of them (us) splitting Germany too

[MH]

I say go for it. It would really improve things around the world for the US if China were to make some enemies in the Middle East.

LOL you see..more like it....that's how things work..
Now lets go back to who is the good guy rational one and bad guy and the interests of good friends and common values.:haha:

[Gerald]

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu calls for a "clear red line" to be drawn over Iran's nuclear programme, in a speech at the UN General Assembly.

http://imageshack.us/a/img194/634/63163907netanyahureuter.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/63163907netanyahureuter.jpg/)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19746994

Note: Update record, 27 September 2012 Last updated at 20:40 GMT

[Takeda Shingen]

Netanyahu's campy bomb graph really won me over. Open the missile silos!

[Gerald]

Yeah, he wants to make a mark,so no misunderstandings arise, but this is what it is tricky,misunderstandings and conflicts have started a very long time worldwide,because in practical terms "small things".

[Gerald]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19758563

Note: Update record, 28 September 2012 Last updated at 12:18 GMT