So how do your kids school Celebrates the Russian revolution

[yubba]

this is how one school does it http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/high-school-band-celebrates-russian-revolution.html

[Skybird]

I admit this is odd indeed.

[Takeda Shingen]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1939235&postcount=83

[Hottentot]

I admit I cracked up when reading the article quickly and first seeing the parent's quoted question “Who thought this was a good idea?” and right under it seeing an advert starting with: "Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity and Mark Levin..."

[Oberon]

I admit this is odd indeed.

Odd?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/026/Gerard-Butler-This-Is-Sparta.jpg

THIS

IS

YUBBA!!

[Penguin]

While checking out if the HS exists at all - I found alarming stuff.

Do you know how their Football team is named?
The Hornets.
Do you know which lifeform hornets attack?
Bees.
And do you also know which population is on the decline?
Bees again. :huh:

This is much bigger than we thought it is....

[yubba]

Odd?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/026/Gerard-Butler-This-Is-Sparta.jpg

THIS

IS

YUBBA!! Man you guys know what goes on in my threads,,,I guess it's like a car wreck,,, you just have to look..

[nikimcbee]

We can all watch Dr. Zhivago to celebrate.

[Tribesman]

so this is the revolution where a monarchy and tyrannical regime got overthrown by the population or was that the american one?
Maybe its the one where the regime sent in the army to shut people up over prices and taxes and the army joined the protest instead.
But I think it may be the one where Lenin took the local tea party express and had his extremists hijack the anti government movement.
Whichever way you look at it these are the type of events yubba always seems to be cheerleading for, the wonderful world of yubbaish where he tries to complain about the things he supports:rotfl2:

[Cybermat47]

What next?
Celebrating Kristalnacht in Israel?!

Celebrating the Treaty of Versailles in Germany?!

[Bubblehead1980]

so this is the revolution where a monarchy and tyrannical regime got overthrown by the population or was that the american one?
Maybe its the one where the regime sent in the army to shut people up over prices and taxes and the army joined the protest instead.
But I think it may be the one where Lenin took the local tea party express and had his extremists hijack the anti government movement.
Whichever way you look at it these are the type of events yubba always seems to be cheerleading for, the wonderful world of yubbaish where he tries to complain about the things he supports:rotfl2:


Are you trying to equate the russian revolution with the american one? really?

[TLAM Strike]

Ah the Russian Revolution, a time when the people rose up and stormed their leader's palace... to raid his wine cellar.

If a time when a bunch of drunk, angry and armed Russians formed a government isn't worth celebrating then I don't know what is...

http://imageshack.us/a/img716/9180/u27pbp5nv0vkfcxf15oa2.jpg

:D

[Takeda Shingen]

Are you trying to equate the russian revolution with the american one? really?

If I were to equate the Bolshevik Revolution to any other, it would be the French Revolution in terms of the level of violence against civilians.

[Oberon]

Ah the Russian Revolution, a time when the people rose up and stormed their leader's palace... to raid his wine cellar.

If a time when a bunch of drunk, angry and armed Russians formed a government isn't worth celebrating then I don't know what is...
:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJVJj5mNOSY

[TLAM Strike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJVJj5mNOSY

Most historically accurate commercial I've ever seen...

:03:

[Stealhead]

We can all watch Dr. Zhivago to celebrate.



:har:

[August]

If I were to equate the Bolshevik Revolution to any other, it would be the French Revolution in terms of the level of violence against civilians.

Agree but even then it pales by comparison.

[Oberon]

Nearly all revolutions are born of blood. Although the actual storming of the Winter Palace, and the events on October 17th were relatively bloodless. It was the events after the revolution as the new communist leadership settled into power that were the bloodiest, and then you have the Russian civil war.

Comparing it to the American revolution in terms of bloodshed, well, there is no comparison. Although the American civil war was bloody, it was not on the level of the Russian one, not at all, both sides lost more men in the Russian civil war than the entire strength of both sides in the American.

The causes behind it though, well...aren't all revolutions born of a desire for freedom? For the Russians it was freedom from the 'tyrrany' of the Tsar, for the Americans it was freedom to rule from the 'tyrrany' of the United Kingdom.
If you tote up the casualties of both nations post revolution, through the American territorial expansion, war of 1812, Mexican wars, Spanish wars, Indian wars, Civil war. Then I'd wager that it would be bloodier than the French, but still not quite as bloody as the Russian revolutions.
Certainly, if you want a bloody revolution, Tribesman knows what he's talking about...during the English Civil War, Ireland lost nearly half its entire population.

[yubba]

I thought Dr Strangelove would be in order.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLPnnPHkIuc&feature=related

[soopaman2]

I think the Winter Revolution is depicted the way it is amongst some folks, because of what ended up replacing it, was vastly worse over the next 50 years.

At the time it was a noble movement, the leaders most likely good intentioned.

But look at the Arab Spring, they overthrow one government for another that will tighten the yoke even further. Sorta a modern reference. :)

Our kids celebrating this?

What was the lesson plan leading to this, where they learning about the Tsar? Or social strife caused by government apathy?

Oh I know!

They were indoctrinating them into good socialist democratic voters!


BINGO!

O'doyle rules!

[mookiemookie]

If I were to equate the Bolshevik Revolution to any other, it would be the French Revolution in terms of the level of violence against civilians.

One could say that the colonization of America was even worse than those actions in terms of civilian lives lost due to political reasons.

[August]

One could say that the colonization of America was even worse than those actions in terms of civilian lives lost due to political reasons.

Anything can be worse if you stretch the timeline out long enough. After all the undisputed King in terms of civilian lives lost due to political reasons is our species colonization of Earth no?

[August]

But look at the Arab Spring, they overthrow one government for another that will tighten the yoke even further.

That remains to be seen. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. The new government doesn't have nearly the authority and entrenchment of it's predecessor for one thing and significant opposition remains as that counter demonstration in Libya last week shows.

[soopaman2]

That remains to be seen. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. The new government doesn't have nearly the authority and entrenchment of it's predecessor for one thing and significant opposition remains as that counter demonstration in Libya last week shows.


Very good point, that counter demonstration shocked me.

I think I have a natural sense of "be careful what you wish for..." which stems from my innate cynicism.

[TLAM Strike]

One could say that the colonization of America was even worse than those actions in terms of civilian lives lost due to political reasons.

In fairness most of those were killed by disease, the white folk didn't exactly do much besides cough. If we are to start comparing bloodshed good old Tamerlane one day decided built some minarets out of skulls so he slaughtered 70,000 Persians to get them (you didn't want to be one of Tamerlane's troops and not comeback with a severed head that day!)

That's the kind of bloodshed that even the staunchest Nazi, Communist or Dark Lord of the Sith would consider excessive.

[Catfish]

It is strange to see this, in patriotic America. But it really should not be celebrated ..

However i have seen no link in months that would not go to Fox news or CNN, directly or indirectly. Is there really no other media left ? Are they all in the hands of this retarded dumb media empire, where every journalist is happy to be "embedded" as a "patriot", and gets direct advice on what and how to publish ? :88)
The press was never free, but that ???
I must say i doubt every 'news' Fox or CNN publishes, and if it is about a dead sparrow.

[yubba]

It is strange to see this, in patriotic America. But it really should not be celebrated ..

However i have seen no link in months that would not go to Fox news or CNN, directly or indirectly. Is there really no other media left ? Are they all in the hands of this retarded dumb media empire, where every journalist is happy to be "embedded" as a "patriot", and gets direct advice on what and how to publish ? :88)
The press was never free, but that ???
I must say i doubt every 'news' Fox or CNN publishes, and if it is about a dead sparrow. try Drudge report, or report it yourself, you must have a phone with a camera, you see some thing you post it, that's how they saved that marine that was scooped up by the FBI, for posts on facebook his mother video-ed it and posted it on youtube,, if the media doesn't want report what's going on then it's up to us to get the word out,, Between Vendor and myself you have gotten more news and entertainment, here than you can get anywhere else, well that's my opinion.

But in defense of the educrats, superintendent for the Conewago Valley School District Rebecca Harbaugh says they once put on a show celebrating freedom.
http://moonbattery.com/New-Oxford-High-School-Marching-Band.jpg

[mookiemookie]

if the media doesn't want report what's going on then it's up to us to get the word out

These are the kinds of statements that are just dumb attempts to perpetuate the victim complex. The media isn't reporting it? What do you call Drudge, Fox News, Glenn Beck's website, et al.? That's not the media? Fox fans love to bash the "lamestream media" and then turn around and crow about how Fox is the most watched news channel. You can't have it both ways.

[yubba]

Auschwitz the musical, I can see it now the dancers on the field go into this prop that looks like a factory and come out the other side in black pjs with a skelton painted on them,, and they dance for joy that have been liberated from this life,,and the music could be Micheal Jacksons thriller to spice it up,, it would be just great, oh my where's my agent..

[AVGWarhawk]

Auschwitz the musical, I can see it now the dancers on the field go into this prop that looks like a factory and come out the other side in black pjs with a skelton painted on them,, and they dance for joy that have been liberated from this life,,and the music could be Micheal Jacksons thriller to spice it up,, it would be just great, oh my where's my agent..


This might be entertaining but I think this would go over like a fart in a space suit.

The incident was found to be inappropriate. The marching band should stick to music and the usual band uniform. The theatrics is best left to the theater department.

We carry on...

[yubba]

These are the kinds of statements that are just dumb attempts to perpetuate the victim complex. The media isn't reporting it? What do you call Drudge, Fox News, Glenn Beck's website, et al.? That's not the media? Fox fans love to bash the "lamestream media" and then turn around and crow about how Fox is the most watched news channel. You can't have it both ways.
I did't say fox and freinds weren't reporting this,,, where do you think I get this stuff to share with you from a crystal ball, by the way mines broke. I meant the mainstream wasn't reporting except fox excuse me I'll try to be more clear..

[Penguin]

America 2012:

The US has a gigantic trade deficit with the biggest dictatorship in the world, their "marts" are full with stuff made there.
People who think they are patriots by putting up a China-made flag sticker on their car, twitter the news on their icrap device - made in factories with work conditions so bad that the workers there start a riot:

Freedom is at stake because a school band in onehorsetown, US performs a little play.

I could only laugh at the irony dripping from it, if it wasn't so damned sad.


Hey Yubba: you want to stand up for freedom? Stop supporting a country where re-education camps exist, look where you buy your stuff. That's a little baby step which requires as few effort as posting on a board in the web. And stand up for the freedom of others - be happy to live in a country where freedom of academia and freedom of art exist. The last time I checked, they were still there. You also have the right to report the school to the police, if they did something illegal. Defend all these rights, as well as the right to have a different opinion.

I'll close my rant with a little quote:

"Freedom only for government supporters, only for the members of a party – however numerous they may be – is no freedom. Freedom is always the freedom of those who think differently, to voice their opinion. Not because of the fanaticism of justice, but because all the vitalizing, wholesome, and purifying in political freedom depends on this characteristic, and its effects cease to work when freedom becomes a privilege."

Rosa Luxemburg - evil Commie bitch, murdered by people who didn't like her opinion

[yubba]

America 2012:

The US has a gigantic trade deficit with the biggest dictatorship in the world, their "marts" are full with stuff made there.
People who think they are patriots by putting up a China-made flag sticker on their car, twitter the news on their icrap device - made in factories with work conditions so bad that the workers there start a riot:

Freedom is at stake because a school band in onehorsetown, US performs a little play.

I could only laugh at the irony dripping from it, if it wasn't so damned sad.


Hey Yubba: you want to stand up for freedom? Stop supporting a country where re-education camps exist, look where you buy your stuff. That's a little baby step which requires as few effort as posting on a board in the web. And stand up for the freedom of others - be happy to live in a country where freedom of academia and freedom of art exist. The last time I checked, they were still there. You also have the right to report the school to the police, if they did something illegal. Defend all these rights, as well as the right to have a different opinion.

I'll close my rant with a little quote:

Rosa Luxemburg - evil Commie bitch, murdered by people who didn't like her opinion
Well I can't be to picky when I'm digging through a dumpster,, Have you looked on the back of your computer and that big screen monitior and see where it was made, or that i phone you are use-ing.
I guess you don't have a problem with that idea of makeing Auchwitz the musical. I had this arguement with neon samaiari ,, they shouldn't have used kids, that didn't know the history of the event,, I can't say for a fact the kids didn't know the history,, that will come out when this story unfolds. But this lays the question what are they teaching our kids,,if they are not teaching our kids how to be citizens of this great nation and how to function in it,, then what are we paying all this money out to education for,, to teach our kids that communism is a nice warm and fuzzy little bunny..

[Tribesman]

I guess you don't have a problem with that idea of makeing Auchwitz the musical
Is that a follow on to Springtime for Hitler or is it the penultimate song in Hitler the musical?
Though personally I do prefer the plain comedy films when it comes to the holocaust.

what are we paying all this money out to education for,, to teach our kids that communism is a nice warm and fuzzy little bunny.. to teach our kids that communism is a nice warm and fuzzy little bunny.. 09-26-2012 07:59 PMto teach our kids that communism is a nice warm and fuzzy little bunny.. 09-26-2012 07:59 PM
No silly that isn't in the politics or history lesson where the kids are indoctrinated by the evil communist capitalist new world order secret global media and banking conspiracy, the little bunny is in the religion lesson as its all about easter.:know:

[Penguin]

Well I can't be to picky when I'm digging through a dumpster,, Have you looked on the back of your computer and that big screen monitior and see where it was made, or that i phone you are use-ing.
I guess you don't have a problem with that idea of makeing Auchwitz the musical. I had this arguement with neon samaiari ,, they shouldn't have used kids, that didn't know the history of the event,, I can't say for a fact the kids didn't know the history,, that will come out when this story unfolds. But this lays the question what are they teaching our kids,,if they are not teaching our kids how to be citizens of this great nation and how to function in it,, then what are we paying all this money out to education for,, to teach our kids that communism is a nice warm and fuzzy little bunny..

I'm sorry you belong to the 47% about whom Romney gives a damn about, this way I can even less understand you supporting him.
Since you asked: monitor: Slovakia, smartphone (non i): Korea, computer: different components: mostly Taiwan, but also Germany - though my mouse is from China :oops:
I am not claiming to be hollier than though, I am talking about how not to support a dictatorship with only little effort - just keep you eyes open what and where you buy. Even if you have little money, I am sure you sometimes buy stuff. For example you can support your local community when you buy groceries from the farmers market and not from the big food monopolists. This leaves the money in the pockets of the people you care for.

Auschwitz the musical? Why not, if it's good. We already have Springtime For Hitler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo) or people or dancing Auschwitz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUjueE57WSY). The comparision is there, as all those - just like the little HS play - did not glorify the things that happened back then. Hell, in Germany there are people who do plays dressed up as Romans, a bloody occupation force back then.

The kids you are talking about attend a senior HS. I am sure it is still the same as during our school times: they learn about the Russian Revolution in grade 11 or 12. We didn't learn about Communism as fuzzy bunnies back then, but how it was according to scientific research (=history). You can certainly obtain the curriculum of the school district in charge of the HS and the titles of the books they use to learn history if you are concerned the students get indoctrinated.

[Penguin]

Is that a follow on to Springtime for Hitler or is it the penultimate song in Hitler the musical?
Though personally I do prefer the plain comedy films when it comes to the holocaust.


Damn you, Tribesman, for answering faster than I did and mentioning Springtime for Hitler! :know:
Speaking of comedies: "Train Of Life" and "Life Is Beautiful" come to my mind, both more tragiccomedies though. Can you recommend other good ones?

[August]

Damn you, Tribesman, for answering faster than I did and mentioning Springtime for Hitler! :know:
Speaking of comedies: "Train Of Life" and "Life Is Beautiful" come to my mind, both more tragiccomedies though. Can you recommend other good ones?

Comedies and Commemorations are two very different things. Would you feel as dismissive about this if they had commemorated hitler and the nazis?

[mookiemookie]

Damn you, Tribesman, for answering faster than I did and mentioning Springtime for Hitler! :know:
Speaking of comedies: "Train Of Life" and "Life Is Beautiful" come to my mind, both more tragiccomedies though. Can you recommend other good ones?

About Schmidt. But I may be biased because I'm a Jack Nicholson fan.

[Tribesman]

Comedies and Commemorations are two very different things. Would you feel as dismissive about this if they had commemorated hitler and the nazis?
Would you be so terribly upset if they made a musical about slavery or a comedy on the inquisition or had a commemeration for the confederacy?
Or you could interchange any of those.
I do like the objections to a band doing some songs though, it must mean that those people are strongly in favour of the Tsarist system of rule if they so strong in their objections of its overthrow.

@Penguin. Life is beautiful of course, though jakob the liar also delivers.#
I havn't seen Hitler the musical yet though

[Penguin]

Comedies and Commemorations are two very different things. Would you feel as dismissive about this if they had commemorated hitler and the nazis?

A commemoration and the half-time show we are talking about, are also two different things, as the latter contained no element of endorsement.

Let's play a scenario:

Say the US would not have stepped in the war in Europe in the 1940s. Say also, Germany would somehow made it through the war and would still be a fascist dictatorship today. Many US companies moved their production to Germany. A major part of the items available in your shops are made in Nazi Germany, with semi-slave labor. The official US policy is that bringing capitalism into Germany would somehow magically also bring more democracy.

A HS band does a show, called Berlin 1933, where they sport the swastika in a historic connotation.

What would be the bigger problem to you, given that you are not too fond of nazism, and what would be a storm in a waterglass?

[August]

A commemoration and the half-time show we are talking about, are also two different things, as the latter contained no element of endorsement.

I completely disagree. Singing the songs wearing the costumes and flying the flags and symbols is a significant endorsement. You think those kids will think of the millions of murdered innocents when they see the hammer and sickle or will they think of the Soviet regime as something to be celebrated in song and dance?

Let's play a scenario:

Say the US would not have stepped in the war in Europe in the 1940s. Say also, Germany would somehow made it through the war and would still be a fascist dictatorship today. Many US companies moved their production to Germany. A major part of the items available in your shops are made in Nazi Germany, with semi-slave labor. The official US policy is that bringing capitalism into Germany would somehow magically also bring more democracy.

A HS band does a show, called Berlin 1933, where they sport the swastika in a historic connotation.

What would be the bigger problem to you, given that you are not too fond of nazism, and what would be a storm in a waterglass?

I don't buy that theory. We don't necessarily have to have fought someone to be wrong in promoting them (although it helps). How about a half time commemoration of the Khmer Rouge / Pol Pot years in Cambodia? Would that also be just a storm in a water glass to you as well?

[Hottentot]

You think those kids will think of the millions of murdered innocents when they see the hammer and sickle or will they think of the Soviet regime as something to be celebrated in song and dance?

If those are the only alternatives, then there are far sadder things than this episode to be worried about.

[AVGWarhawk]

The basic premise, there is a time and place to address the Russian revolution in music and theatrics. It certainly is not at a halftime show at a football game hosted by the HS band. Play the school song, wear the assigned uniform and march as choreographed.

[Takeda Shingen]

http://moonbattery.com/New-Oxford-High-School-Marching-Band.jpg

They are wearing their marching band uniforms. The two in the center are likely the drum majors in the dark blue uniforms. They are surrounded by the color guard, who have uniforms that change every year depending on theme. If you look on the far left, you see a member in a red uniform of similar design to the majors' uniforms. That is one of the regular band members. Band uniforms themselves do not change from year to year based on the fact that they are very expensive and are purchased as part of a school budget. High school marching bands usually wear the same uniforms for a decade or more.

Marching band shows are also more drum and bugle corp-style shows now. I don't think that my band ever played the schools song. In fact, I don't think we had a school song. Hasn't really been like that since the 70's.

[CCIP]

Geez guys, as someone who was born in the USSR and whose family had to put up with a lot in the Soviet era...

...I seriously don't even understand what you're even on about! :dead:

Russian history and a particular Soviet aesthetic exist. Big deal.

[Hottentot]

...I seriously don't even understand what you're even on about! :dead:

The Righteous Rage (tm) just took this form this time.

[AVGWarhawk]

Whether these kids were wearing something that would been seen in Russia or not is immaterial to my comment. Band uniforms are band uniforms and should be worn. As far as school songs, my HS(Dulaney) performed "My Maryland" at every game. I attended the University of MD College Park. This school also played "My Maryland" at every sporting event. Performed in the band uniforms. I graduated HS 1984. U. of MD. 1988. U of MD still plays "My Maryland" to this day.

[Tribesman]

If the band played the Imperial March does that mean the evil conspiracy is indoctrinating them to the way of the Sith?

The Righteous Rage (tm) just took this form this time.
Is that the new version of the cwazy conpiwacy?

[soopaman2]

On my 8th grade graduation we marched out to the Tannhauser March by Wagner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrB-ZJU61SU
Catchy tune!

I found out later it was one of Hitlers favorites.

Does that make me a nazi?

My extremism is from eating crap all my life, not from my schooling.

[AVGWarhawk]

If the band played the Imperial March does that mean the evil conspiracy is indoctrinating them to the way of the Sith?





I do not see this incident as some sort of indoctrination. What I see is something best left to the theater depart at the HS. This performance is not relative to a football game.

[AVGWarhawk]

On my 8th grade graduation we marched out to the Tannhauser March by Wagner.

I found out later it was one of Hitlers favorites.

Does that make me a nazi?

My extremism is from eating crap all my life, not from my schooling.

Yes. :shifty:

[Takeda Shingen]

Whether these kids were wearing something that would been seen in Russia or not is immaterial to my comment. Band uniforms are band uniforms and should be worn.

Then I don't understand your complaint about those uniforms. They are wearing what are very typical marching band uniforms. They are likely the same ones that they have been wearing for years. The style is what they call 'futuristic military', which is very popular among bands today.

As far as school songs, my HS(Dulaney) performed "My Maryland" at every game. I attended the University of MD College Park. This school also played "My Maryland" at every sporting event. Performed in the band uniforms. I graduated HS 1984. U. of MD. 1988. U of MD still plays "My Maryland" to this day.

That depends on the type of program. It sounds like your high school band was a 'football band'; ie a band that does not compete. This band pictured is a 'competition band', which adopts the drum and bugle corp style. College bands rarely adopt that style.

[Hottentot]

Is that the new version of the cwazy conpiwacy?

Not at all. The Righteous Rage (tm) is a phenomenon often observed both in the internet as well as in the real life. We, for example, had a case of The Righteous Rage in Finland recently when we heard there would be a film about Marshal Mannerheim in which he would be portrayed by a black actor. There was a thread about it in Subsim too, so I'm not going to recap further.

It's basically people feeling overly enraged over fairly silly stuff that's more often than not, as CCIP so well put it, "big deal". The Righteous part comes from people feeling that something sacred (and often unwritten) has been violated and therefore everyone should be enraged. That's what makes it different from just being upset.

It's a force that just manifests every now and then gets directed at some direction and then fades away to emerge again somewhere else. One of its favorite targets seems to be the American foreign politics and the other is, as in this case, history.

:know:

[Tribesman]

I do not see this incident as some sort of indoctrination.
That is because you are not from the world of yubba

[AVGWarhawk]

Then I don't understand your complaint about those uniforms. They are wearing what are very typical marching band uniforms. They are likely the same ones that they have been wearing for years. The style is what they call 'futuristic military', which is very popular among bands today.

I do not believe the gold color overcoat with red belt is the regular attire.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mENTeoNsL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

That is because you are not from the world of yubba


Some get a bit overzealous. Some call it a passion. Other call it lunacy.

[Hottentot]

On my 8th grade graduation we marched out to the Tannhauser March by Wagner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrB-ZJU61SU
Catchy tune!

I found out later it was one of Hitlers favorites.

Does that make me a nazi?

Personally I would be very careful with what you eat (http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3311). (Not Totally Safe For Work But Pretty Mild)

[soopaman2]

Yes. :shifty:

:up:
Thanks, just checking.

All jokes aside, I do not understand why this would take place.

I am left leaning,(though I am listed as independant on my voter registration) and abhor outright communism.

Although what is implied is that this is some sort of lefty conspiracy, to indoctrinate, and I am not buying it.

Take it from someone who has been known to strap on a tinfoil hat, and discuss congressional lobbyists and our energy (oil) companies.

But you know, a fake threat is always better, and the cold war has never ended for some, just as the the Civil War never ended for others.

[Takeda Shingen]

I do not believe the gold color overcoat with red belt is the regular attire.

Those are color guard uniforms. They are made by the parents themselves.

[AVGWarhawk]

Those are color guard uniforms. They are made by the parents themselves.

In this particular case I do not believe it.

[soopaman2]

Personally I would be very careful with what you eat (http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3311). (Not Totally Safe For Work But Pretty Mild)

I love me some grilled bratwurst.:D

It could be snowing outside, and I am in the backyard firing up the grill!

[Takeda Shingen]

In this particular case I do not believe it.

Okay.

[AVGWarhawk]

:up:
Thanks, just checking.

All jokes aside, I do not understand why this would take place.

I am left leaning,(though I am listed as independant on my voter registration) and abhor outright communism.

Although what is implied is that this is some sort of lefty conspiracy, to indoctrinate, and I am not buying it.

Take it from someone who has been known to strap on a tinfoil hat, and discuss congressional lobbyists and our energy (oil) companies.

But you know, a fake threat is always better, and the cold war has never ended for some, just as the the Civil War never ended for others.

This was not an intentional indoctrination IMO. It was someone's idea that was executed(lack of a better word) at the wrong time and place.

[Hottentot]

I love me some grilled bratwurst.:D

It could be snowing outside, and I am in the backyard firing up the grill!

Nutsy! Burn him!

[soopaman2]

This was not an intentional indoctrination IMO. It was someone's idea that was executed(lack of a better word) at the wrong time and place.

I agree. I mentioned earlier it may have been in the lesson plans at the time, and just topical. Not intentional, but not good in a time of political /economical strife.

[Takeda Shingen]

In any case, the hammer and sickle have been removed from the show.

http://www.eveningsun.com/localnews/ci_21620205/new-oxford-band-marches-hammers-and-sickles

Let us hope that spilling the blood of the director and the band boosters won't be necessary. I do wonder if the school will be changing it's colors from red, white and blue to just white and blue. :D

[Tribesman]

Those are color guard uniforms. They are made by the parents themselves.
Is the colour guard the ones that dance around the musicians waving flags or crosses or swords or hammers depending on the show?

But you know, a fake threat is always better, and the cold war has never ended for some, just as the the Civil War never ended for others.
I suppose fox news had to get some muppet to replace Beck after his cwazy conspiwacies got to much for the advertisers to put their name to, this is just another fake threat from Todd instead.


In any case, the hammer and sickle have been removed from the show.

pandering to one dumb parent, that the sad state your nation is in. Still at least the St Petersburg performance beat the other bands in the competion, I guess the judges lookedat the show and not some fake outrage by one ignorant git

[AVGWarhawk]

It's also common for the color guard to dress for the time period - like the olive military-style uniforms the guard wears for this field show, Harbaugh said. It's not only about the music, she added, but also about the visual elements.

http://www.eveningsun.com/localnews/ci_21629221/parents-object-characterization-band-show-communist

[Takeda Shingen]

Is the colour guard the ones that dance around the musicians waving flags or crosses or swords or hammers depending on the show?

That's them. Unlike the band proper, 'guards don't have standard uniforms. Their outfits will vary from year to year based on the theme of the show. To save cost, their flags and outfits are stictched by the parent organization (the boosters) themselves.

@AVG, what have I been saying for the last several posts? The guard uniforms change every year.

[Penguin]

How about a half time commemoration of the Khmer Rouge / Pol Pot years in Cambodia? Would that also be just a storm in a water glass to you as well?

As long as you continue to do business with the largest dictatorship in the world that calls itself communistic: yes. One of my favorite bands did a song called "Holiday in Cambodia" in the late 70s, catchy tune, the lyrics are not really an endorsement though.

[Penguin]

Personally I would be very careful with what you eat (http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3311). (Not Totally Safe For Work But Pretty Mild)

You can still use a Vienna sausage as a surrogate in your hotdog. As we all know, the Austrians never had anything to do with Nazism. Or, as a German comedian once said: "The Austrians are the smartest people on earth, they made Hitler a German and Beethoven one of them." :know:

But who the hell is Hans Gruber, a character from the sinfest cartoon? :06:

[soopaman2]

You can still use a Vienna sausage as a surrogate in your hotdog. As we all know, the Austrians never had anything to do with Nazism. Or, as a German comedian once said: "The Austrians are the smartest people on earth, they made Hitler a German and Beethoven one of them." :know:

But who the hell is Hans Gruber, a character from the sinfest cartoon? :06:


You never seen Die Hard 1?

Do yourself a favor, Alan Rickman is awesome.:D

He was a German terrorist trying to steal millions of bearer bonds from a corporate safe.

He got launched off a building in the end.

(no need to see it now) :D

[Hottentot]

Or, as a German comedian once said: "The Austrians are the smartest people on earth, they made Hitler a German and Beethoven one of them." :know:

I was going to to say that line after reading the first part of your post. Curse you for stealing my thoughts before I could think of them. :stare:


But who the hell is Hans Gruber, a character from the sinfest cartoon? :06:Not a clue, but definitely not a character from the comic. I wish there was a character with such an awesome name. It sounds hilarious when I pronounce it out loud.

Edit: Doh, there it was right above me. Well, it still sounds hilarious.

[Penguin]

You never seen Die Hard 1?

Do yourself a favor, Alan Rickman is awesome.:D

He was a German terrorist trying to steal millions of bearer bonds from a corporate safe.

He got launched off a building in the end.

(no need to see it now) :D

I've only seen the German dubbed version. Can't remember the nationality of the guys, but they were not German in the krautish translation - however they spoke in German - just like Bruce and the rest of the actors :03:. Wikipedia says they renamed Hans to 'Jack' :88)

[AVGWarhawk]

@AVG, what have I been saying for the last several posts? The guard uniforms change every year.

And I have said these look to be Russian uniforms as part of the show. Changing the uniform from year to year is not in question. What these kids are wearing are resembling Russian military uniforms. It is not as simple as a sickle and hammer. Time period clothing was part of the show. I said the kids should wear the school colors. These are not the school colors. These are olive green military uniforms.

[soopaman2]

I've only seen the German dubbed version. Can't remember the nationality of the guys, but they were not German in the krautish translation - however they spoke in German - just like Bruce and the rest of the actors :03:. Wikipedia says they renamed Hans to 'Jack' :88)

In the original American version they had German accents, and sometimes spoke German (with english subs) to each other. They were never officially given a specific nationality in the movie though.

[Tribesman]

That's them. Unlike the band proper, 'guards don't have standard uniforms. Their outfits will vary from year to year based on the theme of the show. To save cost, their flags and outfits are stictched by the parent organization (the boosters) themselves.

So when they dressed as 1940s american housewives it was the parents who made their outfits too
I wonder if some dumb twat complained to Faux about that?

I said the kids should wear the school colors
Why?
Those kids wear different costumes each show, they don't wear the school colours, why should they change that for this show?

Not a clue, but definitely not a character from the comic. I wish there was a character with such an awesome name. It sounds hilarious when I pronounce it out loud.

Edit: Doh, there it was right above me. Well, it still sounds hilarious.
But don't forget the other Hans Gruber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRp_gl-wPl8&feature=related

[AVGWarhawk]

So when they dressed as 1940s american housewives it was the parents who made their outfits too
I wonder if some dumb twat complained to Faux about that?

:06:

How do housewives and a bloody revolution correlate?

Why?
Those kids wear different costumes each show, they don't wear the school colours, why should they change that for this show?

Because marching bands are marching bands.

[yubba]

:06:

How do housewives and a bloody revolution correlate?



Because marching bands are marching bands.
I'd like to sit around and hear that one, but I got a pile of scrap metal to sort through,, feel like sanford and son at least they had a truck...

[Tribesman]

How do housewives and a bloody revolution correlate?

Same band different costume
Because marching bands are marching bands.
So you object to them dressing as 1940's housewives, 1920's flappers and european knights

[Penguin]

In the original American version they had German accents, and sometimes spoke German (with english subs) to each other. They were never officially given a specific nationality in the movie though.

They even made the title lamer: From "Die Hard" to "Stirb langam" - "Die Slowly" :nope:

Happens quite often here, e.g. in the German Simpsons dubbing Uter is a Swiss - easier for language jokes, as this way we can do lingo jokes about the Swiss accent.

An example where the dubbing improved the experience would be "Top Secret" - Val Kilmers first movie. They made the soldiers speak with East German accents. It was hillarious when we first saw the movie and rolled on the floor laughting. Then, when the wall came down, and heard the first 'Easties' talking, we realized that there are really people out there who speak like that :har:

Here is an example of the accent, YMCA sung in saxon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVJtNPYgQMo

[yubba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo

[AVGWarhawk]

Same band different costume

So you object to them dressing as 1940's housewives, 1920's flappers and european knights

Same band different costume? Different them probably that does not entail people dying in a revolution. I stated it is not the time or place for celebration of the Russian revolution. Again, what do flappers and housewives correlate to a blood spilled revolution? Why nothing.

In my neck the woods, marching bands are marching bands. They do not celebrate revolutions, wars or anything of a political nature.

[soopaman2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo

One of my all time favorites! I love Mel Brooks movies.:D

[Hottentot]

Since we're on the subject: how do you say "It's just a fleshwound" in German (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IfsjYVWNaM).

[Tribesman]

In my neck the woods, marching bands are marching bands. They do not celebrate revolutions, wars or anything of a political nature.
Maybe thats why they don't win the marching bands competitions like Oxford does.
So I take it their aviation theme was only Ok if it was civil aviation and didn't imply that other sorts of planes flew.:hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

And I have said these look to be Russian uniforms as part of the show. Changing the uniform from year to year is not in question. What these kids are wearing are resembling Russian military uniforms. It is not as simple as a sickle and hammer. Time period clothing was part of the show. I said the kids should wear the school colors. These are not the school colors. These are olive green military uniforms.

Then I am glad that you were not in the community where I directed. My color guard never wore the school colors (green and white). One year they wore matador-style outfits that were (gasp) red. Another, they wore Cosette-style peasant outfits that were light blue. For our American Civil War show (which included a 'Stars and Bars' flag) half wore blue and half wore grey.

EDIT: A compliation of show of the drum and bugle corp style, for those unfamiliar. Most bands up this way march and look in this style. Note the difference between the ensemble and guard. Also note that they are all theme shows; more akin to performance art than military band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAB2g38cEVw&feature=related

[AVGWarhawk]

Then I am glad that you were not in the community where I directed. My color guard never wore the school colors (green and white). One year they wore matador-style outfits that were (gasp) red. Another, they wore Cosette-style peasant outfits that were light blue. For our American Civil War show (which included a 'Stars and Bars' flag) half wore blue and half wore grey.

Does not happen here in MD. The band wears the standard issued uniform. As stated to Tribesman, performances in celebration of war, revolutions and political in nature do not occur at the local HS's of which there are 12 with in 5 miles of each other.

[Penguin]

For our American Civil War show (which included a 'Stars and Bars' flag) half wore blue and half wore grey.


I presume this happened before the era of Fox News, otherwise you'd seen the headline: "School endorses a return to slavery." :88)

[Takeda Shingen]

Does not happen here in MD. The band wears the standard issued uniform. As stated to Tribesman, performances in celebration of war, revolutions and political in nature do not occur at the local HS's of which there are 12 with in 5 miles of each other.

The band wears the standard uniform here too. The guard does not.

[AVGWarhawk]

The band wears the standard uniform here too. The guard does not.

I understand your distinction now. The guard here will wear their standard uniform that matches in color of the band. Unless it is something special. The special performances are of not of the same nature as seen at the Oxford HS. Again, not political of nature.

[AVGWarhawk]

Maybe thats why they don't win the marching bands competitions like Oxford does.
So I take it their aviation theme was only Ok if it was civil aviation and didn't imply that other sorts of planes flew.:hmmm:

The subject at hand is not about a competition. However, there is countywide and statewide competition in my school district and state. The uniforms do not change. They can not afford to change uniforms.

Who would conduct a marching band show about aviation? Tribesman, this is not like you. You have been reading too much Yubba.

[Takeda Shingen]

Who would conduct a marching band show about aviation?

In 2008, the Souderton Area High School Big Red Marching Band (that's one long name) did, in fact perform a show where the theme was flight. It was a purchased (aka 'cookie cutter') show.

http://www.msconcepts.com/shows/show-detail.asp?showid=492

[Tribesman]

As stated to Tribesman, performances in celebration of war, revolutions and political in nature do not occur at the local HS's of which there are 12 with in 5 miles of each other.
So does that rule out the star spangled banner?:rotfl2:

The subject at hand is not about a competition.

The subect is about a competition, the piece in question was their routine they had prepared for this competition, it was the performance that won the competition.

The uniforms do not change. They can not afford to change uniforms.

As Takeda has repeatedly stated, the parents do it.

Who would conduct a marching band show about aviation?
The same band who did the 1940s American houswives, the same band who did St Petersburg, the band that wins the competitions for bands doing these shows.
Simple isn't it.

[Tribesman]

Hey Takeda, your link has a nazi themed show for bands to perform in this years marching bands season, quick call Faux news.

[AVGWarhawk]

So does that rule out the star spangled banner?

Star Spangled Banner is normally played via loudspeaker. Not the band.

The subect is about a competition, the piece in question was their routine they had prepared for this competition, it was the performance that won the competition.

No it is not. This performance was at halftime during a football game. The competition was over the weekend prior. The discussion concern celebration of a revolution and not a competition.

As Takeda has repeatedly stated, the parents do it.

Maybe where he lives. Not where I live. The parents do not make the uniforms or outfits for special performances. Is what Tak states status quo of all schools? Not from my experience.

The same band who did the 1940s American houswives, the same band who did St Petersburg, the band that wins the competitions for bands doing these shows.
Simple isn't it.

Yes the same band that someone finally called out the school on for the Russian Revolution performance. I can not say I have seen anything like it in my school days nor from the HS my two daughters attend.

[Takeda Shingen]

Hey Takeda, your link has a nazi themed show for bands to perform in this years marching bands season, quick call Faux news.

Where? I see two Civil Wars, two Les Miserables, Gladiator, Jesus Christ Superstar (uh oh), Pirates of Penzance (take that, Victorian class system), two Russian shows (communist content unkown), Tribute to Michael Jackson (pedophilic content unknown), West Side Story (gang-related content unknown) and two Wicked (witchcraft-related content unknown).

[AVGWarhawk]

In 2008, the Souderton Area High School Big Red Marching Band (that's one long name) did, in fact perform a show where the theme was flight. It was a purchased (aka 'cookie cutter') show.

http://www.msconcepts.com/shows/show-detail.asp?showid=492


Nice concept. Can not say I have seen it performed. Dare say I probably will not in my lifetime.

[mookiemookie]

One year they wore matador-style outfits that were (gasp) red.

How dare you. Not only were these kids glorifying animal cruelty and the murdering of bulls, but they were dressed as communist animal murderers.

The color red should be banned from all of American society forever, as this thread clearly shows that we run the risk of melting like the Wicked Witch of the West when faced with anything having to with Russia circa 1917-1991

[Takeda Shingen]

How dare you. Not only were these kids glorifying animal cruelty and the murdering of bulls, but they were dressed as communist animal murderers.

What can I say? I was the James Dean of marching band directors.

[AVGWarhawk]

How dare you. Not only were these kids glorifying animal cruelty and the murdering of bulls, but they were dressed as communist animal murderers.

Is it animal cruelty or just sport? I would bet my daughter would call animal cruelty. The same daughter who left her biology class during the dissection of a pig fetus. She sees it as cruelty. The teacher respected that decision and allowed her minimal exposure without recourse.

Welcome to the world of different perspectives.

[mookiemookie]

http://i.imgur.com/kTUxc.jpg

This is from a picture took of me with my friends in a bar.

This is the tshirt I'm wearing in that photo:

http://www.threadless.com/imgs/products/383/636x460design_01.jpg

I guess I'm glorifying communism. Someone call Fox News!

[Takeda Shingen]

http://i.imgur.com/kTUxc.jpg

This is from a picture took of me with my friends in a bar.

This is the tshirt I'm wearing in that photo:

[image]

I guess I'm glorifying communism. Someone call Fox News!

Yeah, but more importantly -- Are you drinking Bud Light?

[AVGWarhawk]

Looks like you are ridiculing Communism, not glorifying. :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

Where? I see two Civil Wars, two Les Miserables, Gladiator, Jesus Christ Superstar (uh oh), Pirates of Penzance (take that, Victorian class system), two Russian shows (communist content unkown), Tribute to Michael Jackson (pedophilic content unknown), West Side Story (gang-related content unknown) and two Wicked (witchcraft-related content unknown).
Think Julie Andrews:03:

No it is not. This performance was at halftime during a football game. The competition was over the weekend prior. The discussion concern celebration of a revolution and not a competition.

They performed their competition piece at a match, damn them sportsfans were lucky to get a decent piece instead of the usual medley from glee or that nonce Takeda mentioned.
But yet again you are making a baseless assertion, its a complete nonsense that it is a celebration, or do you think those french themed pieces other schools are queing up to perform are also a celebration of revolution?



Yes the same band that someone finally called out the school on for the Russian Revolution performance
You mean the band a single idiot complained to Fox about?

Maybe where he lives. Not where I live. The parents do not make the uniforms or outfits for special performances. Is what Tak states status quo of all schools? Not from my experience
Yeah some parents are like that, they just don't take an interest.

[Takeda Shingen]

Think Julie Andrews:03:

Ah, I see. The hills are alive with the sound of goose steps.

[mookiemookie]

Yeah, but more importantly -- Are you drinking Bud Light?

Miller Lite, which is owned by SABMiller, which is a UK company. See? Even more unpatriotic!

[AVGWarhawk]

Yeah some parents are like that, they just don't take an interest.

It is not required of the student or parent. Not a matter of lack of interest on the parents part. I expect better of you. Baseless assertion..tut tut...

[Takeda Shingen]

Miller Lite, which is owned by SABMiller, which is a UK company. See? Even more unpatriotic!

Ugh. If we ever meet, I am helping you improve your beer selection. :O:

[Tribesman]

I expect better of you.
Come on Warhawk admit it, that was funny.

But here you go have some people "celebrating" the republican revolution at a football match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMtuxbt7LBc&feature=related

Or for more enjoy the topics band last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oas4Mb3jRXA&feature=relmfu
damn that wars politics and blood eh

[soopaman2]

Miller Lite, which is owned by SABMiller, which is a UK company. See? Even more unpatriotic!


Some Dutch conglomerate bought Anheiser-Busch.

I used to be a Bud man, only because I know they kept existing infrastructure, and kept the jobs here after the sale. I switched to Sam Adams later.

I for one do not mind multi-nationalism. As long as Americans still work.

Only real American beer left is Sam Adams, and microbrews.

(edit: Ranier from the Pac west is kickass beer)

[Takeda Shingen]

Or for more enjoy the topics band last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oas4Mb3jRXA&feature=relmfu
damn that wars politics and blood eh

Gasp! Guard in military fatigues!

[mookiemookie]

Ugh. If we ever meet, I am helping you improve your beer selection. :O:

Hah...well, I know and enjoy good beer in addition to the peewater. St. Arnold's (http://www.saintarnold.com/) is a local brewery who makes some darn fine beers - really love their Amber Ale, and they make a great IPA too. Maredsous also makes great beer...the Tripel is deeeelicious.

I switched to Sam Adams later.

Same makes some good stuff too. Cherry Wheat is a fun summertime beer. Old Fezziwig is disgusting though.

[AVGWarhawk]

Come on Warhawk admit it, that was funny.

But here you go have some people "celebrating" the republican revolution at a football match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMtuxbt7LBc&feature=related

Or for more enjoy the topics band last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oas4Mb3jRXA&feature=relmfu
damn that wars politics and blood eh

Yeah, it was. By and large most parents don't care what happens to their kids at school. This instance concerning the band at my local HS the parent/student are not required to prepare their uniform at their expense. The standard uniform is worn. Political performances are not done.

First clip...post game show. No one cares.

Second clip...Oxford has a real issue with blood and gore. Perhaps this years performance was the last straw. :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Hah...well, I know and enjoy good beer in addition to the peewater. St. Arnold's (http://www.saintarnold.com/) is a local brewery who makes some darn fine beers - really love their Amber Ale, and they make a great IPA too. Maredsous also makes great beer...the Tripel is deeeelicious.



Same makes some good stuff too. Cherry Wheat is a fun summertime beer. Old Fezziwig is disgusting though.


Bud light, the number one beer in America if I'm not mistaken. I drink it when eating crabs or just when I want a few. It is not heavy. It is great after cutting the grass to handle that thurst. You keep on drinking that beer Mookie. :up:

[Takeda Shingen]

Bud light, the number one beer in America if I'm not mistaken. I drink it when eating crabs or just when I want a few. It is not heavy. It is great after cutting the grass to handle that thurst. You keep on drinking that beer Mookie. :up:

Don't listen mookie! That just the voice of The Man trying to keep you down. You don't have to keep choking down that Victory brand beer. :D

[AVGWarhawk]

Tak, it is a good beer for a hot summer day. The heavy beers just don't cut it. Personally I like Shiner Beer. Mookie knows of Shiner Beer. :D

[August]

As long as you continue to do business with the largest dictatorship in the world that calls itself communistic: yes. One of my favorite bands did a song called "Holiday in Cambodia" in the late 70s, catchy tune, the lyrics are not really an endorsement though.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree then. You do what you think right in your country and let us do what we think is right in ours.

[Takeda Shingen]

This instance concerning the band at my local HS the parent/student are not required to prepare their uniform at their expense.

Sorry to jump back into this, but it is worth nothing that it likely isn't at their own expense. The band has his own budget with money acquired through fundraisers. Part of that money pays for transportation costs to competitions (which are not covered by the school budget), marching band staff salaries (only the director is paid by the school) and flag, prop, and guard outfit costs. The materiels are purchased through this budget and the students are measured. The outfits for the guard are then made by a group of parent volunteers. Our group was call the sewing committee, which was certainly an apt name. They would make all of the flags and outfits for color guard.

That, of course, leads to the fact that the parents of these performers were very much aware of what the theme of this show was. Many of them worked from within to help it along.

[August]

I presume this happened before the era of Fox News, otherwise you'd seen the headline: "School endorses a return to slavery." :88)


Fox wouldn't have said that. MSNBC maybe but not Fox.

[soopaman2]

Our school used fundraising from overpriced candybars. They actually gave kids a box of candy to sell on the honor system.

I had to sell some as a football booster.

I had my girlfriend at the time do it, because people would buy from a blonde with big boobs, rather than a somewhat undersized free safety.:D

[AVGWarhawk]

Sorry to jump back into this, but it is worth nothing that it likely isn't at their own expense. The band has his own budget with money acquired through fundraisers. Part of that money pays for transportation costs to competitions (which are not covered by the school budget), marching band staff salaries (only the director is paid by the school) and flag, prop, and guard outfit costs. The materiels are purchased through this budget and the students are measured. The outfits for the guard are then made by a group of parent volunteers. Our group was call the sewing committee, which was certainly an apt name. They would make all of the flags and outfits for color guard.

That, of course, leads to the fact that the parents of these performers were very much aware of what the theme of this show was. Many of them worked from within to help it along.

Fundraisers for my co-workers daughter in the marching band is for transportation to competitions. There is not any uniform changes or having to have a committee making uniforms or outfits for the guard. Often there are car wash fund raiser to get money for plane tickets to HI. Not uniforms. At any rate, every school runs things differently.

Just because the parent was aware of the theme of the show does not mean they agreed with said theme. I get the impression these types of shows with similar themes stem from this particular school frequently. If that is the case I guess a performance of Caligula would pass muster.

[Takeda Shingen]

I get the impression these types of shows with similar themes stem from this particular school frequently. If that is the case I guess a performance of Caligula would pass muster.

I think that there would be a clear seperation between the display of a symbol and a nude orgy of minors.

[soopaman2]

Maybe controversy was the point of this?

Sometimes negative attention is better then no attention.

I am just throwing stuff out there, this boggles my mind honestly.
Maybe even trying to justify a bad director, who should go away for causing such trouble. I cannot judge, I've seen alot of good people do horrid things at times.

I see hammer and sickle I think Stalin. I know he killed more than Hitler, and was allowed to.

I cannot see any glorious angle, and at the same time cannot see a program director sacrificing their career to do this.

I am confused, and just offering possible reasons.

Bad judgement, nonetheless.

edit: Too bad there is no full videos of the show, I can see if they were sticking to a theme, or just being controversial for the sake of it.

[AVGWarhawk]

I think that there would be a clear seperation between the display of a symbol and a nude orgy of minors.

That would certainly create similar outrage...

[Takeda Shingen]

That would certainly create similar outrage...

No, it would result in criminal charges being made against the band director.

[AVGWarhawk]

No, it would result in criminal charges being made against the band director.

My example of Caligula being acceptable was at the extreme because this school looks to accept just about anything the band director hands out. I have drawn this conclusion after watching and reading other items showing these types of performances/material are common place at this HS. My point is, when is it not acceptable to continue performances such as the Russian Revolution? The band was inspired by the music of the Russian composer. Why not celebrate the culture and not the war? Put the guard in traditional dress of the people at the time.

[August]

Bad judgement, nonetheless.

This pretty much sums it up. No need to make a federal case of it. I say just discipline or fire the person who decided this was ok and move on.

[AVGWarhawk]

Maybe even trying to justify a bad director, who should go away for causing such trouble. I cannot judge, I've seen alot of good people do horrid things at times.

Perhaps it is this notion that the director has worn out her welcome with performances such as this. The history shows these are what shes like to do. One never knows.

[AVGWarhawk]

This pretty much sums it up. No need to make a federal case of it. I say just discipline or fire the person who decided this was ok and move on.

Tenure. Sorry.

[Tribesman]

I get the impression these types of shows with similar themes stem from this particular school frequently.
The only things which are similar are that they contain music and a dance routine, its what those bands do

The band was inspired by the music of the Russian composer. Why not celebrate the culture and not the war? Put the guard in traditional dress of the people at the time.
That is traditional dress isn't it, its basicly an attempt at the Tolstoy shirt like is worn in that other "celebration" of the russian revolution Dr Zhivargo

You still are working on a baseless assumption, what on earth makes you think it was a celebration of the revolution?
what apart from faux news actually gives you that impression?
If you are unable to show that the many "contravertial" themes available and performed throughout the states are actually celebrations rather than just themed performances how can you honestly continue your line of arguement.

[AVGWarhawk]

You are working in your own world. I never said it was a celebration of a revolution nor disagreed with it. However, I did say the theatrical department of the school should host such performances. Not the marching band. My opinion.

Stop with the baseless assumptions I'm apparently working on. Christsakesalive!

Off to a Ravens football game. I hope the band performs Caligula.

[Tribesman]

You are working in your own world. I never said it was a celebration of a revolution nor disagreed with it.
That is an interesting view.

Why not celebrate the culture and not the war?

I stated it is not the time or place for celebration of the Russian revolution

In my neck the woods, marching bands are marching bands. They do not celebrate revolutions, wars or anything of a political nature.

As stated to Tribesman, performances in celebration of war, revolutions and political in nature do not occur at the local HS's of which there are 12 with in 5 miles of each other.

The discussion concern celebration of a revolution and not a competition

I wonder who said all that then?:hmmm:

However, I did say the theatrical department of the school should host such performances. Not the marching band. My opinion.

So the theatre should run the marching band for the marching band competitions not the marching band. An interesting view

Off to a Ravens football game.
Enjoy the match

[AVGWarhawk]

None of what you copied and pasted state that I see this as a celebration of revolution.

So the theatre should run the marching band for the marching band competitions not the marching band. An interesting view

Really Tribesmen. This is how you interpret my statement that the theatrical department should host performances of a revolution and not the marching band department? :shifty:

Off to the game ta ta.

[Tribesman]

None of what you copied and pasted state that I see this as a celebration of revolution.

So as an example when you say the discussion is about the celebration of a revolution you really mean the discussion is not about the celebration of a revolution, and when you say it wasn't the time or place for a celebration of the revolution you mean the time and place don't matter because there wasn't a celebration of the revolution anyway.
Thanks for clearing that up.

[yubba]

Well, if they don't know their history,, they sure do now,, if I was a kid in that band and I wasn't taught world history that covered that,, and I was embarrassed like that,, well to be honest I don't know what I would think, I do feel bad for the kids.

[Takeda Shingen]

I feel bad for the kids too. They've become the pawns in this latest game of the right wing spin machine.

[August]

Tenure. Sorry.

That depends on the state. This ain't college professors we're talking about.

[AVGWarhawk]

So as an example when you say the discussion is about the celebration of a revolution you really mean the discussion is not about the celebration of a revolution, and when you say it wasn't the time or place for a celebration of the revolution you mean the time and place don't matter because there wasn't a celebration of the revolution anyway.
Thanks for clearing that up.

Are you some sort of wise guy?:06: You stated I believed this is a celebration of a revolution. Nowhere did I state this. I stated this is a discussion about this being a celebration to some. Others not. Some responded in the positive. Others in the negative. I responded to neither. What part is not clear?

[Tribesman]

What part is not clear?
What your objections are.
You cannot say that it is not the time or place for something to happen and then claim you have no objections to that thing.
You state that it is one thing then claim you have never stated it is that thing.

Lets run through some again.
Why not celebrate the culture and not the war?
If you want them to celebrate the culture and not the war it implies you think they are celebrating the war(revolution)
I stated it is not the time or place for celebration of the Russian revolution
If you are saying it is not the time or place for it you are saying the performance was indeed a celebration of it.
They do not celebrate revolutions, wars or anything of a political nature.
So is this band celebrating those or is that a non distinctive distinction you make with it and your local bands?
performances in celebration of war, revolutions and political in nature do not occur at the local HS's
Same again.
The discussion concern celebration of a revolution and not a competition
I see nothing to object about unless the band played badly or the dancers were rubbish, apart from the traditional pre revolution peasant outfits which you equated with red army greatcoats do you have anything to say on the performance that doesn't hinge on it being a "celebration" as it appears that your comments all hinge on the idea that it was a celebration?