Egypt’s New Leader Spells Out Terms for U.S.-Arab Ties

[Gerald]

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President Mohamed Morsi will travel to New York on Sunday for a United Nations meeting.

CAIRO — On the eve of his first trip to the United States as Egypt’s new Islamist president, Mohamed Morsi said the United States needed to fundamentally change its approach to the Arab world, showing greater respect for its values and helping build a Palestinian state, if it hoped to overcome decades of pent-up anger. A former leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt’s first democratically elected president, Mr. Morsi sought in a 90-minute interview with The New York Times to introduce himself to the American public and to revise the terms of relations between his country and the United States after the ouster of Hosni Mubarak, an autocratic but reliable ally. He said it was up to Washington to repair relations with the Arab world and to revitalize the alliance with Egypt, long a cornerstone of regional stability.

If Washington is asking Egypt to honor its treaty with Israel, he said, Washington should also live up to its own Camp David commitment to Palestinian self-rule. He said the United States must respect the Arab world’s history and culture, even when that conflicts with Western values.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/world/middleeast/egyptian-leader-mohamed-morsi-spells-out-terms-for-us-arab-ties.html?src=me&ref=general

Note: September 22, 2012

[soopaman2]

OK WARHAWKS, MOUNT UP, ANOTHER MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY TO KILL, WOO HOO!

We got this!

Lets go guys, I am sure we can discover a billion dollar mineral field, and then let them sell it to the Chinese like we did in Afghanistan!

I just applied for a job at Blackwater, and Xe international. The big winners!

Least we can do is keep the resources so many of some of our family members died for. Right? That is what it is about, unless you buy the freedom crap?

[CaptainMattJ.]

Who cares anymore? if they dont want relations with us, so be it. Theres little reasoning with countries that enforce things like sharia law. With nations that still live in the crusades as far as their social values are concerned. Countries that, to this day, desire to wipe Israel off the map for almost purely religious reasons, yet cry bloody murder when someone insults their religion. With many people who selectively interpret a religion and base a large chunk of their lives on it.

If they want to cut off ties, let them.

[Gerald]

Who cares anymore? if they dont want relations with us, so be it. Theres little reasoning with countries that enforce things like sharia law. With nations that still live in the crusades as far as their social values are concerned. Countries that, to this day, desire to wipe Israel off the map for almost purely religious reasons, yet cry bloody murder when someone insults their religion. With many people who selectively interpret a religion and base a large chunk of their lives on it.

If they want to cut off ties, let them. They do their own thing, with those relations as they think is necessary, as it has been in the foreseeable future.

[Jimbuna]

Who cares anymore? if they dont want relations with us, so be it. Theres little reasoning with countries that enforce things like sharia law. With nations that still live in the crusades as far as their social values are concerned. Countries that, to this day, desire to wipe Israel off the map for almost purely religious reasons, yet cry bloody murder when someone insults their religion. With many people who selectively interpret a religion and base a large chunk of their lives on it.

If they want to cut off ties, let them.

That is more or less how I and I suspect a growing number of people in the UK feel.

[soopaman2]

Oil seems to be the root of all our international problems.

If the ME was not oil rich we would treat it with the same Who gives a hoot as we do Africa.

I know this sounds socialist, but we need to threaten subsidies on oil companies in order to give us first crack at whatever is drilled here.

Or create a nationalized energy system.

Oh how socialist :roll:, but far better than going to war every few years to secure our supply.

Or we can stop being so resistant to nuclear, wind, tidal, hydroelectric power etc..

Alot of these industries would be viable if not interfered with or spun by oil company lobbies, who love the subsidy tit they have here.

And get the tree huggers off nuclear. And fund more research into cold fusion and hybrid reactors.
I like what I see on hybrid reactors, as they are much easier brought under control, as they operate in a subcritical state, It also produces less waste. They can also be used to produce energy from the waste of typical Fission reactors. Meaning we do not have to bury and guard it for a half a million years.

We do have options. Just that those options do not jive with the "job creators" who own our government.

[Takeda Shingen]

Who cares anymore? if they dont want relations with us, so be it. Theres little reasoning with countries that enforce things like sharia law. With nations that still live in the crusades as far as their social values are concerned. Countries that, to this day, desire to wipe Israel off the map for almost purely religious reasons, yet cry bloody murder when someone insults their religion. With many people who selectively interpret a religion and base a large chunk of their lives on it.

If they want to cut off ties, let them.

We can't do that. For good or ill, we have made Israel our chief ally in the region. Since that is the case, it is critical to our the interest of said ally that the new Egyptian government hold true to the terms of the 1979 peace treaty. Since rhetoric from the new government has seemed to place that treaty in danger, our continued diplomatic efforts in Egypt are forced. We simply must treat with them.

[AVGWarhawk]

Oil seems to be the root of all our international problems.

If the ME was not oil rich we would treat it with the same Who gives a hoot as we do Africa.

I would agree.

[eddie]

I'm so tired of people from the ME running their big mouths. I wish we didn't have military forces over there, then we could just about ignore everyone of them.

[Tribesman]

If the ME was not oil rich we would treat it with the same Who gives a hoot as we do Africa.

Can you describe your nations foriegn policy in Africa and can you guess what makes up 80% of the imports from sub saharan africa?
Though it must be said that the Chinese seem to be getting more and better deals. I suppose they must be out bidding America on that place you think they don't give a hoot about.

[soopaman2]

Can you describe your nations foriegn policy in Africa and can you guess what makes up 80% of the imports from sub saharan africa?
Though it must be said that the Chinese seem to be getting more and better deals. I suppose they must be out bidding America on that place you think they don't give a hoot about.


China already has all our jobs, handed to them on a silver platter by lobbyists and congress, they can have the resources too. After all, we gotta feed the blob.

What I was saying, that you do not see the military warhawk attention on Africa, in this country as you with the middle east.

You would understand if you lived here, but you make your living here trying to find stuff to disagree with me about.

Maybe if you buried someone you grew up with your whole life over an oil war, your tune would change.

Some of us are just utterly sick of being nothing more than a trough to feed off, be it lives or money.

[Tribesman]

What I was saying, that you do not see the military warhawk attention on Africa, in this country as you with the middle east.

Perhaps you should look more.
It was huge during the cold war, if fizzled on during the 90s and shot back up after 9/11.

[soopaman2]

Perhaps you should look more.
It was huge during the cold war, if fizzled on during the 90s and shot back up after 9/11.

China also bought that mineral field in Afghanistan that we found.

I bet someone got an addition to the house put on, a few someones I bet.

We are as corrupt as Iraq was. Maybe someone should worry about our weapons of mass destruction.

I am disgusted at times. Because I feel like I cannot change it.

I just want to be left alone, and leave others alone. Is that cowardly?

I mean if we are going to invade for resources, we should all at least share in the profit. Not just a select few, as they sell us out to a country who hates us, and will most likely invade us for fun. (China)

[nikimcbee]

United States must respect the Arab world’s history and culture, even when that conflicts with Western values.

:har::har::har:

I think we just found our first budget cut!

[Stealhead]

China is not going to invade the US anytime soon they lack any form of long range transportation capability.Also we are their biggest customer.

The minerals in Afghanistan is nothing new the Soviet Union knew about them years ago before their war there.The reason that US mining companies got the shaft (so did Canadian ones the largest mineral company is a Canadian firm)id because the Afghan government is corrupt and Chinese,Russian and Iranian companies got in the best bribes.We choose long ago to more or less allow the corruption so the bad mineral deals are actually our own fault. Oops.Also the US and Canadian companies should have done better research and made their move as soon as they had the results of the US surveys had they offered the best bribe the situation would be reversed the value was already roughly known as I said the USSR was heavily invested in mining in Afghanistan going all they way back into the 1950's.

[nikimcbee]

China is not going to invade the US anytime soon they lack any form of long range transportation capability.Also we are their biggest customer.


This. Unless they come up with some "magic navy" to protect their supply lines.

[soopaman2]

They still spend vastly less than America for military.

They spend more on homeland pacification than we do too.

Maybe my previous calls for military downgrading was premature.

I sense more of a threat from a Russia/China, than any middle east Craphole (with a capital C)

Think about it. What have they done with their UN membership that did not go out of their way to undermine the US. Russia, I understand, but China should be kissing our hairy beanbags. We should have let the Japanese keep them.

We fund most the UN, troop and money wise, yet we let them bend us over and sodomize us?

Israel in addition to oil. Yeah I said it, that is why we are embroiled in the middle east.

What would they do without our money? Hmmm?
They would be throwing rocks at Iranian tanks, like the pics of the Palistinians throwing rocks at Israeli tanks, that people giggle at.

I am not a Muzzy sympathizer, so that avenue of discrediting my post is kaput.

They were given land based on something written in a book, by someone with obvious bias.

You people debate gobal warming, and if Obama is American, but call every Harry Potter story in the bible true and factual? Then give some people a nation, while stealing the property of others, because you let someone asshat institute programs to kill millions of them.

Wheres the Russian people free land for the 50-60 million Stalin killed. How about their free foreign welfare for eternity?

How about when the Nazis and Russians (that we love like mudkips), supposedly carved up Poland for themselves, while we watched and ignored?
How about the Poles and Gypsy (Romanii) restitution. They got killed too, but are never in the infamous 6 million count.

Honesty not bigotry.

(calm down Germans, not a critisizm, what happened, happened. I am disagreeing with the reaction. :))

[Takeda Shingen]

We fund most the UN, troop and money wise, yet we let them bend us over and sodomize us?

The UN has always been relatively powerless and inept. This, of course, was something that was always felt, rather than said on the international stage. Iraq changed that, as things became said and felt. Since 2002, nations have acted with autonomy in international affairs and with blatent disregard to the UN. The end result is that while the UN was always ineffective, it is now irrelevant and ineffective. So, my question to you is that since we seem to have begun the post-UN world, how is it bending over and sodomizing any nation, let alone ours?

[soopaman2]

The UN has always been relatively powerless and inept. This, of course, was something that was always felt, rather than said on the international stage. Iraq changed that, as things became said and felt. Since 2002, nations have acted with autonomy in international affairs and with blatent disregard to the UN. The end result is that while the UN was always ineffective, it is now irrelevant and ineffective. So, my question to you is that since we seem to have begun the post-UN world, how is it bending over and sodomizing any nation, let alone ours?

US: I propose this.
France: Great Idea!
Britain: Cool beans:
Russia: Go fornicate with a family member.
China: What Russia said!

It is time for it to go, turn the UN headquarters in New York City into a homeless shelter, so it can actually help Americans for once.

Plus you should see the crap these diplomats pull off while here.

Take it from a lifelong New York City boy, even if my location says NJ.

(some of us are smart enough to go across the river)

[Takeda Shingen]

US: I propose this.
France: Great Idea!
Britain: Cool beans:
Russia: Go fornicate with a family member.
China: What Russia said!

I would add:

US: Whatever, I'm gonna do it anyway.

The UN has condemned our actions over the past decade. It has condemned our pollution output. It has condemned our treaties and compacts. Yet, none of that has deterred us in the least from acting as we see fit. So, the UN has words but they are hardly binding. In fact, what little authority that they used to speak on concerning matters has evaporated now that we have started ignoring them.

EDIT:

Take it from a lifelong New York City boy, even if my location says NJ.

I'm familiar with NYC. I lived in Manhattan for a time.

[soopaman2]

I'm familiar with NYC. I lived in Manhattan for a time.

My condolences, costs are insane there!:D

[Gerald]

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[Jimbuna]

I would add:

US: Whatever, I'm gonna do it anyway.

The UN has condemned our actions over the past decade. It has condemned our pollution output. It has condemned our treaties and compacts. Yet, none of that has deterred us in the least from acting as we see fit. So, the UN has words but they are hardly binding. In fact, what little authority that they used to speak on concerning matters has evaporated now that we have started ignoring them.



The only time the UN has been effective is when the veto hasn't been used and that is a very rare occurrence these days.

[nikimcbee]

The only time the UN has been effective is when the veto hasn't been used and that is a very rare occurrence these days.

I believe you are posting in the wrong thread. All UN references need to be posted in the joke thread.

What I find funny, is all the anti-Israel sabre, rattling by the current Egyptian leadership. I think they forgot what happened the last time they picked a fight with them.:hmm2:

It makes for more fodder for the history channel CGI shows.:haha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ydURmXMN0

[Jimbuna]

I believe you are posting in the wrong thread. All UN references need to be posted in the joke thread.

What I find funny, is all the anti-Israel sabre, rattling by the current Egyptian leadership. I think they forgot what happened the last time they picked a fight with them.:hmm2:

It makes for more fodder for the history channel CGI shows.:haha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ydURmXMN0

It could also be a means of diverting the Egyptian peoples minds away from the troubles at home.

[Tribesman]

Think about it. What have they done with their UN membership that did not go out of their way to undermine the US. Russia, I understand, but China should be kissing our hairy beanbags. We should have let the Japanese keep them.

I hate to burst your bubble again, but in case it escaped your notice China had this little thing called a civil war and the US backed the losing side.
So if you want your beanbags kissed send a request to Taiwan not China, but don't tell Taiwan about the other China or they will complain that their UN seat got stolen.

[Buddahaid]

:har::har::har:

United States must respect the Arab world’s history and culture, even when that conflicts with Western values.

I think we just found our first budget cut!

I agree and so does the Arab world need to respect western history and culture. They can go first and lead by example.