Newbie questions +

[Marshall Ney]

I finially picked up SH 5, last week, via a package thru Steam; and like many I have read on numerous forum threads, am struggling getting use to new controls,etc. I have a two part question here. First.
I struggled greatly w/aiming/shooting/hitting also and started exploring forums, then videos. I finially found a video that I thought I understood, by John Greaney. Now, I am playing the vilnella version, from Steam, with no mods. Basically, the video showed, use ruler to mark a trajectory of the target. Then, use protractor to click on trajectory line, then click on target ship, then click on your sub!!! I watched this video 3-4 times, but when I get back into my game, all is well untill AOB part, when I notice that there IS a port side and a starboard side to my game. AND it seems like something is fishy here. I thought, I know, port is left, starboard is right, BUT, no!!! It's not correct!!! Or am I missing something??? Does port or starboard ,matter here; this wasn't mentioned in video, so I left wondering??? OR, can I assume that the video is with a mod and this problem is fixed??

Now to second part, I have been reading this forum, watching videos and the information is overwelming. I'd like to mod, and I have watched the "how to mod" video and I think I can. But, I'd like a couple-three opinions as to what ones to use with the following guidelines. I'm not to keen on "bells & whistles" , whether water is true ocean color! I want gameplay with some old controls, from 3&4, plus whatever else the communtiy has come up with. Things don't have to be pretty, but I want things like "depth under keel" handier. This depth info is vastly important is this part of the seas, where sometimes the bottom is only 20-30 fathoms!!! I have been playing Sh 3 mostly this week, mainly because it's fresher, since I haven't played in maybe 6-7-8 yrs, and finding this in SH 5 is a chore. It took the video mentioned above, for me to find the attack periscope!!

Anyway, I thank in advance any input from anyone, and hopefully I can get this game sorted out.

Marshall Ney

[Targor Avelany]

I finially picked up SH 5, last week, via a package thru Steam; and like many I have read on numerous forum threads, am struggling getting use to new controls,etc. I have a two part question here. First.
I struggled greatly w/aiming/shooting/hitting also and started exploring forums, then videos. I finially found a video that I thought I understood, by John Greaney. Now, I am playing the vilnella version, from Steam, with no mods. Basically, the video showed, use ruler to mark a trajectory of the target. Then, use protractor to click on trajectory line, then click on target ship, then click on your sub!!! I watched this video 3-4 times, but when I get back into my game, all is well untill AOB part, when I notice that there IS a port side and a starboard side to my game. AND it seems like something is fishy here. I thought, I know, port is left, starboard is right, BUT, no!!! It's not correct!!! Or am I missing something??? Does port or starboard ,matter here; this wasn't mentioned in video, so I left wondering??? OR, can I assume that the video is with a mod and this problem is fixed??

Now to second part, I have been reading this forum, watching videos and the information is overwelming. I'd like to mod, and I have watched the "how to mod" video and I think I can. But, I'd like a couple-three opinions as to what ones to use with the following guidelines. I'm not to keen on "bells & whistles" , whether water is true ocean color! I want gameplay with some old controls, from 3&4, plus whatever else the communtiy has come up with. Things don't have to be pretty, but I want things like "depth under keel" handier. This depth info is vastly important is this part of the seas, where sometimes the bottom is only 20-30 fathoms!!! I have been playing Sh 3 mostly this week, mainly because it's fresher, since I haven't played in maybe 6-7-8 yrs, and finding this in SH 5 is a chore. It took the video mentioned above, for me to find the attack periscope!!

Anyway, I thank in advance any input from anyone, and hopefully I can get this game sorted out.

Marshall Ney

1) the port/starboard do matter. Not sure what kind of problem with this you are having though. No bugs that I'm aware of either. Just to be on a safe side: on the dial it is meant port/starboard of the SHIP and not the uboat.
2) Well, you have 2 choices for UI. NewUI by TDW has settings allowing you to set SH3/4 dials and buttons. You also can try CSP MaGUI, which, it seems, has a brand new awesome looking stuff :)

[Marshall Ney]

Targo thanks, for replay. BUT I am more and more overwelmed by all the information here. I think, I found the "CSP Mag UI" but the link takes one to "mediafire.com" for the download??? Is this correct??? Is this where all the UIs are found??? I haven't found New Ui by TDW, yet.

Now, a second question; I bought this game thru STEAM, and I have seen some other inquires about these mods and STEAM, but no difinitive answer. ARE there any not compatable? Ihave seen some posts about re-installing a clean copy for mod install. Is this par for the course. Also, the search on this forum doesn't seem to be very helpful; then again, maybe I don't know how to put correct search words in.

Thanks,

M. Ney

[Targor Avelany]

Targo thanks, for replay. BUT I am more and more overwelmed by all the information here. I think, I found the "CSP Mag UI" but the link takes one to "mediafire.com" for the download??? Is this correct??? Is this where all the UIs are found??? I haven't found New Ui by TDW, yet.

Now, a second question; I bought this game thru STEAM, and I have seen some other inquires about these mods and STEAM, but no difinitive answer. ARE there any not compatable? Ihave seen some posts about re-installing a clean copy for mod install. Is this par for the course. Also, the search on this forum doesn't seem to be very helpful; then again, maybe I don't know how to put correct search words in.

Thanks,

M. Ney

No, you are correct - the search function of this forum is not the best one. A lost of people (including myself) use google ability to search sites: i.e. "newui site:subsim.com"

Also, if you will look through SH5 Mods Workshop forum, you will find a lot of information on mods.

In regards to locations of the files: the modders place their mods whenever they want. mediafire is one of the locations, but it doesn't mean that ALL of the files are there. Depends on the modder and their prefference at the time of the creation of the mod.

In regards to steam: most of the mods work fine with the Steam version.
What DOES NOT work is the so-called "unnoficial SH5 .exe patch" made by TDW. It fixes a huge amount of vanila problems (i.e. hydrophone is actually WORKING after that patch).

The rest: you'll have to read through the threads of the mods and try :)
Good luck! :rock:

[Marshall Ney]

I posted a question about the CSP Magui Interface, about how to use manuel targeting in this mod; can't find it, and little dude that allows one to use this doesn't auto popup, so how does one get this to happen??

My earlier post is in workshp area.

MN

[GT182]

My understanding is that many mods will not work with the Steam verson of SH5, even patched to v1.2. You would have been better off getting the dvd of SH5. Amazon.com would be the best place to get it from these days.

[Segwin]

http://www.amazon.com/silent-hunter-5-battle-atlantic-Pc/dp/B005EOP1XI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1349118842&sr=8-3&keywords=silent+hunter+5

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[Sailor Steve]

all is well untill AOB part, when I notice that there IS a port side and a starboard side to my game. AND it seems like something is fishy here. I thought, I know, port is left, starboard is right, BUT, no!!! It's not correct!!! Or am I missing something??? Does port or starboard ,matter here; this wasn't mentioned in video, so I left wondering??? OR, can I assume that the video is with a mod and this problem is fixed?
I'm not sure what you're seeing, not having watched the video myself. My first question is, do you understand that AOB is not the angle you see the target at, but the angle he sees you at. If he is approaching from your port side, you are to his starboard, and vice versa. That may be the problem you're having.

[gap]

@ Marshall Ney

When I installed SH5 for the first time, I spent the first weeks digging the basics of ship's hunting from them following tutorials.

Many of them were written for SHIII/IV, but being based on universal trigonometric laws and on tactics actually used during WWII, they still apply to SH5: :yep:

They will help you as well getting used to the therminology and parameter's definitions involved in torpedo solution calculations.

Here they are:


The Hunt: An ilustrated example of how to sink a ship by Dantenoc:
- Part 1 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=197846&postcount=1)
- Part 2 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=197867&postcount=3)


Wazoo's Manual Charting & Targeting Tutorial [v 2.3][DOC] (http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=wazoo's%20manual%20charting%20%26%20targeting%20 tutorial%20%5Bv%202.3%5D%20pdf&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.finael.fr%2Fsh3%2Fcharge%2Fch arting_%26_targeting.doc&ei=3BVqUOCHB4354QTws4BI&usg=AFQjCNE_BRBsuaqOIMfJZsIWLZ5c9ij2oA) by Paul "Wazoo" Wasserman


The four bearings method v 2 [PDF] (http://lnpi.net/docs/the_four_bearings_method_v2.pdf) by Kuikueg


The Dick O'Kane (UB & FB) and Fast-90 (UB only) attack methods (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=652326&postcount=67) by Rockin Robbins


RAOBF (Range Angle Of Bow Finder) quick tutorial (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1435215&highlight=graticules#post1435215) by TheDarkWraith


Slide Rule Targeting For Silent Hunter III / IV (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=508181&postcount=1) by Puster Bill


High Realism Tutorial revised March, 2009 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1075634&postcount=1) by CapnScurvy


Trevally Tutorials (for TDWs UI) v 0.2 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1547791&postcount=1) by Trevally

[Marshall Ney]

Gap, thanks for the "numerous informations". I will endevor to watch & study.Also, Segwin, thanks, that's the clearest explanation I have seen about the port & starboard side questions.:salute:

Secondly, I have complained the last couple of days about the interface of CSP Magui because the tool of determing whether one wanted manual or TCP targeting was hiidden & a mystery to me. WELL, solved. I had a situation today where the visability on the water was very clear, so I had to submerge sooner. I got all settings adjusted and thought while I have idle time I'll type this ship exactly(I very seldom have ever used the book to see what I was shooting!! If it was a destroyer, shoot around 2 meters; id it's a cargo or tanker, shoot 2-5 meters and etc. Anyways, I pull out what I thought was the book AND lo-and-behold this is the manual targeting thing-ma-job. Here, is what I had been looking for. AND, I think the modders who made this significant change in the interface, should have dome documentation about it, or have a photo of same. It's been very frustrating, first with the vanilla game, now with this mod, trying to learn the game.

If it wasn't for this forum, and you nice guys, I would have given up!!! But this seems to be par-for-the-course for game makers, and publishers. Leave to the gaming community to figure out.:timeout:

That's just my opine.

Again thanks all,

MN

[GT182]

Just found this too.... "Battle for the Atlantic" by Gary Jeffrey: http://compare.ebay.com/like/150791288015?ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar

Paperback book [3] for only $10.71 with free shipping. And also 4 for $5.99 plus 3.00 shipping.

[Harbinger1]

Hi guy I have an extra dvd of SH5 unopened. I am willing to send it to you free of charge. If you can give me a physical address I will send it to you. You can use a mail box someones business address or any where that you are comfortable with. make sure you make it`s a private message when sending the address to me...Harbinger.

[Targor Avelany]

Hi guy I have an extra dvd of SH5 unopened. I am willing to send it to you free of charge. If you can give me a physical address I will send it to you. You can use a mail box someones business address or any where that you are comfortable with. make sure you make it`s a private message when sending the address to me...Harbinger.
That is very generous of you :up:

I'm really happy to see such things happening! :sunny:

:salute:

[Harbinger1]

I just hope he gets this message in time...Think ill send it as a private message.

[Segwin]

Hi guy I have an extra dvd of SH5 unopened. I am willing to send it to you free of charge. If you can give me a physical address I will send it to you. You can use a mail box someones business address or any where that you are comfortable with. make sure you make it`s a private message when sending the address to me...Harbinger.


:up:

[Marshall Ney]

Can you believe this??? I don't know what to say, but a thousands thanks.

Now for another question. IS this the same for SH3&4. That the better and there are more mods that don't work with Steam??

I was surprised to learn that I still disc for SH3; and I also have Sh4 disc.
At this time, I could only see messing with modding SH4, as 3&5 are so similar in theater of war/area.

Lastly, is there a consensus as to the best mega-mod being used?? And also supported??

Thanks again to all.

Have a Good day.

MN

[GT182]

Marshall, 3 & 5 are different. Not only in graphics but also how the sim is played out. But understand, the learning curve is different and a bit harder with 5. I don't think you'd be disappointed. I still have SH3 with GWX 3.0 but I haven't played it since I finally got SH5 set up to where I can play it.

There are many of us now playing 5 that wouldn't before, and that's due to the great mods that have "fixed" what was broken and have immensely changed it's looks. UBI is even doing away with SH5's enclosed DRM, like they did with SH3's StarForce and the what ever it was in SH4. And soon we hope.

[Marshall Ney]

I wasn't clear in what I was asking. I think that I know the answer, but is the mods downloaded & and installed the same for SH3,4,5??? that is, one uses JSGME thing to install mods for 3&4???

Also, is "Grey Wolves" super mod compatible with SH3. I looked on website, but could find no reference.

Since learning the method of the proper methed of shooting via TDC, I am cookin with gas. Before, if I hit with 2-3 torps, I was lucky. Now, I miss maybe 1-2 per patrol!!!!:up:

Thanks,

MN

[Sailor Steve]

I wasn't clear in what I was asking. I think that I know the answer, but is the mods downloaded & and installed the same for SH3,4,5??? that is, one uses JSGME thing to install mods for 3&4???
Yes, exactly the same. The 'G' in JSGME stands for 'Generic', and it was designed to work with any game, not just the Silent Hunter Series.

[quotepAlso, is "Grey Wolves" super mod compatible with SH3. I looked on website, but could find no reference.[/quote]
Grey Wolves eXpansion, AKA GWX3, works ONLY with SH3, nothing else. If you meant to ask if it works with SH5, no, it doesn't.

[Marshall Ney]

I meant to ask is "Grey Wolves" compatible with Steam version??:doh:

MN