The 47 percent

[yubba]

That almost means there is more people in the cart than is pulling it.
Well I heard a little rumor that no one is lending the US government any more money, weren't we borrowing 40 cents on every dollar spent to run this government, and the FED is printing money faster than they can make paper, yep it was a good time till we ran out of other peoples money, like I said, it sounded like a rumor but there is some facts you just can't ignore .
47 percent don't pay taxes, 44 million people on food stamps, general electric paid no corperate taxes, 1200 business got waivers from Obama care, unions are excempt from it too, I thought it was equal justice for all..16 trillion dollars in debt,, and when it all goes to hell it will be all the takers that will take to the street.

[Oberon]

Been a while Yubba, thought you'd lost your touch there. Been, what, at least seven days? Maybe a bit more? :hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

And now a word from reality.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57515033-503544/fact-checking-romneys-47-percent-comment/

Some highlights:

46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax. The same data shows, however, that nearly two-thirds of households that paid no income tax did pay payroll taxes. And most people also pay some combination of state, local, sales, gas and property taxes.

. According to 2011 data (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?DocID=3057) from the Tax Policy Center, more than half of the filing units not paying income taxes are those with incomes less than $16,812 per year. Nearly a third - 29.2 percent - of those paying no income taxes are tax filers earning between $16,812 and $33,542, and 12.8 percent are those with incomes between $33,542 and $59,486. In other words, the poor are least likely to pay federal income taxes, but many middle-class families are also exempt. Smaller but significant numbers of the higher-income earners are also exempt: The same data shows that in 2011, 78,000 tax filers with incomes between $211,000 and $533,000 paid no income taxes; 24,000 households with incomes of $533,000 to $2.2 million paid no income taxes, and 3,000 tax filers with incomes above $2.2 million paid no income taxes.

Overall, according to (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001547-Why-No-Income-Tax.pdf)the Tax Policy Center, "of the 38 million tax units made nontaxable by the addition of tax expenditures, 44 percent are moved off the tax rolls by elderly tax benefits and another 30 percent by credits for children and the working poor."

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled ranting, already in progress.

[soopaman2]

So if you made so little as you had no choice but to feed your family Ramen noodles because you had to pay rent or a medical bill, makes you one of the freeloaders, then so be it.

I recovered, I broke my ass, but were it not for a few months of government help, to feed my family, I would have been done. I now make a fair middle class wage. I tried though, found no joy in my situation.


But you got yours, and the chances for other people to get thiers is being taken away one by one, by our corporate ass kissing government.

They are people my friend, except when it comes to prosecuting for crimes, my friend.

There are too many people who do not deserve benefits . But there is little regulation over it either. (you guys love de-regulation)

My wife manages a supermarket, she started out as a simple cashier.

People would wait for the clock to strike 12 midnight on the first and third in order to buy a pack of gum for a quarter, get 200$ back off the card, then repeat until empty. It still goes on and cashiers are fired instantly for calling out the customer.

I understand Mitts point. But there is a minority of people who need this help (help, not benefits) who are being lumped in with the food stamp queens driving Lincoln Continentals and Benzes, and the people eating Maruchan Ramen for Christmas day dinner, who want to work, but cannot find a job.

It is so easy to hurl rocks when you never lived on the other side of the fence. (yay me for combining 2 cliches)

(edit: This eat the poor rhetoric will only alienate you, but we all know money rules the roost anymore in politics, so there ain't nothing anyone can do, but revolt eventually.)

[AVGWarhawk]

What's the difference? Welfare states are alive and growing.

[Oberon]

And now a word from reality.

Since when has that ever stopped him? :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

So if you made so little as you had no choice but to feed your family Ramen noodles because you had to pay rent or a medical bill, makes you one of the freeloaders, then so be it.

I recovered, I broke my ass, but were it not for a few months of government help, to feed my family, I would have been done. I now make a fair middle class wage. I tried though, found no joy in my situation.


But you got yours, and the chances for other people to get thiers is being taken away one by one, by our corporate ass kissing government.

They are people my friend, except when it comes to prosecuting for crimes, my friend.

There are too many people who do not deserve benefits . But there is little regulation over it either.

My wife manages a supermarket, she started out as a simple cashier.

People would wait for the clock to strike 12 midnight on the first and third in order to buy a pack of gum for a quarter, get 200$ back off the card, then repeat until empty. It still goes on and you are fired instantly for calling out the customer.

I understand Mitts point. But there is a minority of people who need this help (help, not benefits) who are being lumped in with the food stamp queens driving Lincoln Continentals and Benzes, and the people eating Maruchan Ramen for Christmas day dinner, who want to work, but cannot find a job.

It is so easy to hurl rocks when you never lived on the other side of the fence.

That's the difference. You broke your ass to get self sufficient again. Many don't. They make a career of working the system. I have a few family members that are professionals at it.

[August]

When the government of my state is forced to cut revenue it always does it by laying off teachers, firemen and police. Rarely do they cut the actual fat and waste that causes the shortage in the first place. They do this because loosing those folks hurts the taxpayer the most and makes them more likely to tolerate tax increases that in the end will do a lot more to contribute to the fat and waste than get us more teachers or cops on the beat.

[mookiemookie]

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/images/Breakdown3-06-17-11.gif

So which ones here are the freeloaders? The elderly? The working poor who have jobs and pay payroll taxes but don't make enough to pay income taxes?

[soopaman2]

That's the difference. You broke your ass to get self sufficient again. Many don't. They make a career of working the system. I have a few family members that are professionals at it.

Which is why I do get Mitts point, and cannot be angry about it. But see the need as a civilized society to help people best we can.


I once heard a quote, though who said it is lost to me, and my googling turns up nothing 100% factual

"The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members."

When we send them to starvation...Then well, we are no better than Uganda, or Somalia, don't wonder why crime spikes.

[yubba]

Been a while Yubba, thought you'd lost your touch there. Been, what, at least seven days? Maybe a bit more? :hmmm:
Stupid nuke subs mod give yubba headache,. You missed yubba's speak like a pirate thread, yubba's thread headlined on the front page of subsim, still have a headache must be a tumor damn nuke subs. I think Ben Franklin once said when people vote for money we'll loose the republic. I don't want anything from the Government, but to be left alone to be able to make a living without miles of red tape, fees, and regulations that make it impossible to start a freaking lemonade stand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo

[Onkel Neal]

What is "payroll tax" and how is it different from income tax?

[Takeda Shingen]

What is "payroll tax" and how is it different from income tax?

True dat. The only real difference is that government (local, state or federal) gets your money right away, rather than having to wait for April 15th to roll around.

[AVGWarhawk]

Which is why I do get Mitts point, and cannot be angry about it. But see the need as a civilized society to help people best we can.


I once heard a quote, though who said it is lost to me, and my googling turns up nothing 100% factual

"The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members."

When we send them to starvation...Then well, we are no better than Uganda, or Somalia, don't wonder why crime spikes.

Safety nets have been created to help. These nets have become hammocks for many. The system abused. Like I said, a few family members make a living working the system. I could go on about the implications of the defunct welfare system. I won't for fear of more pie charts and bar graphs from Mookie. :O: Is welfare the true subject of Matt's comment? Was Mitt talking welfare states and people voting for the guy who has no issue redistributing the wealth?

[yubba]

You give a man a fish you feed him for a day, you give that man a fishing pole he can feed himself. So how many coal miners lost their jobs this last month and how many coal mines are close-ing, which will result in coal fire electric plants to close,, costing more jobs, and then the price of power will go up and that will cost more jobs way to go greenies.

[Herr-Berbunch]

47% of me tried to not peek into this thread, unfortunately 53% did so here I am. :-?

[Dowly]

Oh? I was 100% in favor of taking a peek. :)

[Tribesman]

You give a man a fish you feed him for a day, you give that man a fishing pool he can feed himself.
So yubba in another strange ride of wierdness now wants bigger government handouts.
How dare you take peoples land and give it to the poor who can't feed themselves.
You sound like Mugabe.

Oh? I was 100% in favor of taking a peek.
Thats because you know its a guaranteed laughter fest

[Dowly]

Thats because you know its a guaranteed laughter fest

This is true. :D

[Hottentot]

You give a man a fish you feed him for a day, you give that man a fishing pool he can feed himself.

No, no, no, it's not like that at all. You give a man a fish, and he writes to the local newspaper demanding another one and complaining the government is not supporting him enough. You teach a man to fish and he writes to the local newspaper complaining that the student benefits are not good enough in this country and the unemployed people get paid more. You give a man a fishing pool and he writes to the local newspaper complaining how the evil government has ruined his beautiful natural landscape by building a pool where there used to be a natural lake.

Whereas if you don't give a man anything at all, the nature will solve the problem for you.

[AVGWarhawk]

No, no, no, it's not like that at all. You give a man a fish, and he writes to the local newspaper demanding another one and complaining the government is not supporting him enough. You teach a man to fish and he writes to the local newspaper complaining that the student benefits are not good enough in this country and the unemployed people get paid more. You give a man a fishing pool and he writes to the local newspaper complaining how the evil government has ruined his beautiful natural landscape by building a pool where there used to be a natural lake.


Not true at all. If you give a man a pool. He will slip and fail into the pool thus spurning a lawsuit against the manufacturer for making a pool so low to the ground it poses possible bodily harm. Said man wins the suit through much courtroom drama and tears. The lawyers get 53% of the cash awarded. The man who fell into the pool takes the 47%.

[mookiemookie]

What is "payroll tax" and how is it different from income tax?

Payroll tax is withholding, Social Security, Medicare, state and local taxes. If you have enough exemptions and reductions, you can get all of your withholding refunded to you when you file your taxes. So this is how you can pay no income tax, but still pay payroll taxes.

I think it's an important distinction to make because when someone just repeats the same old "47% of people pay no income taxes!" you get the mental image of a bunch of welfare queens who don't work at all and sit at home watching the government checks roll in. If someone's part of the working poor and paying payroll taxes but owning no income tax, that's probably not the case at all.

Not true at all. If you give a man a pool. He will slip and fail into the pool thus spurning a lawsuit against the manufacturer for making a pool so low to the ground it poses possible bodily harm. Said man wins the suit through much courtroom drama and tears. The lawyers get 53% of the cash awarded. The man who fell into the pool takes the 47%.

Does that make him a 1%er? I'm running out of paper for all of these pie charts.

[AVGWarhawk]

Does that make him a 1%er? I'm running out of paper for all of these pie charts.

Ross Perot can help with the paper you need.

[AVGWarhawk]

I think it's an important distinction to make because when someone just repeats the same old "47% of people pay no income taxes!" you get the mental image of a bunch of welfare queens who don't work at all and sit at home watching the government checks roll in. If someone's part of the working poor and paying payroll taxes but owning no income tax, that's probably not the case at all.

What's the distinction? 47% don't pay taxes. They pay the tax but get it back. It is a loan with no interest accessed to the government. Your are assuming everyone gets a mental image of welfare queens. Not so. You got pie charts. :O:

[mookiemookie]

Your are assuming everyone gets a mental image of welfare queens.

That's exactly the image they're going for. Funny because the "worker/parasite" paradigm is very communistic.

[Oberon]

That's exactly the image they're going for. Funny because the "worker/parasite" paradigm is very communistic.

And the best cartoon video!

http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/thurstonmoore/default/worker-and-parasite--large-msg-12075984068.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

That's exactly the image they're going for. Funny because the "worker/parasite" paradigm is very communistic.

Yes, but assumptions can not be made that all see welfare queens. But I do agree, the implications are drawing a picture of couch potatoes.

[yubba]

Pool, pole, give me a break it was 6 am when I wrote that and I didn't have my 6 cups of coffee, to bad you don't hold the one's destroying our country so accountable, even with a pool of fish, he could start his own business like a fish farmer, and feed others, just heard Obama say he can't change washington from the inside, but from the outside I say we give him his chance, yeah hold me to my words, see there is a god.

[Tribesman]

Pool, pole, give me a break it was 6 am when I wrote that and I didn't have my 6 cups of coffee
Thats what Mugabe said when he screwed the food producers:rotfl2:
you damn commy yubba taking peoples fish pools and giving them to undeserving welfare queens, off to Cambodia with you.

[yubba]

Just heard it again on the Glen Beck show, no one is loaning the US government money so the FED is just printing it, so if this is true, tell me what is the purpose of de-value-ing the US dollar and, how this is helpful to anyone.

[mookiemookie]

Estimates of foreign purchases of long-term U.S. assets in July ranged from net buying of $20 billion to $70 billion, according to four economists surveyed by Bloomberg before the report.

China remained the biggest foreign owner of U.S. Treasuries in July after its holdings rose $2.6 billion to $1.15 trillion, according to the Treasury. Hong Kong, counted separately from China, raised its holdings of Treasuries by $700 million to $136.7 billion.

France increased its holdings of Treasuries by 32 percent to $64.8 billion, and the U.K. raised its holdings to $140.9 billion from $137.8 billion. Switzerland's holdings of Treasuries rose 10.7 percent to $190.1 billion.

International net purchases of U.S. Treasuries rose to $50 billion in July from $32.4 billion the month before.

The Treasury Department's data captures international purchases of government notes and bonds, stocks, corporate debt and securities issued by U.S. agencies.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-18/international-demand-for-u-s-assets-rises-on-europe-crisis.html

Reality 1, yubba 0

[AVGWarhawk]

Pool, pole, give me a break it was 6 am when I wrote that and I didn't have my 6 cups of coffee, to bad you don't hold the one's destroying our country so accountable, even with a pool of fish, he could start his own business like a fish farmer, and feed others, just heard Obama say he can't change washington from the inside, but from the outside I say we give him his chance, yeah hold me to my words, see there is a god.

:rotfl2: Yubba, 3 pages of nonsense over pool and pole. :haha: That's just funny.

[AVGWarhawk]

Just heard it again on the Glen Beck show, no one is loaning the US government money so the FED is just printing it, so if this is true, tell me what is the purpose of de-value-ing the US dollar and, how this is helpful to anyone.

Put the remote down. Step away from Glen Beck. Bernenke was chastised for printing more money this week. I can not answer your question but I can say printing money is a band aid that stops the bleeding for a day or so. The wound begins to bleed again after that.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/conservatives-worry-ben-bernankes-fed-action-could-re-elect-obama/

[Tribesman]

Reality 1, yubba 0
Do you expect anything else?
when it starts....Just heard it again on the Glen Beck show .....you know its going to be crazyness.

[HunterICX]

Do you expect anything else?
when it starts....Just heard it again on the Glen Beck show .....you know its going to be crazyness.

Nazis are behind it I tells ya!

HunterICX

[Oberon]

Nazis are behind it I tells ya!

HunterICX

Nonsense, it's those crazy Commu-Nazi Jew-Muslims again, with their crusihad to take down freedom, apple pie, and Fox news. :nope:

[Sailor Steve]

Just heard it again on the Glen Beck show
:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

There's your biggest problem, right in front of you.

[yubba]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-18/international-demand-for-u-s-assets-rises-on-europe-crisis.html

Reality 1, yubba 0 ooouuchh just pinched my self still out of work no paycheck to cash, to blow at the bar, no pretty women to dance with, looking to go on foodstamps myself might as well be part of the 47 percent you guys don't seem to mind flipping the dime.
The middle east is on fire, our embassies are being attacked an ambassador is murdered, and all our government can do is apologize and deny that it happened, and you know why,, it means their foreign policies have failed just like all their domestic policies have failed, anyone who is involved in this government, and anyone who supports this government, has a way more problem with reality than I do. Obama was on Letterman the other night and he couldn't admit to what the debt was, let me remind you, it is 16 trillion dollars, 44 million on food stamps + yubba. Beck on the muslim botherhood in the middle east { 1 } and counting, Obama and you guys 0 zero, zip, na da, goose egg.... so how you like the price of gas and I bet that trip to the grocery store is a real eye opener bet there is alot of zeros thank Obama.

[Takeda Shingen]

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

There's your biggest problem, right in front of you.

Dude, what are you talking about? Glenn Beck is all that stands between us and dangerous chemtrails, the stationing of foreign troops in American cities, UN-sponsored door-to-door weapons confiscation and the North American Union. His program lets me know what I should be afraid of and just how afraid I should be. Real patriots have a constant knot in their stomach and are always looking fearfully over thier shoulders.

[Tribesman]

Nonsense, it's those crazy Commu-Nazi Jew-Muslims again, with their crusihad to take down freedom, apple pie, and Fox news. :nope:
Noooooooo you can take our freedom and guns and god and the chalkboard of conspiracy but you will never take our apple pie.
It is written in the c0nstitiuation that apple pie is our natrul gad given ryght dealt from the foundering father pilgrims

[yubba]

Well, Beck is alot of fun too listen to I can understand why liberal progressives hate him he got his own network and channel on TV and Opera the liberal seacow couldn't even do that, the truth sucks don't it ????:O:, Mark Levin is the guy to listen to being a Constitutional Lawyer, also the truth sucks don't it.?? Man I wonder how many listeners they have I bet it's alot and I didn't even mention Rush maybe it's more than 47 percent,, we saw what happened in 2010,, aaawww I know you guys got to remember that....and what does this government fear more than terrorist in middle east, it fears WE THE PEOPLE, and the Tea Party,,,, I know, the truth sucks don't it.

[soopaman2]

Since we are holding the esteemed Glenn Beck words in such high regard, perhaps a word from the opposing viewpoint?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGWIMxCZp1E

If 8 minutes of comedy gold is too much for you, he absolutely dismantles Romney. He even shows you the video, which I bet Fox news never showed.

There is no way to twist those comments he made. None. Even the no spin zone couldn't spin this.

[Takeda Shingen]

Opera

The wife and I are going to see Otello in October and the '13 Ring Cycle in the new year. Going to be awesome. :up:

[yubba]

Since we are holding the esteemed Glenn Beck words in such high regard, perhaps a word from the opposing viewpoint?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGWIMxCZp1E

If 8 minutes of comedy gold is too much for you, he absolutely dismantles Romney. He even shows you the video, which I bet Fox news never showed.

There is no way to twist those comments he made. None. Even the no spin zone couldn't spin this.
Actually I hold Mark Levin in more reguard than Beck, Levin was in the Reagan whitehouse and he knows his way around the constitution,, then there's Rusty Humpheries, Shnit, and Doc Savage,,god I wonder how many listen to them too ???? I did ask a question earlier, don't make me start another thread because you know I will,, anything to make liberals squirm,,, why are they de-value-ing our currency ????????????? So again I must have mis spell a sea cows name.. try holding your government accountable as you do me,,, it was a pretty good week how many got ran out of the DOJ ?????

[soopaman2]

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/21/14015361-romney-paid-141-percent-effective-tax-rate-in-2011?lite

Damage control at its finest.

He was so defiant about it before, but we will weasel and squirm now.

He knows he is in trouble.

My condolences.
2016, you will get Chris Christie, as long as he stays the moderate Republican (not change like a chameleon, like Mc Cain did).

As Governer of my fine state, and a man who has attempted to reign in the rediculous (highest in the nation) property taxes New Jerseyans pay, despite the legislature fighting him tooth and nail. He goes on the radio, and answers questions from callers, even helps them in real time, if a major concern pops up.

But he is fat, so people mock him and call him Chrispie Creme. But he is moderate, and looking for a fair balance, and refrains from political rhetoric.

He has my vote, but this year, I plan on giving the president 4 more years to fix what Bush did.

I do not mind republicans, I just hate extremists, and I most definitely hate anyone who says he does not care about nearly half of America...

Not as my president.

[Sailor Steve]

I can understand why liberal progressives hate him
I'm not anything like a Liberal Progressive, and I don't hate him. On the other hand, I can see him for the idiot blowhard he is. He got his own show because he's loud and he appeals to a lot of people who don't know how to think for themselves. He's a walking joke.

[Takeda Shingen]

2016, you will get Chris Christie, as long as he stays the moderate Republican (not change like a chameleon, like Mc Cain did).

As Governer of my fine state, and a man who has attempted to reign in the rediculous (highest in the nation) property taxes New Jerseyans pay, despite the legislature fighting him tooth and nail. He goes on the radio, and answers questions from callers, even helps them in real time, if a major concern pops up.

But he is fat, so people mock him and call him Chrispie Creme. But he is moderate, and looking for a fair balance, and refrains from political rhetoric.

He has my vote, but this year, I plan on giving the president 4 more years to fix what Bush did.

I do not mind republicans, I just hate extremists, and I most definitely hate anyone who says he does not care about nearly half of America...

Not as my president.

I like Christie, and fully intend to vote for him should he run in 2016 or down the road.

[yubba]

Like they say the only stupid question is the one that is never asked. So there it is, so feel free too explain to yubba and our readers how destroying ones money is a good thing... As far as I get it prices on goods go way way up but wages don't,, except if you work for the government. well that was to be a new thread maybe tomorrow.

[soopaman2]

Ask?

How can you in your right mind vote for a guy who out right says he does not care about nearly half of America?

He told 150 million plus people to go fornicate with themselves. And you want him to win?

Or are you just so enclosed, that you only care for what effects you personally and not the country as a whole?

America is all of us, not just people of my ilk, and people of your ilk. Not the poor and the rich, not the left leaners, and right leaners, but "us".

[August]

Ask?

How can you in your right mind vote for a guy who out right says he does not care about nearly half of America?

He told 150 million plus people to go fornicate with themselves. And you want him to win?

Or are you just so enclosed, that you only care for what effects you personally and not the country as a whole?

America is all of us, not just people of my ilk, and people of your ilk. Not the poor and the rich, not the left leaners, and right leaners, but "us".

You seriously think Obama cares about the people that'll vote against him? Remember this is the guy who dismissed a huge percentage of our country with his "Clinging to their guns and bibles" crack. I'd think Dem outrage over Romneys remarks is more than a bit hypocritical.

[soopaman2]

Lol, Rand Paul ad at the top of the page.:)

August, I tried to be open minded, as Obama frustrates me. But I am sorry, there is no spinning this man. No way of making this video and his statements into "some misunderstanding"

I'll just be a hypocrite, but I do not want to be talked down on by anyone, much less a man appealing for my vote.

Vulture and Voucher 2012, what a ticket!

Edit: My gripe is not partisan, but he was just outright disrespectful, to see how he talks to his fat friends.

Most people make less in a year than it costs to be at that dinner. Defend that?

i guess they aint workin hard enough....

[AVGWarhawk]

You seriously think Obama cares about the people that'll vote against him? Remember this is the guy who dismissed a huge percentage of our country with his "Clinging to their guns and bibles" crack. I'd think Dem outrage over Romneys remarks is more than a bit hypocritical.

I agree. Some the demographics that make up part of the voting public was summarily dismissed by Obama's campaign. These would be the weapons clingers and bible thumpers. Campaigning in these regions was cursory at best.

[August]

Lol, Rand Paul ad at the top of the page.:)

August, I tried to be open minded, as Obama frustrates me. But I am sorry, there is no spinning this man. No way of making this video and his statements into "some misunderstanding"

I'll just be a hypocrite, but I do not want to be talked down on by anyone, much less a man appealing for my vote.

Vulture and Voucher 2012, what a ticket!

Edit: My gripe is not partisan, but he was just outright disrespectful, to see how he talks to his fat friends.

Most people make less in a year than it costs to be at that dinner. Defend that?

i guess they aint workin hard enough....

I wasn't talking about you. I don't agree with your take on Romney but have no doubt you are sincere. I just see Obamas guns and bibles comment is a far more blatant example of disrespect and since they're the ones who dug this Romney video up and are trumpeting it to the world as a sign of bad character, I see it as a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

All else being equal Romney has a proven track record for turning financial messes around with his salvage of the Salt Lake City Olympics whereas Obama does not even after 4 years on the job.

Having said that though I'd much rather see the Republicans win the Senate than the White House. Even if the Dems hold the senate and he wins reelection, Obama is a lame duck and he's not going to have much effect anyways, but with Congress split between the parties it completely paralyzes the government.

[Tribesman]

Remember this is the guy who dismissed a huge percentage of our country with his "Clinging to their guns and bibles" crack.
Same old rubbish from the same old party cheerleaders. :doh:
If you are going to attack a statement then at least attack the actual statement
Firstly he didn't dismiss them, secondly a local Republican candidate
said his comments about people who felt abandoned in the rust belt was true.
Now would anyone else would be foolish enough to claim Obamas comments were not true?
Yet Romneys comments were already warned against throughout the party movement as not only not being true, but also for managing to be attacking mainly the Republican voters in traditionaly Republican States. Take poor Yubba for example he is off on his rants yet it was him the Republican candidate was slagging off with his 47% comment.

Well, Beck is alot of fun too listen to I can understand why liberal progressives hate him he got his own network and channel on TV and Opera the liberal seacow couldn't even do that, the truth sucks don't it ????
People don't hate him, they laugh at him because he is pathetic.
Just like they laugh at your posts, it isn't because they hate you it just that they find them as they are.

[AVGWarhawk]

The clingers and bible toters were dismissed by the campaign. These folks were attempted to be reached. Eventually the strategy of the Obama campaign was not to reach these folks. It was a waste of funds. The campaign pandered to the young voter, women and major metropolitan areas where many "disenfranchised" people could be empowered with a vote. By disenfranchise I don't mean those in the rust belt.

Back to the 47%, everyone pays taxes if they work or collecting unemployment. The difference here is many on April 16th get the taxes they paid refunded. The system of taxation has many rules that allow certain individuals to get refunds. Child tax credit, gross income below a certain level or interest paid on a home loan, etc. So, besides sales tax a large number of people do not pay a federal tax or state tax. But you know, these folks are struggling enough either by choice or by situation not of their doing. But for Biden to state those that are loaded should pay more taxes because its their patriotic duty is a crock of crap. Perhaps the patriotic duty is to ask what can I do for my country and not what can my country do for me. What is being cultivated in this country are people asking what can my country do for me. Lets redistribute the wealth so everyone can have a shot. There are a plethora of programs run by government that already provide that shot. I see these programs offered to my kids still working to graduate HS. All it takes is the gumption to get ones self off the couch. Many don't. People like the path of least resistance. Lets just say Mitt was taken out of context. This seems to work for BO and the pass is given.

[Tribesman]

Lets just say Mitt was taken out of context. This seems to work for BO and the pass is given.

Romney trotted out a crap arguement, it wasn't taken out of context it was just a crap arguement, they all know its a crap line and the movers and shakers in the Republican party have been saying for a long time that it is a crap line. Just think for example how many times Tater on this forum trotted out the very same 47% nonsense as Romney did and how many times it was repeated to him that it was nonsense.
Face it Romney just talked rubbish and no lame attempt at shuffling the context can change that
You can do whatever you want with Obamas statement, but you still cannot say it isn't true can you.

[AVGWarhawk]

As many "crap" lines that come out the current administration starting at the campaigning level, all were taken out of "context" and the pass issued. Particularly by the press. It's that simple. Life in politics is taken out of context.

I did not say Obama statement is not true. I said it was a group of people he was just not going to reach. His efforts were spent targeting the young, women and those in the inner city who felt voting gets them nothing.


As far as the 47%, it's just a number. It is pointless to the discussion. The fact remains many pay Fed and state taxes via payroll taxes. Even those on unemployment that get a check from the gov only to hand back some of it. These taxes are refunded to the individual April 16th because of the tax code that allows deductions. My previous post explains. Besides sales tax, many do not pay into federal or state taxing system. I have several family members that do not pay a dime. These are the same that have learned to work the system.

[Armistead]

If I ever see Glen Beck with a bible and sword, I'm shooting him on the spot.

You know you're bad when the members of Fox News thinks you're crazy.

[Blood_splat]

Those damn lazy elderly and veterans out there need to get their crap together like yubba did to join Romney's middleclass/250,000 dollars a year.

[August]

I did not say Obama statement is not true. I said it was a group of people he was just not going to reach. His efforts were spent targeting the young, women and those in the inner city who felt voting gets them nothing.


The same exact thing Romney was getting at. Don't knock yourself out trying to reach a group you will never reach. That's why the crocodile tears shed by the Democrats over this issue ring so hollow to me.

People say there is little difference between the two parties and I agree, but in November I have to make a choice between them and all things being equal I see Romney as the only one of the two candidates who can demonstrate a history of success at financial management which is the nations main problem right now.

[AVGWarhawk]

The same exact thing Romney was getting at. Don't knock yourself out trying to reach a group you will never reach. That's why the crocodile tears shed by the Democrats over this issue ring so hollow to me.



Exactly. But the spin is Mitt just does not care about 47% of America. It plays well for this election cycle.

Other than that, America is a business and requires it to be run like a business. Community organizing does not lend itself to running a country.

[August]

Exactly. But the spin is Mitt just does not care about 47% of America. It plays well for this election cycle.

Other than that, America is a business and requires it to be run like a business. Community organizing does not lend itself to running a country.

Well it works at least until those of us who have to pay for it run out of money.

Fiscal restraint, minimizing loss, maximizing gains, streamlining. All things I want to see happen to the Federal government. Obama has shown no inclination for these things at all. Their solution is to raise taxes and continue to spend. Anyone that thinks they'll only take from the rich to do this is being foolish.

[mookiemookie]

Other than that, America is a business and requires it to be run like a business.

Nonsense. The government is not there to make a profit. The government doesn't produce a product. Our government is a representative democracy designed to meet the needs of the citizenry. A business is not. Businesses do what's best for their majority shareholders without regard to the mail clerk. That's would absolutely awful way to run a government.

If government was run like a business, there would be no such thing as military protection or infrastructure. There's no money in it. It's an expenditure.

Government is not a business and cannot be run like one.

[August]

Nonsense. The government is not there to make a profit. The government doesn't produce a product. Our government is a representative democracy designed to meet the needs of the citizenry. A business is not. Businesses do what's best for their majority shareholders without regard to the mail clerk. That's would absolutely awful way to run a government.

If government was run like a business, there would be no such thing as military protection or infrastructure. There's no money in it. It's an expenditure.

Government is not a business and cannot be run like one.

Then call it a non-profit business but it's still a business nonetheless. See my sig quote.

[AVGWarhawk]

Nonsense. The government is not there to make a profit. The government doesn't produce a product. Our government is a representative democracy designed to meet the needs of the citizenry. A business is not. Businesses do what's best for their majority shareholders without regard to the mail clerk. That's would absolutely awful way to run a government.

If government was run like a business, there would be no such thing as military protection or infrastructure. There's no money in it. It's an expenditure.

Government is not a business and cannot be run like one.

It is a business but not by the strict definition. It needs a CEO that understands how business(US) works. Needs to make the tough decisions that makes the company(US) grow. It needs a HR department that understands how people(US) function and need to be productive. Currently it is a bundle of pirates manning a rudderless ship on the voyage to nowhere. The captain is on Letterman......

[Tribesman]

The same exact thing Romney was getting at. Don't knock yourself out trying to reach a group you will never reach.
Not at all since the 47% contains more of his voters.

Exactly. But the spin is Mitt just does not care about 47% of America. It plays well for this election cycle.


Forget what some muppet tells you the "spin" is, the reality is that Mitt chose to slag off his own supporters.

[soopaman2]

R$mney forgot, or chooses to ignore, that red states suck more off the government than they put in. So most of that 47% is his demographic, lucky for him, most of them are too uneducated to realize that.

But thats not important, it is the democrats fault he said that. It's spin, its bullcrap.

I am not concerned with 47% of America.

No spin needed in that statement, pretty self explanatory.

He could have said he raped babies, and something tells me it woulda been painted as democratic spin.

I was on the fence until this. Good job Mitt.:up:

No news source helped me make up my mind, I watched the video, and made my own decision, some of us still do that.

[Tribesman]

No news source helped me make up my mind, I watched the video, and made my own decision, some of us still do that.
You could have gone to NRO and had their interpretation. They agree with what you said, though I am sure someone will try and say they are a team D spin machine

[AVGWarhawk]

R$mney forgot, or chooses to ignore, that red states suck more off the government than they put in. So most of that 47% is his demographic, lucky for him, most of them are too uneducated to realize that.

But thats not important, it is the democrats fault he said that. It's spin, its bullcrap.

I am not concerned with 47% of America.

No spin needed in that statement, pretty self explanatory.

He could have said he raped babies, and something tells me it woulda been painted as democratic spin.

I was on the fence until this. Good job Mitt.:up:

No news source helped me make up my mind, I watched the video, and made my own decision, some of us still do that.

Who said it was the democrats that made him say that? Who painted as democratic spin? I stated its good fodder for the dems. It plays well. That's the spin. Much like the clinger of guns and huggers of bibles. Good job BO. Great fodder that launched BS like Joe the Plumber. Even better fodder of a taped discussion at a college class with BO stating very clearly that he likes redistribution so everyone has a shot.

Are you still off the fence Soopa? One comment from Mitt is all it takes. Then we are safe to assume you agree with BO and everything he stands for? You don't need someone to tell you that? Are you insinuating I require a news source to make up my decision for me? After all, you made you interpretation and decisions without the help of a broadcaster.

Truth is many make up their minds without assistance from a news organization driving home their choice. I'm ecstatic you have the ability to make up your own mind without assistance. It would seem you are filing me in with those theatres a news organization to make my decision. How did you come to such a conclusion?

[mookiemookie]

The captain is on Letterman......

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/03/120329_romney_leno_ap_605.jpg

Whoops...

[August]

Whoops...

See? Romney again shows more class than Obama.

[soopaman2]

Who said it was the democrats that made him say that? Who painted as democratic spin? I stated its good fodder for the dems. It plays well. That's the spin. Much like the clinger of guns and huggers of bibles. Good job BO. Great fodder that launched BS like Joe the Plumber. Even better fodder of a taped discussion at a college class with BO stating very clearly that he likes redistribution so everyone has a shot.

Are you still off the fence Soopa? One comment from Mitt is all it takes. Then we are safe to assume you agree with BO and everything he stands for? You don't need someone to tell you that? Are you insinuating I require a news source to make up my decision for me? After all, you made you interpretation and decisions without the help of a broadcaster.

Truth is many make up their minds without assistance from a news organization driving home their choice. I'm ecstatic you have the ability to make up your own mind without assistance. It would seem you are filing me in with those theatres a news organization to make my decision. How did you come to such a conclusion?


Your condecension is stunning.

No it did not take one comment. I was unsure how destructive he would be to America, now I know. The fact he embraced lunatic birther Donald Trump was one of them, his defiance to not release his tax returns until after he went into damage control was another.

I see him as a complete corporate shill, and not ashamed to hide it. That is my view. So live and let live, your team sucks *raspberry* ;)

At least he is honest.

I was on the fence because I am frustrated with our politicians in general. BO seems more harmless to my class, the middle class. The big losers (either way) in all this.

[AVGWarhawk]

Your condecension is stunning.

No it did not take one comment. I was unsure how destructive he would be to America, now I know. The fact he embraced lunatic birther Donald Trump was one of them, his defiance to not release his tax returns until after he went into damage control was another.

I see him as a complete corporate shill, and not ashamed to hide it. That is my view. So live and let live, your team sucks *raspberry* ;)

At least he is honest.

I was on the fence because I am frustrated with our politicians in general. BO seems more harmless to my class, the middle class. The big losers (either way) in all this.


Your memory loss is even more stunning. Apparently you have forgotten who BO has embraced. You know, the lunatic Jeremiah Wright. Bill Ayers the unrepentant terrorist. Really Soopa, dandy Don does not compare.

I would prefer to see Mitt as a corporate shill that does not hide it. The cards are on the table. For the very reason we then know what we have. 2008 we got change and shivers up our legs. We got a empty suit. He got the pass on everything.

BO will go over the middle class like all the others. The reason is there is more of them with wallets than the rich and poor. It has been that way for decades. If you truly think BO is harmless to the middle class think again. The middle class are always hung out to dry. This administration is no different. Good luck if you truly believe BO is out to help you.

[AVGWarhawk]

Whoops...


Leno is far classier than Letterman could ever be. How many interns has Leno stupped? :88)

Furthermore, Mitt is not running a country as the world burns the US flag. That would BO who has turned his attention to running a campaign when his current record should run it for him. :hmmm: I guess it is best he sits with Letterman. That is sure to garner votes.

[Tribesman]

Your memory loss is even more stunning. Apparently you have forgotten who BO has embraced. You know, the lunatic Jeremiah Wright. Bill Ayers the unrepentant terrorist.
:har::har::har::har::har::har::har: